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Roosterton
Shattered Star Exiles SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2012.01.07 06:29:00 -
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Quote:The problem here is simple, CCP have created a game based around ganking, but made it impossible for people to run away, you say run away but if the ship is far more superior and they're even given essentially an "IWIN" button ( the scrambler ) how the hell do you expect noobs to get anywhere near 0.0 space or do anything out of high security for that matter? Or at all be viable in PvP in any way if gankers are determined enough to go after them?
You have plenty of options.
1) Use cloaky ships, or even normal ships with cloak+mwd. This alone will make your travel much, much safer. 2) Make friends. EVE is an MMO, it isn't meant to be played solo. These friends can scout for you, back you up if you get into trouble, kill people so that they won't be a threat later, etc. 3) Get permission from the people who killed you to run missions in their space. Get to know them a bit, maybe join their corp if you really like them. Most people in 0.0 aren't really that bad. 4) Get a bigger, stronger ship. If they still attack you, you'll have a fighting chance, or they might not attack you at all if you won't be easy prey. |
Jovan Geldon
SniggWaffe EVE Corporation 123566322353
278
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Posted - 2012.01.07 08:14:00 -
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That was an awful lot of words you used to tell us that you're terrible at EVE, and also severely mentally deficient to boot |
Covert Kitty
SRS Industries SRS.
126
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Posted - 2012.01.07 09:00:00 -
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Prop mods (usually microwarp) are almost always mandatory in pvp. Sounds like you had one, but choose to aggress an opponent you would obviously not win against. The correct move would have been to burn back to the gate and jump without agress.
90% of pvp in eve is what happens before the fight, not during. Like chess, if you moved a pawn, uncovered, into the sights of a rook, it's not the game's fault that you loose it on your opponents turn. Eve works in a very similar way, it's all about knowing what counters what. What fittings, ranges, weapons, damage types, etc are likely to be strong against your opponent, and also recognizing your own ships abilities, knowing when to run.
Nullsec is perfectly viable for solo pvp and pve. Stealth bombers are a simple and obvious choice for ratting for example, its a fantastic way of getting your sec standing up. Just the other day I left Amarr in a hurricane on what I thought would be a solo suicide roam. Flew 100 some jumps around nullsec, eventually killed a vagabond deep in Russian space and returned safely back to Amarr :D
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Killer Gandry
Shadow of the Pain
24
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Posted - 2012.01.07 09:01:00 -
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If you fly an inferior ship with inferior skills, equipement and tactics then why should you be rewarded for that?
Your mistakes are as follows.
No research. No plan. No tactics. No idea what you are doing. Posting the whole concept on the forums.
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Thredd Necro
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
108
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Posted - 2012.01.07 09:01:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:I voluntarily approached an AEGIS Cruiser in my rubber dinghy and the cruiser blew me out of the water and there was nothing I could do about it.
You might have had a chance at escape if you had JATO units on your dinghy, but I think the best advice is that of Mr Miyagi:
"Best defense: No be there."
What is the true point of this post?
Here's to fire. Not the fast and furious kind that burns down shacks and shanties, but the slow, seductive kind that takes down pants and panties. - Irish toast |
Halcyon Ingenium
Infomorph Research and Technology
120
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Posted - 2012.01.07 09:23:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:
You're right, EVE is for cowards.
And there you have it ladies and gentlemen. Yet one more anecdote for the record that shows that the born loser will always resort to the moral victory when the actual victory is denied him. He could take his licks and maybe learn from them and get better. But instead he has opted for the eternal moral victory which requires no more effort, no self overcoming.
Moral victory = Slavery
Have fun with that.
That which always was, and is, and will be everlasting fire, the same for all, the cosmos, made neither by god nor man, replenishes in measure as it burns away. -Heraclitus |
Cybele Lanier
Viziam Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2012.01.07 10:57:00 -
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Brujo Loco wrote:I totally understand your frustration if it's real, you are accustomed to playing games a CERTAIN way where you are the Dovahkiin of Legend and you kill dragons by FOS RUH DA'ing them over edges and you have 100 in all skills and you are oh so special and no matter what you do endless hordes of npcs will say you are so awesome and oyu can marry them and they will love you in pxelated polygon love for ever as the world is loaded in your ram , but then you come into eve and right away take an arrow in the knee and you realize you are just another guy in a weird sandlot full of cat crap, bullies, midgets, and the center is full of nice people only because there's a sandguardian, but the edges have all manners of weirdos and wig wearing transvestites.
So Hi Sec is the most close thing to an experience like that where you are somewhat safe, you can mine, mission run and hate people for wanting to violence you ship when all you want is do missions for a pirate faction known for extorsion, murder, racketeering and profiteering and the only thing between you and them is a bunch of people that came into a zone and said "THIS CRAP IS MINE" and don't let you pass through it because they can't understand they are killing pvp and eve is wrong so wrong, perhaps because they use transvestite wigs and high heels, who knows?
So yes, eve is wrong.
No
EVE just is. The only strange thing here is the wig wearing transvestites at the edge of the sandlot that is peed and po'od upon and you want to go there and be free and roam carelessly in the winds. But that's how it is. It's an utter monstrosity of a hodgepodge of people that created an artificial set of rules and yes, those rules sometimes totally suck but that's how things are.
But if EVE removed the Sandguardian Police at the center of the lot everyone would leave and eve would die, because all the midgets and weirdos would love to just grief the others, and not for being great or normal, simply because they are midgets and wig wearing transvestites that just want to dance instead of paying the bills to the pimps that live at the edges of the sandlot.
So stop pretending you are not a wig wearing trans or a midget or a weirdo, we all are here in the sandlot, the thing just boils down to the issue of you wanting to dance for free and for love to the art or you just want to dance and pay the pimps and belong to a nightclub instead of doing it in the communal YMCA abandoned lot at the center where no one cares
Who else thinks that CCP should get this guy to narrate the game intro instead of Aura? |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
489
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Posted - 2012.01.07 11:04:00 -
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oh noes... |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations
181
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Posted - 2012.01.07 11:20:00 -
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TRoll ,
Sorry but my brain is telling me NO ONE can be that stupid , narrowminded and blind to the obvious.It is IMPOSSIBLE. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
174
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Posted - 2012.01.07 11:31:00 -
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To the OP:
You just learned how EVE is not about being free, but about doing what the rules allow you to do, which can be summarized as: bully or unsuscribe. |
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Pinaculus
Insanely Twisted
129
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Posted - 2012.01.07 11:34:00 -
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So...you're mad because you lost a Thrasher? You do know that Destroyers are held together by paper mache and hope, right? And they're extremely cheap. And they're insurable for full value (minus modules).
You even said in your initial post that you purposefully budgeted a certain amount because you were pretty sure you would die.
Well, you died and didn't lose much. Congrats. Your plan worked! Successful risk management!
Next time fly something with enough tank and speed to make it back to the gate without dying. I hear Drakes and Hurricanes are good for that. I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs. |
Miss Whippy
Bloody Limeys
4
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Posted - 2012.01.07 11:40:00 -
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Obvious Troll is obvious. How can so many people fall for it?
Noobs |
Tore Vest
Vikinghall
132
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Posted - 2012.01.07 11:56:00 -
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Stay in highsec. Its nothing to see out in low/null.... other than big blobs and gatecampers with mids full of sensorboosters |
Ghoest
239
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Posted - 2012.01.07 12:34:00 -
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@ OP
1 I spend a great deal of time in in 0.0 particularly in NPC pirate space. 2 I dont gank people. 3 You are a clueless noob.
Seriously if this is how you perceived your visit to 0.0 you should never leave high sec. You clearly are not up to understanding the rather simple dynamics of 0.0
On the other hand maybe its an 8/10. Wherever You Went - Here You Are |
Pinaculus
Insanely Twisted
129
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Posted - 2012.01.07 13:58:00 -
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Miss Whippy wrote:Obvious Troll is obvious. How can so many people fall for it?
Noobs Of course it's an obvious troll, but it has also spurred an interesting conversation about tactics for navigating through null. The conversation could prove useful to new players that aren't crybabies. I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs. |
Riedle
Paradox Collective Choke Point
54
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Posted - 2012.01.07 14:49:00 -
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good God I hope this a troll
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4295
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Posted - 2012.01.07 15:20:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:So let me get this straight, because I have less ISK than the other guy, I should run away from him ( which I tried to do ) No. Rather, because he is in a more expensive ship than you, you should come to the conclusion that he didn't pay all that extra ISK just to pay extra ISK, but rather because it would buy him some kind of additional abilities. It's those additional abilities you need to be wary about and run away from. In this case, he bought the ability of a silly large tank and improved tackling abilities.
Oh, and no, you didn't try to run away GÇö you GÇ£tried charging him and got only one shot offGÇ¥, which sealed your fate. By the sound of it, you also came very ill equipped for the both tasks, running away and attacking.
Quote:if we take the scrambler out of the equation then what do I do if he has two other of his buddies waiting at the other gate for me with equally powerful ships? Bring 4, 5, 10 friends and blow them up. Numbers count for a lot GÇö ISK and SP far less.
Quote:It's amazing how people actually think this game is balanced Well, you haven't really presented a strong case for why it isn't balanced. Most people around here are aware of balancing issues, but they are between races and between hull/weapon design principle. Your scenario has very little to do with balance, and a lot to do with making bad decisions while/such as using suboptimal equipment for the task at hand. Oh, and running away is very much possible, you just need to learn howGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Othran
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
126
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Posted - 2012.01.07 15:32:00 -
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Riedle wrote:good God I hope this a troll
I don't believe it is as he's complaining on other threads about CCP fanboys defending the game.
He's just one of the many instant gratification people who visit Eve and leave. The point at which you should panic is when CCP listens to people like this. |
Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
328
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Posted - 2012.01.07 16:14:00 -
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eve pvp is pretty bad. I just play to become space rich. WH/pve/trading/exploration is all i really do. If i want to pvp i play BF3 or world of tanks. |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
286
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Posted - 2012.01.07 16:37:00 -
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Cybele Lanier wrote:Brujo Loco wrote:I totally understand your frustration if it's real, you are accustomed to playing games a CERTAIN way where you are the Dovahkiin of Legend and you kill dragons by FOS RUH DA'ing them over edges and you have 100 in all skills and you are oh so special and no matter what you do endless hordes of npcs will say you are so awesome and oyu can marry them and they will love you in pxelated polygon love for ever as the world is loaded in your ram , but then you come into eve and right away take an arrow in the knee and you realize you are just another guy in a weird sandlot full of cat crap, bullies, midgets, and the center is full of nice people only because there's a sandguardian, but the edges have all manners of weirdos and wig wearing transvestites.
So Hi Sec is the most close thing to an experience like that where you are somewhat safe, you can mine, mission run and hate people for wanting to violence you ship when all you want is do missions for a pirate faction known for extorsion, murder, racketeering and profiteering and the only thing between you and them is a bunch of people that came into a zone and said "THIS CRAP IS MINE" and don't let you pass through it because they can't understand they are killing pvp and eve is wrong so wrong, perhaps because they use transvestite wigs and high heels, who knows?
So yes, eve is wrong.
No
EVE just is. The only strange thing here is the wig wearing transvestites at the edge of the sandlot that is peed and po'od upon and you want to go there and be free and roam carelessly in the winds. But that's how it is. It's an utter monstrosity of a hodgepodge of people that created an artificial set of rules and yes, those rules sometimes totally suck but that's how things are.
But if EVE removed the Sandguardian Police at the center of the lot everyone would leave and eve would die, because all the midgets and weirdos would love to just grief the others, and not for being great or normal, simply because they are midgets and wig wearing transvestites that just want to dance instead of paying the bills to the pimps that live at the edges of the sandlot.
So stop pretending you are not a wig wearing trans or a midget or a weirdo, we all are here in the sandlot, the thing just boils down to the issue of you wanting to dance for free and for love to the art or you just want to dance and pay the pimps and belong to a nightclub instead of doing it in the communal YMCA abandoned lot at the center where no one cares Who else thinks that CCP should get this guy to narrate the game intro instead of Aura?
People should be forced to read and agree to this instead of the EULA. |
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Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
74
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Posted - 2012.01.07 17:02:00 -
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Some observations:
1. You did not properly asses the danger you were about to face.(still blindly forging ahaead when you knew something was up)
2. You did not properly asses the capabilities of both ships.(yours and his)
3. Your decisions were poor, the whole way through, and got you killed.
4. You rant about it here, blubbering about how unfair it all is.
I say go back to playing CounterStrike, and teabagging n00bs. You've got to remember that these are just simple miners. These are people of the land. The common clay of New Eden. You know... morons. |
Kha'Vorn
Kha'Toum
65
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Posted - 2012.01.07 17:33:00 -
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Enjoyable thread. Will read again. |
Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
99
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Posted - 2012.01.07 17:51:00 -
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IF TROLL: You have wasted a pretty thick slice of your limited time on this one, and a thinner slice of mine.
IF NOT A TROLL: I did missions for the Angels in NPC null as a solo noob. Set course, loaded up thrasher, died to bubble camp. Learned about map and pilots in space etc. Did missions for Serpentis in Utopia. Real pain getting in and out, but never once got hassled in a mission. This is L1 missions by the way, few L2s before i got sick of the travel hassle. Solo play in Eve is very hard and progression up the learning curve, or wall, is slow, but definite. Lost many thrashers in low and null, learned by looking at lossmails, what killed me.
Your complaints are utterly invalid.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
Valei Khurelem
117
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Posted - 2012.01.07 17:58:00 -
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I was thinking about just leaving this thread because I was making a genuine point about how stupid EVE and every other MMORPG's PvP is but the amount of rage coming from mainly goons was too funny to resist so I'll respond to a particular phrase that keeps being thrown around these forums without any real meaning called "Instant Gratification" here's why they're full of crap.
. These players are claiming that I, as a miner am taking the instant gratification route when everyone agrees mining is tedious, boring and you don't get a lot of ISK from it
. These players fly ships specifically designed to gank people for easy kills in ships, they don't go around picking fights they can't win ( I thought EVE PvP was supposed to be balanced, if it wasn't why couldn't you go and pick a fight with someone supposedly more powerful tha you? It doesn't make sense ;) ) and they gate camp stargates which are CCP made chokepoints designed to funnel players through 0.0 for easy kills
. We are fully aware there are botters in 0.0 space that alliances own, this is cheating, so they aren't even playing the game honestly
. You boast about the risk in 0.0 space, yet people say once you get past the gate camps it is almost completely empty, so this means as long as the gate camps are up indiscriminately ganking every stranger who tries to pass through it will be safer than high sec space
. Rewards are much bigger, while this is debatable especially with incursions being recently put in, if you own the space and are ganking anyone else except your friends then you pretty much get all the rare ore, rats and missions you could ever want of course there are incursions as well to consider in 0.0 space though I don't know whether it gives out more or less ISK than high security
. It has been reported 0.0 alliances used exploits in EVE without telling CCP about them so yet again they could cheat their way to billions of ISK without having to do any of the grinding
Now I know you lot need to take your pent up sexual frustration out on something, but it's pretty sad when you decide to make several pages of thread quite literally almost at once and then try to discredit said person by claiming "EVE is not for you, noob, instant gratification player" etc. etc. when you all go around cheating through the game and when you find no ones playing by your rules anymore because low and behold this game is still a sandbox. You decide to take your frustration out on the only area left where players who just want to play the game are left. |
Trainwreck McGee
Ghost Ship Inc.
210
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Posted - 2012.01.07 17:58:00 -
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cry baby rant of 2012.......knowing these forums it will be beat in a week. CCP Trainwreck - Weekend Custodial Engineer / CCP Necrogoats foot stool |
White Tree
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
722
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Posted - 2012.01.07 18:00:00 -
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Learn to pick your fights bud |
Nullbeard Rager
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
50
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Posted - 2012.01.07 18:02:00 -
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Halcyon Ingenium wrote:Valei Khurelem wrote:
You're right, EVE is for cowards.
And there you have it ladies and gentlemen. Yet one more anecdote for the record that shows that the born loser will always resort to the moral victory when the actual victory is denied him. He could take his licks and maybe learn from them and get better. But instead he has opted for the eternal moral victory which requires no more effort, no self overcoming. Moral victory = Slavery Have fun with that.
Says the pot the kettle. Irony much? |
Minta Contha
Emergent Entity KONZERN
37
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Posted - 2012.01.07 18:16:00 -
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I can't really figure out what the OP's problem is here. That other people have ships that could take his down? That he was outgunned? This sort of thing happens in Eve. You took risks, you paid the price, **** happens, it's unfortunate but it's part of life in this universe. This happens every day to hundreds of players. Sore loser syndrome, I think. My cooking is like my lovemaking - fast, greasy, and unsatisfying. |
Solid Prefekt
Haven Front
1
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Posted - 2012.01.07 18:47:00 -
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If you want to be in 0.0 you need to expect to lose a lot of ships. If you quit after losing 2 ships then you fail. After about 30 ship losses you start to figure out what works and what does not. Soon you'll be owning the 0.0 skies without the need for a large fleet. I moved to 0.0 a month into the game in 2005 and have never looked back. For most, the only fear of 0.0 is fear itself. The introduction of the T3 ship has made it a joke to get into 0.0 and with very little SP requirement. |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
74
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Posted - 2012.01.07 18:47:00 -
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posting in a 0.0 hate thread
0.0 sucks cos theres no where to save up any more, theres bubbles that eat your pods like candy, theres CTA, bossy alterlords running everything, people are always so grumpy, isk actually isn that great if you need to buy from high sec anyways, POS bashing sux, system ownership is boring and sux, allience dramas sux, ccp alts cutting corners, never a station to dock at after a roam, roams are long and boring, space is too dark, suns are too bright, warps are too long, that guy sed he doesnt like me, hookers on every gate (ugly ones), drug dfealers and theifs in every system, spacenarwols eat away at your hulls and once im pretty sure i was moelested by a stargate. |
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