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Natalia Fachiri Minmatar Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.01 12:59:00 - [91] anyone woh posts with his alt, telling people to shut up if they dont live in 0.0, should take his own advice and shut up.
tommit	Posted - 2007.07.01 13:01:00 - [92] Originally by: Hellaciouss Originally by: Herculite Speed = life:Gallente = slow. Correct. Speed > Everything actually sad but abit to true... why excatly is it that the guns have a optimal, and if you go beyound that you can never hit... thats just stupid as hell... the change should just go down... well nvm, there is so many things unbalanced and stupid in this game, if your not prepared to fight or become a part of bob+pet you might as well leave the game, since they keep on nerfing missions (mainly by setting the ew in them quite high, and making them harder and harder thereby reducing the isk gain per hour) and they keep on boosting 0.0 activetives, gatecamps, ganking, blob fights and cap ships and 3year+ players capabillity compared to newer players.. this is a noob type game that only compete on one thing, how good in touch you are with bob/the creators and how long time/how many sp, your charecter have... skills is out of the window since all it is, is focus fire, and have the isk for the most exspensive modules and then just a standard setup for the type of ship you use, pvp without s webber and scrambler (unless dictor or large disruptors) and your a gonna. most fights are decided by the who have the most capacitor, which means against most ship nos type speed setup will the the i win. i have heard people say this is a "elite" game, but elite is decided by the amount of work that you have to put into the specifik subject to become the best. in this game it have nothing to do with how much you work, but just how long you have been in the game and how many "importent" people you know. most games that are elite a really good player comes in, multi game 24/7/364 and he will rule those that have been there for years, just by his talent and time put into the game. in eve, no matter how talented you are, you don't stand much chance against a charecter from the game start, simply becouse of the unbalanced mechanics and ships... caps rule over all other ships just as an exsample, its just plain stupid. only way to take down the new "i win bottom" is to nos its cap, how wierd is that "ow yer we can kill it by misusing a mechanic and putting nosses on as our main weaponry". why?! where the freak is the balance, and why should new players want to come into the game?! you ARN'T elite in eve... eve is for no life noobs that dont have the skills to actually compete in a game which is anything else but afk time and numbers of players (the isk isnt even considered since every one in bob+pet and 0.0 will have more then enough of them, which means 3year and older players will have no problem by founding it
Incantare Caldari Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.01 13:03:00 - [93] Wall of text.
Pry Maraai Amarr	Posted - 2007.07.01 13:21:00 - [94] Edited by: Pry Maraai on 01/07/2007 13:20:26 Originally by: tommit yadi yada alt char rabble I think by calling Eve an elite game, they are refering to David Brabens Elite Wiki And as a semi new player, I have no problem fitting in. The game is gang/corp/alliance oriented, and optimum isnt 100% titans in every fleet :P
Malcanis High4Life Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.01 13:44:00 - [95] Allow my to translate his post: "I'm the best of all my friends at Halo/counterstrike/WoW, therefore I deserve to be the best at EvE too. But I'm not so EvE is a crappy game."
Herculite Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.01 15:27:00 - [96] I think the confusion here is 'pvp' vrs 'ganking'. Gallente and Caldari do NOT have good solo gank ships. Ganking requires you get in fast, lock something down, kill something, avoid the blob. You don't do that in any Gal/Caldari ship besides a crow/ranis and being ceptors that really limits your firepower. If people came at you 1-1 like a bad 70's Ninja movie, both races would be great at solo, but thats usually not the case
Lynal Gallente Peregrin Avionics	Posted - 2007.07.01 17:01:00 - [97] Originally by: Fellet Gallente doesnt have good solo ships ? apparently the op has never faced off against a domi or myrm fitted out with nos, or a blaster rax, or a blasterthron, or a... etc etc.
Meeko Gloom The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.07.01 17:05:00 - [98] Originally by: Marketcheck2 Right now every good solo ship is either Minimatar or a Curse/Pilgram. Thats about it. Why do you think we see 10* the vagabonds for every hac on the field, and the same for sabres? Nannophoon got nerfed a bit but its still the only BS that can solo and have an ok chance of surviving. Caldari does have the crow, but it lacks the firepower, and Gallante has....well nothing. Their respective recons might be fine for gangs but you won't kill much solo with them. The key is SPEED (or in the curse/pilgrams case nice bonuses). You need to be able to avoid the blob and you can't do that in an Ishtar, you can't do that in a deimos (hac slower than its t1 equivalent no less), Falcon isn't going to do anything there, eagle is nice for sniper fleets but again, its pretty useless solo vrs anyone semi-competent. With training times so long it means if you want to do a few things on your own you need to have either picked correctly as a noob, buy a character, or spend a few 100 days to get up to speed. I'm not asking for total balance, I'm just asking for all races to have some diverse options. Take a look at Gallante recons for a 'what?' you get a missle and a gun bonus? Thats really really usefull How long have you been playing eve? Gallente has the most solo ships in the game. You sir just dont know how to fit your ships. How about you learn how to PvP then come say gallente ships cant hold their own. kthnxbye -------------------------- Guns dont Kill People Drones Do
Marketcheck2	Posted - 2007.07.01 17:14:00 - [99] Sigh.... If another target tells me that because a domi/myr is good in a 1-1 that makes it a solo ship I'm going to bet they are not very good. No one, including myself is saying a raven or domi or whatever can't win a 1-1, domi if fit right is a beast 1-1, but that has absolutely nothing to do with solo pvp in enemy territory. I think the closest I've seen in the last 2 years was a blasterthron hanging around 0.0 stations with a interceptor alt scouting, tackling. Not really solo. So LOL all you want, I just need to remember thats why eve has victims.
Leonie Eisenberg	Posted - 2007.07.01 17:20:00 - [100] I'm getting about tired of this mentality of "there is only one way to do things, mine!" There are plenty of potential speed tanks in the game where you can do what the OP and his supporters insist you can't. That they're not common doesn't make them invalid. It's just too many people get an idea that there is a "single best way" to do something. Having got it in their heads, they proclaim it loudly and often and the lemmings follow blindly. However, if you really look around, with an OPEN MIND, you can see that there are a lot of ships you can rig with a speed tank than can perform in a nearly identical function. Some can even out-perform the Vagabond. But, for now, the Vagabond is the "hot ship" with the lemmings. Just like others have been in the past and, I'm sure, others will be in the future.

Lynal Gallente Peregrin Avionics	Posted - 2007.07.01 17:26:00 - [101] Originally by: Marketcheck2 Sigh.... If another target tells me that because a domi/myr is good in a 1-1 that makes it a solo ship I'm going to bet they are not very good. No one, including myself is saying a raven or domi or whatever can't win a 1-1, domi if fit right is a beast 1-1, but that has absolutely nothing to do with solo pvp in enemy territory. I think the closest I've seen in the last 2 years was a blasterthron hanging around 0.0 stations with a interceptor alt scouting, tackling. Not really solo. So LOL all you want, I just need to remember thats why eve has victims. lets try a different approach... the real question is why you're trying to take on gangs with no backup of your own. sorry but eve isnt designed that way... as just about everyone here has mentioned in one way or another. the reason everyone keeps going back to 1v1 situations is because 1v5 is a losing scenario no matter what you're flying. the only times its not is when the 5 are all noobs who don't have any concept of how to setup a gank gang... and you could fly just about anything and win (or escape if you prefer) against those kinds of players, assuming you're not a noob who has no clue how to fit and fly your ship as well.
Sorja E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.07.01 17:58:00 - [102] There's one great Caldari solo ship: the Moa. Everybody will engage you, even tech I frigates, so you'll get a fight in like 10 minutes after undocking. It's best solo ship in the game, IMHO. And with decent skills you could even kill a frig from time to time, provided they laugh at you a bit too long. Don't forget to put your 'Tuxford designed me!' sticker on before undocking. ____________________ A gentleman is someone who can play the bagpipe, but who does not.
Lt Angus Caldari the united	Posted - 2007.07.01 18:02:00 - [103] Best Thread Ever I assume its a joke Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers
ArmyOfMe Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.07.01 19:22:00 - [104] Originally by: Marketcheck2 Sigh.... If another target tells me that because a domi/myr is good in a 1-1 that makes it a solo ship I'm going to bet they are not very good. No one, including myself is saying a raven or domi or whatever can't win a 1-1, domi if fit right is a beast 1-1, but that has absolutely nothing to do with solo pvp in enemy territory. I think the closest I've seen in the last 2 years was a blasterthron hanging around 0.0 stations with a interceptor alt scouting, tackling. Not really solo. So LOL all you want, I just need to remember thats why eve has victims. if your so sure your right about all this, how come you have to come here on the forums with a alt and not your main?
Hectic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.01 19:36:00 - [105] Originally by: Sorja There's one great Caldari solo ship: the Moa. Everybody will engage you, even tech I frigates, so you'll get a fight in like 10 minutes after undocking. It's best solo ship in the game, IMHO. And with decent skills you could even kill a frig from time to time, provided they laugh at you a bit too long. Don't forget to put your 'Tuxford designed me!' sticker on before undocking. I agree, the Moa IS highly overpowered. :( Listen to BoB Radio!! WELCOME BACK MGRL
WisdomLikeSilence Gunfleet Logistics Rogue Method Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.01 19:57:00 - [106] Deimos, ishtar, arazu, domi, myrmidon Decide what you want to hunt, then go kill large quantities of the beast with the correct gallente ship for the job. Right now we are offering low, low prices on dual repping myrmidons. Thump your enemies in the teeth!
Baron Dots	Posted - 2007.07.01 20:22:00 - [107] Originally by: Herculite I'm full Gallente specced and I didn't just start a Minimatar alt for variety. Speed = life:Gallente = slow. markcheck2 is your alt.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.01 20:34:00 - [108] Originally by: WisdomLikeSilence Deimos Lol, Deimos. Gallente kick some serious arse, but the Deimos is most definitely the runt of the litter. Unless something big has changed since the last time I flew one (which is possible, feel free to tell me ), they're not exactly what I'd call a hot ship. Observe above the BoB Deimos getting creamed by an RHN Moa... --------
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.07.01 21:37:00 - [109] Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: WisdomLikeSilence Deimos Lol, Deimos. Gallente kick some serious arse, but the Deimos is most definitely the runt of the litter. Unless something big has changed since the last time I flew one (which is possible, feel free to tell me ), they're not exactly what I'd call a hot ship. Observe above the BoB Deimos getting creamed by an RHN Moa... Deimos doesn't do too well under sentry fire... --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.01 22:08:00 - [110] Edited by: Patch86 on 01/07/2007 22:06:45 Originally by: Hllaxiu Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: WisdomLikeSilence Deimos Lol, Deimos. Gallente kick some serious arse, but the Deimos is most definitely the runt of the litter. Unless something big has changed since the last time I flew one (which is possible, feel free to tell me ), they're not exactly what I'd call a hot ship. Observe above the BoB Deimos getting creamed by an RHN Moa... Deimos doesn't do too well under sentry fire... None the less. Try reading the 44 page thread about it. --------

Dark Kavar Caldari Aionios Diadochi Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.01 23:16:00 - [111] Originally by: Marketcheck2 Edited by: Marketcheck2 on 30/06/2007 16:03:00 Why not Eagles, Ishtars, etc? Whens the last time you heard a mining op popped by a Caldari/Gallente solo ship? Actually, I've busted up a mining op solo in a drake, I have a corp mate that has busted up small gangs solo in a hyperion, same corp mate killed a mega and his tackler in a myrmidon (solo), same corp mate has taken on a few small gangs in a domi and come out on top, and yet again same corp mate has killed quite a few mining ops solo in a thorax. Kind of like the Triforce in Zelda, only not quite as potent.
Fubarski Caldari Centauri Project	Posted - 2007.07.01 23:39:00 - [112] Originally by: Marketcheck2 Sigh.... Really, Sigh... Enyo (with rockets), Taranis, Plate-Thorax, Deimos, Astarte, Celestis (if you train missile skills), Tristan (Missile skills again), Incursus, Megathron, Brutix. All of these ships (and more) have decent soloing capability. Hell, a friend of mine, last night, rolled a nub gallente alt, and got two solo kills within two hours! You need to define what you want to use as "solo", because frankly, being able to run away isn't just the Minmitar's playground, and there are many, many ways to skin a cat. Minmitar have a few things going for them; their "play area" is usually outside of an equal ships NOS/Web/Scram range, they have good speed, and a capless weapon design. They ARE the race that is designed around non-fleet combat. They ARE the guerilla warfare experts in the game. Their drawbacks are: Split tanking design forces you to double your "tank" skillpoints if you want to use the entire ship-line; reliance on speed for survival (web=insta-screwed for the most part... gallente getting webbed="hey, it's in my optimal now! BANG SPLAT") Lower weapon damage than equally skilled counterparts, etc, etc... I've never seen a Vagabond do what a Deimos can do in a fleet. Your argument has merits based on it's singular axis. But Eve is multi-faceted; there are many ways to play the game. Just because a race doesn't meet what you see as "fit" that doesn't mean it's wrong. It just doesn't match your expectations. Fubarski
Fubarski Caldari Centauri Project	Posted - 2007.07.01 23:44:00 - [113] Originally by: Hectic I agree, the Moa IS highly overpowered. :( OMG NERF BILLBOARDS Fubarski
Milton Keynes Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.07.02 00:56:00 - [114] Originally by: Marketcheck2 Right now every good solo hit and run ship is either Minimatar or a Curse/Pilgram. Fixed There is a reason for that. Minmatar are the guerilla warfare race. Nothing wrong with that. Solo PvP does NOT mean hit and run PvP. Gallente are good at in your face, solo gank PvP. Anarr and Caldari supposedly have better DPS at range which makes them better for gang and fleet PvP. Each race has it's own unique PvP style. Amarr needs the most attention when it comes to PvP changes. Certain Caldari & Minmatar ships could do with some tweaking (e.g Moa/Bellicose and Ferox/Cyclone) but most are fine. In comparison, Gallente ships are all pretty good.
Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2007.07.02 01:24:00 - [115] Originally by: Herculite I'm full Gallente specced and I didn't just start a Minimatar alt for variety. Speed = life:Gallente = slow. this is how it is. \m/ Metal Head \m/
Cadiz Caldari No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.07.02 03:10:00 - [116] The Myrmidon is a fantastic solo PvP ship. I have several corpmates who fly them nigh-exclusively when they're out roaming for kills by themselves or in small groups. ------ Director, No Quarter "There is no problem that cannot be solved by the judicious application of violence."
Orion Eridanus Dark Nova Crisis	Posted - 2007.07.02 11:11:00 - [117] Everyone is missing the OP's point, I think he's trying to say EVE is a solo game and everyone who flys around with friends, corpmates, and alliances is playing the game the wrong way.
Aramendel Amarr Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.07.02 11:19:00 - [118] Originally by: Herculite I'm full Gallente specced and I didn't just start a Minimatar alt for variety. Speed = life:Gallente = 2nd fastest race in eve Fixed.
MaxSkywalker x13 Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.07.02 11:24:00 - [119] Estamel's modified flame armor hardener deactivates, as Marketcheck2's thread begins to explode. - I live of government cheese! NERF THE BOMBS!!
5T1G	Posted - 2007.07.02 12:01:00 - [120] I don't get it Of course minmatar are the best at hit and run attacks and blob dodging. Read there ship descriptions, it is what allmost every ship is designed to do... Now read the Gallente ship descriptions and read all about close range powerhouses and survivable tanks. This is what gallente are good at... Don't train the close range, tanking, dps race and then expect to be able to play like the speed, kiting, agility race.



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