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Marketcheck2
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Posted - 2007.06.30 15:56:00 -
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Right now every good solo ship is either Minimatar or a Curse/Pilgram.
Thats about it. Why do you think we see 10* the vagabonds for every hac on the field, and the same for sabres? Nannophoon got nerfed a bit but its still the only BS that can solo and have an ok chance of surviving.
Caldari does have the crow, but it lacks the firepower, and Gallante has....well nothing. Their respective recons might be fine for gangs but you won't kill much solo with them.
The key is SPEED (or in the curse/pilgrams case nice bonuses). You need to be able to avoid the blob and you can't do that in an Ishtar, you can't do that in a deimos (hac slower than its t1 equivalent no less), Falcon isn't going to do anything there, eagle is nice for sniper fleets but again, its pretty useless solo vrs anyone semi-competent.
With training times so long it means if you want to do a few things on your own you need to have either picked correctly as a noob, buy a character, or spend a few 100 days to get up to speed.
I'm not asking for total balance, I'm just asking for all races to have some diverse options. Take a look at Gallante recons for a 'what?' you get a missle and a gun bonus? Thats really really usefull 
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Fellet
Amarr
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.30 15:57:00 -
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Gallente doesnt have good solo ships ? 
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.30 15:59:00 -
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We Gallente have a few great solo ships. The drone family of ships (Vex, Domi, Ishtar, Eos, etc.) are some of the nicest solo ships around. Which is good, because drones aren't AS hot for fleets, due to their delayed alpha strike.
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Jason Kildaro
Minmatar
Red Dwarf Mining Corps
5th Column
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Posted - 2007.06.30 16:00:00 -
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Maybe your recons and Hacs are not the most awesome but what about the Domi and the Myrmidon? Those seem pretty awesome.
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Marketcheck2
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Posted - 2007.06.30 16:00:00 -
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 Originally by: Fellet
Gallente doesnt have good solo ships ?
Domi is great....if you find someone else alone.
When you find a gang you are dead, period, something you wont' be in a vaga or sabre. Gallante recons can't kill much solo so again, not dying doesn't = good solo either.
Which Gallente ship do you solo with? Lets see those killboard stats of your soloing.
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Marketcheck2
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Posted - 2007.06.30 16:04:00 -
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Edited by: Marketcheck2 on 30/06/2007 16:03:00
Allow me to add.
IF gallente ships are good for solo (and Caldari)
WHY do you see so many Vagabonds, Sabres, and Curses as solo ships?
Why not Eagles, Ishtars, etc? Whens the last time you heard a mining op popped by a Caldari/Gallente solo ship?
You don't, DPS/Tank is not a solo trait, ESCAPE and adequate firepower is.
Edit: I have a feeling I'm having this argument with Empire carebears who think NPCing alone = solo, I'm talking pvp chaps.
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Feng Schui
Minmatar
The Ninja Coalition
New Eve Order
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Posted - 2007.06.30 16:04:00 -
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The OP has obviously never engaged a Cerberus, Domi, Myrmidon, Arazu, or Celestis in a 1v1 before.
My opinion is my own, not of my corp or my alliance. If you have problems, we can have a "who can do L4 missions faster" duel >:) |
Marketcheck2
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Posted - 2007.06.30 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: Feng Schui
The OP has obviously never engaged a Cerberus, Domi, Myrmidon, Arazu, or Celestis in a 1v1 before.
1-1?
What part of 0.0 do you play in?
Thats what I thought.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.30 16:06:00 -
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So you're after a ship that can take on a small gang solo?
I'm not sure such a ship exists, you know...
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Atius Tirawa
Minmatar
Wreckless Abandon
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.06.30 16:08:00 -
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Felysta Sandorn
Caldari
System-Lords
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Posted - 2007.06.30 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: Marketcheck2
Originally by: Feng Schui
The OP has obviously never engaged a Cerberus, Domi, Myrmidon, Arazu, or Celestis in a 1v1 before.
1-1?
What part of 0.0 do you play in?
Thats what I thought.
So you want a ship that can take on a number of people solo? Only the Vaga can do that well... Otherwise it's pretty damn hard...
Gallente ships are the best for soloing... Commands and BS in particular are miles above the rest!
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Hasak Rain
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.06.30 16:17:00 -
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How about if we let them fix Amarr before we even start to talk about giving you and the rest of Gallente pilots a ship that can take on an entire gang solo?
Some of these Gallente pilots ***** me up. "Oh noes, I can't solo gangs!"
Meanwhile, Amarr can't shoot their guns without running out of cap.
But let's boost Gallente further..........
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Marketcheck2
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Posted - 2007.06.30 16:17:00 -
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Edited by: Marketcheck2 on 30/06/2007 16:17:47
Originally by: Patch86
So you're after a ship that can take on a small gang solo?
I'm not sure such a ship exists, you know...
You have no idea what I'm talking about.
Vaga = great solo ship because it has good firepower and can escape!
Ishtar = bad solo ship because it has very good firepower and can't escape.
Ishtar and Vaga meet 1-1, who wins? Neither, the vaga just flies off and finds something else it can kill. Its not about who would win some no warp 1-1 duel people.
Thats what solo pvp is about, being able to ESCAPE the blob's and gangs. Gallente and Caldari can't in any ship that can also solo firepower/bonus wise. I'm not sure why this is so hard to grasp.
Edit: Someone point me to someone in the last 3 months soloing effectively in a Gallante/Caldari ship bigger than an interceptor on some killboard please.
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Feng Schui
Minmatar
The Ninja Coalition
New Eve Order
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Posted - 2007.06.30 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: Marketcheck2
Originally by: Feng Schui
The OP has obviously never engaged a Cerberus, Domi, Myrmidon, Arazu, or Celestis in a 1v1 before.
1-1?
What part of 0.0 do you play in?
Thats what I thought.
Clueless noob of the year
BTW, when I head to 0.0; I'm typically near VIP9 / 9SNK / 0WXT / L4X / FQ9W.... now, where do you hang out?
Thats what I thought.
My opinion is my own, not of my corp or my alliance. If you have problems, we can have a "who can do L4 missions faster" duel >:) |
Wigglytuff
Vale Heavy Industries
Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.30 16:22:00 -
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Gallente need a solo ship?
Other than the thorax, vexor, Domi, Myrmidon, Ishtar, Ishkur, diemost, eos, Astarte, Moros, Nyx, Thanatos, and incursus?
Yes incursis, my first pk was in an incursis against a moa that apparently thought defender missiles were worth fitting in two launchers in lowsec. Took forever to whack down his large shield extendered, medium shield booster tank though.
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Tinuk Thrill
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Posted - 2007.06.30 16:23:00 -
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anythign with a mwd can escape dah blob. also Megatron = best solo ship in-game.
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Marketcheck2
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Posted - 2007.06.30 16:25:00 -
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Jebus people, a moro's is a solo ship?!?!?! What do you smoke?
Please, if I'm wrong point me to that killboard link of SOMEONE soloing in 0.0 in a Gallente or Caldari ship..
Please.
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R'olyat
Gallente
Four Rings
D-L
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Posted - 2007.06.30 16:25:00 -
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take any ship add a nano- to it boom solo
Ive seen nanoishtars that can solo fine, its basically a curse without the nos bonus.
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Rafein
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Posted - 2007.06.30 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: Marketcheck2
Thats what solo pvp is about, being able to ESCAPE the blob's and gangs. Gallente and Caldari can't in any ship that can also solo firepower/bonus wise. I'm not sure why this is so hard to grasp.
Because Caldari/Gallente make ships to kill other people, not run away. They make shuttles for running away.
Actually, it's more the Minmatar's design, they are made more for hit and run tactics. Fast, Good alpha, but worse tankability and DoT, compared to the other races.
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Feng Schui
Minmatar
The Ninja Coalition
New Eve Order
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Posted - 2007.06.30 16:29:00 -
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Edited by: Feng Schui on 30/06/2007 16:28:54
http://www.eve-ninja.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=1
Solo cerberus.. i was popped in about 10 seconds. edit: btw.. caldari and gallente ships, with the exception of curse / pilgrim.. are the only ships i run away from.
yea.. they're not good solo ships. at all
My opinion is my own, not of my corp or my alliance. If you have problems, we can have a "who can do L4 missions faster" duel >:) |
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Marketcheck2
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Posted - 2007.06.30 16:36:00 -
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Ughhhh I should have known this was too deep a subject for eve-o.
You died to a solo cerb in a t-1 crusier? Congrats?
A KILL isn't a good solo ship. Were you tackled and webbed by that cerb?
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Jin Steele
Port Royal Independent Kontractors
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.06.30 16:38:00 -
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Edited by: Jin Steele on 30/06/2007 16:37:12
http://www.iron-alliance.com/kb/pilot.php?p_id=5137
there, solo gallente pvp.
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Zhett Haukes
Insult to Injury
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Posted - 2007.06.30 16:40:00 -
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Gallante have no good solo ships?!
Can I have some of what you are smoking please.
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Feng Schui
Minmatar
The Ninja Coalition
New Eve Order
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Posted - 2007.06.30 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: Marketcheck2
Ughhhh I should have known this was too deep a subject for eve-o.
You died to a solo cerb in a t-1 crusier? Congrats?
A KILL isn't a good solo ship. Were you tackled and webbed by that cerb?
yes, and my little ol' T1 cruiser also kills battlecruisers regularly (exception of CALDARI AND GALLENTE).. and also handles its own against BATTLESHIPS... hell, i've killed HAC's and crap..
you sir, are a troll.. a clueless troll at that.
My opinion is my own, not of my corp or my alliance. If you have problems, we can have a "who can do L4 missions faster" duel >:) |
Fellet
Amarr
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.30 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: Marketcheck2
Ughhhh I should have known this was too deep a subject for eve-o.
You died to a solo cerb in a t-1 crusier? Congrats?
A KILL isn't a good solo ship. Were you tackled and webbed by that cerb?
Or it could be that one thing.. what is it called agian , oh yea i think its YOUR WRONG
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.06.30 16:48:00 -
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Hawk, Harpy, Blackbird and T2 versions, Caracal, Drake, Scorpion, Rokh, Nighthawk. Caldari have no solo ships !
Celestis and T2 versions, Thorax, Vexor, Ishtar, Myrmidon, Eos, Astarte, Dominix and Megathron. Yeah, those suck badly.
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Sure, they might not have the speed to outrun blobs, but as people tend to keep saying, the best way to escape a blob is NOT GET IN THE BLOB IN THE FIRST PLACE.
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mechtech
Entropy Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.30 16:51:00 -
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What are you talking about, Gallente have great solo ships. They might not be able to run away like minmatar, but they are still amazing, a heck of alot better than amarr for solo, which you didn't add to your list...
Myrmidon is the best solo BC, Domi is arguably the best solo BS, thorax is a great cruiser, a well fitted blaster mega is also incredible, and nano ishtars are still a bit viable.
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widgetman
Widgetland
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Posted - 2007.06.30 16:51:00 -
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Well im a Solo player.
Gallante specialised.
Never have a problem 1v1.
We have great ships for solo work, but if you find a gang you are stuffed whatever race you fly.
Astarte is great for solo work, Arazu you can have fun with also.
I agree that Vaga's doing over 10k, is ridiculous etc.......but then at least you know what they do, just have to adapt.
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Bizz Lizz
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Posted - 2007.06.30 17:26:00 -
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Edited by: Bizz Lizz on 30/06/2007 17:28:12
Originally by: widgetman
I agree that Vaga's doing over 10k, is ridiculous etc.......but then at least you know what they do, just have to adapt.
Yes, they also need a rediculous amount of money in implants and fitting and it only gives you an increased chance not to get caught and a bonus to hunt fast inties.
Against a small pvp gang with cruiser sized ships or bigger, I'd recommend the vagabond pilot better to stay at range !
EW won't allow him to kill much anyway and nos/webbers are not really a vagabonds friend, so the anti-gang solo pwn'age that the OP wants only works against 'poor' gangs in my opinion. You can destroy such poor gangs also in a drone/nos boat, the difference is just that you are less likely to get away, if the odds turn against you.
I think the reason, why the vagabond is so successfull, is not the 'pwnage' but that it can roam around fast and freely, is less likely to get locked down outnumbered and such things. You can fly into hostile territory and pick your fights. If you are in a slow ship, you have the risk to run into a blob by mistake, before you find some interesting targets, without a chance to get away.
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Aramendel
Amarr
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.06.30 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: Marketcheck2
Vaga = great solo ship because it has good firepower and can escape!
Ishtar = bad solo ship because it has very good firepower and can't escape.
Actually you can nano up an ishtar to be faster than a curse. And have 5 heavy drones instead 5 meds.
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