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Valei Khurelem
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Posted - 2012.01.07 01:21:00 -
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Now, anyone calling me a noob in this situation can kindly gtfo because I was up against from first glance what appeared to be a tech 2 Broadsword and I was in a Tech 1 Thrasher, there was absolutely no way I could win in that situation. So I made a combat alt. purely to try dabbling in a bit of 0.0 PvE and run around getting killed, I knew I was going to get killed so I gave my alt. 10 mil and the most basic equipment for mission running, I even put the alt. in the nearest high sec system to the agent I was aiming for.
I headed off to try and do some Angel Cartel missions because when playing freelancer I loved the idea of being a pirate and taking on jobs that don't fall into the 'I'm the hero trying to save everyone' category ( jumpholes and finding the various faction bases are very fun, I recommend playing it ) so I get to I think it was the third to last system on my route.
I had noticed that as I went through about three people mysteriously disappeared from local so that probably meant they were tracking who were coming in and out. So I went bugger it and tried suicide running in the hopes that I could sneak past them, I got to the next system low and behold there was a Broadsword waiting for me, I knew I was trapped, the guy had his warp scrambler on me before I could even attempt to run away ( Seriously, what kind of game gives people OP weaponry and then doesn't allow the 'lesser' players to even run? ) I tried charging him and got only one shot off against the guy which obviously did barely any damage so I'm not even allowed to die honourably in this situation and take his ship with me. Not even giving me the chance to flee back to the high sec carebear space from where I came from he took out my pod and thanks to my precautions and insurance measures ( forgot to mention that earlier ) I ended up back in high security with some of my cash back.
Now my experience, I suspect, is pretty much similar to anyone in high sec that has a brain and for the ones that don't it was much worse as they'd have ended up 20+ jumps away from where they started off and would have lost a much larger amount of cash. This was only one player too, I've had experiences on suicide runs to 0.0 where I've run into entire fleets who are quite literally camping a gate a 3:00am GMT, granted this is a game where all sorts of people join in and I love that idea, but this just shows you how almost pathetically gankers are hunting down the carebears almost to extinction and they only exist anymore because of the high sec nature reserve.
PvP is pretty much dead folks and even though it's partially CCP's fault for being unable to create a balanced game where anyone can have a fighting chance, it's the PvPers and gankers that killed 0.0 space by themselves. The only way I could be comfortable PvPing in this game anymore is with 1000 fleet members at my back ( even then I'd still probably lose if they were all tech 1 ships ) or with a system much like Counter-Strike source, where I won't be punished for choosing the pistol and going up against an AWP. With the situation I was in, it was like CCP had given the other player who had got a bit more game time than me a nuke ( without any repercussions ) and I was having to use just a knife, sure, I managed to get a scratch on him but in the end I was going to die anyway, I couldn't even take him with me.
So ends my rant for the day :) hope CCP learns something from my experience, I'd get you a youtube clip but it quite literally happened in less than a minute and I know I'd get trolled by people who think they know how a game works better than me. Just so you know, nerfing high sec and the amount of ISK you can earn there will completely kill this game, there would be no carebears to brave 0.0 and the PvP loving bunch would have no one to gank on unfair terms.
TLDR: I came, I saw, I got ganked, I got vindicated
p.s. I think I'll still aim for a high sec PoS perhaps, it sounds like fun |
Dradius Calvantia
Creative Cookie Procuring Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2012.01.07 01:25:00 -
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EVE is not for you |
Kha'Vorn
Kha'Toum
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Posted - 2012.01.07 01:25:00 -
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Kicking back with some popcorn, just waiting for the inevitable... |
Valei Khurelem
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Posted - 2012.01.07 01:27:00 -
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Kha'Vorn wrote:Kicking back with some popcorn, just waiting for the inevitable...
So am I lol but what do you think it does for the game if people go on being in denial about the glaring problems with it? :P
inb4 no one properly reads my wall of text |
Radelix Cisko
The Adjustment Team
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Posted - 2012.01.07 01:33:00 -
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Thats bad luck friend. You should give it another go. You are going to run into blobs and far larger ships than what you have. But that is part of the game is knowing how to pick your fights. Do recon, listen to local, ask in local. This game rewards intelligence and forethought and that is how I and others here like it.
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Valei Khurelem
114
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Posted - 2012.01.07 01:34:00 -
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It really doesn't, but thanks for the advice and opinion. |
Rellik B00n
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2012.01.07 01:35:00 -
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poop on teh floor is a 50 euro fine my war dec solution |
Jason McCoy
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.07 01:36:00 -
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wow blame ccp for your stupidity
another one, jeeze its friday night, and im stuck at work. Someone get me a double rum and coke plz. |
Valei Khurelem
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Posted - 2012.01.07 01:37:00 -
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Jason McCoy wrote:wow blame ccp for your stupidity
another one, jeeze its friday night, and im stuck at work. Someone get me a double rum and coke plz.
Okay then, how do you beat a tech 2 broadsword with a tech 1 destroyer? |
yarona
Tri-gun Psychotic Tendencies.
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Posted - 2012.01.07 01:38:00 -
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Yeah... Thats what its like on the edge systems. Those closest to Hisec Entrances to low/null... TBH pvp isn't dead. You just don't know how/where to look for it. |
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Jason McCoy
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2012.01.07 01:41:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Jason McCoy wrote:wow blame ccp for your stupidity
another one, jeeze its friday night, and im stuck at work. Someone get me a double rum and coke plz. Okay then, how do you beat a tech 2 broadsword with a tech 1 destroyer? You dont. A broadsword is a tech 2 ship so there is no need to state the obvious, this only shows your noobness.
Lots of people everyday are leaving for 0.0 it being a roam, exploration or to live.
Your encounter does not have anything to do with the current moving to 0.0 situation. Stop generalizing, just shows your noobness.
Pick your fights, like someone else said this game rewards on good intel. Use it.
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Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
286
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Posted - 2012.01.07 01:41:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Jason McCoy wrote:wow blame ccp for your stupidity
another one, jeeze its friday night, and im stuck at work. Someone get me a double rum and coke plz. Okay then, how do you beat a tech 2 broadsword with a tech 1 destroyer?
You don't.
"Balanced" doesn't mean everyone is equal. Balanced means everything has a counter. That person was using a counter to your ship. |
Valei Khurelem
114
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Posted - 2012.01.07 01:42:00 -
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Oh boy :D |
met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.07 01:44:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote: So I went bugger it and tried suicide running..................I ended up back in high security with some of my cash back.
You got what you were asking for and that's a problem. How?
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Jason McCoy
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2012.01.07 01:45:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Oh boy :D oh nelly!
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Valei Khurelem
114
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Posted - 2012.01.07 01:46:00 -
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I was trying to get to a 0.0 agent that I wanted to do missions for, feel free to tell me an ideal way that doesn't involve millions of ISK loss? |
Famble
Three's a Crowd
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Posted - 2012.01.07 01:47:00 -
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You need to be corp'd and blue'd to participate in null in any meaningful way (read at all). Part of me doesn't like that but the logical part says that checks out. There should be rewards for those whom organize. It's just too bad that their playground is ALL of null. /shrug
I just stick to highsec.
If anyone ever looks at you and says, "Hold my beer, watch this,"-á you're probably going to want to pay attention. |
Messoroz
AQUILA INC
129
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Posted - 2012.01.07 01:48:00 -
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1. It's a ******* thrasher, you should be far faster than a single broadsword 2. If you travel in 0.0 without a burner of some kind, YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG 3. Most frigs and sometimes destroyers can easily just burn back to gate and jump back out of the gate they spawned on when running into camps, this is a valid tactic assuming the campers shoot at you and aggress themselves meaning they can't jump for a minute. This also assumes you weren't stupid enough to shoot as well. |
Rory Orlenard
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.07 01:49:00 -
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Yes , we need CCP to take "The Lowest Common Denominator" approach to all gameplay - mimick the real world, no one gets blown up or offended and CCP should give us free Isk. |
Valei Khurelem
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Posted - 2012.01.07 01:50:00 -
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Messoroz wrote:1. It's a fudging thrasher, you should be far faster than a single broadsword 2. If you travel in 0.0 without a burner of some kind, YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG 3. Most frigs and sometimes destroyers can easily just burn back to gate and jump back out of the gate they spawned on when running into camps, this is a valid tactic assuming the campers shoot at you and aggress themselves meaning they can't jump for a minute. This also assumes you weren't stupid enough to shoot as well. AND it assumes you are properly fit.
I'm done being polite now, learn to read ;)
Quote:I tried charging him and got only one shot off against the guy which obviously did barely any damage |
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Jason McCoy
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2012.01.07 01:52:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:I'm done being polite now, learn to read ;) Ironically
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Messoroz
AQUILA INC
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Posted - 2012.01.07 01:53:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Messoroz wrote:1. It's a fudging thrasher, you should be far faster than a single broadsword 2. If you travel in 0.0 without a burner of some kind, YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG 3. Most frigs and sometimes destroyers can easily just burn back to gate and jump back out of the gate they spawned on when running into camps, this is a valid tactic assuming the campers shoot at you and aggress themselves meaning they can't jump for a minute. This also assumes you weren't stupid enough to shoot as well. AND it assumes you are properly fit. I'm done being polite now, learn to read ;)
I don't quite understand what I am supposed to read besides your inability to get away from a single broadsword whose bubbles don't prevent MWD activation while IN A THRASHER which should be significantly more capable of running away.
If the ship camping the gate was a Sabre instead of a Broadsword, then things would be significantly less your fault. |
Ashterothi
Aideron Robotics Darkmatter Initiative
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Posted - 2012.01.07 01:54:00 -
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So a few things:
1) You did not have to go into dangerous space without a scout or much of a defense. You knew the risk, you chose to do it. The enemy just represented a manifestation of that risk. (BTW I am in no way advocating not taking risks, that's silly)
2) You did not have to engage in a fight you could not win, the Gate is 12 km and you are in a (hopefully) fast ship seeing that its a destroyer, time to book it out of there. Remember you have the cloak, you have some advantage because of that.
3) You state that PvP is dead, but your description shows how it is very much alive. One thing to remember, in Counterstrike you play for points, if you loose, try again, if you win, good for you. In EvE that victory matters, many pirates camp for money as much for enjoyment.
4) When presented with an obstacle you can choose to tackle it (find a way to win and thrive in low/null sec), avoid it (stay in high sec), or concede to it (quit the game that otherwise could be fun for you)
You will get no where in EvE by attempting to convince others that they should play YOUR game (unless your name is the Mittani apparently :P). You only will be victorious by learning your enemy, adapting, and overcoming. |
Valei Khurelem
114
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Posted - 2012.01.07 01:56:00 -
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I guess I have a billion ISK to grind then so I can afford some mercenaries. |
met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.07 01:58:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Messoroz wrote:1. It's a fudging thrasher, you should be far faster than a single broadsword 2. If you travel in 0.0 without a burner of some kind, YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG
I'm done being polite now, learn to read ;) Quote:I tried charging him and got only one shot off against the guy which obviously did barely any damage I undlerlined the important bits.
EDIT: JIC you are new - charging is as good as saying "hit me". Reduce transversal by orbiting as a start. Also (or) AB allows you to GTFO (or close range) even when webbed/warped. |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
286
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Posted - 2012.01.07 01:58:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:I was trying to get to a 0.0 agent that I wanted to do missions for, feel free to tell me an ideal way that doesn't involve millions of ISK loss?
1) Fly there in a shuttle and an empty clone right before or right after downtime. If the locals are active at a particular timezone, fly in their off time.
2) Fly a covops frigate with a covops cloak.
3) Covops nullified TIII cruiser.
4) Get a friend or an alt to scout the route for you.
5) Join a corporation and fight your way in. |
Jason McCoy
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2012.01.07 02:00:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:I guess I have a billion ISK to grind then so I can afford some mercenaries. What the fawk are you on? seriously first you flap your fingers talking stupidly about people arent going to 0.0 Then you say pvp is dead. Then you ask how to engage a broadsword with a destroyer - major lolz Then you ask this?
WTF are you on? Get away from the keyboard and play the game. FFS!
You must have stupid specialization to lvl 5 for that extra 50% to stupid forum postings.
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Valei Khurelem
114
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Posted - 2012.01.07 02:01:00 -
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Oh look, PvPer tears :D
p.s. Windowed mode ftw |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.01.07 02:03:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Oh look, PvPer tears :D
Just to sum up, your post was pretty much "wah I lost a ship." Glass houses and all, just sayin'. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/39006524/DumbHiseccers.jpg |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4292
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Posted - 2012.01.07 02:05:00 -
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I don't see the problem here.
You made a string of bad choices, which ended up in you getting yourself killed, and somehow, this is the game's fault? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
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Valei Khurelem
114
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Posted - 2012.01.07 02:05:00 -
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Why is it wah I lost the ship? I was just writing my experience of 0.0 down and a rant.
I'm still playing, but by my rules, live with it. |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
172
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Posted - 2012.01.07 02:08:00 -
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Luckily your rules don't involve 0.0 anymore. This is probably for the best. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/39006524/DumbHiseccers.jpg |
Valei Khurelem
114
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Posted - 2012.01.07 02:09:00 -
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Yep :P |
Mirima Thurander
Sarajevo Syndicate True Reign
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Posted - 2012.01.07 02:33:00 -
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you do know after you get past the great wall of ganker that are the entrance to null, most of null is devoid of life besides the bots ever now and then.
let me give youa run down on PVP in eve
if your solo all your going to see are groups of 3 or more people
if there's 3 of you all your going to see are groups of 6 or more
6 people groups of 15 or more
20 of you 50 to 70 man blobs
100 of you eather a 500 man blob or no one
THAT is eve pvp, there's no even in eve, there's the ganker and loser or the bigger blob I love the the smell of victory in the morning. It smells like... Blood, vomit and burning flesh. I Like You. I'll Kill You Last. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
497
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Posted - 2012.01.07 02:40:00 -
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Your mistakes.
1) you did not have a prop mod (WMD best for small ship null roams).
or
2) you had a prop mod and didn't run back to the gate (which should only take a few seconds), and instead tried fighting.
Really, I've only lost one ship in null and thats because I was stupid and warped into a bubble... lost my pod too, but that was because of the session timer after your ship pops... |
Cyprus Black
Tears of Redemption NEM3SIS.
119
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Posted - 2012.01.07 02:45:00 -
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@ OP
The lesson you learned: -none
The lesson you should have learned: -EvE is not intended to be a single player game. -It's extremely rare for a solo player to win against superior numbers and superior ships. -Flying with friends greatly increases your chances of victory.
You really missed the last point. Learn the word Synergy. It's defined as two or more things functioning together to produce a result not independently obtainable, or in this case players working together towards a mutual goal. Ever hear the phrase "The whole is greater than the sum of its parts"? It's not just an annoying saying. It actually means something. Like my post? Made you laugh or think? Maybe even offended or nausiated you? Then give a Like. They're free and oh so easy to give. |
Gloomy Gus
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
41
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Posted - 2012.01.07 02:53:00 -
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Poor guy noone ever goes to 0.0 anymore because you lost to overwhelming numbers and equipment and you attempted ****-poor strategy.
CCP please nerf common sense so those that don't have it can survive against those who bothered to study up first. Mr. Original Poster shouldn't have to know anything about this game to win this is why nullsec is empty fix your game thnx
Actually pretty clever of you harvesting those PvPer tears by dying and whining about it you showed everybody |
Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
301
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Posted - 2012.01.07 02:53:00 -
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Despite your strange rant/auto troll /defiant fist at the uncaring universe just to prove its uncaring/wallotexty/Kung-Pow self defeating style/allegory in a vacuum/one lined sideburn/trollbait post, I think that perhaps, just perhaps, you could try joining Faction Warfare.
Like you I totally hate 0.0 (nice friends living there, but thats something else you know who you are "waves") so I decided I would try something simpler and what many people consider pvp-lite in that it's usually less convoluted than 0.0
In FW you can pretty much do basic pvp chores like roaming/gatecamping and mission running for lp rewards in a low sec set of systems where you usually see a lot of action. I bought a bunch of t1 frigates and a bunch of the same setup about 10 times for less than 5 million isk and with my disposable ships and jump clone without implants decided to roam a bit.
After doing a mission and getting blown up by an "evil pirate" I joined up a friendly gang of people camping gates. After a kill and some close encounters where people managed to flee from our incredible might of awesomelolness T1 frigs and a t2 one a couple of guys pwned us in cruisers.
And this was in just one day. It was good, entertaining and totally fun.
If you begin to see eve as a series of ships worth 234 mill isk and the balance to "win" is always add up isk to your wallet no matter what and you are just starting, then friend, honestly you doing it wrong.
Buy a bunch of ships and if you see targets you dont feel you can't quite kill RUN, everybody does it. Scout ahead or like me just jump for the lulz into the next low sec system and say hi to everybody .
You will die, a LOT (so buy tons of t1 frigs) ... if you want to fight using t3 ships, pimped faction battleships and expect to win everytime I don't know, there's something wrong there.
I understand your feeling of running pirate missions for rp purposes or to represent how you see yourself in the game world, problem is , in all those games you had to grind faction for them and sometimes spawns of the faction ships attacked you. Unlike a single player mode, to earn the faction to work in the area you have to talk to others and the ships spawning to kill you are piloted by real people willing to kill you if you not blue or don't belong to their club.
If you want single player experiences in a MMO, please, kindly go play SWTOR, I have heard its awesome in doing that, you can like have red lightsabers and shoot lightning bolts of evil dark side electricity at all the bad people that don't understand you.
Problem is not eve, problem is the player's attitudes, and to be more concise how the majority of a consensus clashes with certain player's idea of how to play a game.
Hi Sec is populated to hell because it's profitable, unless you do something really wrong you grind up XP ... err ISK and it always goes up, and you keep buying ships and cool faction mods that make you have a sense of purple lootism and advancement,and you can grind L4's with a clock timing next to you and generate great isk/hour ratios and ponder the best EFT graph parsing the most theoretically efficient way to kill DRONES endlessly over and over for LP and moar ISK, or you mine over and over and see the little can fill up with tasty ores and you do it over and over again for hours as you watch **** or the last rerun of whatever show/movie you happen to like in TV.
I totally understand your frustration if it's real, you are accustomed to playing games a CERTAIN way where you are the Dovahkiin of Legend and you kill dragons by FOS RUH DA'ing them over edges and you have 100 in all skills and you are oh so special and no matter what you do endless hordes of npcs will say you are so awesome and oyu can marry them and they will love you in pxelated polygon love for ever as the world is loaded in your ram , but then you come into eve and right away take an arrow in the knee and you realize you are just another guy in a weird sandlot full of cat crap, bullies, midgets, and the center is full of nice people only because there's a sandguardian, but the edges have all manners of weirdos and wig wearing transvestites.
So Hi Sec is the most close thing to an experience like that where you are somewhat safe, you can mine, mission run and hate people for wanting to violence you ship when all you want is do missions for a pirate faction known for extorsion, murder, racketeering and profiteering and the only thing between you and them is a bunch of people that came into a zone and said "THIS CRAP IS MINE" and don't let you pass through it because they can't understand they are killing pvp and eve is wrong so wrong, perhaps because they use transvestite wigs and high heels, who knows?
So yes, eve is wrong.
No
EVE just is. The only strange thing here is the wig wearing transvestites at the edge of the sandlot that is peed and po'od upon and you want to go there and be free and roam carelessly in the winds. But that's how it is. It's an utter monstrosity of a hodgepodge of people that created an artificial set of rules and yes, those rules sometimes totally suck but that's how things are.
But if EVE removed the Sandguardian Police at the center of the lot everyone would leave and eve would die, because all the midgets and weirdos would love to just grief the others, and not for being great or normal, simply because they are midgets and wig wearing transvestites that just want to dance instead of paying the bills to the pimps that live at the edges of the sandlot.
So stop pretending you are not a wig wearing trans or a midget or a weirdo, we all are here in the sandlot, the thing just boils down to the issue of you wanting to dance for free and for love to the art or you just want to dance and pay the pimps and belong to a nightclub instead of doing it in the communal YMCA abandoned lot at the center where no one cares
Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco |
Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
301
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Posted - 2012.01.07 02:54:00 -
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So thats why you need either an attitude change or stick to Hi sec and sing and dance and avoid the pimps wanting to tax you for dancing.
That's why I like FW and W-Space.
It's like a solitary escort girl service. You just go where you want and work for whoever you like in the dark streets, but you have no boss, you can even team up with small escort services roaming the streets there for added protection, but it's no one's turf so UPGRAYEDD won't come looking for you. Only people going there is others wanting to slap you for no reason, others that just want to touch and don't pay and the crackheads, but that's regular street trash and you either evolve from it or die trying. But no organized hit squads nor weird Family relationships kissing the elders like 0.0
So dance friend! Do it! Everyone is free to feel good!!! Just remember where you are doing it and don't pretend you are a pretty woman. Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
365
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Posted - 2012.01.07 02:54:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:I was trying to get to a 0.0 agent that I wanted to do missions for, feel free to tell me an ideal way that doesn't involve millions of ISK loss?
don't run 0.0 missions imo. use a ship with a cloak and rat, or run anoms or something. be your own boss and collect bounties on npc pirates.
you think someone is after you? warp to random safe spot and cloak.. soon as cloaked in safe spot you will never die. |
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Keno Skir
77
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Posted - 2012.01.07 02:59:00 -
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You started an MMO and decided to walk right into the most dangerous PVP area you could see and gave the .|.. to the biggest hardest dude in there, causing him to kick your teeth in. You did no damage and died because you are a beginner and dont know how to survive lowsec, that's entirely forgivable. However busting onto the forums yelling about how unfair the game is because you couldnt beat a much more experienced player with your beginner skills is lame. EvE is supposed to be brutal and hard, learn from the experience and do a bit better next time. Team up with some friends (even newbie ones) and do a LOT better next time. Learn all about resisists and don't go back to lowsec without a cloaking device or a really fast ship. The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |
Tallianna Avenkarde
Beasts of Burden
211
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Posted - 2012.01.07 03:00:00 -
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so many people raging at you op
bravo 8/10 And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell. Ten fathoms deep on the road to hell. |
Valei Khurelem
114
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Posted - 2012.01.07 03:01:00 -
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Tallianna Avenkarde wrote:so many people raging at you op
bravo 8/10
*high fives*
Bringing you the truth! No matter how bad it hurts ;D |
Tiberius Sunstealer
Phantom Soulreavers
35
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Posted - 2012.01.07 03:05:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:or with a system much like Counter-Strike source, where I won't be punished for choosing the pistol and going up against an AWP. And that's when I knew...I had been trolled. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4293
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Posted - 2012.01.07 03:07:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Bringing you the truth! No matter how bad it hurts ;D Which truth would that be? That it was indeed a troll, scoring 8/10, or that you don't quite understand how EVE works yet? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
P42ALPHA
DEAD-ON
31
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Posted - 2012.01.07 03:09:00 -
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Messoroz wrote:1. It's a fudging thrasher, you should be far faster than a single broadsword 2. If you travel in 0.0 without a burner of some kind, YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG 3. Most frigs and sometimes destroyers can easily just burn back to gate and jump back out of the gate they spawned on when running into camps, this is a valid tactic assuming the campers shoot at you and aggress themselves meaning they can't jump for a minute. This also assumes you weren't stupid enough to shoot as well. AND it assumes you are properly fit.
The problem isn't an balancing issue, IT'S AN INTELLIGENCE ISSUE. I suggest reading some guides/tips/how tos on how to properly traverse null sec.
Have to agree. Though my loss's tonight we not smart. They were fun. Thinking ahead and knowing the game dose wonders.
But fudge them sabres that burn out of my bomb when i come for revenge :P
If you jump from a high to 0.0 or a null conected to low sec with a high population to 0.0 expect to loose something. Simple as that, just dont get mad about it. GIve a GF. and a wave. Have fun. and hope to run into the same ppl with or against some day. cause they like you are the content. That is what is fun. Noobs without blues will not ever run 0.0 missions. simple as that, even skilled players trying to do it on there own struggle.
o/ to all the KB residents. Happy to see ppl still camping and having fun in that region.
Noob tip. fit a mwd. anytime in 0.0 and if u dont want to loose a ship. crash the gate. Or go down shooting<---much more fun. "All hail Wang ... the little fella in Command. When 'trouble' starts to spread, I'm sure he will rise to the occasion."
Azahni Vah'nos (Best reply ever) |
Valei Khurelem
114
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Posted - 2012.01.07 03:10:00 -
[47] - Quote
What, so you mean it isn't just an overhyped and graphically enchanced version of this?
http://umop.com/images/rps15.jpg
Note: Replace hand icons with appropriate EVE spaceships |
kurg
Order of the Divine Shadow
3
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Posted - 2012.01.07 03:17:00 -
[48] - Quote
@Valei Khurelem,
Heres the thing, PvP in Eve is abit like Paper, Rock, Scissors there really is not one all be all ship/setup per say (which is great in my opinion), so its a bit of toss up when you travel even more so into lower sec areas and by that i mean your ship type and setup, i cant count the amount of times i see players traveling in what their beloved "EFT DPS FROM HELL" setup dictated only to be torn apart by a smaller more experienced players (and by that i mean, more in tune with Eve's game mechanics, not SP).
Now take that and add in a touch of fairly unforgiving PvP death penalty, so what you end up with is the "I Must Win" syndrome which typically means if an individual or group are out for blood they will make sure they get it and will do so in a manner that will ensure a higher chance for them/him/her to win, and it usually means you end up fighting on their terms (back yard per say) which provides them an even bigger advantage over you.
At the end of the day, its really up to you. Eve is really a niche type of game, and its just one of those games you either love or hate, me personally i love Eve and will continues to always play as its still one of the VERY few games that can still get my adrenaline going!
Well Good Luck, give it a chance and time. Remember, you get your kill rights and theres nothing better than getting sweet revenge when your opponent least expects it or at the most inconvenient time for some payback!.. |
Connaght Badasaz
Reasonable People Of Sound Mind
20
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Posted - 2012.01.07 03:18:00 -
[49] - Quote
Messoroz wrote:1. It's a fudging thrasher, you should be far faster than a single broadsword 2. If you travel in 0.0 without a burner of some kind, YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG 3. Most frigs and sometimes destroyers can easily just burn back to gate and jump back out of the gate they spawned on when running into camps, this is a valid tactic assuming the campers shoot at you and aggress themselves meaning they can't jump for a minute. This also assumes you weren't stupid enough to shoot as well. AND it assumes you are properly fit.
The problem isn't an balancing issue, IT'S AN INTELLIGENCE ISSUE. I suggest reading some guides/tips/how tos on how to properly traverse null sec.
You aren't the biggest bullet in the gun, are ya? Not everyone is born with gate agression mechanic knowledge. Keep ASSuming,it's fun. |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
286
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Posted - 2012.01.07 03:38:00 -
[50] - Quote
Valei Khurelem wrote:What, so you mean it isn't just an overhyped and graphically enchanced version of this? http://umop.com/images/rps15.jpgNote: Replace hand icons with appropriate EVE spaceships
Kind of. Only when both people throw the same thing, it is not a draw. It is then called PvP. |
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BeastlyRage
Wolfsbrigade
58
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Posted - 2012.01.07 03:48:00 -
[51] - Quote
Valei Khurelem wrote:Jason McCoy wrote:wow blame ccp for your stupidity
another one, jeeze its friday night, and im stuck at work. Someone get me a double rum and coke plz. Okay then, how do you beat a tech 2 broadsword with a tech 1 destroyer?
Ok well you are asking "How do I kill a 300mil ship with a 2mil ship?". How about you just don't engage him? And don't give me that "I was scrammed I couldn't do anything" crap. I am a PvPer and its very rare to be stuck in a situation in which you unintentionally ended up out of which you cannot get out. I think it has only happened to me twice in my life. Thats why EVE is broken, its too hard to actually catch people, if they so choose they can just skip on by most of the time.
You are a carebear. Get out and pvp. Join fleets. Die, ALOT. That is how you ******* LEARN. Don't just ******* die once and whine. You learned something. Go die again. That is what you ******* do. Do you think any pros out there didn't loose 200 T1 rifters when they started? |
Valei Khurelem
114
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Posted - 2012.01.07 04:26:00 -
[52] - Quote
Quote:Ok well you are asking "How do I kill a 300mil ship with a 2mil ship?". How about you just don't engage him? And don't give me that "I was scrammed I couldn't do anything" crap.
So let me get this straight, because I have less ISK than the other guy, I should run away from him ( which I tried to do ) if we take the scrambler out of the equation then what do I do if he has two other of his buddies waiting at the other gate for me with equally powerful ships? Is there some kind of magical counter that I'm missing with that? Or are you just saying because I have less ISK and haven't spent enough on modules or trained enough I should automatically die for daring to make a dash for 0.0 space?
It's amazing how people actually think this game is balanced, sometimes I really wish EVE would die purely so it would put the player base out of its misery and maybe get them outside once in awhile without being in denial, look at how long SWG took to get killed and how much rage that caused.
The problem here is simple, CCP have created a game based around ganking, but made it impossible for people to run away, you say run away but if the ship is far more superior and they're even given essentially an "IWIN" button ( the scrambler ) how the hell do you expect noobs to get anywhere near 0.0 space or do anything out of high security for that matter? Or at all be viable in PvP in any way if gankers are determined enough to go after them? |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
286
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Posted - 2012.01.07 04:39:00 -
[53] - Quote
Valei Khurelem wrote:Quote:Ok well you are asking "How do I kill a 300mil ship with a 2mil ship?". How about you just don't engage him? And don't give me that "I was scrammed I couldn't do anything" crap. So let me get this straight, because I have less ISK than the other guy, I should run away from him ( which I tried to do ) if we take the scrambler out of the equation then what do I do if he has two other of his buddies waiting at the other gate for me with equally powerful ships? Is there some kind of magical counter that I'm missing with that?
Get two of your buddies in 300mil ships and fight them.
Quote:It's amazing how people actually think this game is balanced...
Would you really call it balanced if months of training skills and hundreds of milions spent on a ship would be all for nothing, because someone out for their first time who got their ship from their tutorial mission could easily blow you up?
EVE is not Counterstrike. You don't spawn into a match together with and on the same time as other people. You're trying to fight someone older, wealthier, with more skills, better knowledge of the area, more experienced, and in a ship specifically designed to kill your ship type - and you expect the fight to be on equal terms?
Quote:The problem here is simple, CCP have created a game based around ganking, but made it impossible for people to run away, you say run away but if the ship is far more superior and they're even given essentially an "IWIN" button ( the scrambler ) how the hell do you expect noobs to get anywhere near 0.0 space or do anything out of high security for that matter?
You've already been given many ways you could have gotten away in this thread. "Noobs" are expected to learn from their mistakes and take advice so that they don't die again. |
Durie
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.01.07 04:39:00 -
[54] - Quote
I remember one of my first PVP encounters. Afterwards, I made a list of all the things that I did wrong. The encounter lasted maybe 30 seconds, but my list had 13 items on it ranging from scouting to fitting to positioning and movement. Basically, according to your post, you did almost everything in your situation wrong, yet refuse to admit that the outcome could be based on your decisions. |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
34
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Posted - 2012.01.07 04:49:00 -
[55] - Quote
My typical excursion into Lowsec usually finds me solo against 5-10 member gangs. If I manage to get past the entrance and decide to stay put anywhere for a bit, it's pretty much guaranteed there will be more than 6.
Nullsec I usually encounter either 50+ Blobs, 10+ fleets, or gangs of 3-6, and that solo as well. Even if they don't mind fighting relatively fair; you have to consider that if there is more than one, none will want to miss the opportunity for a fight; fair or not.
PvP is pretty much guaranteed to be multi-player. |
Santiago Fahahrri
Galactic Geographic
5
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Posted - 2012.01.07 04:54:00 -
[56] - Quote
I go solo or with just a few corp mates in deep 0.0 all the time - in fact we live out here. We can't stand empire space and it's limitations. We don't bow to the alliances and the gatecamps - we beat or avoid them.
Sorry you've had bad experiences. Perhaps you need a seasoned 0.0 corp or "teacher". I'm not being condescending or sarcastic - 0.0 requires conscious and adaptive strategy. It's not really that hard to survive out here, it's just different. It's the "when in Rome" analogy. Start thinking like a Roman and you'll be fine. (note: 0.0 is not like Rome - that's just an old saying)
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Santiago Fahahrri
Galactic Geographic
5
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Posted - 2012.01.07 04:59:00 -
[57] - Quote
Note: We've had successful "newbs" in our corp in nothing more than T1 frigates be very successful in 0.0. It's not about character skills. It's about player skills. It's about thinking. It's about out-thinking your opponent. It's about the "art of war". If you're relying on game mechanics to get you through you've missed the point. This isn't checkers, it's chess and poker and a martial arts cage match and a jungle guerrilla war all at once. Pick your strengths and play them against your enemies weakness. These are brain skills - player skills - human skills. CCP doesn't need to "balance eve" - the minds of the players do that. |
Souchek Lehman
Ten Thousand Years
6
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Posted - 2012.01.07 05:08:00 -
[58] - Quote
I have an alt with very few skills (only train on her occasionally), she is set up for Sansha ships and can just barely fly a Succubus. Recently I was thinking I would aim towards being a Sansha sypathizer with her, however I was trying to decide where to run missions and realized that by the time I was likely to go to 0.0 with her my Sansha standings would be tanked utterly. So I decided to take a chance and get her out there now to occasionally run lvl1s while recruiting of the noob corp. This entailed about 6 jumps through lowsec and then 10+ through null. I carefully picked a route that had the least activity and late one night I went for it. No prop mod, little experience in pvp and virtually none in null. I fitted two stabs instead of the nano/gun mod fit I run for missions. Long story short I went through three bubbles, one heavily camped. Was chased by Imperial Legion and AAA pilots, passed two 20+ man roaming gangs and I made it in a little over a half hour. Now said toon is in a Sansha station, med clone set so even if I do get caught in the Succubus Im still out there and can find another ship. So if any new player is reading this, dont believe the OP or even many of the responders who tell you null is some automatic deathtrap to a single player. Will I eventually get ganked? Probably. But I will also learn some things while Im out there. Pro tip, remember you can warp to other celestials in systems and then to your outgoing gate to avoid many bubbles. Good luck and have fun. S.L. |
MadMuppet
Kerguelen Station
70
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Posted - 2012.01.07 05:33:00 -
[59] - Quote
The phrase, "You brought a knife to a gun fight" comes to mind.
You do not need a huge wallet to live and fight in Low or 0.0(hell I recently went off to wander low-sec with 0.01 isk and worked back up from there), but you do need to bring your brain along with some tactics to protect it. It actually isn't that hard, but you need to have the discipline to do it at the proper pace and know when to run away and/or hide.
Yes, I only have a Vigil, I've had a bad bit of luck Ok? |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
34
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Posted - 2012.01.07 05:35:00 -
[60] - Quote
Souchek Lehman wrote:I have an alt with very few skills (only train on her occasionally), she is set up for Sansha ships and can just barely fly a Succubus. Recently I was thinking I would aim towards being a Sansha sypathizer with her, however I was trying to decide where to run missions and realized that by the time I was likely to go to 0.0 with her my Sansha standings would be tanked utterly. So I decided to take a chance and get her out there now to occasionally run lvl1s while recruiting of the noob corp. This entailed about 6 jumps through lowsec and then 10+ through null. I carefully picked a route that had the least activity and late one night I went for it. No prop mod, little experience in pvp and virtually none in null. I fitted two stabs instead of the nano/gun mod fit I run for missions. Long story short I went through three bubbles, one heavily camped. Was chased by Imperial Legion and AAA pilots, passed two 20+ man roaming gangs and I made it in a little over a half hour. Now said toon is in a Sansha station, med clone set so even if I do get caught in the Succubus Im still out there and can find another ship. So if any new player is reading this, dont believe the OP or even many of the responders who tell you null is some automatic deathtrap to a single player. Will I eventually get ganked? Probably. But I will also learn some things while Im out there. Pro tip, remember you can warp to other celestials in systems and then to your outgoing gate to avoid many bubbles. Good luck and have fun. S.L.
..and sometimes the gate back to highsec is so bubbled up, anything less than a Interdiction Nullifier TIII won't get through. I hit one of these once in a pod. Actually landed something like 100km off gate in the middle of a large sucker. bubble. There was maybe 20 other bubbles on the gate back to highsec, and I was travelling slow as slow can get in this thing.
Somebody mercifully podded me. If I could have said thank you, I would have. |
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Roosterton
Shattered Star Exiles SpaceMonkey's Alliance
234
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Posted - 2012.01.07 06:29:00 -
[61] - Quote
Quote:The problem here is simple, CCP have created a game based around ganking, but made it impossible for people to run away, you say run away but if the ship is far more superior and they're even given essentially an "IWIN" button ( the scrambler ) how the hell do you expect noobs to get anywhere near 0.0 space or do anything out of high security for that matter? Or at all be viable in PvP in any way if gankers are determined enough to go after them?
You have plenty of options.
1) Use cloaky ships, or even normal ships with cloak+mwd. This alone will make your travel much, much safer. 2) Make friends. EVE is an MMO, it isn't meant to be played solo. These friends can scout for you, back you up if you get into trouble, kill people so that they won't be a threat later, etc. 3) Get permission from the people who killed you to run missions in their space. Get to know them a bit, maybe join their corp if you really like them. Most people in 0.0 aren't really that bad. 4) Get a bigger, stronger ship. If they still attack you, you'll have a fighting chance, or they might not attack you at all if you won't be easy prey. |
Jovan Geldon
SniggWaffe EVE Corporation 123566322353
278
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Posted - 2012.01.07 08:14:00 -
[62] - Quote
That was an awful lot of words you used to tell us that you're terrible at EVE, and also severely mentally deficient to boot |
Covert Kitty
SRS Industries SRS.
126
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Posted - 2012.01.07 09:00:00 -
[63] - Quote
Prop mods (usually microwarp) are almost always mandatory in pvp. Sounds like you had one, but choose to aggress an opponent you would obviously not win against. The correct move would have been to burn back to the gate and jump without agress.
90% of pvp in eve is what happens before the fight, not during. Like chess, if you moved a pawn, uncovered, into the sights of a rook, it's not the game's fault that you loose it on your opponents turn. Eve works in a very similar way, it's all about knowing what counters what. What fittings, ranges, weapons, damage types, etc are likely to be strong against your opponent, and also recognizing your own ships abilities, knowing when to run.
Nullsec is perfectly viable for solo pvp and pve. Stealth bombers are a simple and obvious choice for ratting for example, its a fantastic way of getting your sec standing up. Just the other day I left Amarr in a hurricane on what I thought would be a solo suicide roam. Flew 100 some jumps around nullsec, eventually killed a vagabond deep in Russian space and returned safely back to Amarr :D
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Killer Gandry
Shadow of the Pain
24
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Posted - 2012.01.07 09:01:00 -
[64] - Quote
If you fly an inferior ship with inferior skills, equipement and tactics then why should you be rewarded for that?
Your mistakes are as follows.
No research. No plan. No tactics. No idea what you are doing. Posting the whole concept on the forums.
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Thredd Necro
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
108
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Posted - 2012.01.07 09:01:00 -
[65] - Quote
Valei Khurelem wrote:I voluntarily approached an AEGIS Cruiser in my rubber dinghy and the cruiser blew me out of the water and there was nothing I could do about it.
You might have had a chance at escape if you had JATO units on your dinghy, but I think the best advice is that of Mr Miyagi:
"Best defense: No be there."
What is the true point of this post?
Here's to fire. Not the fast and furious kind that burns down shacks and shanties, but the slow, seductive kind that takes down pants and panties. - Irish toast |
Halcyon Ingenium
Infomorph Research and Technology
120
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Posted - 2012.01.07 09:23:00 -
[66] - Quote
Valei Khurelem wrote:
You're right, EVE is for cowards.
And there you have it ladies and gentlemen. Yet one more anecdote for the record that shows that the born loser will always resort to the moral victory when the actual victory is denied him. He could take his licks and maybe learn from them and get better. But instead he has opted for the eternal moral victory which requires no more effort, no self overcoming.
Moral victory = Slavery
Have fun with that.
That which always was, and is, and will be everlasting fire, the same for all, the cosmos, made neither by god nor man, replenishes in measure as it burns away. -Heraclitus |
Cybele Lanier
Viziam Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2012.01.07 10:57:00 -
[67] - Quote
Brujo Loco wrote:I totally understand your frustration if it's real, you are accustomed to playing games a CERTAIN way where you are the Dovahkiin of Legend and you kill dragons by FOS RUH DA'ing them over edges and you have 100 in all skills and you are oh so special and no matter what you do endless hordes of npcs will say you are so awesome and oyu can marry them and they will love you in pxelated polygon love for ever as the world is loaded in your ram , but then you come into eve and right away take an arrow in the knee and you realize you are just another guy in a weird sandlot full of cat crap, bullies, midgets, and the center is full of nice people only because there's a sandguardian, but the edges have all manners of weirdos and wig wearing transvestites.
So Hi Sec is the most close thing to an experience like that where you are somewhat safe, you can mine, mission run and hate people for wanting to violence you ship when all you want is do missions for a pirate faction known for extorsion, murder, racketeering and profiteering and the only thing between you and them is a bunch of people that came into a zone and said "THIS CRAP IS MINE" and don't let you pass through it because they can't understand they are killing pvp and eve is wrong so wrong, perhaps because they use transvestite wigs and high heels, who knows?
So yes, eve is wrong.
No
EVE just is. The only strange thing here is the wig wearing transvestites at the edge of the sandlot that is peed and po'od upon and you want to go there and be free and roam carelessly in the winds. But that's how it is. It's an utter monstrosity of a hodgepodge of people that created an artificial set of rules and yes, those rules sometimes totally suck but that's how things are.
But if EVE removed the Sandguardian Police at the center of the lot everyone would leave and eve would die, because all the midgets and weirdos would love to just grief the others, and not for being great or normal, simply because they are midgets and wig wearing transvestites that just want to dance instead of paying the bills to the pimps that live at the edges of the sandlot.
So stop pretending you are not a wig wearing trans or a midget or a weirdo, we all are here in the sandlot, the thing just boils down to the issue of you wanting to dance for free and for love to the art or you just want to dance and pay the pimps and belong to a nightclub instead of doing it in the communal YMCA abandoned lot at the center where no one cares
Who else thinks that CCP should get this guy to narrate the game intro instead of Aura? |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
489
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Posted - 2012.01.07 11:04:00 -
[68] - Quote
oh noes... |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations
181
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Posted - 2012.01.07 11:20:00 -
[69] - Quote
TRoll ,
Sorry but my brain is telling me NO ONE can be that stupid , narrowminded and blind to the obvious.It is IMPOSSIBLE. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
174
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Posted - 2012.01.07 11:31:00 -
[70] - Quote
To the OP:
You just learned how EVE is not about being free, but about doing what the rules allow you to do, which can be summarized as: bully or unsuscribe. |
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Pinaculus
Insanely Twisted
129
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Posted - 2012.01.07 11:34:00 -
[71] - Quote
So...you're mad because you lost a Thrasher? You do know that Destroyers are held together by paper mache and hope, right? And they're extremely cheap. And they're insurable for full value (minus modules).
You even said in your initial post that you purposefully budgeted a certain amount because you were pretty sure you would die.
Well, you died and didn't lose much. Congrats. Your plan worked! Successful risk management!
Next time fly something with enough tank and speed to make it back to the gate without dying. I hear Drakes and Hurricanes are good for that. I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs. |
Miss Whippy
Bloody Limeys
4
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Posted - 2012.01.07 11:40:00 -
[72] - Quote
Obvious Troll is obvious. How can so many people fall for it?
Noobs |
Tore Vest
Vikinghall
132
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Posted - 2012.01.07 11:56:00 -
[73] - Quote
Stay in highsec. Its nothing to see out in low/null.... other than big blobs and gatecampers with mids full of sensorboosters |
Ghoest
239
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Posted - 2012.01.07 12:34:00 -
[74] - Quote
@ OP
1 I spend a great deal of time in in 0.0 particularly in NPC pirate space. 2 I dont gank people. 3 You are a clueless noob.
Seriously if this is how you perceived your visit to 0.0 you should never leave high sec. You clearly are not up to understanding the rather simple dynamics of 0.0
On the other hand maybe its an 8/10. Wherever You Went - Here You Are |
Pinaculus
Insanely Twisted
129
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Posted - 2012.01.07 13:58:00 -
[75] - Quote
Miss Whippy wrote:Obvious Troll is obvious. How can so many people fall for it?
Noobs Of course it's an obvious troll, but it has also spurred an interesting conversation about tactics for navigating through null. The conversation could prove useful to new players that aren't crybabies. I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs. |
Riedle
Paradox Collective Choke Point
54
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Posted - 2012.01.07 14:49:00 -
[76] - Quote
good God I hope this a troll
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4295
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Posted - 2012.01.07 15:20:00 -
[77] - Quote
Valei Khurelem wrote:So let me get this straight, because I have less ISK than the other guy, I should run away from him ( which I tried to do ) No. Rather, because he is in a more expensive ship than you, you should come to the conclusion that he didn't pay all that extra ISK just to pay extra ISK, but rather because it would buy him some kind of additional abilities. It's those additional abilities you need to be wary about and run away from. In this case, he bought the ability of a silly large tank and improved tackling abilities.
Oh, and no, you didn't try to run away GÇö you GÇ£tried charging him and got only one shot offGÇ¥, which sealed your fate. By the sound of it, you also came very ill equipped for the both tasks, running away and attacking.
Quote:if we take the scrambler out of the equation then what do I do if he has two other of his buddies waiting at the other gate for me with equally powerful ships? Bring 4, 5, 10 friends and blow them up. Numbers count for a lot GÇö ISK and SP far less.
Quote:It's amazing how people actually think this game is balanced Well, you haven't really presented a strong case for why it isn't balanced. Most people around here are aware of balancing issues, but they are between races and between hull/weapon design principle. Your scenario has very little to do with balance, and a lot to do with making bad decisions while/such as using suboptimal equipment for the task at hand. Oh, and running away is very much possible, you just need to learn howGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Othran
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
126
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Posted - 2012.01.07 15:32:00 -
[78] - Quote
Riedle wrote:good God I hope this a troll
I don't believe it is as he's complaining on other threads about CCP fanboys defending the game.
He's just one of the many instant gratification people who visit Eve and leave. The point at which you should panic is when CCP listens to people like this. |
Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
328
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Posted - 2012.01.07 16:14:00 -
[79] - Quote
eve pvp is pretty bad. I just play to become space rich. WH/pve/trading/exploration is all i really do. If i want to pvp i play BF3 or world of tanks. |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
286
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Posted - 2012.01.07 16:37:00 -
[80] - Quote
Cybele Lanier wrote:Brujo Loco wrote:I totally understand your frustration if it's real, you are accustomed to playing games a CERTAIN way where you are the Dovahkiin of Legend and you kill dragons by FOS RUH DA'ing them over edges and you have 100 in all skills and you are oh so special and no matter what you do endless hordes of npcs will say you are so awesome and oyu can marry them and they will love you in pxelated polygon love for ever as the world is loaded in your ram , but then you come into eve and right away take an arrow in the knee and you realize you are just another guy in a weird sandlot full of cat crap, bullies, midgets, and the center is full of nice people only because there's a sandguardian, but the edges have all manners of weirdos and wig wearing transvestites.
So Hi Sec is the most close thing to an experience like that where you are somewhat safe, you can mine, mission run and hate people for wanting to violence you ship when all you want is do missions for a pirate faction known for extorsion, murder, racketeering and profiteering and the only thing between you and them is a bunch of people that came into a zone and said "THIS CRAP IS MINE" and don't let you pass through it because they can't understand they are killing pvp and eve is wrong so wrong, perhaps because they use transvestite wigs and high heels, who knows?
So yes, eve is wrong.
No
EVE just is. The only strange thing here is the wig wearing transvestites at the edge of the sandlot that is peed and po'od upon and you want to go there and be free and roam carelessly in the winds. But that's how it is. It's an utter monstrosity of a hodgepodge of people that created an artificial set of rules and yes, those rules sometimes totally suck but that's how things are.
But if EVE removed the Sandguardian Police at the center of the lot everyone would leave and eve would die, because all the midgets and weirdos would love to just grief the others, and not for being great or normal, simply because they are midgets and wig wearing transvestites that just want to dance instead of paying the bills to the pimps that live at the edges of the sandlot.
So stop pretending you are not a wig wearing trans or a midget or a weirdo, we all are here in the sandlot, the thing just boils down to the issue of you wanting to dance for free and for love to the art or you just want to dance and pay the pimps and belong to a nightclub instead of doing it in the communal YMCA abandoned lot at the center where no one cares Who else thinks that CCP should get this guy to narrate the game intro instead of Aura?
People should be forced to read and agree to this instead of the EULA. |
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Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
74
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Posted - 2012.01.07 17:02:00 -
[81] - Quote
Some observations:
1. You did not properly asses the danger you were about to face.(still blindly forging ahaead when you knew something was up)
2. You did not properly asses the capabilities of both ships.(yours and his)
3. Your decisions were poor, the whole way through, and got you killed.
4. You rant about it here, blubbering about how unfair it all is.
I say go back to playing CounterStrike, and teabagging n00bs. You've got to remember that these are just simple miners. These are people of the land. The common clay of New Eden. You know... morons. |
Kha'Vorn
Kha'Toum
65
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Posted - 2012.01.07 17:33:00 -
[82] - Quote
Enjoyable thread. Will read again. |
Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
99
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Posted - 2012.01.07 17:51:00 -
[83] - Quote
IF TROLL: You have wasted a pretty thick slice of your limited time on this one, and a thinner slice of mine.
IF NOT A TROLL: I did missions for the Angels in NPC null as a solo noob. Set course, loaded up thrasher, died to bubble camp. Learned about map and pilots in space etc. Did missions for Serpentis in Utopia. Real pain getting in and out, but never once got hassled in a mission. This is L1 missions by the way, few L2s before i got sick of the travel hassle. Solo play in Eve is very hard and progression up the learning curve, or wall, is slow, but definite. Lost many thrashers in low and null, learned by looking at lossmails, what killed me.
Your complaints are utterly invalid.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
Valei Khurelem
117
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Posted - 2012.01.07 17:58:00 -
[84] - Quote
I was thinking about just leaving this thread because I was making a genuine point about how stupid EVE and every other MMORPG's PvP is but the amount of rage coming from mainly goons was too funny to resist so I'll respond to a particular phrase that keeps being thrown around these forums without any real meaning called "Instant Gratification" here's why they're full of crap.
. These players are claiming that I, as a miner am taking the instant gratification route when everyone agrees mining is tedious, boring and you don't get a lot of ISK from it
. These players fly ships specifically designed to gank people for easy kills in ships, they don't go around picking fights they can't win ( I thought EVE PvP was supposed to be balanced, if it wasn't why couldn't you go and pick a fight with someone supposedly more powerful tha you? It doesn't make sense ;) ) and they gate camp stargates which are CCP made chokepoints designed to funnel players through 0.0 for easy kills
. We are fully aware there are botters in 0.0 space that alliances own, this is cheating, so they aren't even playing the game honestly
. You boast about the risk in 0.0 space, yet people say once you get past the gate camps it is almost completely empty, so this means as long as the gate camps are up indiscriminately ganking every stranger who tries to pass through it will be safer than high sec space
. Rewards are much bigger, while this is debatable especially with incursions being recently put in, if you own the space and are ganking anyone else except your friends then you pretty much get all the rare ore, rats and missions you could ever want of course there are incursions as well to consider in 0.0 space though I don't know whether it gives out more or less ISK than high security
. It has been reported 0.0 alliances used exploits in EVE without telling CCP about them so yet again they could cheat their way to billions of ISK without having to do any of the grinding
Now I know you lot need to take your pent up sexual frustration out on something, but it's pretty sad when you decide to make several pages of thread quite literally almost at once and then try to discredit said person by claiming "EVE is not for you, noob, instant gratification player" etc. etc. when you all go around cheating through the game and when you find no ones playing by your rules anymore because low and behold this game is still a sandbox. You decide to take your frustration out on the only area left where players who just want to play the game are left. |
Trainwreck McGee
Ghost Ship Inc.
210
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Posted - 2012.01.07 17:58:00 -
[85] - Quote
cry baby rant of 2012.......knowing these forums it will be beat in a week. CCP Trainwreck - Weekend Custodial Engineer / CCP Necrogoats foot stool |
White Tree
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
722
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Posted - 2012.01.07 18:00:00 -
[86] - Quote
Learn to pick your fights bud |
Nullbeard Rager
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
50
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Posted - 2012.01.07 18:02:00 -
[87] - Quote
Halcyon Ingenium wrote:Valei Khurelem wrote:
You're right, EVE is for cowards.
And there you have it ladies and gentlemen. Yet one more anecdote for the record that shows that the born loser will always resort to the moral victory when the actual victory is denied him. He could take his licks and maybe learn from them and get better. But instead he has opted for the eternal moral victory which requires no more effort, no self overcoming. Moral victory = Slavery Have fun with that.
Says the pot the kettle. Irony much? |
Minta Contha
Emergent Entity KONZERN
37
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Posted - 2012.01.07 18:16:00 -
[88] - Quote
I can't really figure out what the OP's problem is here. That other people have ships that could take his down? That he was outgunned? This sort of thing happens in Eve. You took risks, you paid the price, **** happens, it's unfortunate but it's part of life in this universe. This happens every day to hundreds of players. Sore loser syndrome, I think. My cooking is like my lovemaking - fast, greasy, and unsatisfying. |
Solid Prefekt
Haven Front
1
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Posted - 2012.01.07 18:47:00 -
[89] - Quote
If you want to be in 0.0 you need to expect to lose a lot of ships. If you quit after losing 2 ships then you fail. After about 30 ship losses you start to figure out what works and what does not. Soon you'll be owning the 0.0 skies without the need for a large fleet. I moved to 0.0 a month into the game in 2005 and have never looked back. For most, the only fear of 0.0 is fear itself. The introduction of the T3 ship has made it a joke to get into 0.0 and with very little SP requirement. |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
74
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Posted - 2012.01.07 18:47:00 -
[90] - Quote
posting in a 0.0 hate thread
0.0 sucks cos theres no where to save up any more, theres bubbles that eat your pods like candy, theres CTA, bossy alterlords running everything, people are always so grumpy, isk actually isn that great if you need to buy from high sec anyways, POS bashing sux, system ownership is boring and sux, allience dramas sux, ccp alts cutting corners, never a station to dock at after a roam, roams are long and boring, space is too dark, suns are too bright, warps are too long, that guy sed he doesnt like me, hookers on every gate (ugly ones), drug dfealers and theifs in every system, spacenarwols eat away at your hulls and once im pretty sure i was moelested by a stargate. |
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Avasa Siuu
House Aratus Fatal Ascension
3
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Posted - 2012.01.07 18:54:00 -
[91] - Quote
Free candy and women to be given out in Fade. Want to join in on the festivities? Come to Torrinos and jump through the EC-P8R gate and make your way there!
P.S. Will give out a free archon to one that brings a Freighter full of BPOs! |
Valei Khurelem
117
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Posted - 2012.01.07 18:58:00 -
[92] - Quote
Do the women come with the candy on top of them? :D |
Avasa Siuu
House Aratus Fatal Ascension
3
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Posted - 2012.01.07 19:00:00 -
[93] - Quote
Yes, Yes they do, I have strawberry, cherry, chocolate, white chocolate, almond, nuttella spread... oooo nutella=best. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4295
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Posted - 2012.01.07 19:03:00 -
[94] - Quote
Valei Khurelem wrote:These players are claiming that I, as a miner am taking the instant gratification route when everyone agrees mining is tedious, boring and you don't get a lot of ISK from it GǪand instant gratification since there's very little work that needs to be done and you get the result immediately.
Quote:I thought EVE PvP was supposed to be balanced, if it wasn't why couldn't you go and pick a fight with someone supposedly more powerful than you? How can they be more powerful than you in the first place just because they paid subscription a bit longer? It is and it is, apart from some design inconsistencies between the racial doctrines that make them more or less suitable for certain needs. What you're talking about is not balance GÇö it's match-making, which doesn't make sense in the context of the EVE universe. This is a wide-open sandbox, and the game will not do that work for you. You have to do it yourself. They're not more powerful than you just because they've played longer GÇö they're more powerful than you because they use the right tool for the job and because they know how to use it.
Quote:they gate camp stargates which are CCP made chokepoints designed to funnel players through 0.0 for easy kills No. They're designed for (somewhat) easy defence, like all choke points. Fortunately, like pretty much everything in EVE, there are counters to this in the form of ships that are superbly adept at bypassing such choke points (and others that can skip them completely).
Quote:You boast about the risk in 0.0 space, yet people say once you get past the gate camps it is almost completely empty, GǪand it's the GǣalmostGǥ part that means they're still riskier than highsec.
Quote:it's pretty sad when you decide to make several pages of thread quite literally almost at once and then try to discredit said person by claiming "EVE is not for you, noob, instant gratification player" etc. etc. The only one who's trying to discredit anyone around here is you, by calling people cheaters for no apparent reason. The rest are simply explaining to you that your claims and assertions make no sense and that you are quite obviously making huge assumptions about how EVE and are now trying to pass off your own bad decisions based on these incorrect assumptions as design flaws in the game. They're not design flaws GÇö they're flaws in your decision caused by flaws in your assumptions. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
203
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Posted - 2012.01.07 19:10:00 -
[95] - Quote
Null sec is the raiding area for this game, Wow has deathwind right now for its raiding, and EVE has player controlled space in null for it. One does not just niavely enter a raiding area and hope to do well since they are innocent and dont know better.
A better thread for you to start or read is one for casuals and if this game supports them or not. Threads like this generally result in anything positive.
Locked. |
Valei Khurelem
117
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Posted - 2012.01.07 19:15:00 -
[96] - Quote
Avasa Siuu wrote:Yes, Yes they do, I also have strawberry, cherry, chocolate, white chocolate, almond, nuttella spread... oooo nutella=best.
Do they have ice cream too?! |
Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
74
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Posted - 2012.01.07 19:17:00 -
[97] - Quote
OP: Waaaaa I got ganked!
Low/Nul security players: Sucks to be you.
OP: I engaged a Comand ship in my tiny Thrasher, I didn't have a chance. CCP should do something.
EVERYONE: LOL
OP: Don't laugh, you are all mean.
Helpful people: (tries to give helpful advice)
OP: *pouting* I didn't have a chance, when I play a FPS everything is ballanced. (TROLL alarm sounds)
EVERYONE: EvE is not a FPS, and you are dumb.(deploy counter troll measures)
OP: You are all mean, and Goonie alts, and botters, and cheaters, and I want to play the way I want. I'm going to take my toys and go to Highsec.
Have I got the jist of this thread?
You've got to remember that these are just simple miners. These are people of the land. The common clay of New Eden. You know... morons. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4295
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Posted - 2012.01.07 19:20:00 -
[98] - Quote
Falin Whalen wrote:Have I got the jist of this thread? Apart from some later attempts at face-saving, yes.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Valei Khurelem
117
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Posted - 2012.01.07 19:21:00 -
[99] - Quote
You forgot to add this part:
Falin Whalen: HURRRK! HURRRK! I'm a stupid troll that came in to late trying to sound clever and ended up posting off topic in a thread that was already getting completely derailed HURRRK! GRROARRR! |
Ghoest
239
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Posted - 2012.01.07 19:21:00 -
[100] - Quote
Valei Khurelem wrote:I was thinking about just leaving this thread because I was making a genuine point about how stupid EVE and every other MMORPG's PvP is but the amount of rage coming from mainly goons was too funny to resist so I'll respond to a particular phrase that keeps being thrown around these forums without any real meaning called "Instant Gratification" here's why they're full of crap.
I see a lot of people including myself who are known to not be goons, who have expressed of a low opinion of your capacity and competency in this thread.
Im calling you a "clueless noob" because the more corect adjective would make the mods unhappy.
You are a person is not capable of handling a challenging situation you are also a person with out the capacity to understand why you fail. Wherever You Went - Here You Are |
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
2678
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Posted - 2012.01.07 19:25:00 -
[101] - Quote
Virginia Woolf can do stream of consciousness. You cannot.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4296
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Posted - 2012.01.07 19:35:00 -
[102] - Quote
Bumblefck wrote:Virginia Woolf can do stream of consciousness. You cannot. Then again, she h4xed by making it comprehensible unlike, say, JoyceGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Mystical Might
The Imperial Fedaykin
70
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Posted - 2012.01.07 19:39:00 -
[103] - Quote
Brujo Loco wrote:
you could try joining Faction Warfare.
Nope. Amarr Militia do not want.
You can try the caldari. Or the Minmatar. They're all for carebears.
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ElQuirko
The Demonfuge Malevolent Fan Club
295
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Posted - 2012.01.07 20:06:00 -
[104] - Quote
Valei Khurelem wrote: tl;dr I'm a whiny *****
Let me put this rant into perspective:
This guy is a somali pirate (who doesn't commit pirate acts idk bear with me haha bear geddit lol lol lol) in a rubber dinghy who shot a Royal Navy destroyer with an AK-47 and then whined to the UN to change the Geneva Convention because he got a face full of ouch.
Seriously, if you're going to complain about fighting a ship that is A. One ship class above and B. One tech level above in one of the weakest ship classes in the game and losing, go back to... wait, even WoW players aren't this stupid. I might suggest Hello Kitty: Island Adventure, but even that gets players with a higher IQ. |
Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
74
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Posted - 2012.01.07 20:15:00 -
[105] - Quote
Valei Khurelem wrote:You forgot to add this part:
Falin Whalen: HURRRK! HURRRK! I'm a stupid troll that came in too late trying to sound clever and ended up posting on topic in a thread that was already getting completely derailed HURRRK! GRROARRR!
ZOUNDS! I am undone. Forsooth, your barbs and gibes have found their mark.
You've got to remember that these are just simple miners. These are people of the land. The common clay of New Eden. You know... morons. |
ElQuirko
The Demonfuge Malevolent Fan Club
295
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Posted - 2012.01.07 20:17:00 -
[106] - Quote
Falin Whalen wrote: ZOUNDS! I am undone. Forsooth, your barbs and gibes have found their mark.
Sire, he jests at scars that never felt a wound! Let light not see my dark and deep desires. Etc. Shakespeare. Y'dig? |
Feligast
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
929
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Posted - 2012.01.07 20:17:00 -
[107] - Quote
Falin Whalen wrote:Valei Khurelem wrote:You forgot to add this part:
Falin Whalen: HURRRK! HURRRK! I'm a stupid troll that came in too late trying to sound clever and ended up posting on topic in a thread that was already getting completely derailed HURRRK! GRROARRR! ZOUNDS! I am undone. Forsooth, your barbs and gibes have found their mark.
Prithee, let us away, afore the brigands alight! |
SmegB
Onyx Brotherhood STR8NGE BREW
18
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Posted - 2012.01.07 20:45:00 -
[108] - Quote
Kha'Vorn wrote:Kicking back with some popcorn, just waiting for the inevitable...
Here is the inveitable your an idiot post... Now all we need is a quit being a pansy post |
ElQuirko
The Demonfuge Malevolent Fan Club
295
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Posted - 2012.01.07 20:55:00 -
[109] - Quote
SmegB wrote:Kha'Vorn wrote:Kicking back with some popcorn, just waiting for the inevitable... Here is the inveitable your an idiot post... Now all we need is a quit being a pansy post
Quit being a pansy at posting that people are pansies, you pansy. Did you even READ the thread? |
Ira Theos
Viziam Amarr Empire
28
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Posted - 2012.01.08 00:48:00 -
[110] - Quote
Dradius Calvantia wrote:EVE is not for you
LOL, typical Eve Vet BS response as YET ANOTHER SUBSCRIBER IS LOST.
Doesn't do much for CCP's bottom line. |
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Ira Theos
Viziam Amarr Empire
28
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Posted - 2012.01.08 00:50:00 -
[111] - Quote
Radelix Cisko wrote:Thats bad luck friend. You should give it another go. You are going to run into blobs and far larger ships than what you have. But that is part of the game is knowing how to pick your fights. Do recon, listen to local, ask in local. This game rewards intelligence and forethought and that is how I and others here like it.
It wasn't bad luck. Everything the OP described says "Everything is working as intended."
What it is is BAD GAME MECHANICS ! |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4298
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Posted - 2012.01.08 00:51:00 -
[112] - Quote
Ira Theos wrote:LOL, typical Eve Vet BS response What's BS about it?
Tell me, are you playing a lot of Peggle?
Quote:What it is is BAD GAME MECHANICS ! How so? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
247
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Posted - 2012.01.08 00:59:00 -
[113] - Quote
Yuppers OP.
Unless tyou want to su** the co**s of LARGE ALLIANCE LEADERS and help in the recreation of a Communistic Slave-like Society within the game, Null is just STUPID.
A great area of the Game CCP has allowed certain Factions to to dictate just how THEY want it to operate.
After 2 years of playing I have yet to hear of anyone doing the 'Solo" in null.
It is unbalanced, strange, weird, and not worth it ATM.....if ever. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Ira Theos
Viziam Amarr Empire
28
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Posted - 2012.01.08 01:13:00 -
[114] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Yuppers OP.
Unless tyou want to su** the co**s of LARGE ALLIANCE LEADERS and help in the recreation of a Communistic Slave-like Society within the game, Null is just STUPID.
A great area of the Game CCP has allowed certain Factions to to dictate just how THEY want it to operate.
After 2 years of playing I have yet to hear of anyone doing the 'Solo" in null.
It is unbalanced, strange, weird, and not worth it ATM.....if ever.
THIS THE TRUTH.
READ THIS TIPPIA, THIS IS WHY EVE IS CRAP!
(I am apparently not the only one that thinks so.) |
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
94
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Posted - 2012.01.08 01:16:00 -
[115] - Quote
Null Sec is not for pvp. Its for Sov Blob warfare and Nullbearing, with that o so overpowered moon mining.
If you actually want to pvp theirs this wierd ass place called Low Sec. Embrace it before ccp kills it off for good. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4298
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Posted - 2012.01.08 01:17:00 -
[116] - Quote
Ira Theos wrote:READ THIS TIPPIA, THIS IS WHY EVE IS CRAP! Because people make up stuff that isn't true? Well, don't listen to them then, and it stops being crap. Not posting in all caps also helps from what I've heard. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Killstealing
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
326
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Posted - 2012.01.08 01:17:00 -
[117] - Quote
to post or not to post that is the question |
Ira Theos
Viziam Amarr Empire
28
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Posted - 2012.01.08 01:19:00 -
[118] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Ira Theos wrote:READ THIS TIPPIA, THIS IS WHY EVE IS CRAP! Because people make up stuff that isn't true? Well, don't listen to them then, and it stops being crap. Not posting in all caps also helps from what I've heard.
and anything posted by "Tippia" is automatically BS by definition... So I guess I'll just ignore you. |
Killstealing
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
326
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Posted - 2012.01.08 01:19:00 -
[119] - Quote
what's in a name? this post by any other name would be as bad |
Killstealing
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
326
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Posted - 2012.01.08 01:19:00 -
[120] - Quote
as posts through yonder forum break, tis OP, and lyris is the sun |
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Killstealing
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
326
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Posted - 2012.01.08 01:20:00 -
[121] - Quote
all the forum's a stage, and all the men and women simply posters |
Killstealing
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
326
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Posted - 2012.01.08 01:21:00 -
[122] - Quote
some are born great posters, some achieve greatness of posting, and some have great posts thrust in their face |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4298
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Posted - 2012.01.08 01:24:00 -
[123] - Quote
Ira Theos wrote:and anything posted by "Tippia" is automatically BS by definition... So I guess I'll just ignore you. Oh dear, here we goGǪ
Ok, so you have no actual argument, only unfounded and unreasoned assertions without any backing?
Why is it a BS response to say that EVE isn't for certain people? What are these GÇ£bad mechanicsGÇ¥ you spak of? Why is EVE crap just because some areas are fully under players' control? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Ira Theos
Viziam Amarr Empire
28
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Posted - 2012.01.08 01:30:00 -
[124] - Quote
Valei Khurelem wrote:I was thinking about just leaving this thread because I was making a genuine point about how stupid EVE and every other MMORPG's PvP is but the amount of rage coming from mainly goons was too funny to resist so I'll respond to a particular phrase that keeps being thrown around these forums without any real meaning called "Instant Gratification" here's why they're full of crap.
. These players are claiming that I, as a miner am taking the instant gratification route when everyone agrees mining is tedious, boring and you don't get a lot of ISK from it
. These players fly ships specifically designed to gank people for easy kills in ships, they don't go around picking fights they can't win ( I thought EVE PvP was supposed to be balanced, if it wasn't why couldn't you go and pick a fight with someone supposedly more powerful than you? How can they be more powerful than you in the first place just because they paid subscription a bit longer? It doesn't make sense ;) ) and they gate camp stargates which are CCP made chokepoints designed to funnel players through 0.0 for easy kills
. We are fully aware there are botters in 0.0 space that alliances own, this is cheating, so they aren't even playing the game honestly
. You boast about the risk in 0.0 space, yet people say once you get past the gate camps it is almost completely empty, so this means as long as the gate camps are up indiscriminately ganking every stranger who tries to pass through it will be safer than high sec space
. Rewards are much bigger, while this is debatable especially with incursions being recently put in, if you own the space and are ganking anyone else except your friends then you pretty much get all the rare ore, rats and missions you could ever want of course there are incursions as well to consider in 0.0 space though I don't know whether it gives out more or less ISK than high security
. It has been reported 0.0 alliances used exploits in EVE without telling CCP about them so yet again they could cheat their way to billions of ISK without having to do any of the grinding
Now I know you lot need to take your pent up sexual frustration out on something, but it's pretty sad when you decide to make several pages of thread quite literally almost at once and then try to discredit said person by claiming "EVE is not for you, noob, instant gratification player" etc. etc. when you all go around cheating through the game and when you find no ones playing by your rules anymore because low and behold this game is still a sandbox. You decide to take your frustration out on the only area left where players who just want to play the game are left.
Valei, you are pretty much SPOT ON ON ALL POINTS. I've played Eve for six years, run everything I can with my 100 million plus skillpoints, been everywhere from Jita to Deep Zero as neighbors of BOB... and I agree with everything you have said here. Why am I saying this as a "Bitter Vet" when I am supposed to line up with the rest of Vet's who are sucking tit off the RMT Plantations? Because I hate the Plantations and every twisted stupid mechanic of CCP's that they have used to totally ruin the sovereignty game in Zero. It is sad what they have done to Eve. It's killing subscription growth and killing revenue. Ultimately it will kill Eve. In my case, Eve is no long worthy of my real cash and I just pay for PLEX with isk. |
Killstealing
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
326
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Posted - 2012.01.08 01:34:00 -
[125] - Quote
plexing earns ccp more money than subbing |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4298
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Posted - 2012.01.08 01:35:00 -
[126] - Quote
Ira Theos wrote:I hate the Plantations and every twisted stupid mechanic of CCP's that they have used to totally ruin the sovereignty game in Zero. GǪsuch as?
Quote:It is sad what they have done to Eve. It's killing subscription growth and killing revenue. Yes. It was called GÇ£abandoning core EVE for Incarna and other dream projects.GÇ¥
Quote:Eve is no long worthy of my real cash and I just pay for PLEX with isk. Good. That means you're supporting CCP even more than before. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Ira Theos
Viziam Amarr Empire
28
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Posted - 2012.01.08 01:39:00 -
[127] - Quote
sYnc Vir wrote:Null Sec is not for pvp. Its for Sov Blob warfare and Nullbearing, with that o so overpowered moon mining.
If you actually want to pvp theirs this wierd ass place called Low Sec. Embrace it before ccp kills it off for good.
THIS is also the truth!
(Again, I'm not the only one that thinks current mechanics are crap!) |
Ira Theos
Viziam Amarr Empire
28
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Posted - 2012.01.08 01:48:00 -
[128] - Quote
Killstealing wrote:plexing earns ccp more money than subbing
No, actually they don't because if I was still paying cash instead (of buying plex with game isk I earned "ingame"), they would not only be receiving the money somebody else paid them for the PLEX, but they would be receiving my sub payment.
As it is now, they are only receiving the other guy's money who paid for the PLEX I use. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4298
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Posted - 2012.01.08 01:50:00 -
[129] - Quote
Ira Theos wrote:As it is now, they are only receiving the other guy's money who paid for the PLEX I use. GǪwhich they wouldn't get if you were subbing and didn't provide a reason for the other guy to buy that PLEX.
So yes, they are indeed earning more money form you now than when you subbed.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Sanadras Riahn
Molten Metalworks
12
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Posted - 2012.01.08 01:51:00 -
[130] - Quote
Ira Theos wrote: As it is now, they are only receiving the other guy's money who paid for the PLEX I use.
Which costs them more money to purchase than a usual sub. So instead of getting your sub and the PLEX-purchaser's sub, they're technically getting both subs plus five additional USDs. "This is our way of wisdom, warrior. To be true. To be full. To include our hearts in every aspect of what we do. --- Let those that fly cold numbers be the Amarr. We fly better than that."---Alica Wildfire, inscribed on the inside and outer shell of Sanadras' Capsule. |
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Richter Enderas
Coronal Core Research Inc Wild-Cards
16
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Posted - 2012.01.08 02:11:00 -
[131] - Quote
I went to nullsec once.
Actually twice.
You see, I've been a carebear for as long as I played eve. I thought that I should stop being a babby pubby tearchild, and get my feet wet by doing the same 15 missions I do in empire, except out of CONCORD's protective eyes and away from the oh-so-helpful tradehubs of yonder.
First I thought, "hm, I could go to Fountain. no one really goes there, and serpentis seems pretty low-tier and such a good place to start. plus i can be a pirate pretending to be doing pirate things ps yarr"
This was the end result:
http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12069322 http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12069234
All was quiet until I ran into a blob of thirty-odd angry Russians impacting the colon of a poor TNT battlecruiser. I was unable to escape in time and as such, I became a skidmark and woke up in Essence. I saw my first bubble, and discovered the importance of keeping your clone up-to-date in addition to reading local.
This did not deter me! After some more proper research on DOTLAN, I chose (poorly) my next location: Blood Raiders, in the wonderful region of Delve. They have neat looking ships, relatively close to empire even though it really isn't that close, and they are brooding and dark and whatnot. That's cool, right?
I made it there unlike my Fountain excursion. After doing two missions (DED comes out to 0.0 to get killed? wot) I gained the ire of a European battlecruiser. Ten minutes later I was gifted with this present on the other side of the gate:
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12074985
They didn't get my pod. I discovered that "gf" does not mean "good fight" but has yet a much more colorful meaning. After a few hours not playing I decided to cut my losses and do my best to scoot back to empire in a very, very, very, very badly fitted kestrel. I ran into some more angry kids and became yet another skidmark.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12075933 http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12075932
I don't know what a banderlog is, but it killed me. RIP
This did not deter me. I managed to at least make it there in one piece, so regardless of what my next destination is I will make it and continue my progression. 0.0 was neat even though I spent most of it dying and lost far, far more than I obtained.
After I finish with my strategic cruiser training and extra jumpclone prepping, I want the LP gains, sucka.
0.0 pirate haven, we comin' for you sucka.
tl'dr op is just scurred. I went, I shot some rats, I died. I am returning.
ps i posted those lossmails manually, and I have no shame. |
Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
191
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Posted - 2012.01.08 02:45:00 -
[132] - Quote
I appreciate what you're saying and have to add: These people will never learn.
There's two devices which make fighting an absurdity, the main one being the gargantuanly unfeasible in any reality warp scrambler. You can magically intervene into the core of a ship's workings with a device that's so surgical it doesn't affect your own. Preposterous doesn't touch it. (Anyone with any sense has already left town.) But, sure enough, it's been snatched up and made the chokepoint of the entire SANDBOX game here. The crybabies that will now scream about its validity use it as a crutch (as that's all it can hope to be) but would NEVER admit they do. They've formulated their entire play style around it, and in actuality IT rules them. They don't rule it. (It's a game! It's not real life! It's a game! It's not real life. There, I made their argument for them.)
Having to yourself complete mission objectives to use a warp gate, but just anyone who comes along can use it, too, makes this feature a true object of ridicule, and makes the game ridiculous. CCP brags about no instances in the game. So...why did I have to complete a mission objective to use the gate, but the gankers didn't? (Try to make some sense when you dispute this, please. The previous arguments fall like cow patties...plop!)
Presently the low sec/null sec crowd in the main only want victims out there. They'll use their ONLY USEABLE device...hell, even draining someone's cap without draining your own at the same time is ridiculous on the face of it...and they'll use it WELL - just the way someone can use a pair of crutches well after about three weeks.
So pat yourselves on the back you mighty warriors out there. Pretend you know what you're doing. It's the law.
Anyone with a knowledge of naval warfare KNOWS the main problem is finding the enemy and pinning him down. Neither of those is certain, and when it's accomplished it's UNIQUE, and not the rule. PROVE you can actually fight. Lose the warp scrams and webefiers. Use some sort of SKILL, then brag.
I can see, OP, why you're miffed.
To her it doesn't matter much.-á It's chasms have been leapt, and she leans upon the skepticism of her chosen fate. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4299
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Posted - 2012.01.08 02:51:00 -
[133] - Quote
Vyl Vit wrote:CCP brags about no instances in the game. So...why did I have to complete a mission objective to use the gate, but the gankers didn't? What do instances have to do with it? Also: because you've already unlocked it (unless it's one of those gates where they, too, have to do so).
As for the scrambler: because history has shown that without such a mechanic, too few fights happen, which is a bad thing in a game where fights need to happen. Even so, there are still counters to it, should you be so inclinedGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
191
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Posted - 2012.01.08 02:59:00 -
[134] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Vyl Vit wrote:CCP brags about no instances in the game. So...why did I have to complete a mission objective to use the gate, but the gankers didn't? What do instances have to do with it? Also: because you've already unlocked it (unless it's one of those gates where they, too, have to do so). As for the scrambler: because history has shown that without such a mechanic, too few fights happen, which is a bad thing in a game where fights need to happen. Even so, there are still counters to it, should you be so inclinedGǪ
Again, you ably point out the obvious to which I reply, "So...?"
To her it doesn't matter much.-á It's chasms have been leapt, and she leans upon the skepticism of her chosen fate. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4301
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Posted - 2012.01.08 03:10:00 -
[135] - Quote
Vyl Vit wrote:Again, you ably point out the obvious to which I reply, "So...?" GǪso your questions have obvious answers. There's nothing preposterous, ridiculous, or even slightly odd about it.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
IGNATIUS HOOD
Zephyr Corp
256
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Posted - 2012.01.08 03:13:00 -
[136] - Quote
Valei Khurelem wrote:Jason McCoy wrote:wow blame ccp for your stupidity
another one, jeeze its friday night, and im stuck at work. Someone get me a double rum and coke plz. Okay then, how do you beat a tech 2 broadsword with a tech 1 destroyer?
Uhm. You don't. That's kind of the idea. But a Pvp fit thrasher with a MWD should be able to make it interesting.
That being said. This is a very harsh, very cold, very unforgiving game. Traveling alone cuts your margin for error to zero. It's called an MMO for a very specific reason. It's designed with cooperative play in mind. It baffles me how many people do what you did, and post what you posted. Frankly it was probably only the Broadsword you saw because thats all the guy and his friends wanted you to see. Null is the big leagues buddy they only people there are idiots like you who day trip there and the hardcore who know what they are doing. 'perfer et obdura; dolor hic tibi proderit olim'
Be patient and tough; some day this pain will be useful to you. |
Daneirkus Auralex
The Foreign Legion Test Alliance Please Ignore
17
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Posted - 2012.01.08 03:15:00 -
[137] - Quote
1. Turn 18 or older 2. Join a good corp 3. Learn how to fly your internet spaceship 4. Stop dying as much |
Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
309
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Posted - 2012.01.08 03:29:00 -
[138] - Quote
Vyl Vit wrote:Tippia wrote:Vyl Vit wrote:CCP brags about no instances in the game. So...why did I have to complete a mission objective to use the gate, but the gankers didn't? What do instances have to do with it? Also: because you've already unlocked it (unless it's one of those gates where they, too, have to do so). As for the scrambler: because history has shown that without such a mechanic, too few fights happen, which is a bad thing in a game where fights need to happen. Even so, there are still counters to it, should you be so inclinedGǪ Again, you ably point out the obvious to which I reply, "So...?"
Although I enjoy the quality and tone of your posting in this verbal written sparring of interesting ideas, I believe that the level of reasoning used to create your stance regarding the ambiguity of these two devices in a sense, and sadly, overflows into the realm of Elementary Particles.
Why? Since as Above so below, your whole point is based on an incredibly empirical stance that despite criticizing the "reality"of the current game mechanics (embodied in said modules) has no solution possible within the construement of the game itself as it is NOW.
In short, you are simply escalating the premise of your statement to a point that no matter what , you will always be able to say "So... ?". it's like a T2 version of a stubborn kid refusing to concede a point.
For your proposal and critique to have a valid resolution would require an act of such supernatural stature (removing these two modules for example) that it would simply invalide the current field of play.
it's a bit obtuse and terse, and when seeing it for that perspective, it's a SAFE assumption you can use in practically any argument WITHIN the game to leave any discussion with yourself unscathed.
There is simply no definite answer to your proposal, because the moment it's taken away (say, again, by removing said modules) the whole ground upon which you based this is gone and destroyed rendering your statement void.
Since the core play mechanic of eve is FIXED and KNOWABLE (unlike our universe, at the moment anyway, I can always hope for mankind to evolve) it's easy to foresee without any real degree of effort that the CONTINUITY OF GAME BREAKING CYLES developed by the community and userbase will present itself again. CCP has shown an incredible amount of naivete every time they release an expansion (I can't blame them, don't think any logical sane thinking person can) to realize the way the userbase will TWIST, expand and CAPITALIZE upon any quirk of a fixed mechanic.
By extrapolating from this, your stance will easily be mutated eventually by someone else to exemplify a perfect clone of your statement regarding ANY OTHER TYPE OF MECHANIC OR DEVICE.
The real force behind what you say will remain ALWAYS as MMO's are per se FINITE, they have clear limits and a fixed set of rules that CCP continually has to work UPOn them using them as a GROUND.
This my friend is the whole Issue regarding MMO Development. Most companies believe BALANCE is achieved by tuning up or down certain mechanics, where in reality, MAN, the RACE OF MAN is inherently chaotic and innovative, so BALANCE is a dream to hope for and will always be impossible to reach to a form in which a consensus of everyone involved feels satisfied.
Today your two modules, tomorrow the 3 new types of turrets, in 1 year the new mechanic that allows jumping without gates, and on and on and on.
Your stance if done innocently is unsolvable and also, like CCP"s a bit ... naive, if done intentionally it's a weak attempt at obtaining a personal iota of relevance within an enclosed frame of mind for the sake of doing it unable to be resolved by anyone but you. All of this is neither wrong nor correct, nor bad nor good, but loved to analyze your stance as it is a pretty common occurrence during psychotherapy, the point of encapsulation and the moment you can begin a small counterattack against the ego of the client to develop new strains of possible outcomes whose only purpose is HEALING.
So in short and to make this more easy
TLDR: What you propose is futile, as time and the game has proven over and over, someone somewhere will find a loophole exploitable by anyone. Removing such "perceptions of unfair advantage" only further complicate matters as there is no real solution EVER achieved. it's a never-ending cycle of thought processes that lead nowhere.
Unfortunately, I can only, like any other human being can point out certain issues, but I believe what modern MMO development needs is a new theorem and paradigm of thinking, on which instead of looking for BALANCE and raw data of most used ship/module/tactic we create a sort of Modular diagram that is able to keep a perfect geometrical form no matter what angle or side you see it... It will always be "balanced" even when pieces within the module are taken out of it or added to it. Circle thinking in design has shown to lead nowhere, as obvious as it might sound.
But that would be delving into a forbidden field and I think I might lose people at this point on what I'm trying to Imply ... Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco |
Terajima Kazumi
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
51
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Posted - 2012.01.08 03:30:00 -
[139] - Quote
Vyl Vit wrote:IAnyone with a knowledge of naval warfare KNOWS the main problem is finding the enemy and pinning him down. Neither of those is certain, and when it's accomplished it's UNIQUE, and not the rule. PROVE you can actually fight. Lose the warp scrams and webefiers. Use some sort of SKILL, then brag.
I can see, OP, why you're miffed. Aside from jumping through gates, which you shouldn't be going through without a scout unless you're in something small and fast, it's nearly impossible to get caught when you do not want to be caught (so long as you don't make a mistake). Prove you can actually survive. Use some sort of skill. Then you won't have to whine. |
Killstealing
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
328
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Posted - 2012.01.08 03:37:00 -
[140] - Quote
Ira Theos wrote:Killstealing wrote:plexing earns ccp more money than subbing No, actually they don't because if I was still paying cash instead (of buying plex with game isk I earned "ingame"), they would not only be receiving the money somebody else paid them for the PLEX, but they would be receiving my sub payment. As it is now, they are only receiving the other guy's money who paid for the PLEX I use. 6 years in eve and still no idea of how plexes work, hoo boy. Better get out, this game is not for your kind~ |
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1429
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Posted - 2012.01.08 03:48:00 -
[141] - Quote
Look at all these high sec pubbies pretending they know something about nullsec. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2012.01.08 04:39:00 -
[142] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Look at all these high sec pubbies pretending they know something about nullsec. Miss Harlot
You will find many alts posting who DO have experience of nullsec - and left.
They left because they felt they would be part of something big and fascinating when in fact they were no more than a cog in the RMT machine.
It's all a numbers game with quaint terminology such as "fight the good fight" etc... a metaphor for the lords to state "my *** is bigger than yours" as they raid someone elses turf for a totally different motive than their sheep believe.
Yes boys, fight for FREEDOM, DEMOCRACY yadda ya - TRADE and COMMERCE are in fact the motive.
To whit, the motivation for Goons taking MORE space is what? Politics? Feelgood? Breaking Eve?
Or RMT? |
Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
99
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Posted - 2012.01.08 04:54:00 -
[143] - Quote
Vyl Vit wrote: Anyone with a knowledge of naval warfare KNOWS the main problem is finding the enemy and pinning him down. Neither of those is certain, and when it's accomplished it's UNIQUE, and not the rule. PROVE you can actually fight. Lose the warp scrams and webefiers. Use some sort of SKILL, then brag.
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Real iife warfare comparisons mean nothing. The other day i was being taunted by a frigate warping off from undock and back. This is in 0.0 mind you. Found i couldn't scram the little thing, even with my sebo II scripted for sig res. Brainstorm, fit my tackler with 2 short points for a total of 4 points. Result: frigate, pod and tears due to pod being worth just under 100 m isk.
This is me bragging, by the way. Would you like to know ALL the counters to webs and scrams? Bet you would.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
191
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Posted - 2012.01.08 05:05:00 -
[144] - Quote
Chopper Rollins wrote:Vyl Vit wrote: Anyone with a knowledge of naval warfare KNOWS the main problem is finding the enemy and pinning him down. Neither of those is certain, and when it's accomplished it's UNIQUE, and not the rule. PROVE you can actually fight. Lose the warp scrams and webefiers. Use some sort of SKILL, then brag.
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Real iife warfare comparisons mean nothing. The other day i was being taunted by a frigate warping off from undock and back. This is in 0.0 mind you. Found i couldn't scram the little thing, even with my sebo II scripted for sig res. Brainstorm, fit my tackler with 2 short points for a total of 4 points. Result: frigate, pod and tears due to pod being worth just under 100 m isk. This is me bragging, by the way. Would you like to know ALL the counters to webs and scrams? Bet you would. Funny. You always say that...real life warfare...blah blah. You know WHY? 'Cause you have your CRUTCH, that's why. If you had to do it for real, your results would be palpably WORSE than the best naval commanders of history since you haven't ever DONE it and haven't got a clue HOW. Is it that difficult to figure out?
The frigate was taunting me.
Counters to web/scram are beside the point...and, look at the Goonwaffle pretending to understand something that's difficult.
To her it doesn't matter much.-á It's chasms have been leapt, and she leans upon the skepticism of her chosen fate. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1429
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Posted - 2012.01.08 05:10:00 -
[145] - Quote
met worst wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Look at all these high sec pubbies pretending they know something about nullsec. Miss Harlot You will find many alts posting who DO have experience of nullsec - and left. They left because they felt they would be part of something big and fascinating when in fact they were no more than a cog in the RMT machine. If you are in a corp or alliance where you feel like a cog in an RMT machine then leave it and join another one. Anybody who thinks that all nullsec alliances are the same is an idiot.
I'm not saying there are no bad alliances in nullsec but people who join one and get discouraged and then give up are the last people that should be commenting on the state of 0.0.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
99
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Posted - 2012.01.08 05:35:00 -
[146] - Quote
Vyl Vit wrote:Chopper Rollins wrote:Vyl Vit wrote: Anyone with a knowledge of naval warfare KNOWS the main problem is finding the enemy and pinning him down. Neither of those is certain, and when it's accomplished it's UNIQUE, and not the rule. PROVE you can actually fight. Lose the warp scrams and webefiers. Use some sort of SKILL, then brag.
.
Real iife warfare comparisons mean nothing. The other day i was being taunted by a frigate warping off from undock and back. This is in 0.0 mind you. Found i couldn't scram the little thing, even with my sebo II scripted for sig res. Brainstorm, fit my tackler with 2 short points for a total of 4 points. Result: frigate, pod and tears due to pod being worth just under 100 m isk. This is me bragging, by the way. Would you like to know ALL the counters to webs and scrams? Bet you would. Funny. You always say that...real life warfare...blah blah. You know WHY? 'Cause you have your CRUTCH, that's why. If you had to do it for real, your results would be palpably WORSE than the best naval commanders of history since you haven't ever DONE it and haven't got a clue HOW. Is it that difficult to figure out? The frigate was taunting me. Counters to web/scram are beside the point...and, look at the Goonwaffle pretending to understand something that's difficult.
If I had to do what for real? Blow up a spaceship? What the hell are you on about?
Also, you don't know me, where i've been or what i've done and you don't know null sec, so criticisms of either don't count, coming from you.
Love my scrams n webs, props to hero tackling newbs in T1 frigs that secure T2 kills.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1503
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Posted - 2012.01.08 05:52:00 -
[147] - Quote
i was solo roaming in ~MY HOUND~ and i ran into a sensor boosting hurricane. i chuckled, decloaked and started firing torps at him
he instalocked me and volleyed me with his 720s that is COMPLETELY UNFAIR aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
29
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Posted - 2012.01.08 05:57:00 -
[148] - Quote
Andski wrote:i was solo roaming in ~MY HOUND~ and i ran into a sensor boosting hurricane. i chuckled, decloaked and started firing torps at him
he instalocked me and volleyed me with his 720s that is COMPLETELY UNFAIR aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Goon
Solo
Lie |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1503
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Posted - 2012.01.08 06:00:00 -
[149] - Quote
why would I play eve online (a world-class spaceship game lol) solo when i can invite any number of my jabber bros to join me in playing eve online
answer that |
met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
29
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Posted - 2012.01.08 06:10:00 -
[150] - Quote
Andski wrote:why would I play eve online (a world-class spaceship game lol) solo when i can invite any number of my jabber bros to join me in playing eve online
answer that Derp.
Answered. |
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Mal Mandrake
Procellum Militis Veneratio
8
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Posted - 2012.01.08 06:15:00 -
[151] - Quote
This may inspire you toward PVP
Flight of Dragons |
Regam Voss
House of Voss
10
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Posted - 2012.01.08 06:41:00 -
[152] - Quote
Just wanna ask one question.
If NO ONE goes to null anymore WHY are there huge fleet fights there ALL the time?
p.s @ OP I was in null 2 days ago, know what i did when jumping into a gate camp? I turned on my MWD and left. |
Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
99
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Posted - 2012.01.08 06:53:00 -
[153] - Quote
Regam Voss wrote:Just wanna ask one question.
If NO ONE goes to null anymore WHY are there huge fleet fights there ALL the time?
p.s @ OP I was in null 2 days ago, know what i did when jumping into a gate camp? I turned on my MWD and left.
As someone who enjoys the odd gatecamp i must most vigorously protest! Use of a Microwarp drive is absurd, there's no such thing for a start, they never had them in WWII naval combat and as far as i know Admiral Nelson and Chung-Mu both had to do without them or their equivalent. Therefore anyone who uses them is incompetent in real life combat and unfairly dominant in game.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
Nyla Skin
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
63
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Posted - 2012.01.08 06:58:00 -
[154] - Quote
Valei Khurelem wrote: TLDR: I came, I saw, I got ganked, I got vindicated
No, thats not it.
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Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
767
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Posted - 2012.01.08 07:51:00 -
[155] - Quote
Valei Khurelem wrote:...assorted tears and fallacies
did it occur to you to not aggress and burn back to the gate?
now just because you have not yet learned how to do something does not mean nobody else is doing it either learn2play and you'll make less mistakes like getting killed by a broadsword and/or crying about it on the forums
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1068
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Posted - 2012.01.08 08:28:00 -
[156] - Quote
Valei Khurelem wrote:Jason McCoy wrote:wow blame ccp for your stupidity
another one, jeeze its friday night, and im stuck at work. Someone get me a double rum and coke plz. Okay then, how do you beat a tech 2 broadsword with a tech 1 destroyer?
You don't. You can't.
But my gimped exploration Cyclone has been beating Tech 2, Tech 3, blobs, carriers, you name it, for almost 3 years, flying solo in high, low, 0.0, and WH.
And I never fired a shot.
You ever meet those snacktical tactical guys, the badass recon types, who go into the field with all those machine guns, armor, and fancy gear? Ask them if you meet them. And they will tell you that the gun is for when they screw up. Their priority is not to take on the enemy platoon/battalion in the area. They have a specific mission, engage what they are after, whatever that is, and get out. If they never fire a shot, that's good, because the enemy never saw them.
You did two things wrong:
1. You didn't avoid the enemy at all costs. 2. You didn't equip for the screwup that could happen when #1 fails.
Yes, the "ganktards" who have nothing better to do than rack up the KMs are ruining the game, but they are just a little dumber than NPC drones and more predictable. You screwed the pooch and got smacked. Live with it, but figure out a way to not end up on their Killboard. That killboard is why they are out there, and staying off it is how you beat them.
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Valei Khurelem
121
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Posted - 2012.01.08 08:35:00 -
[157] - Quote
Herzog :) No troll, that is honestly the most intelligent response I've read so far.
*high fives* |
Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
76
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Posted - 2012.01.08 16:10:00 -
[158] - Quote
For 8 pages, people have been telling you to learn the game, and now cause someone is nice enough to take you by the hand and tell you nicely what has been said throughout this thread, you listen? I don't think EvE is your kind of game. I think you would have a better experience playing Hello Kitty Online, than EvE. I hear they are supper nice at teaching you how to play their game. You've got to remember that these are just simple miners. These are people of the land. The common clay of New Eden. You know... morons. |
Ocih
Space Mermaids
37
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Posted - 2012.01.08 16:29:00 -
[159] - Quote
People say stupid people play EVE and from a certain point of view, people are right.
Out of around 50 million people playing online games less than half a million were too stupid to realize the game was rigged. |
Captain Alcatraz
Douchingtons Shadow Cartel
59
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Posted - 2012.01.08 17:15:00 -
[160] - Quote
Because elite pvp |
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Sojourner Zen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.01.08 20:23:00 -
[161] - Quote
Valei Khurelem wrote: almost pathetically gankers
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1436
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Posted - 2012.01.08 20:39:00 -
[162] - Quote
Yeah gate camps are a problem. Luckily our new members get safely escorted from empire to our nullsec home. If this sounds interesting you can contact any of our fine recruiters in-game. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Killstealing
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
330
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Posted - 2012.01.08 21:16:00 -
[163] - Quote
goons have free JF service too A++++ would join again |
Ira Theos
Viziam Amarr Empire
29
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Posted - 2012.01.08 22:23:00 -
[164] - Quote
Killstealing wrote:Ira Theos wrote:Killstealing wrote:plexing earns ccp more money than subbing No, actually they don't because if I was still paying cash instead (of buying plex with game isk I earned "ingame"), they would not only be receiving the money somebody else paid them for the PLEX, but they would be receiving my sub payment. As it is now, they are only receiving the other guy's money who paid for the PLEX I use. 6 years in eve and still no idea of how plexes work, hoo boy. Better get out, this game is not for your kind~
Maybe so... but the way I play, SOMEBODY ELSE is paying for MY game, probably you, since you smell like the pay-to-win type. |
Ira Theos
Viziam Amarr Empire
29
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Posted - 2012.01.08 22:27:00 -
[165] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:met worst wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Look at all these high sec pubbies pretending they know something about nullsec. Miss Harlot You will find many alts posting who DO have experience of nullsec - and left. They left because they felt they would be part of something big and fascinating when in fact they were no more than a cog in the RMT machine. If you are in a corp or alliance where you feel like a cog in an RMT machine then leave it and join another one. Anybody who thinks that all nullsec alliances are the same is an idiot. I'm not saying there are no bad alliances in nullsec but people who join one and get discouraged and then give up are the last people that should be commenting on the state of 0.0.
Why? Because you are an idiot who thinks they are not involved in RMT? |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
204
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Posted - 2012.01.08 22:28:00 -
[166] - Quote
bad trolls uninformed opinions
welcome to eve GD |
Ira Theos
Viziam Amarr Empire
29
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Posted - 2012.01.08 22:29:00 -
[167] - Quote
met worst wrote:Andski wrote:i was solo roaming in ~MY HOUND~ and i ran into a sensor boosting hurricane. i chuckled, decloaked and started firing torps at him
he instalocked me and volleyed me with his 720s that is COMPLETELY UNFAIR aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Goon Solo Lie
Truth That! |
Ira Theos
Viziam Amarr Empire
29
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Posted - 2012.01.08 22:30:00 -
[168] - Quote
met worst wrote:Andski wrote:why would I play eve online (a world-class spaceship game lol) solo when i can invite any number of my jabber bros to join me in playing eve online
answer that Derp. Answered.
Priceless !
Well Andski, he shot you down there nicely. |
Ira Theos
Viziam Amarr Empire
29
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Posted - 2012.01.08 22:32:00 -
[169] - Quote
Regam Voss wrote:Just wanna ask one question.
If NO ONE goes to null anymore WHY are there huge fleet fights there ALL the time?
p.s @ OP I was in null 2 days ago, know what i did when jumping into a gate camp? I turned on my MWD and left.
You haven't been paying attention. They are there working as peasant farmers defending their overlords RMT Plantations. |
Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
197
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Posted - 2012.01.08 22:40:00 -
[170] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Vyl Vit wrote:Again, you ably point out the obvious to which I reply, "So...?" GǪso your questions have obvious answers. There's nothing preposterous, ridiculous, or even slightly odd about it. Then....you must be a user.
To her it doesn't matter much.-á It's chasms have been leapt, and she leans upon the skepticism of her chosen fate. |
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Killstealing
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
331
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Posted - 2012.01.08 22:47:00 -
[171] - Quote
Ira Theos wrote:Killstealing wrote:Ira Theos wrote:Killstealing wrote:plexing earns ccp more money than subbing No, actually they don't because if I was still paying cash instead (of buying plex with game isk I earned "ingame"), they would not only be receiving the money somebody else paid them for the PLEX, but they would be receiving my sub payment. As it is now, they are only receiving the other guy's money who paid for the PLEX I use. 6 years in eve and still no idea of how plexes work, hoo boy. Better get out, this game is not for your kind~ Maybe so... but the way I play, SOMEBODY ELSE is paying for MY game, probably you, since you smell like the pay-to-win type. m8 i dont even log in |
Killstealing
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
331
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Posted - 2012.01.08 22:48:00 -
[172] - Quote
and with this i proclaim this thread 'dumb'
well done O P |
Killstealing
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
331
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Posted - 2012.01.08 22:49:00 -
[173] - Quote
wait I need this 3rd post to one-up that guy |
Regam Voss
House of Voss
10
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Posted - 2012.01.08 23:34:00 -
[174] - Quote
Chopper Rollins wrote:Regam Voss wrote:Just wanna ask one question.
If NO ONE goes to null anymore WHY are there huge fleet fights there ALL the time?
p.s @ OP I was in null 2 days ago, know what i did when jumping into a gate camp? I turned on my MWD and left. As someone who enjoys the odd gatecamp i must most vigorously protest! Use of a Microwarp drive is absurd, there's no such thing for a start, they never had them in WWII naval combat and as far as i know Admiral Nelson and Chung-Mu both had to do without them or their equivalent. Therefore anyone who uses them is incompetent in real life combat and unfairly dominant in game.
sry, ill take my MWD off and never put another one on. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1436
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Posted - 2012.01.08 23:37:00 -
[175] - Quote
Ira Theos wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:met worst wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Look at all these high sec pubbies pretending they know something about nullsec. Miss Harlot You will find many alts posting who DO have experience of nullsec - and left. They left because they felt they would be part of something big and fascinating when in fact they were no more than a cog in the RMT machine. If you are in a corp or alliance where you feel like a cog in an RMT machine then leave it and join another one. Anybody who thinks that all nullsec alliances are the same is an idiot. I'm not saying there are no bad alliances in nullsec but people who join one and get discouraged and then give up are the last people that should be commenting on the state of 0.0. Why? Because you are an idiot who thinks they are not involved in RMT? Do you have any evidence of anybody involved in RMT? Or are you just spreading vicious rumors?
By the way, which horrible nullsec alliance did you used to belong to.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Ursula LeGuinn
13
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Posted - 2012.01.08 23:52:00 -
[176] - Quote
Who cares what nullsec alliances do with their ISK? If the fatcats are selling off some of their alliance's ISK at shady websites in exchange for real cash, the effect on everyone else is completely negligible. The type of players who're likely to buy dirty ISK are carebears who want to slather their CNR or Golem in officer mods. That dirty ISK would then go right back to 0.0, since that's where high-end officer mods come from. Essentially, then, these alleged RMT'ers are directly selling high-end modules to carebears.
That's a gross oversimplification, but the point is it doesn't have some massively huge impact on the game. Once ISK is created, it's in the game permanently aside from ISK sinks that whittle away at the sum total (or unless CCP bayleets it); once officer mods are dropped, they're in the game until they're destroyed. You can't magically create more of either besides what people are already doing.
And if these very visible alliances are RMT'ing their ISK, then either CCP is turning a blind eye, they're terrible at monitoring high-profile corporate wallets, or the RMT'ers are very, very good at laundering the ISK. Either way, this game is almost nine years old now, so if the possibility pisses you off you really should just stop playing because it's never going to be fixed.
"RMT plantations" is really nothing more than a useless insult, because it doesn't matter. Even if true (and I'll admit that where Russians are concerned, anything is possible, since even today the average Russian's salary is ~1/5th that of an American; then again, they can buy PLEX with ISK), it doesn't make a damned bit of difference to complainers.
Yes these massive alliances are firmly entrenched, no you can't dislodge them short of a miracle and a lot of very dedicated and organized pilots, and that's just how it is. Gotta play by the rules. |
Regam Voss
House of Voss
10
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Posted - 2012.01.09 01:30:00 -
[177] - Quote
you guys are so dumb. not even close to the OPs topic. just a bunch of whining |
Mortimer Civeri
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2012.01.09 01:45:00 -
[178] - Quote
Regam Voss wrote:you guys are so dumb. not even close to the OPs topic. just a bunch of whining
When the Original posters topic is a crybaby rant about how unfair it was for him to be ganked by a Broadsword in his Thrasher, I'd say the thread was derailed from the start.
That which does not kill you, makes you stronger.-á Friedrich Nietzsche
That which does not kill you, hurts like hell.-á UNKNOWN |
Bootleg Jack
Potters Field
15
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Posted - 2012.01.09 01:49:00 -
[179] - Quote
OP, if you want to play alone why are you playing a multi-player game?
duh
Make friends or die.
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Cyzlaki
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
173
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Posted - 2012.01.09 02:48:00 -
[180] - Quote
Confirming people don't ever go to 0.0 because they are dumb |
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1449
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Posted - 2012.01.09 03:22:00 -
[181] - Quote
Regam Voss wrote:you guys are so dumb. not even close to the OPs topic. just a bunch of whining The OP was stupid in how he tried to go to nullsec. There's not much more that needs to be said.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
198
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Posted - 2012.01.09 09:38:00 -
[182] - Quote
Terajima Kazumi wrote:Vyl Vit wrote:IAnyone with a knowledge of naval warfare KNOWS the main problem is finding the enemy and pinning him down. Neither of those is certain, and when it's accomplished it's UNIQUE, and not the rule. PROVE you can actually fight. Lose the warp scrams and webefiers. Use some sort of SKILL, then brag.
I can see, OP, why you're miffed. Aside from jumping through gates, which you shouldn't be going through without a scout unless you're in something small and fast, it's nearly impossible to get caught when you do not want to be caught (so long as you don't make a mistake). Prove you can actually survive. Use some sort of skill. Then you won't have to whine. Uh...I have no problem whatever transversing the great expanse of EVE, crutches on the gates, or no. I have a handful of well-equipped ships, and a few tricks of my own. I go where I want, when I want. I guess that's called "surviving." Whining? Nice try. No cigar.
To her it doesn't matter much.-á It's chasms have been leapt, and she leans upon the skepticism of her chosen fate. |
knobber Jobbler
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
21
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Posted - 2012.01.09 11:40:00 -
[183] - Quote
Valei Khurelem wrote:I guess I have a billion ISK to grind then so I can afford some mercenaries.
Don't pay mercs, join a corp and learn the ropes, do the killing yourself. There are plenty of newbie freindly 0.0 based corps out there who'll take anyone so long as they can fly hero tackle and a cane or drake. |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
469
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Posted - 2012.01.09 12:18:00 -
[184] - Quote
Messoroz wrote:1. It's a fudging thrasher, you should be far faster than a single broadsword 2. If you travel in 0.0 without a burner of some kind, YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG 3. Most frigs and sometimes destroyers can easily just burn back to gate and jump back out of the gate they spawned on when running into camps, this is a valid tactic assuming the campers shoot at you and aggress themselves meaning they can't jump for a minute. This also assumes you weren't stupid enough to shoot as well. AND it assumes you are properly fit.
The problem isn't an balancing issue, IT'S AN INTELLIGENCE ISSUE. I suggest reading some guides/tips/how tos on how to properly traverse null sec.
This pretty much, charging somebody when you can outrun them makes you this guy when you should be these guys. - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
Kestrix
Industrial Renaissance MinTek Conglomerate
3
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Posted - 2012.01.09 12:50:00 -
[185] - Quote
Valei Khurelem wrote:I was trying to get to a 0.0 agent that I wanted to do missions for, feel free to tell me an ideal way that doesn't involve millions of ISK loss?
If you suspect their are people in the next system, next time don't go through anyway... wait, make a safe spot, log off and come back later. Check your map for intel, it will tell you the number of ship/pod kills in the next system during the last hour/day also the amount of traffic moving through it. Perhaps get an alt to act as a scout? My advise is to do missions in Hi-sec till you are doing lvl 4's ok, this will provide you with more than enough isk to start risking vessels in 0.0 If I was going to do what you want to do I would use a T3. Properly fit you have a good chance of suviving (evading) a gate camp and being able to complete the mission. |
Signal11th
402
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Posted - 2012.01.09 13:13:00 -
[186] - Quote
As anyone who knows me will tell you when it comes to PVP I'm pretty much at the lower end of the PVP genetic pool. You talking to a guy who randomly warped to a safe spot only to land in the middle of a neut fleet, now the odds of that are mindblowing.
I'll attest that many times a lower skille dplayer can quite easily kick a more mature players arse.
Take it like real life, What would you expect if you hung around somebodies neighbourhood looking all suspect and trying to enter various houses? Your going to find yourself on the bad side of a can of whoop-ass (as our esteemed American bretheren say)
You need to think things through with EVE, even though you think what you are doing is easy or simple, EVE has a great way of telling you it isn't, usually this means a firery death and much laughter!
Get used to losing ships it's one thing that's constant in EVE
God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!"-á I came second and won a toaster. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
409
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Posted - 2012.01.09 14:15:00 -
[187] - Quote
OP - group + scouts. This is a multi-player game. Ideas and stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. |
Elessa Enaka
State War Academy Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2012.01.09 14:21:00 -
[188] - Quote
knobber Jobbler wrote:Valei Khurelem wrote:I guess I have a billion ISK to grind then so I can afford some mercenaries. Don't pay mercs, join a corp and learn the ropes, do the killing yourself. There are plenty of newbie freindly 0.0 based corps out there who'll take anyone so long as they can fly hero tackle and a cane or drake.
Hero tackle? Is that what you kids are calling suicide tackles now? Devour to survive, so it is, so it's always been |
Wacktopia
Noir.
138
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Posted - 2012.01.09 14:57:00 -
[189] - Quote
Valei Khurelem wrote:You're right, EVE is for cowards.
No, I'm right. EVE is for: cowards, heroes, leaders, followers, thieves, bandits, pirates, assassins, spies, saboteurs, kings, queens, philanthropists, cowboys, indians, winners and losers. . |
Mocam
EVE University Ivy League
96
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Posted - 2012.01.09 14:59:00 -
[190] - Quote
Valei Khurelem wrote:Jason McCoy wrote:wow blame ccp for your stupidity
another one, jeeze its friday night, and im stuck at work. Someone get me a double rum and coke plz. Okay then, how do you beat a tech 2 broadsword with a tech 1 destroyer?
Beat? Hell, you run - generally to the closest exit. That thing has a battleship class tank on it. Firepower probably sucks wind but can hit anything from a frigate up through a capital ship.
You're running a T1 destroyer - probably with a char that can "barely fly it ok" against a pilot with at the minimum 3 skills at level 5, in a cruiser that is designed to survive tackling a carrier long enough for a gang to beat it... And you expect to fight that with your little destroyer?
Time to get a clue. A rock like that isn't going to go pop to your little guns but you sure as hell will get eaten if you stick around long enough for it to chew through you.
I disagree with a lot of the other assessments here.
You CAN fly anywhere you want in this game but you do so with caution and/or with friends. WIthout either - a soloing thrasher pilot? You are going to get eaten badly in such places unless you AVOID dangerous situations. Those who solo there tend to be much higher skilled than you are - both SP wise, as well as practical hands-on PvP.
Old joke about learning to PvP in this game: 1. Learn to run. 2. Learn when to run. 3. Learn to fight.
As you get better at the game, you will do better but expecting to step in and run all by yourself against any other ship you bump into isn't bright. If you were with 10 friends, that pilot would have been aligned and ready to jump in seconds. Instead - you played right into his hands and that isn't a problem with the game, that's a problem with your expectations.
If you want to PvP - make friends. Otherwise - expect to die a lot until you build up a LOT of skills, generally with a hell of a lot of losses as you learn. |
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Misina Arlath
Sinister Elite
0
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Posted - 2012.01.09 15:46:00 -
[191] - Quote
Personally I never much liked lag-fest fleetfights and the drama of nullsec.
But as far as avoiding the gatecamps and so on it's honestly not very difficult. As suggested, you can slam the MWD or the AB and race back to gate, then jump back into high/low sec where you have Concord / gate guns to help you.
Or you can send in a scout, i.e. an alt with no training, implants or anything but a shuttle. Then you know for certain what's behind a gate, unless they are cloaked, but then again you can see who is in local at least.
Optionally, you can use the starmap and the filter settings to display amount of ships jumping through a system, how many were destroyed in the last half hour, hour or longer as well as the amount of pods destroyed. Obviously, any system with several ships and/or pods destroyed should be avoided or at the very minimum be scouted before you jump in your main character/ship.
Also, you can equip warpcore stabilizers en masse if you are worried about being scrambled. As long as your goal is only to get from A to B, then you don't need anything other than being able to GTFO. A frigate or destroyer should align fast enough that you can warp out before taking any, or at least significant damage.
Unless, of course, they are sniping you from way back and actually lockon fast enough to get a volley off.
So, briefly summed up.
1) Burn back to gate 2) Send in alt to scout 3) Use starmap to check for activity along your planned route 4) Use stabs when crossing dangerous systems 5) Combination of all the above
Failing to do any of these, and just hoping your destroyer with (most likely) subpar training will be sufficient to keep you safe, well... it's just a sad fact that you had it comming. If not that day, it would have happened any other day when you are jumping blind into places where everyone (and you do get a huge warning plastered in your face when you try to jump to low/null) knows how dangerous it is.
PvP is not dead.
Solo-PvP is, arguably, alot less common. While the prospect of being a lone wolf flying around space just like good old Wing Commander and such sounds appealing and fun, it's neither safe nor recommended (especially not for newer players). Also, it's 100% guaranteed that sooner or later you will lose your ship and might even lose the pod. That's the simple rule of PvP and anyone wanting to do PvP need to face the fact that:
You WILL lose your ship at some point.
Sooner or later someone has a better ship, have just the fittings that counter yours, they are in a bigger gang or otherwise will destroy you. You can call it unfair and cry wolf and broken game as much as you want, but it's a simple fact in any PvP game (especially so in EVE).
People who do work together, in corps, gangs and so on are of course rewarded. I'm not really sure it should be called a reward to have an advantage if you take the time to organize and work together. Afterall, it is an MMO and teamwork should be obvious, at least if you want to get anywhere relatively safely.
Otherwise, go ahead and attempt to solo pirate (there are those that do it successfully). However, never think you are invincible.
Also... just for any new players reading this... bigger is not always better in EVE. A pack of cruisers or battlecruisers can easily defeat a battleship, despite it being a larger shipclass. I know this is obvious to most EVE players, but there are those out there that still think they will be safe as long as the ship is big enough.
Anyways... bottom line though... if you don't like the flow of the game, I guess it's not the game for you. CCP won't change the entire game structure at the whim of one lazy player who failed to scout his route. |
Fidelium Mortis
Quantum Cats Syndicate
20
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Posted - 2012.01.09 16:10:00 -
[192] - Quote
Traveling in 0.0 can be done relatively safely even through gate camps but a thrasher is probably one of the worst choices that could be made. I would recommend doing a bit more homework and look into something that will survive bubbles (super fast or cloaky), and also read up on bubble mechanics and common tactics. ICRS - Intergalactic Certified Rocket Surgeon |
Barakkus
1480
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Posted - 2012.01.09 16:18:00 -
[193] - Quote
Some tips for the OP.
1. When you know the other side of the gate is probably going to have someone waiting, hold your gate cloak until you decloak on your own. Don't move or anything else, just sit there until your cloak drops. You need to wait out the session change in this manner otherwise you will not be able to jump through the gate right away.
2. Lock up the other person to get him to aggress you, DO NOT FIRE ON HIM. If you do anything to aggress your attacker you will not be able to jump the gate right away.
3. Once he has aggressed, burn for the gate and jump through. You may or may not make it, you may get bumped off before making it back to the gate, but there is a good possibility in a small ship like that if you have a mwd that you will make it through. He won't be able to follow you right away due to having aggression. Hope there is no one left on the other side waiting to catch you when you jump back through. http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc |
Dr Karsun
Coffee Lovers Brewing Club Care Factor
95
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Posted - 2012.01.09 16:21:00 -
[194] - Quote
Valei Khurelem wrote:I was trying to get to a 0.0 agent that I wanted to do missions for, feel free to tell me an ideal way that doesn't involve millions of ISK loss?
Getting to a 0.0 agent is easy... Take a bomber or even just a cov ops frig with a cloak and just go. It's not likely anyone will manage to catch you on the way, unless it's really a huge gang with interceptors to decloak you.
It's the survival during the mission you want to run that is a problem.
But my recipe -> if you can't beat them, join them. And if you can't join them, join their big brother / their enemy. Someone will take you under their wings and allow you to kick ass. It's not like people don't want active members, they do! But it's actually hard to find noob players who'd just like to join a 0.0 corp with 0.0 space of their own to rat AND join their pvp ops, even if those ops are only on weekends. "Have you had your morning coffee?" -> the Coffee Lovers Brewing Club is recruiting! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=363976#post363976 |
Sascha der Kriegfisch
Caldakhan Holding Inc.
0
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Posted - 2012.01.09 16:52:00 -
[195] - Quote
10 pages of Obvious Troll Feeding? Seriously?
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Ira Theos
Viziam Amarr Empire
30
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Posted - 2012.01.09 17:13:00 -
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Dr Karsun wrote:Valei Khurelem wrote:I was trying to get to a 0.0 agent that I wanted to do missions for, feel free to tell me an ideal way that doesn't involve millions of ISK loss? Getting to a 0.0 agent is easy... Take a bomber or even just a cov ops frig with a cloak and just go. It's not likely anyone will manage to catch you on the way, unless it's really a huge gang with interceptors to decloak you. It's the survival during the mission you want to run that is a problem. But my recipe -> if you can't beat them, join them. And if you can't join them, join their big brother / their enemy. Someone will take you under their wings and allow you to kick ass. It's not like people don't want active members, they do! But it's actually hard to find noob players who'd just like to join a 0.0 corp with 0.0 space of their own to rat AND join their pvp ops, even if those ops are only on weekends.
1)You CAN'T beat them, your ONLY choice is to join them.
2) Yeah, we know, it's really hard to find good slaves these days.
What an exciting prospect for a new subscriber! How totally unappealing.
That is exactly what is preventing Eve from growing in subscription numbers. |
Ptraci
StoneWall Metals Productions Bloodbound.
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Posted - 2012.01.09 19:55:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote: people go on being in denial about the glaring problems with it? :P
Yes EVE has glaring problems, however your post fails to describe one.
0.0 space has value because it is protected, divided up and alleigance is enforced. If anyone was allowed to putter around in null-sec and mine the good ore, farm the good anomalies, etc, then what would be the value? What would be the challenge? None. You would just have to point and click on the map, set the autopilot and you are there.
No, null sec is absolutely unapproachable for the single player except if you have your eyes open all the time, have a cloaking device and only make temporary visits. You need teamwork to hold and take advantage of null-sec and this is by design. Empire can be the single player version of EVE if you want it that way, but not null-sec.
Therefore get yourself in an alliance or at least a decent roaming gang and you will stop having these troubles. EVE is not the problem here - you are expecting something from the game that it was not designed for. |
Leeroy McJenkins
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.09 20:53:00 -
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Ira Theos wrote:
1)You CAN'T beat them, your ONLY choice is to join them.
2) Yeah, we know, it's really hard to find good slaves these days.
What an exciting prospect for a new subscriber! How totally unappealing.
That is exactly what is preventing Eve from growing in subscription numbers.
1) I don't see anything wrong with this option.
2) This is true.
Confirming the only way run EVE is to turn it into a WOW space clone for kids with ADD, because you have to be nice to kids with ADD.
Also confirming that higher subs should always be the overriding priority, original vision and goals are overrated. It is always the wiser choice to sell out and go with the flow. |
FeralShadow
CenGen Armament
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Posted - 2012.01.09 21:42:00 -
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Quote:I totally understand your frustration if it's real, you are accustomed to playing games a CERTAIN way where you are the Dovahkiin of Legend and you kill dragons by FOS RUH DA'ing them over edges and you have 100 in all skills and you are oh so special and no matter what you do endless hordes of npcs will say you are so awesome and oyu can marry them and they will love you in pxelated polygon love for ever as the world is loaded in your ram , but then you come into eve and right away take an arrow in the knee and you realize you are just another guy in a weird sandlot full of cat crap, bullies, midgets, and the center is full of nice people only because there's a sandguardian, but the edges have all manners of weirdos and wig wearing transvestites.
Omfg i didn't read many of the rest of the posts, this post made me laugh so freaking hard I couldn't see straight and people all over the room were looking at me weird. I just have to say bravo sir you have won the internets for at least a week. |
Karash Amerius
Sutoka
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Posted - 2012.01.09 22:35:00 -
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Props goes to the OP who got 10 pages trollin... |
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
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Posted - 2012.01.10 00:53:00 -
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No one goes into 0.0 anymore.
Its too crowded. CCP employees should never proclaim a feature to be awesome. Only subscribers should. Subscribers can never answer a question posed to CCP. Only CCP can. |
Ira Theos
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.01.10 03:59:00 -
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Leeroy McJenkins wrote:Ira Theos wrote:
1)You CAN'T beat them, your ONLY choice is to join them.
2) Yeah, we know, it's really hard to find good slaves these days.
What an exciting prospect for a new subscriber! How totally unappealing.
That is exactly what is preventing Eve from growing in subscription numbers.
1) I don't see anything wrong with this option. 2) This is true. Confirming the only way run EVE is to turn it into a WOW space clone for kids with ADD, because you have to be nice to kids with ADD. Also confirming that higher subs should always be the overriding priority, original vision and goals are overrated. It is always the wiser choice to sell out and go with the flow.
Any pilot choosing #1 shouldn't log on in the first place. They aren't even playing Eve. They are just poorly paid human bots.
Confirming that Leeroy thinks that providing game mechanics that ensure entrenched, unassailable, empires in Zero makes for good game experience. (Remember, the Goons never beat BOB, as BOB enjoyed the same unassailability and was betrayed from the inside, as were other large established groups.) What's wrong with this model is it is too favorable to metagaming "clubs" who can win through sheer numbers and RMT businesses who, if not curtailed, simply buy their way into the game, excluding gamers that don't fit their "renter" marketing model. If winning the sovereignty war in Zero is merely a question of who brings the largest metagame "club" to the table, then all the mechanics rules in Eve are irrelevent, and there is no point to even playing Eve.
He also regularly gambles in Casinos where all the tables are crooked, the dice loaded, cards marked, and the House Dealers hold all the aces. You see, Leeroy only considers it a "challenge" when it is impossible to win. Maybe the fact that Leeroy Deals for the House explains this?
The difference between you and I , Leeroy, is that I don't think new players come to Eve to work as RMT bots. As for the Goons, we all know they came to disrupt and destroy Eve and they have achieved that quite handily, I'll grant you that. |
Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2012.01.10 05:37:00 -
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OP: Well done on a solid successful troll. |
Eta Carinai
Xujar
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Posted - 2012.01.10 05:44:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:It really doesn't, but thanks for the advice and opinion.
You should meet other players in game and learn from them and make a corp or join a corp. Just like in real life no one can get anywhere very fare all alone. Take that in mind when your trying to learn something new. |
Grog Barrel
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.01.10 07:41:00 -
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is there any TL;DR version of this? |
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