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voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.06.29 20:16:00 - [1] Edited by: voogru on 29/06/2007 20:15:42 It has come to my attention that IAC is harboring and actively protecting a group of players who are farming ISK for the purpose of sale. I contacted ôTyrrax Thorrkö who informed me that they are paying him 1 billion ISK a week for æprotectionÆ During my first mail with him, he pretty much admitted knowing that they are farmers by responding to me with: Quote: 2007.06.14 05:27 Sir, chinese sweatshops put rice on tables and roofs over heads ! Also there is nothing funnier than having people pay you a billion a week to npc in delve. The corporation that they are actively harboring is known as ôbuesrewö. I presented ôTyrrax Thorrkö with some of the effects of what this corporation could be causing, and asked for a member list of ôbuesrewö so that I could further investigate them, to which he replied ôI donÆt care.ö and left the conversation. On to the evidence I do have: My first piece of evidence, the CEO ôwuogtrehygihö has a very un-naturally high security status of 7.4. This type of security status can really only be obtained with 23/7 NPCÆing in 0.0 for months at a time, I do not think ANY legitimate player has a security status higher than this, itÆs no smoking gun, but itÆs definitely suspect. My second piece of evidence has screenshots; ISK Farmers usually launder ISK via contracts or other means. With contracts they usually put a scam and the farmer claims the scam. wuogtrehygih claimed a scam, and then continued to claim contracts from the same character paying varying amounts of ISK for the same type of item. I will start with the first one. wuogtrehygih claimed a contract from ôfiltergaö for a Named Tech 1 X-Large shield booster for the sum of 530,000,000 ISK. 2 days later, wuogtrehygih claimed another contract from ôfiltergaö for a Dread Guristas cloaking device for the price of 230,000,000 ISK. Now realistically if somebody scammed you, why would you do business with them again? Upon further investigation, I found other contracts that were claimed between the two, however now they used faction items to try to make the sale look legitimate. On December 11th 2006 ôfiltergaö sold a Gist-B Type X-Large Shield Booster to wuogtrehygih for the price of 800,000,000 ISK On December 14th 2006 ôfiltergaö sold a Gist-B Type X-Large Shield Booster to wuogtrehygih for the price of 980,000,000 ISK SIX MINUTES LATER ôfiltergaö sold a Gist-B Type X-Large Shield Booster to wuogtrehygih for the price of 900,000,000 ISK On December 18th 2006 ôfiltergaö sold a Gist-B Type X-Large Shield Booster to wuogtrehygih for the price of 720,000,000 ISK On December 23rd 2006 ôfiltergaö sold a Gist-B Type X-Large Shield Booster to wuogtrehygih for the price of 870,000,000 ISK Now the question is, why are these amounts varying so much within such a short time? And why does "wuogtrehygih" need so many faction shield boosters? Because they are laundering ISK. I suspect that they are sitting in the same station and simply trading the item back and forth with each other, it's funny yes, but they are scared of the "give money" option and somehow think contracts are safer. These are similar to those 1 trit 1 billion ISK scams you used to see on escrow before contracts was put in. filterga also did a lot of business with another character known as fireundine, and wuogtrehygih also did business with this character as contract history will provide. Now why isnÆt there anything recent? They probably learned how to use private contracts to launder ISK; this is why I was asking for a member list of the corporation so I could perform these searches on all of their members and not just the CEO. But Tyrrax Thorrk refuses to cooperate leaving me no choice but to bring it to the forums. If you want to see my evidence first hand, look up the contracts for the said characters yourself or see this.
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.06.29 20:17:00 - [2] Reserved.
Gloomrake Ono Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.29 20:18:00 - [3] Edited by: Gloomrake Ono on 29/06/2007 20:18:57 Tyrrax has already freely admitted to this....old news. Interesting about the laundering.
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.06.29 20:20:00 - [4] Originally by: Gloomrake Ono Tyrrax has already freely admitted to this....old news. Yes. I know. I'm trying to turn rumors into facts by posting some form of evidence.
James 315 Yet Another CAOD-Inspired 1-Man Alt Corp	Posted - 2007.06.29 20:20:00 - [5] Your evidence is specious at best. This is just another case of CAOD tabloid sensationalism and I doubt you will do anything to harm IAC's reputation. ----------------------------------------------- The views expressed in my posts are my own. They do not necessarily reflect the views of my corporation.
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.06.29 20:21:00 - [6] Originally by: James 315 Your evidence is specious at best. This is just another case of CAOD tabloid sensationalism and I doubt you will do anything to harm IAC's reputation. Please tell me where it's 'specious' and I will clear it up for you.
James 315 Yet Another CAOD-Inspired 1-Man Alt Corp	Posted - 2007.06.29 20:22:00 - [7] Originally by: voogru Originally by: James 315 Your evidence is specious at best. This is just another case of CAOD tabloid sensationalism and I doubt you will do anything to harm IAC's reputation. Please tell me where it's 'specious' and I will clear it up for you. The whole nine yards. The idea that a respectable alliance like IAC would be involved in such a thing is laughable. ----------------------------------------------- The views expressed in my posts are my own. They do not necessarily reflect the views of my corporation.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.06.29 20:22:00 - [8] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 29/06/2007 20:23:07 I've seen this corp's ISK farmers all over the place... they're quite blatant about it too. You'd have to be a fool to think they were legitimate players. I've always been very surprised that IAC would be dumb enough to harbor them; its not worth any amount of ISK to harbor ISK farmers. Xelas is proof of this. 23 Member EVE Video makers: save EVE-files bandwidth! Use the H.264 AutoEncoder!
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.06.29 20:25:00 - [9] Edited by: voogru on 29/06/2007 20:23:56 Originally by: James 315 Please tell me where it's 'specious' and I will clear it up for you.The whole nine yards. The idea that a respectable alliance like IAC would be involved in such a thing is laughable. Yet Another CAOD-Inspired 1-Man Alt Corp I think this is the point where I totally ignore your posts from now on.
James 315 Yet Another CAOD-Inspired 1-Man Alt Corp	Posted - 2007.06.29 20:27:00 - [10] Originally by: voogru Edited by: voogru on 29/06/2007 20:23:56 Originally by: James 315 Please tell me where it's 'specious' and I will clear it up for you.The whole nine yards. The idea that a respectable alliance like IAC would be involved in such a thing is laughable. Yet Another CAOD-Inspired 1-Man Alt Corp I think this is the point where I totally ignore your posts from now on. As if "Massive Damage" corp has built up such a reputation over the years that we should take your word over IAC's? It's pretty sad when you consider all that IAC has contributed to the Eve community and its only reward is careless slander. ----------------------------------------------- The views expressed in my posts are my own. They do not necessarily reflect the views of my corporation.
Firane 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.06.29 20:31:00 - [11] Yeah its a shame that Xelas can get so much flak and IAC gets totally overlooked for this stuff. Thats the way of Eve politics though, people only see what they want to see. -----
R2 D3 Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.06.29 20:33:00 - [12] Originally by: James 315 As if "Massive Damage" corp has built up such a reputation over the years that we should take your word over IAC's? It's pretty sad when you consider all that IAC has contributed to the Eve community and its only reward is careless slander. considering he post with his main and his main has a opux luxuary yaught it is safe to say he is no lame alt or something like that. but taking his words over iac......... so far I saw no words from iac in this thread so not much to value as more trustworthy aswell as he made this post with lots of evidence but now it is waiting for thyrax thorkk or some other high up guy in iac to reply to this.......
UGWidowmaker Caldari The Ankou The Reckoning.	Posted - 2007.06.29 20:33:00 - [13] ye ye ye and all other alliances do it too. can we move on ? farmers are all ower. stop whining about em and do something instead... either kill em or petition them. keep saying it here on eve forums starts to bore me tremendously... they help eve run around, they ruin eve WHO CARES. they are here and im sure ccp will deal with the problem IF they see it as a problem. if they dont they do nothing..... move on OMFG I am the widowmaker stay tuned.
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.06.29 20:33:00 - [14] Edited by: voogru on 29/06/2007 20:33:23 Originally by: Firane Yeah its a shame that Xelas can get so much flak and IAC gets totally overlooked for this stuff. Thats the way of Eve politics though, people only see what they want to see. I'm neutral and I do not have any bias towards one alliance or the other, so whenever I find out stuff I give the alliance leaders a chance to make things right and if they dont then I bring it out for everyone to see. Originally by: UGWidowmaker ye ye ye and all other alliances do it too. can we move on ? farmers are all ower. stop whining about em and do something instead... either kill em or petition them. keep saying it here on eve forums starts to bore me tremendously... they help eve run around, they ruin eve WHO CARES. they are here and im sure ccp will deal with the problem IF they see it as a problem. if they dont they do nothing..... move on I am doing something, IAC is stonewalling my efforts, therefore they made themselves a target.
UGWidowmaker Caldari The Ankou The Reckoning.	Posted - 2007.06.29 20:35:00 - [15] Edited by: UGWidowmaker on 29/06/2007 20:34:24 Originally by: Firane Yeah its a shame that Xelas can get so much flak and IAC gets totally overlooked for this stuff. Thats the way of Eve politics though, people only see what they want to see. bahhh that socalled isk farmer corp is now in soul of fountain.. and they roam in fountain... WHO CARES. do something about em instead of whining... petition for the win eve-o readers simnply dont care anymore. OMFG I am the widowmaker stay tuned.
James 315 Yet Another CAOD-Inspired 1-Man Alt Corp	Posted - 2007.06.29 20:35:00 - [16] Originally by: R2 D3 but now it is waiting for thyrax thorkk or some other high up guy in iac to reply to this....... Exactly. Barring a full confession from the man himself, I think we have to assume at this point--based on what we know, not on speculation--that everything is 100% aboveboard. ----------------------------------------------- The views expressed in my posts are my own. They do not necessarily reflect the views of my corporation.
Gloomrake Ono Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.29 20:38:00 - [17] Originally by: James 315 Originally by: R2 D3 but now it is waiting for thyrax thorkk or some other high up guy in iac to reply to this....... Exactly. Barring a full confession from the man himself, I think we have to assume at this point--based on what we know, not on speculation--that everything is 100% aboveboard. I refer you to the part where i tell you he has already admitted this to various people including, i think, on these forums.
Onchas Erivvia Black Eclipse Corp	Posted - 2007.06.29 20:38:00 - [18] Edited by: Onchas Erivvia on 29/06/2007 20:40:07 Originally by: James 315 As if "Massive Damage" corp has built up such a reputation over the years that we should take your word over IAC's? It's pretty sad when you consider all that IAC has contributed to the Eve community and its only reward is careless slander. Actually, I asked a couple of friends in IAC about it, expecting them to share my moral outrage over the who affair but they admitted it quite openly. At least my friends seem to think that it's a great way to get extra money for the alliance, screw over some farmers, and annoy BoB. From what they were saying, this isn't exactly a secret in IAC and people know to kill Buescues (or whatever their name is) if they are found ratting in IAC space. This is, frankly, old news, and I don't think IAC cares one bit who knows that they're doing this. ------------------------------------------ "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!"' Teh Onchinator' Personal Assistant to MrsPitman
James 315 Yet Another CAOD-Inspired 1-Man Alt Corp	Posted - 2007.06.29 20:39:00 - [19] Originally by: Gloomrake Ono Originally by: James 315 Originally by: R2 D3 but now it is waiting for thyrax thorkk or some other high up guy in iac to reply to this....... Exactly. Barring a full confession from the man himself, I think we have to assume at this point--based on what we know, not on speculation--that everything is 100% aboveboard. I refer you to the part where i tell you he has already admitted this to various people including, i think, on these forums. Link or QD. ----------------------------------------------- The views expressed in my posts are my own. They do not necessarily reflect the views of my corporation.
Farham AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.06.29 20:41:00 - [20] Just remove the ability of any ship not a cov ops or recon to cloak (IMHO as it should be) and the isk farming issue goes away pretty quick and they can't hide anymore. Intrepid Crossing Diplomat and All Around Major Idiot
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.06.29 20:42:00 - [21] Originally by: Farham Just remove the ability of any ship not a cov ops or recon to cloak (IMHO as it should be) and the isk farming issue goes away pretty quick and they can't hide anymore. Then they'll just log off... 23 Member EVE Video makers: save EVE-files bandwidth! Use the H.264 AutoEncoder!
Gloomrake Ono Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.29 20:43:00 - [22] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Originally by: Evil's Dawn Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk There's room for more chinese sweatshops in IAC !!1 Seriously tho, it was about time something entertaining happened Ummm....are you actually joking? Because the amount of IAC cloaking-farming-ss'ing Ravens killed in Delve have been plentiful to say the least in the past few days. I like chinese sweatshops, who else would pay IAC to NPC in Delve ? Xelas eviction Molle thread.
Faith Black Minmatar Rolls Roids	Posted - 2007.06.29 20:44:00 - [23] Originally by: James 315 As if "Massive Damage" corp has built up such a reputation over the years that we should take your word over IAC's? It's pretty sad when you consider all that IAC has contributed to the Eve community and its only reward is careless slander. Maybe you let IAC comment that themselves. I think that there are players in many alliances, who'd put moral aside and make such deals, if it serves them. They don't care as long as the cash rolls in. Too many did or said it already. If I count the ones I know of I'm already at 5 alliances without counting IAC )
James 315 Yet Another CAOD-Inspired 1-Man Alt Corp	Posted - 2007.06.29 20:46:00 - [24] Originally by: Gloomrake Ono Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Originally by: Evil's Dawn Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk There's room for more chinese sweatshops in IAC !!1 Seriously tho, it was about time something entertaining happened Ummm....are you actually joking? Because the amount of IAC cloaking-farming-ss'ing Ravens killed in Delve have been plentiful to say the least in the past few days. I like chinese sweatshops, who else would pay IAC to NPC in Delve ? Xelas eviction Molle thread. Hardly an official confession. Note the jocular expressions on his emoticons in those posts. ----------------------------------------------- The views expressed in my posts are my own. They do not necessarily reflect the views of my corporation.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.06.29 20:47:00 - [25] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 29/06/2007 20:46:22 Originally by: James 315 Originally by: Gloomrake Ono Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Originally by: Evil's Dawn Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk There's room for more chinese sweatshops in IAC !!1 Seriously tho, it was about time something entertaining happened Ummm....are you actually joking? Because the amount of IAC cloaking-farming-ss'ing Ravens killed in Delve have been plentiful to say the least in the past few days. I like chinese sweatshops, who else would pay IAC to NPC in Delve ? Xelas eviction Molle thread. Hardly an official confession. Note the jocular expressions on his emoticons in those posts. The exact same sort of quote was used to justify months of whining about BoB having the MSN addies of developers. But when IAC makes a comment on a similar vein, this time relating to harboring ISK sellers, its "jocular" and not a valid source of information? 23 Member EVE Video makers: save EVE-files bandwidth! Use the H.264 AutoEncoder!
voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2007.06.29 20:49:00 - [26] Edited by: voogru on 29/06/2007 20:51:30 Originally by: Faith Black Originally by: James 315 As if "Massive Damage" corp has built up such a reputation over the years that we should take your word over IAC's? It's pretty sad when you consider all that IAC has contributed to the Eve community and its only reward is careless slander. Maybe you let IAC comment that themselves. I think that there are players in many alliances, who'd put moral aside and make such deals, if it serves them. They don't care as long as the cash rolls in. Too many did or said it already. ( If I count the ones not caring about farmers as long as they profit from it, only those I know of, I'm already at 5 alliances without counting IAC ) And with all of the spam from ISK sellers, ingame, on the forums, and everywhere else, anybody who hates these people should also hate the farmers just as much. You can pretty much bet if I find another alliance harboring or protecting farmers that I'm gonna make people know about it. Everybody hates the ISK seller spam regardless of what alliance your in. By letting them farm ISK you are just giving them more ISK to sell. And unfortanatly, it's a lot easier to catch the ISK sellers & farmers than the ISK buyers, but I do what I can. Originally by: Onchas Erivvia At least my friends seem to think that it's a great way to get extra money for the alliance, screw over some farmers Problem is they are not getting screwed over. They probably farm 10+ billion ISK a week from NPC's, not hard to do with 70+ members online 23/7. 1 Billion is peanuts.
James 315 Yet Another CAOD-Inspired 1-Man Alt Corp	Posted - 2007.06.29 20:49:00 - [27] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 29/06/2007 20:46:22 Originally by: James 315 Originally by: Gloomrake Ono Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Originally by: Evil's Dawn Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk There's room for more chinese sweatshops in IAC !!1 Seriously tho, it was about time something entertaining happened Ummm....are you actually joking? Because the amount of IAC cloaking-farming-ss'ing Ravens killed in Delve have been plentiful to say the least in the past few days. I like chinese sweatshops, who else would pay IAC to NPC in Delve ? Xelas eviction Molle thread. Hardly an official confession. Note the jocular expressions on his emoticons in those posts. The exact same sort of quote was used to justify months of whining about BoB having the MSN addies of developers. But when IAC makes a comment on a similar vein, this time relating to harboring ISK sellers, its "jocular" and not a valid source of information? If you pull the quote used by BoB in the case you cite, you will not find such smileys used. And for the smileys which are in use, you will find that their expressions are not jocular. ----------------------------------------------- The views expressed in my posts are my own. They do not necessarily reflect the views of my corporation.
Iva Soreass FireStar Inc	Posted - 2007.06.29 20:52:00 - [28] I was violated by BackDoor Bandit :*(
Ace Frehley Minmatar Trinity Nova KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.29 20:58:00 - [29] I personally think it is hilarius that the pay IAC to rat in Delve/fountain I mean, I think of us must be yellous on mr IAC leader for that deal, get isk from farmers that dont even farm in your own space, but instaed in ya worst enemys. Can¦t stop laugh ..... _______________________________________________ Beer, Eve and no shaved babes!!!
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.06.29 21:01:00 - [30] Originally by: Ace Frehley I personally think it is hilarius that the pay IAC to rat in Delve/fountain I mean, I think of us must be yellous on mr IAC leader for that deal, get isk from farmers that dont even farm in your own space, but instaed in ya worst enemys. Can¦t stop laugh ..... They probably pay the money in order to look more legitimate... 23 Member EVE Video makers: save EVE-files bandwidth! Use the H.264 AutoEncoder!

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