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Valei Khurelem
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Posted - 2012.01.07 01:21:00 -
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Now, anyone calling me a noob in this situation can kindly gtfo because I was up against from first glance what appeared to be a tech 2 Broadsword and I was in a Tech 1 Thrasher, there was absolutely no way I could win in that situation. So I made a combat alt. purely to try dabbling in a bit of 0.0 PvE and run around getting killed, I knew I was going to get killed so I gave my alt. 10 mil and the most basic equipment for mission running, I even put the alt. in the nearest high sec system to the agent I was aiming for.
I headed off to try and do some Angel Cartel missions because when playing freelancer I loved the idea of being a pirate and taking on jobs that don't fall into the 'I'm the hero trying to save everyone' category ( jumpholes and finding the various faction bases are very fun, I recommend playing it ) so I get to I think it was the third to last system on my route.
I had noticed that as I went through about three people mysteriously disappeared from local so that probably meant they were tracking who were coming in and out. So I went bugger it and tried suicide running in the hopes that I could sneak past them, I got to the next system low and behold there was a Broadsword waiting for me, I knew I was trapped, the guy had his warp scrambler on me before I could even attempt to run away ( Seriously, what kind of game gives people OP weaponry and then doesn't allow the 'lesser' players to even run? ) I tried charging him and got only one shot off against the guy which obviously did barely any damage so I'm not even allowed to die honourably in this situation and take his ship with me. Not even giving me the chance to flee back to the high sec carebear space from where I came from he took out my pod and thanks to my precautions and insurance measures ( forgot to mention that earlier ) I ended up back in high security with some of my cash back.
Now my experience, I suspect, is pretty much similar to anyone in high sec that has a brain and for the ones that don't it was much worse as they'd have ended up 20+ jumps away from where they started off and would have lost a much larger amount of cash. This was only one player too, I've had experiences on suicide runs to 0.0 where I've run into entire fleets who are quite literally camping a gate a 3:00am GMT, granted this is a game where all sorts of people join in and I love that idea, but this just shows you how almost pathetically gankers are hunting down the carebears almost to extinction and they only exist anymore because of the high sec nature reserve.
PvP is pretty much dead folks and even though it's partially CCP's fault for being unable to create a balanced game where anyone can have a fighting chance, it's the PvPers and gankers that killed 0.0 space by themselves. The only way I could be comfortable PvPing in this game anymore is with 1000 fleet members at my back ( even then I'd still probably lose if they were all tech 1 ships ) or with a system much like Counter-Strike source, where I won't be punished for choosing the pistol and going up against an AWP. With the situation I was in, it was like CCP had given the other player who had got a bit more game time than me a nuke ( without any repercussions ) and I was having to use just a knife, sure, I managed to get a scratch on him but in the end I was going to die anyway, I couldn't even take him with me.
So ends my rant for the day :) hope CCP learns something from my experience, I'd get you a youtube clip but it quite literally happened in less than a minute and I know I'd get trolled by people who think they know how a game works better than me. Just so you know, nerfing high sec and the amount of ISK you can earn there will completely kill this game, there would be no carebears to brave 0.0 and the PvP loving bunch would have no one to gank on unfair terms.
TLDR: I came, I saw, I got ganked, I got vindicated
p.s. I think I'll still aim for a high sec PoS perhaps, it sounds like fun |
Dradius Calvantia
Creative Cookie Procuring
Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2012.01.07 01:25:00 -
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EVE is not for you |
Kha'Vorn
Kha'Toum
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Posted - 2012.01.07 01:25:00 -
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Kicking back with some popcorn, just waiting for the inevitable... |
Valei Khurelem
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Posted - 2012.01.07 01:27:00 -
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Kha'Vorn wrote:Kicking back with some popcorn, just waiting for the inevitable...
So am I lol but what do you think it does for the game if people go on being in denial about the glaring problems with it? :P
inb4 no one properly reads my wall of text |
Radelix Cisko
The Adjustment Team
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Posted - 2012.01.07 01:33:00 -
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Thats bad luck friend. You should give it another go. You are going to run into blobs and far larger ships than what you have. But that is part of the game is knowing how to pick your fights. Do recon, listen to local, ask in local. This game rewards intelligence and forethought and that is how I and others here like it.
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Valei Khurelem
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Posted - 2012.01.07 01:34:00 -
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It really doesn't, but thanks for the advice and opinion. |
Rellik B00n
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2012.01.07 01:35:00 -
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poop on teh floor is a 50 euro fine
my war dec solution |
Jason McCoy
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.07 01:36:00 -
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wow blame ccp for your stupidity
another one, jeeze its friday night, and im stuck at work. Someone get me a double rum and coke plz. |
Valei Khurelem
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Posted - 2012.01.07 01:37:00 -
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Jason McCoy wrote:wow blame ccp for your stupidity
another one, jeeze its friday night, and im stuck at work. Someone get me a double rum and coke plz.
Okay then, how do you beat a tech 2 broadsword with a tech 1 destroyer? |
yarona
Tri-gun
Psychotic Tendencies.
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Posted - 2012.01.07 01:38:00 -
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Yeah... Thats what its like on the edge systems. Those closest to Hisec Entrances to low/null... TBH pvp isn't dead. You just don't know how/where to look for it. |
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Jason McCoy
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.07 01:41:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Jason McCoy wrote:wow blame ccp for your stupidity
another one, jeeze its friday night, and im stuck at work. Someone get me a double rum and coke plz. Okay then, how do you beat a tech 2 broadsword with a tech 1 destroyer? You dont. A broadsword is a tech 2 ship so there is no need to state the obvious, this only shows your noobness.
Lots of people everyday are leaving for 0.0 it being a roam, exploration or to live.
Your encounter does not have anything to do with the current moving to 0.0 situation. Stop generalizing, just shows your noobness.
Pick your fights, like someone else said this game rewards on good intel. Use it.
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Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2012.01.07 01:41:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Jason McCoy wrote:wow blame ccp for your stupidity
another one, jeeze its friday night, and im stuck at work. Someone get me a double rum and coke plz. Okay then, how do you beat a tech 2 broadsword with a tech 1 destroyer?
You don't.
"Balanced" doesn't mean everyone is equal. Balanced means everything has a counter. That person was using a counter to your ship. |
Valei Khurelem
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Posted - 2012.01.07 01:42:00 -
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Oh boy :D |
met worst
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.07 01:44:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:
So I went bugger it and tried suicide running..................I ended up back in high security with some of my cash back.
You got what you were asking for and that's a problem. How?
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Jason McCoy
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.07 01:45:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Oh boy :D
oh nelly!
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Valei Khurelem
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Posted - 2012.01.07 01:46:00 -
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I was trying to get to a 0.0 agent that I wanted to do missions for, feel free to tell me an ideal way that doesn't involve millions of ISK loss? |
Famble
Three's a Crowd
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Posted - 2012.01.07 01:47:00 -
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You need to be corp'd and blue'd to participate in null in any meaningful way (read at all). Part of me doesn't like that but the logical part says that checks out. There should be rewards for those whom organize. It's just too bad that their playground is ALL of null. /shrug
I just stick to highsec.
If anyone ever looks at you and says, "Hold my beer, watch this,"-á you're probably going to want to pay attention. |
Messoroz
AQUILA INC
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Posted - 2012.01.07 01:48:00 -
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1. It's a ******* thrasher, you should be far faster than a single broadsword
2. If you travel in 0.0 without a burner of some kind, YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG
3. Most frigs and sometimes destroyers can easily just burn back to gate and jump back out of the gate they spawned on when running into camps, this is a valid tactic assuming the campers shoot at you and aggress themselves meaning they can't jump for a minute. This also assumes you weren't stupid enough to shoot as well. |
Rory Orlenard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.07 01:49:00 -
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Yes , we need CCP to take "The Lowest Common Denominator" approach to all gameplay - mimick the real world, no one gets blown up or offended and CCP should give us free Isk. |
Valei Khurelem
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Posted - 2012.01.07 01:50:00 -
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Messoroz wrote:1. It's a fudging thrasher, you should be far faster than a single broadsword
2. If you travel in 0.0 without a burner of some kind, YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG
3. Most frigs and sometimes destroyers can easily just burn back to gate and jump back out of the gate they spawned on when running into camps, this is a valid tactic assuming the campers shoot at you and aggress themselves meaning they can't jump for a minute. This also assumes you weren't stupid enough to shoot as well. AND it assumes you are properly fit.
I'm done being polite now, learn to read ;)
Quote:I tried charging him and got only one shot off against the guy which obviously did barely any damage |
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Jason McCoy
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.07 01:52:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:I'm done being polite now, learn to read ;)
Ironically
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Messoroz
AQUILA INC
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Posted - 2012.01.07 01:53:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Messoroz wrote:1. It's a fudging thrasher, you should be far faster than a single broadsword
2. If you travel in 0.0 without a burner of some kind, YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG
3. Most frigs and sometimes destroyers can easily just burn back to gate and jump back out of the gate they spawned on when running into camps, this is a valid tactic assuming the campers shoot at you and aggress themselves meaning they can't jump for a minute. This also assumes you weren't stupid enough to shoot as well. AND it assumes you are properly fit. I'm done being polite now, learn to read ;)
I don't quite understand what I am supposed to read besides your inability to get away from a single broadsword whose bubbles don't prevent MWD activation while IN A THRASHER which should be significantly more capable of running away.
If the ship camping the gate was a Sabre instead of a Broadsword, then things would be significantly less your fault. |
Ashterothi
Aideron Robotics
Darkmatter Initiative
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Posted - 2012.01.07 01:54:00 -
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So a few things:
1) You did not have to go into dangerous space without a scout or much of a defense. You knew the risk, you chose to do it. The enemy just represented a manifestation of that risk. (BTW I am in no way advocating not taking risks, that's silly)
2) You did not have to engage in a fight you could not win, the Gate is 12 km and you are in a (hopefully) fast ship seeing that its a destroyer, time to book it out of there. Remember you have the cloak, you have some advantage because of that.
3) You state that PvP is dead, but your description shows how it is very much alive. One thing to remember, in Counterstrike you play for points, if you loose, try again, if you win, good for you. In EvE that victory matters, many pirates camp for money as much for enjoyment.
4) When presented with an obstacle you can choose to tackle it (find a way to win and thrive in low/null sec), avoid it (stay in high sec), or concede to it (quit the game that otherwise could be fun for you)
You will get no where in EvE by attempting to convince others that they should play YOUR game (unless your name is the Mittani apparently :P). You only will be victorious by learning your enemy, adapting, and overcoming. |
Valei Khurelem
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Posted - 2012.01.07 01:56:00 -
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I guess I have a billion ISK to grind then so I can afford some mercenaries. |
met worst
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.07 01:58:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Messoroz wrote:1. It's a fudging thrasher, you should be far faster than a single broadsword
2. If you travel in 0.0 without a burner of some kind, YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG
I'm done being polite now, learn to read ;) Quote:I tried charging him and got only one shot off against the guy which obviously did barely any damage
I undlerlined the important bits. 
EDIT: JIC you are new - charging is as good as saying "hit me". Reduce transversal by orbiting as a start. Also (or) AB allows you to GTFO (or close range) even when webbed/warped. |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2012.01.07 01:58:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:I was trying to get to a 0.0 agent that I wanted to do missions for, feel free to tell me an ideal way that doesn't involve millions of ISK loss?
1) Fly there in a shuttle and an empty clone right before or right after downtime. If the locals are active at a particular timezone, fly in their off time.
2) Fly a covops frigate with a covops cloak.
3) Covops nullified TIII cruiser.
4) Get a friend or an alt to scout the route for you.
5) Join a corporation and fight your way in. |
Jason McCoy
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.07 02:00:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:I guess I have a billion ISK to grind then so I can afford some mercenaries. What the fawk are you on? seriously first you flap your fingers talking stupidly about people arent going to 0.0
Then you say pvp is dead.
Then you ask how to engage a broadsword with a destroyer - major lolz
Then you ask this?
WTF are you on? Get away from the keyboard and play the game. FFS!
You must have stupid specialization to lvl 5 for that extra 50% to stupid forum postings.
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Valei Khurelem
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Posted - 2012.01.07 02:01:00 -
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Oh look, PvPer tears :D
p.s. Windowed mode ftw |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.01.07 02:03:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Oh look, PvPer tears :D
Just to sum up, your post was pretty much "wah I lost a ship." Glass houses and all, just sayin'.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/39006524/DumbHiseccers.jpg |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.01.07 02:05:00 -
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I don't see the problem here.
You made a string of bad choices, which ended up in you getting yourself killed, and somehow, this is the game's fault? 
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
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