EVE Search - Can we see Caldari/Gallante decent solo ships?

All Channels

EVE General Discussion

Can we see Caldari/Gallante decent solo ships?

» Click here to find additional results for this topic using Google

Monitor this thread via RSS [?]

Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 :: [one page]
Author	Thread Statistics \| Show CCP posts - 0 post(s)
Marketcheck2	Posted - 2007.06.30 15:56:00 - [1] Right now every good solo ship is either Minimatar or a Curse/Pilgram. Thats about it. Why do you think we see 10* the vagabonds for every hac on the field, and the same for sabres? Nannophoon got nerfed a bit but its still the only BS that can solo and have an ok chance of surviving. Caldari does have the crow, but it lacks the firepower, and Gallante has....well nothing. Their respective recons might be fine for gangs but you won't kill much solo with them. The key is SPEED (or in the curse/pilgrams case nice bonuses). You need to be able to avoid the blob and you can't do that in an Ishtar, you can't do that in a deimos (hac slower than its t1 equivalent no less), Falcon isn't going to do anything there, eagle is nice for sniper fleets but again, its pretty useless solo vrs anyone semi-competent. With training times so long it means if you want to do a few things on your own you need to have either picked correctly as a noob, buy a character, or spend a few 100 days to get up to speed. I'm not asking for total balance, I'm just asking for all races to have some diverse options. Take a look at Gallante recons for a 'what?' you get a missle and a gun bonus? Thats really really usefull
Fellet Amarr Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.30 15:57:00 - [2] Gallente doesnt have good solo ships ?
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.30 15:59:00 - [3] We Gallente have a few great solo ships. The drone family of ships (Vex, Domi, Ishtar, Eos, etc.) are some of the nicest solo ships around. Which is good, because drones aren't AS hot for fleets, due to their delayed alpha strike. --------
Jason Kildaro Minmatar Red Dwarf Mining Corps 5th Column	Posted - 2007.06.30 16:00:00 - [4] Maybe your recons and Hacs are not the most awesome but what about the Domi and the Myrmidon? Those seem pretty awesome.
Marketcheck2	Posted - 2007.06.30 16:00:00 - [5] Originally by: Fellet Gallente doesnt have good solo ships ? Domi is great....if you find someone else alone. When you find a gang you are dead, period, something you wont' be in a vaga or sabre. Gallante recons can't kill much solo so again, not dying doesn't = good solo either. Which Gallente ship do you solo with? Lets see those killboard stats of your soloing.
Marketcheck2	Posted - 2007.06.30 16:04:00 - [6] Edited by: Marketcheck2 on 30/06/2007 16:03:00 Allow me to add. IF gallente ships are good for solo (and Caldari) WHY do you see so many Vagabonds, Sabres, and Curses as solo ships? Why not Eagles, Ishtars, etc? Whens the last time you heard a mining op popped by a Caldari/Gallente solo ship? You don't, DPS/Tank is not a solo trait, ESCAPE and adequate firepower is. Edit: I have a feeling I'm having this argument with Empire carebears who think NPCing alone = solo, I'm talking pvp chaps.
Feng Schui Minmatar The Ninja Coalition New Eve Order	Posted - 2007.06.30 16:04:00 - [7] The OP has obviously never engaged a Cerberus, Domi, Myrmidon, Arazu, or Celestis in a 1v1 before. My opinion is my own, not of my corp or my alliance. If you have problems, we can have a "who can do L4 missions faster" duel >:)
Marketcheck2	Posted - 2007.06.30 16:05:00 - [8] Originally by: Feng Schui The OP has obviously never engaged a Cerberus, Domi, Myrmidon, Arazu, or Celestis in a 1v1 before. 1-1? What part of 0.0 do you play in? Thats what I thought.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.30 16:06:00 - [9] So you're after a ship that can take on a small gang solo? I'm not sure such a ship exists, you know... --------
Atius Tirawa Minmatar Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.06.30 16:08:00 - [10] troll-guard activated
Felysta Sandorn Caldari System-Lords	Posted - 2007.06.30 16:10:00 - [11] Originally by: Marketcheck2 Originally by: Feng Schui The OP has obviously never engaged a Cerberus, Domi, Myrmidon, Arazu, or Celestis in a 1v1 before. 1-1? What part of 0.0 do you play in? Thats what I thought. So you want a ship that can take on a number of people solo? Only the Vaga can do that well... Otherwise it's pretty damn hard... Gallente ships are the best for soloing... Commands and BS in particular are miles above the rest! Latest Video, Click Here!
Hasak Rain Amarr	Posted - 2007.06.30 16:17:00 - [12] How about if we let them fix Amarr before we even start to talk about giving you and the rest of Gallente pilots a ship that can take on an entire gang solo? Some of these Gallente pilots ***** me up. "Oh noes, I can't solo gangs!" Meanwhile, Amarr can't shoot their guns without running out of cap. But let's boost Gallente further..........
Marketcheck2	Posted - 2007.06.30 16:17:00 - [13] Edited by: Marketcheck2 on 30/06/2007 16:17:47 Originally by: Patch86 So you're after a ship that can take on a small gang solo? I'm not sure such a ship exists, you know... You have no idea what I'm talking about. Vaga = great solo ship because it has good firepower and can escape! Ishtar = bad solo ship because it has very good firepower and can't escape. Ishtar and Vaga meet 1-1, who wins? Neither, the vaga just flies off and finds something else it can kill. Its not about who would win some no warp 1-1 duel people. Thats what solo pvp is about, being able to ESCAPE the blob's and gangs. Gallente and Caldari can't in any ship that can also solo firepower/bonus wise. I'm not sure why this is so hard to grasp. Edit: Someone point me to someone in the last 3 months soloing effectively in a Gallante/Caldari ship bigger than an interceptor on some killboard please.
Feng Schui Minmatar The Ninja Coalition New Eve Order	Posted - 2007.06.30 16:21:00 - [14] Originally by: Marketcheck2 Originally by: Feng Schui The OP has obviously never engaged a Cerberus, Domi, Myrmidon, Arazu, or Celestis in a 1v1 before. 1-1? What part of 0.0 do you play in? Thats what I thought. Clueless noob of the year BTW, when I head to 0.0; I'm typically near VIP9 / 9SNK / 0WXT / L4X / FQ9W.... now, where do you hang out? Thats what I thought. My opinion is my own, not of my corp or my alliance. If you have problems, we can have a "who can do L4 missions faster" duel >:)
Wigglytuff Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.30 16:22:00 - [15] Gallente need a solo ship? Other than the thorax, vexor, Domi, Myrmidon, Ishtar, Ishkur, diemost, eos, Astarte, Moros, Nyx, Thanatos, and incursus? Yes incursis, my first pk was in an incursis against a moa that apparently thought defender missiles were worth fitting in two launchers in lowsec. Took forever to whack down his large shield extendered, medium shield booster tank though. Belt piracy isnt what it used to be.
Tinuk Thrill	Posted - 2007.06.30 16:23:00 - [16] anythign with a mwd can escape dah blob. also Megatron = best solo ship in-game.
Marketcheck2	Posted - 2007.06.30 16:25:00 - [17] Jebus people, a moro's is a solo ship?!?!?! What do you smoke? Please, if I'm wrong point me to that killboard link of SOMEONE soloing in 0.0 in a Gallente or Caldari ship.. Please.
R'olyat Gallente Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.06.30 16:25:00 - [18] take any ship add a nano- to it boom solo Ive seen nanoishtars that can solo fine, its basically a curse without the nos bonus. ___________________________ Fixed sig for t3h sig ninjaz.
Rafein	Posted - 2007.06.30 16:28:00 - [19] Originally by: Marketcheck2 Thats what solo pvp is about, being able to ESCAPE the blob's and gangs. Gallente and Caldari can't in any ship that can also solo firepower/bonus wise. I'm not sure why this is so hard to grasp. Because Caldari/Gallente make ships to kill other people, not run away. They make shuttles for running away. Actually, it's more the Minmatar's design, they are made more for hit and run tactics. Fast, Good alpha, but worse tankability and DoT, compared to the other races.
Feng Schui Minmatar The Ninja Coalition New Eve Order	Posted - 2007.06.30 16:29:00 - [20] Edited by: Feng Schui on 30/06/2007 16:28:54 http://www.eve-ninja.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=1 Solo cerberus.. i was popped in about 10 seconds. edit: btw.. caldari and gallente ships, with the exception of curse / pilgrim.. are the only ships i run away from. yea.. they're not good solo ships. at all My opinion is my own, not of my corp or my alliance. If you have problems, we can have a "who can do L4 missions faster" duel >:)
Marketcheck2	Posted - 2007.06.30 16:36:00 - [21] Ughhhh I should have known this was too deep a subject for eve-o. You died to a solo cerb in a t-1 crusier? Congrats? A KILL isn't a good solo ship. Were you tackled and webbed by that cerb?
Jin Steele Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.06.30 16:38:00 - [22] Edited by: Jin Steele on 30/06/2007 16:37:12 http://www.iron-alliance.com/kb/pilot.php?p_id=5137 there, solo gallente pvp. _________________________________________________________
Zhett Haukes Insult to Injury	Posted - 2007.06.30 16:40:00 - [23] Gallante have no good solo ships?! Can I have some of what you are smoking please.
Feng Schui Minmatar The Ninja Coalition New Eve Order	Posted - 2007.06.30 16:41:00 - [24] Originally by: Marketcheck2 Ughhhh I should have known this was too deep a subject for eve-o. You died to a solo cerb in a t-1 crusier? Congrats? A KILL isn't a good solo ship. Were you tackled and webbed by that cerb? yes, and my little ol' T1 cruiser also kills battlecruisers regularly (exception of CALDARI AND GALLENTE).. and also handles its own against BATTLESHIPS... hell, i've killed HAC's and crap.. you sir, are a troll.. a clueless troll at that. My opinion is my own, not of my corp or my alliance. If you have problems, we can have a "who can do L4 missions faster" duel >:)
Fellet Amarr Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.30 16:42:00 - [25] Originally by: Marketcheck2 Ughhhh I should have known this was too deep a subject for eve-o. You died to a solo cerb in a t-1 crusier? Congrats? A KILL isn't a good solo ship. Were you tackled and webbed by that cerb? Or it could be that one thing.. what is it called agian , oh yea i think its YOUR WRONG
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.06.30 16:48:00 - [26] Hawk, Harpy, Blackbird and T2 versions, Caracal, Drake, Scorpion, Rokh, Nighthawk. Caldari have no solo ships ! Celestis and T2 versions, Thorax, Vexor, Ishtar, Myrmidon, Eos, Astarte, Dominix and Megathron. Yeah, those suck badly. [/sarcasm] Sure, they might not have the speed to outrun blobs, but as people tend to keep saying, the best way to escape a blob is NOT GET IN THE BLOB IN THE FIRST PLACE. Char creation guide \| Module/Rig stacknerfing explained
mechtech Entropy Industries	Posted - 2007.06.30 16:51:00 - [27] What are you talking about, Gallente have great solo ships. They might not be able to run away like minmatar, but they are still amazing, a heck of alot better than amarr for solo, which you didn't add to your list... Myrmidon is the best solo BC, Domi is arguably the best solo BS, thorax is a great cruiser, a well fitted blaster mega is also incredible, and nano ishtars are still a bit viable.
widgetman Widgetland	Posted - 2007.06.30 16:51:00 - [28] Well im a Solo player. Gallante specialised. Never have a problem 1v1. We have great ships for solo work, but if you find a gang you are stuffed whatever race you fly. Astarte is great for solo work, Arazu you can have fun with also. I agree that Vaga's doing over 10k, is ridiculous etc.......but then at least you know what they do, just have to adapt.
Bizz Lizz	Posted - 2007.06.30 17:26:00 - [29] Edited by: Bizz Lizz on 30/06/2007 17:28:12 Originally by: widgetman I agree that Vaga's doing over 10k, is ridiculous etc.......but then at least you know what they do, just have to adapt. Yes, they also need a rediculous amount of money in implants and fitting and it only gives you an increased chance not to get caught and a bonus to hunt fast inties. Against a small pvp gang with cruiser sized ships or bigger, I'd recommend the vagabond pilot better to stay at range ! EW won't allow him to kill much anyway and nos/webbers are not really a vagabonds friend, so the anti-gang solo pwn'age that the OP wants only works against 'poor' gangs in my opinion. You can destroy such poor gangs also in a drone/nos boat, the difference is just that you are less likely to get away, if the odds turn against you. I think the reason, why the vagabond is so successfull, is not the 'pwnage' but that it can roam around fast and freely, is less likely to get locked down outnumbered and such things. You can fly into hostile territory and pick your fights. If you are in a slow ship, you have the risk to run into a blob by mistake, before you find some interesting targets, without a chance to get away.
Aramendel Amarr Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.06.30 18:41:00 - [30] Originally by: Marketcheck2 Vaga = great solo ship because it has good firepower and can escape! Ishtar = bad solo ship because it has very good firepower and can't escape. Actually you can nano up an ishtar to be faster than a curse. And have 5 heavy drones instead 5 meds.
Stitcher Caldari legion of qui Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.30 18:47:00 - [31] Technically, any ship can theoretically be used for solo PvP, and used well... provided you come up against the right opponent. oh, and good Caldari solo PvP ship? how about the Scorpion? or the Blackbird/Rook? The hell with tanking, those things can just deny all the target locks ever. ***
Marketcheck2	Posted - 2007.06.30 19:06:00 - [32] Originally by: Stitcher Technically, any ship can theoretically be used for solo PvP, and used well... provided you come up against the right opponent. oh, and good Caldari solo PvP ship? how about the Scorpion? or the Blackbird/Rook? The hell with tanking, those things can just deny all the target locks ever. When is the last time you saw a solo Scorpion in 0.0? Rook can get away but can't kill anything, horrible dps. Sorry but really, lets get real here.
Tnanever Risen	Posted - 2007.06.30 19:07:00 - [33] Originally by: Marketcheck2 Originally by: Stitcher Technically, any ship can theoretically be used for solo PvP, and used well... provided you come up against the right opponent. oh, and good Caldari solo PvP ship? how about the Scorpion? or the Blackbird/Rook? The hell with tanking, those things can just deny all the target locks ever. When is the last time you saw a solo Scorpion in 0.0? Rook can get away but can't kill anything, horrible dps. Sorry but really, lets get real here. Theoretically....if a scorpion scrambles you, webs you, and ECMs you, can't it just do moderate DPS until you died? Wouldn't it win most of the time, vs most ships, due to it's ECM capability?
Marketcheck2	Posted - 2007.06.30 19:07:00 - [34] Originally by: Aramendel Originally by: Marketcheck2 Vaga = great solo ship because it has good firepower and can escape! Ishtar = bad solo ship because it has very good firepower and can't escape. Actually you can nano up an ishtar to be faster than a curse. And have 5 heavy drones instead 5 meds. Yea but the nanno nerf killed that one outright.
Aramendel Amarr Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.06.30 19:33:00 - [35] Originally by: Marketcheck2 Actually you can nano up an ishtar to be faster than a curse. And have 5 heavy drones instead 5 meds. Yea but the nanno nerf killed that one outright. Nooo? Why should it? No problem at all to get 3.8 km/s with t2 equipment and t1 rigs. Solo. That is quite fine for a low budget speedtank. Had 2 people in my old corp/alliance using that very efficiently.
5T1G	Posted - 2007.06.30 19:39:00 - [36] Hi, I picked the race that own face up close and personal and all there descriptions decalre them to be close range killing machines. However I have seen some minmatar ships using there speed, range and good piloting knowledge to beat my gallente ships 1v1. I don't think it is fair that minmatar are actually good at something. That is pretty much what I gleaned from this thread. yawn
Razvedchitsa	Posted - 2007.06.30 20:05:00 - [37] The majority of posters obviously do not understand what OP is talking about. While gallente have plenty of ships that are able to kill in 1vs1 fights. There are no ships that can escape situations in which you can not win. Like vaga.
Richard Aiel Caldari MicroFunks	Posted - 2007.06.30 20:49:00 - [38] AH, yer talking about PVP... See, When I saw this I thought u were talkig missioning etc an was gonna ask about Drakes and Ravens lol >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Engage brain before typing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Quincy TawHarr Minmatar Empire of Destiny	Posted - 2007.06.30 20:53:00 - [39] Originally by: Razvedchitsa The majority of posters obviously do not understand what OP is talking about. While gallente have plenty of ships that are able to kill in 1vs1 fights. There are no ships that can escape situations in which you can not win. Like vaga. I think they do actually. What the OP seems to want is every race to have a fast ship that can get away when things go sour.... Which will work great until the OP runs into the same version of the minmatar and can't get away. Then of course he/she will return and say the system is broken. Everyone else is pointing out that every race's ships have a "theme" and things that they're good at and things they're weaker at. I certainly wouldn't say that minmatar ships are the "best" but they are very good at being quick. I could also complain about Caldari missile boats being good at PvE using the same case, it's after all the same arguement. Personally I like that the races ships are styled for different skill sets and tactics.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.06.30 21:00:00 - [40] Just fit up a Gallente BlasterBoat and shout 'Leroy Jenkins' every time you jump through a 0.0 gate. That's how Real Men solo PvP. - You keep using that word . . . I do not think it means what you think it means
Santa Anna Caldari Blackguard Brigade Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.30 21:09:00 - [41] Originally by: Herculite I'm full Gallente specced and I didn't just start a Minimatar alt for variety. Speed = life:Gallente = slow. One race will always be fastest. That's minmatar. Gallente are faster than Caldari and Amarr and, for the most part, can kill anything they can web. For the most part, Gallente own from 0-12km and minmatar own the rest. (There are a couple pockets where amarr and caldari are about the same as gallente or minmatar, but it's not generally solo.) _____ Heat Warfare
BTuna	Posted - 2007.06.30 21:23:00 - [42] 1 v 1 is a very small part of Eve, much less overall pvp. The only dense person here are the ones who don't understand that all races are different for a reason and have their own roles. They aren't balanced for a reason and trying to create some sort of balance in such a specific and limiting category such at 1 v 1 is just moronic. Keep whining or adapt, your choice.
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.06.30 21:49:00 - [43] Originally by: Tnanever Risen Originally by: Marketcheck2 Originally by: Stitcher Technically, any ship can theoretically be used for solo PvP, and used well... provided you come up against the right opponent. oh, and good Caldari solo PvP ship? how about the Scorpion? or the Blackbird/Rook? The hell with tanking, those things can just deny all the target locks ever. When is the last time you saw a solo Scorpion in 0.0? Rook can get away but can't kill anything, horrible dps. Sorry but really, lets get real here. Theoretically....if a scorpion scrambles you, webs you, and ECMs you, can't it just do moderate DPS until you died? Wouldn't it win most of the time, vs most ships, due to it's ECM capability? I did try. I had a PvP fit, that I'd worked on for a while. Tell ya what though. It's humiliating having a hauler tank you to fly back to the gate and jump. I mean, seriously. Being killed by a scorp, is like being mugged by a hamster. Theoretically possibly, and very embarassing when it happens, but not actually all that likely. Scorps, actually, I think scorps _could_ be viable. However, when you combine the worst locking time, with the highest mass and lowest base speed, with a ship that ... well, actually you _can_ get a good success rate with ECMs, but ... well if you don't use at least 4 slots on essential mods (A sensor booster is essential, otherwise even BS will mock you and warp off before you lock) then you won't catch much. Scorps, Falcons, BBs and Rooks, I'm afraid have suffered. Back in the day, ECMs used to be guaranteed lockdown, and missiles didn't have explosion velocity and radius. Then, the scorp was nerfbatted repeatedly, because it was a pretty good solopwnmobile. Now, these ships are your only realistic choices for jamming, but the price they pay is that of being a one trick pony. They can jam. Their damage output is miserable, and their tank non existant. Your mids are ECMs, your lows are SDAs. OK, so you might have a spare slot for a plate on a scorp. Oh, and you're flying the fattest, slowest ships in their class, with the worst sensor resolutions. They're PvP only ships, but ... well I'm really not seeing many on the field these days. I still fly a Scorp from time to time, but my Rokh seems to be entirely a more valuable addition to a fleet. As such, they really are fleet only.
Santa Anna Caldari Blackguard Brigade Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.30 21:52:00 - [44] If a scorp could fit 5 heavies in its drone bay it'd be a fun solo ship. _____ Heat Warfare
Bryg Philomena Green Lantern Corps	Posted - 2007.06.30 22:00:00 - [45] I have seen mega's go toe to toe solo and kick butt. I know my domi is a wonderful ship that I solo in. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Am I reading this correctly? You claim you have a bug that undresses female avatars???
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.30 22:04:00 - [46] Bottom line is that Gallente is the second fastest race in the game, after Minmatar. Faster than Caldari, and faster than Amarr. If you want a fast ship, train Minmatar. BUT, I solo all the time, and I have zero Minmatar SP. I just don't see speed as all that important. I much rather the ability to kill almost anything I come up against (with a fair chance of escape) over less killing power and bigger chance of escape. If you really like the play style of Minmatar ships, train damned Minmatar. Some of us are extremely happy with the way Gallente solo, just the way they are... Each race has it's strengths and play styles. Train the one that appeals to you, not a different one and campaign for changes or cloned ships. --------
Louis DelaBlanche Cosmic Odyssey YouWhat	Posted - 2007.06.30 22:22:00 - [47] I like soloing in gallente ships even if i do die alot in them . Dieing to blobs sucks, but fighting against the odds knowing that u have to do more then just align to a warp out & hit the mwd to be much more satisfying if i come out on top. At gates & stations, its usually quite possible to just get back to jump/dockingrange & getting out that way. Vagas, nanocurses etc may be good if your idea of sucessful solo PvP is knowing u can just run away if needs be. But u can be sure if u show up in one ur gonna have alot of ppl on ur ass sooner or later, because ur in a ship that annoys the heck out of alot of ppl & those ppl will be happy to do nasty things to the burning wreck of your ship if they get the chance. Personally, I like PvP where, once committed (agressed & agressing) you have to see it through to the end win or lose. & if the ppl im fighting have to call for obcene numbers to deal with me, I just find it flattering (if frustrating) that they were so insecure of winning they needed such numbers . But each to their own i guess.
Araxmas The Blue Dagger Mercenery Agency	Posted - 2007.06.30 22:27:00 - [48] NIGHTHAWK!!!! -------- Robbie Rotten left me
ArmyOfMe Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.06.30 22:34:00 - [49] Originally by: Marketcheck2 Edited by: Marketcheck2 on 30/06/2007 16:03:00 Allow me to add. IF gallente ships are good for solo (and Caldari) WHY do you see so many Vagabonds, Sabres, and Curses as solo ships? Why not Eagles, Ishtars, etc? Whens the last time you heard a mining op popped by a Caldari/Gallente solo ship? You don't, DPS/Tank is not a solo trait, ESCAPE and adequate firepower is. Edit: I have a feeling I'm having this argument with Empire carebears who think NPCing alone = solo, I'm talking pvp chaps. first of, post with your main. second, you sir are a moron if u think gallante doesnt have solo ships
miskagirl	Posted - 2007.06.30 23:18:00 - [50] Wasting your time marketcheck is the typical teenager who needs some pattened pwnmobile to play these types of games. He is why FOTM was created. Without something overpowered to use he will whine incessantly that teh game is not fair. Take note, about 20 different posters have disagreed with you i think 1 has agreed ( which is prolly your alt ). clearly YOU are looking for something that really doesn;t exist except for in the vagabond to a degree. PS if you cannot fit nearly any ship to escape a blob it isnt the ship that is the issue it is you. Not sure about you but my vagabond doesn't have an escape blob button.
MotoTsume Gallente Clan Black Scorpion	Posted - 2007.06.30 23:31:00 - [51] Originally by: Hasak Rain How about if we let them fix Amarr before we even start to talk about giving you and the rest of Gallente pilots a ship that can take on an entire gang solo? Some of these Gallente pilots ***** me up. "Oh noes, I can't solo gangs!" Meanwhile, Amarr can't shoot their guns without running out of cap. But let's boost Gallente further.......... Forget about the Amarr- I want my Gallente Gank-O-Nator - It should be cruiser size - with Interceptor speed Domi Fittings - myrmidon resists - Able to use Fighter like Templars and offcause covet-ops II cloaks at full speed with ability to come out of cloak and lock and fire instantly Oh and it should also have huge bonus' to web range and warp scram range while have a build in +4 warp core stab that dont affect range and or targetting. It's just a game........Or is it?????
Marketcheck2	Posted - 2007.07.01 01:31:00 - [52] Bah, I just decided to do what someone else in this thread said and train a minamatar alt. No point in arguing with people who think a vaga is a bad choice because people will do worse things to you if they catch you, or people that think because a gank fit domi can beat a nano-phoon that the domi is a good solo ship. Its going to take 3 months but what the hell, it normally takes over 6 to see any sort of balance changes anyways
max bygraves	Posted - 2007.07.01 01:52:00 - [53] OP is clueless I stopped reading after the 2nd paragraph, seriously why do people post such tripe ?
Jake Stevens The League of Legitimate Nigerian Businessmen	Posted - 2007.07.01 02:07:00 - [54] Originally by: Marketcheck2 Bah, I just decided to do what someone else in this thread said and train a minamatar alt. No point in arguing with people who think a vaga is a bad choice because people will do worse things to you if they catch you, or people that think because a gank fit domi can beat a nano-phoon that the domi is a good solo ship. Its going to take 3 months but what the hell, it normally takes over 6 to see any sort of balance changes anyways Damn you're pretty stupid...
AstroPhobic Minmatar STK Scientific	Posted - 2007.07.01 02:19:00 - [55] Originally by: Marketcheck2 Bah, I just decided to do what someone else in this thread said and train a minamatar alt. No point in arguing with people who think a vaga is a bad choice because people will do worse things to you if they catch you, or people that think because a gank fit domi can beat a nano-phoon that the domi is a good solo ship. Its going to take 3 months but what the hell, it normally takes over 6 to see any sort of balance changes anyways The dominix isn't a solo ship because? I've seen them do downright stupid things. Myrmidon? Lets tank these 3 cruisers and that HAC and kill them all? Ishtar? It's not like you can nano it and drone people to death. What about the Eos? Too good of a tank? Astarte too much damage for you? Maybe the Ishkur, because it really can't preform. The Taranis really sucks too with it's awesome high blaster damage and ability to melt other ships at a whim. Arazu and Lachesis really suck too when they kill your ability to target and scram you from 50 off... Maybe the Vexor and Thorax? No, those really must suck... Megathron with blasters?! That wouldn't be able to kill ANYTHING! Did I miss one? [This thread rivals the one where a guy said he regularly trashes vagabonds in his crow.] Astro
The Slayer Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.01 02:29:00 - [56] The op basically wants a Caldari version of the Vagabond. I dont see whats so bad about this. Give the Gallente and the Amarr one too. But whats this? That amarr guy wants a recon with 40km scramble? Ok give amarr an Arazu varient. Oh and Caldari and Minnie too. And better give the other races the amarrs recon, so it isnt imbalanced. IN FACT why dont we just have all races able to use all ships! DAMN man thats a good idea! Wait what. What do you mean different races have different specialities. Sure minnie can go fast but I want to as well. WHY SHOULD I HAVE TO TRAIN SKILLS TO BE AS GOOD AS THAT GUY IN THE VAGABOND GRARRRHHHH. Yes quite.
Neuromandis Novastorm Inc Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.01 02:36:00 - [57] Edited by: Neuromandis on 01/07/2007 02:35:55 To the OP: Your arguments are good, the situation is as you describe, unfortunately both your conclusions and your suggested fixes are wrong. Fact: Minmatars have the best speed -> with speed you can escape -> Minmatars can escape BUT the part that says: I want not to lose my ship-> I must be able to Escape -> Minmatars are the best is ACCORDING TO YOUR TASTE AND PLAYSTYLE Some others say: I want what I'm shooting at to die -> I must be able to Gank -> Gallente are the best I won't comment on Caldari and Amarr, because frankly for solo they ARE second-rate choices, with the exception of Curse/Pilgrim and Crow. YOUR playstyle and taste says Escape is the most important, so Simply - You should fly minmatar. That is all there is to it. It is YOUR playstyle that demands it, not some broken game mechanic or some imbalance. People that do NOT feel the same as you, but would rather kill everything they can pin down, play Gallente. And they do just fine. I think the most solo BS kills are made by Dominixes and Megathrons. That's solo. They may lose more Megathrons than a minnie loses Vagabonds, but they may have killed a lot fatter targets by then. Not your playstyle, fine. But it is still a perfectly OK way to play. You want Speed and survivability - choose Minmatar. Simple as that. Neuromandis out.
Marketcheck2	Posted - 2007.07.01 02:39:00 - [58] Ugh people people..... If you don't fly much in 0.0 quit posting, you don't know, now go back to mission running and ganking noobs in .4. If you do, and you say you are seeing solo pvping Domi's, or Scorpions, or whatever, you are lying. Seriously. I have run into a few solo, but they were either ratting or noobs and they died because they couldn't escape. Can't burn out of a bubble, can't warp back to the gate fast enough, can't align quick enough before they die. Try to get a tackle on a Vagabond or a Sabre, now try to get one on a Ishtar, deimos, or eagle (rook can't kill anything anyways). Its really that simple. This has nothing to do with tanking, dps, but survivability with the firepower to kill something. The only time you will kill a decent vaga is when they are in a bigger battle and get webbed by someone they didn't see, or bouncing off the gate in a session change lag as they burn through a bubble. Ah well, based on how often some people die, I can understand why this thread caused so much confusion, few understand that mobility is the most important factor in solo ability, just as well I guess. So continue to think me 'stupid' for stating what I thought would be obvious to anyone with 0.0 pvp and living experience. This isn't 2004, things have changed quit a bit out there
AstroPhobic Minmatar STK Scientific	Posted - 2007.07.01 02:46:00 - [59] Originally by: Marketcheck2 Ugh people people..... If you don't fly much in 0.0 quit posting, you don't know, now go back to mission running and ganking noobs in .4. If you do, and you say you are seeing solo pvping Domi's, or Scorpions, or whatever, you are lying. Seriously. I have run into a few solo, but they were either ratting or noobs and they died because they couldn't escape. Can't burn out of a bubble, can't warp back to the gate fast enough, can't align quick enough before they die. Try to get a tackle on a Vagabond or a Sabre, now try to get one on a Ishtar, deimos, or eagle (rook can't kill anything anyways). Its really that simple. This has nothing to do with tanking, dps, but survivability with the firepower to kill something. The only time you will kill a decent vaga is when they are in a bigger battle and get webbed by someone they didn't see, or bouncing off the gate in a session change lag as they burn through a bubble. Ah well, based on how often some people die, I can understand why this thread caused so much confusion, few understand that mobility is the most important factor in solo ability, just as well I guess. So continue to think me 'stupid' for stating what I thought would be obvious to anyone with 0.0 pvp and living experience. This isn't 2004, things have changed quit a bit out there So you want a ship that evades camps while maintaning DPS and decent flexability. As if that's the only way to solo. Astro
SUPER J0SH	Posted - 2007.07.01 03:01:00 - [60] Originally by: Marketcheck2 Edited by: Marketcheck2 on 30/06/2007 16:17:47 Originally by: Patch86 So you're after a ship that can take on a small gang solo? I'm not sure such a ship exists, you know... You have no idea what I'm talking about. Vaga = great solo ship because it has good firepower and can escape! Ishtar = bad solo ship because it has very good firepower and can't escape. Ishtar and Vaga meet 1-1, who wins? Neither, the vaga just flies off and finds something else it can kill. Its not about who would win some no warp 1-1 duel people. Thats what solo pvp is about, being able to ESCAPE the blob's and gangs. Gallente and Caldari can't in any ship that can also solo firepower/bonus wise. I'm not sure why this is so hard to grasp. Edit: Someone point me to someone in the last 3 months soloing effectively in a Gallante/Caldari ship bigger than an interceptor on some killboard please. Ok so let me see if I understand.... 1. you define a good solo ship entirely by it's speed.... 2. you think killboards mean something.... Your credibility just went down the drain....
Josh Causto Gallente Fatalix Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.01 03:07:00 - [61] This man speaks the truth BUFF GALLENTE NERF AMARR!!! Originally by: Speed Devil Originally by: ReePeR McAllem Everytime you fit anything other than a laser on our ships, babies die. and when ya fit lasers on your ships nothing dies
StarCommWraith Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.01 04:03:00 - [62] Gallente- We ain't got **** nigra
Evil Bonzi Fire Mandrill	Posted - 2007.07.01 04:09:00 - [63] This is a joke?
Gryphin Rambaldi Gallente	Posted - 2007.07.01 04:14:00 - [64] The entire EVE IRC channel just spent 30 minutes laughing at the OP, and quoting great replies. You lose at EVE. Contract your stuff to Gryphin Rambaldi. Thank you.
Incantare Caldari Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.01 04:20:00 - [65] Originally by: Josh Causto This man speaks the truth BUFF GALLENTE NERF AMARR!!! YEAH!!!! I can't remember the number of times I lost my Eos to those Damnation things. So unfair. BUFF GALLENTE!!!!!
Anton March United Space Republic Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.01 04:40:00 - [66] IMO, Gallente have some of the best solo ships in the game. I have a Gallente speced alt and used to solo gatecamp lowsec in a Myrmidon, tanking sentries and still getting kills. Domis are great, Thorax, Vexor too. With good skills an Arazu will solo BS and BC without the enemy ever even getting a lock. Caldari, on the other hand, I do agree are not so hot at PvP, but they're the best PvE race in the game, by far, and their ECM boats are nice for gang/fleet. You can't have everything in one race.
Rock Delver	Posted - 2007.07.01 04:55:00 - [67] There's an EVE IRC channel?! :O
Hellaciouss Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.01 05:08:00 - [68] Originally by: Herculite Speed = life:Gallente = slow. Correct. Speed > Everything Tonight's the night the world begins again...
Antari Shiy Amarr	Posted - 2007.07.01 05:15:00 - [69] Sod it get rid of all the ships except shuttles ... bring in collision damage. Dodgems anyone ------------------------ Blink and you're dead ------------------------ Going to Jita is like poking someone with a stick and then crying when they punch you back.
Sentinel Eeex Caldari Lords Of Amber	Posted - 2007.07.01 05:24:00 - [70] Originally by: Marketcheck2 Ugh people people..... If you don't fly much in 0.0 quit posting, you don't know, now go back to mission running and ganking noobs in .4. If you do, and you say you are seeing solo pvping Domi's, or Scorpions, or whatever, you are lying. Seriously. I have run into a few solo, but they were either ratting or noobs and they died because they couldn't escape. Can't burn out of a bubble, can't warp back to the gate fast enough, can't align quick enough before they die. Try to get a tackle on a Vagabond or a Sabre, now try to get one on a Ishtar, deimos, or eagle (rook can't kill anything anyways). Its really that simple. This has nothing to do with tanking, dps, but survivability with the firepower to kill something. The only time you will kill a decent vaga is when they are in a bigger battle and get webbed by someone they didn't see, or bouncing off the gate in a session change lag as they burn through a bubble. Ah well, based on how often some people die, I can understand why this thread caused so much confusion, few understand that mobility is the most important factor in solo ability, just as well I guess. So continue to think me 'stupid' for stating what I thought would be obvious to anyone with 0.0 pvp and living experience. This isn't 2004, things have changed quit a bit out there Ok guys, we have FOUND HIM! The only person that lives in 0.0. We've finally founddddddd hiiiiimmmmm \o/
umop 3pisdn Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.07.01 05:48:00 - [71] Marketcheck2, post with your main so we can come laugh at you for not figuring out that gallente is the best all round race in the game. Caldari suck solo but you make isk so much faster ratting/missioning and missles are easy mode due to no optimal, no falloff, no tracking so dont *** about that either. Deimos needs some love especially since the HP boost but it will get it eventually. Vagas are for *s, its that simple, its just a big interceptor thats primary attribute is being able to run away. Gallente recons damp/scram bonus is amazing, its probably the most usefull for soloing if you intend to hunt bigger ships. Get a main that can fly... well... any of them and then come ***.
Lord Thalic Amarr	Posted - 2007.07.01 05:53:00 - [72] Is this a late April joke? Not a very good one if it is....
umop 3pisdn Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.07.01 05:56:00 - [73] Originally by: Marketcheck2 Ugh people people..... If you don't fly much in 0.0 quit posting, you don't know, now go back to mission running and ganking noobs in .4. If you do, and you say you are seeing solo pvping Domi's, or Scorpions, or whatever, you are lying. Seriously. I have run into a few solo, but they were either ratting or noobs and they died because they couldn't escape. Can't burn out of a bubble, can't warp back to the gate fast enough, can't align quick enough before they die. Try to get a tackle on a Vagabond or a Sabre, now try to get one on a Ishtar, deimos, or eagle (rook can't kill anything anyways). Its really that simple. This has nothing to do with tanking, dps, but survivability with the firepower to kill something. The only time you will kill a decent vaga is when they are in a bigger battle and get webbed by someone they didn't see, or bouncing off the gate in a session change lag as they burn through a bubble. Ah well, based on how often some people die, I can understand why this thread caused so much confusion, few understand that mobility is the most important factor in solo ability, just as well I guess. So continue to think me 'stupid' for stating what I thought would be obvious to anyone with 0.0 pvp and living experience. This isn't 2004, things have changed quit a bit out there Dear god if only you had a main who had been to 0.0. Ever. You're in FLA arent you? no wait.. .Sparta! wait.. .FIX!? ex Xelas?
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.07.01 08:14:00 - [74] Edited by: Frug on 01/07/2007 08:13:54 HOLY CRAP! Gallente have no good solo ships!!! WTF has been going on? Where have I been? Edit: Dear op. Post with your main. We need someone to humiliate. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.07.01 08:40:00 - [75] sig'd SuccessfulTroll is Successful - You keep using that word . . . I do not think it means what you think it means
Arch Revenant Gallente The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.01 09:03:00 - [76] Originally by: Crumplecorn sig'd SuccessfulTroll is Successful Touche Mr. Salesman. Touche. Be one with the fork. The path of the fork is the one true path.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.07.01 09:27:00 - [77] Originally by: Arch Revenant Touche Mr. Salesman. Touche. All my Internets couldn't tell me what this means. - You keep using that word . . . I do not think it means what you think it means
Tobias Sjodin Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.07.01 09:45:00 - [78] This must be the case of the 3-year old who just came to the conclusion that everyone is wrong, and the 3-year old is right. - Recruitment open again-
Brue Gauzer	Posted - 2007.07.01 09:49:00 - [79] boost Domi with interceptor speed, that ship really suck, it just cant kill anything bigger than 5 man blob
Auron Shadowbane Teeth Of The Hydra R i s e	Posted - 2007.07.01 09:51:00 - [80] dont know what you really want but if you want to get alive trough blobs I'd suggest any ceptor that is not matari (cause their zeptors are fat) or a covops. if you want to kill multiple hostiles at once I'd suggest a drone-bs like the domi or to some excess mega. otherwise I'd suggest adding some clue first... Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes. erm, no? Size: 22.98 KB (23528 Bytes)
Jack Target Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.07.01 10:00:00 - [81] I was going to troll and flame the OP, but I was beaten to it!
d026 THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.07.01 10:48:00 - [82] solo pvp is not viable anymore...
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.01 11:16:00 - [83] Originally by: Marketcheck2 Edited by: Marketcheck2 on 30/06/2007 16:03:00 Allow me to add. IF gallente ships are good for solo (and Caldari) WHY do you see so many Vagabonds, Sabres, and Curses as solo ships? Why not Eagles, Ishtars, etc? Whens the last time you heard a mining op popped by a Caldari/Gallente solo ship? You don't, DPS/Tank is not a solo trait, ESCAPE and adequate firepower is. Edit: I have a feeling I'm having this argument with Empire carebears who think NPCing alone = solo, I'm talking pvp chaps. Simply because Ammar has no other good ships for small scale PVP so they all go for curse. And everyoen that flies minmatar is obvsessed with speed so they slowly hover for vaga or sabre. And if you looked EON number on ships existing in eve you would see there are far mroe flycatchers than sabre. So STFU, get some data before you look even more dumb. If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Sokratesz Paradox v2.0 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.01 11:29:00 - [84] Dude even the velator is omgoverpowered among the noobie frigs so if anything they need a nerf.
Vyktor Abyss The Abyss Corporation	Posted - 2007.07.01 11:29:00 - [85] The Myrmidon is for my money the best ship I've flown. It has the HP, cap, speed and most importantly the versatile slots to take down virtually ny smaller ship or ship of the same class if fitted correctly. I've not tried soloing battleships (yet)....But I'm pretty confident with the right setup you could have a ***** at certain battleships. At 30-something million ISK too - There's nothing better IMHO. - Ideas are my business...maybe thats why I'm always skint! Please read my ideas
Awyn Lothr Andromeda BR United Corporations of Eve	Posted - 2007.07.01 11:37:00 - [86] **** it lets just give up on Amarr. Actually lets take the race out of Eve and every amarr pilot can choose another race to change to and keep its SP. I'm tired of Gallente / Minmatar / Caldari pilots whinning about their ships.
Brodde Dim	Posted - 2007.07.01 12:26:00 - [87] Good thread, made DT seem shorter. Though OP should have used his main, or atleast a char thats not so obviusly an alt, to make it look serious. Suggestion for next troll-topic: "Why cant Caldari have a good PVE ship" or "Nerf Amarr" And on the topic, I can understand the game has deteriorated since they nerfed warpstabbed ravens. (Wich seems to be the defenition of a solo pvp ship in this case)
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.01 12:43:00 - [88] Originally by: Marketcheck2 Ugh people people..... If you don't fly much in 0.0 quit posting, you don't know, now go back to mission running and ganking noobs in .4. If you do, and you say you are seeing solo pvping Domi's, or Scorpions, or whatever, you are lying. Seriously. I have run into a few solo, but they were either ratting or noobs and they died because they couldn't escape. Can't burn out of a bubble, can't warp back to the gate fast enough, can't align quick enough before they die. Try to get a tackle on a Vagabond or a Sabre, now try to get one on a Ishtar, deimos, or eagle (rook can't kill anything anyways). Its really that simple. This has nothing to do with tanking, dps, but survivability with the firepower to kill something. The only time you will kill a decent vaga is when they are in a bigger battle and get webbed by someone they didn't see, or bouncing off the gate in a session change lag as they burn through a bubble. Ah well, based on how often some people die, I can understand why this thread caused so much confusion, few understand that mobility is the most important factor in solo ability, just as well I guess. So continue to think me 'stupid' for stating what I thought would be obvious to anyone with 0.0 pvp and living experience. This isn't 2004, things have changed quit a bit out there I've played almost exclusively in 0.0 since some time early 2006, and I solo in a Domi. Promise. I have all my SP in Gallente (just enough in Caldari to fly an Osprey for POS sieges, zero in the other two, unless you can count my lurking alt that can fly a rifter), and I only ever solo in my Domi, or occasionally my Myrm when I'm feeling cheap. By and large, I win a lot more than I lose. You're welcome to think what you like, but I promise you that many 0.0 inhabitants are very happy soloing in non-Minmatar ships. If you're so in love with the Minmatar playstyle, why not just train Minmatar? --------
tommit	Posted - 2007.07.01 12:45:00 - [89] hmm hmm emm blastertron, there inty's etc... gellente got the strongest ships in this game. it is right though that caldari is a bit in a lag of good ships after there 10'th missile nerf, and the fact that its either shield tank or ew you equep. but amarr have it worse then all, so start focusing in those poor guys, then on caldari, then on gellente and then its all balanced out... but well you know what ship the creaters use, soo might as well skip these post, it ARNT changing
5T1G	Posted - 2007.07.01 12:57:00 - [90] Originally by: Marketcheck2 can't warp back to the gate fast enough Originally by: Marketcheck2 (rook can't kill anything anyways) I lol'd Also would like to request some of what you are smoking?
Natalia Fachiri Minmatar Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.01 12:59:00 - [91] anyone woh posts with his alt, telling people to shut up if they dont live in 0.0, should take his own advice and shut up.
tommit	Posted - 2007.07.01 13:01:00 - [92] Originally by: Hellaciouss Originally by: Herculite Speed = life:Gallente = slow. Correct. Speed > Everything actually sad but abit to true... why excatly is it that the guns have a optimal, and if you go beyound that you can never hit... thats just stupid as hell... the change should just go down... well nvm, there is so many things unbalanced and stupid in this game, if your not prepared to fight or become a part of bob+pet you might as well leave the game, since they keep on nerfing missions (mainly by setting the ew in them quite high, and making them harder and harder thereby reducing the isk gain per hour) and they keep on boosting 0.0 activetives, gatecamps, ganking, blob fights and cap ships and 3year+ players capabillity compared to newer players.. this is a noob type game that only compete on one thing, how good in touch you are with bob/the creators and how long time/how many sp, your charecter have... skills is out of the window since all it is, is focus fire, and have the isk for the most exspensive modules and then just a standard setup for the type of ship you use, pvp without s webber and scrambler (unless dictor or large disruptors) and your a gonna. most fights are decided by the who have the most capacitor, which means against most ship nos type speed setup will the the i win. i have heard people say this is a "elite" game, but elite is decided by the amount of work that you have to put into the specifik subject to become the best. in this game it have nothing to do with how much you work, but just how long you have been in the game and how many "importent" people you know. most games that are elite a really good player comes in, multi game 24/7/364 and he will rule those that have been there for years, just by his talent and time put into the game. in eve, no matter how talented you are, you don't stand much chance against a charecter from the game start, simply becouse of the unbalanced mechanics and ships... caps rule over all other ships just as an exsample, its just plain stupid. only way to take down the new "i win bottom" is to nos its cap, how wierd is that "ow yer we can kill it by misusing a mechanic and putting nosses on as our main weaponry". why?! where the freak is the balance, and why should new players want to come into the game?! you ARN'T elite in eve... eve is for no life noobs that dont have the skills to actually compete in a game which is anything else but afk time and numbers of players (the isk isnt even considered since every one in bob+pet and 0.0 will have more then enough of them, which means 3year and older players will have no problem by founding it
Incantare Caldari Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.01 13:03:00 - [93] Wall of text.
Pry Maraai Amarr	Posted - 2007.07.01 13:21:00 - [94] Edited by: Pry Maraai on 01/07/2007 13:20:26 Originally by: tommit yadi yada alt char rabble I think by calling Eve an elite game, they are refering to David Brabens Elite Wiki And as a semi new player, I have no problem fitting in. The game is gang/corp/alliance oriented, and optimum isnt 100% titans in every fleet :P
Malcanis High4Life Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.01 13:44:00 - [95] Allow my to translate his post: "I'm the best of all my friends at Halo/counterstrike/WoW, therefore I deserve to be the best at EvE too. But I'm not so EvE is a crappy game."
Herculite Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.01 15:27:00 - [96] I think the confusion here is 'pvp' vrs 'ganking'. Gallente and Caldari do NOT have good solo gank ships. Ganking requires you get in fast, lock something down, kill something, avoid the blob. You don't do that in any Gal/Caldari ship besides a crow/ranis and being ceptors that really limits your firepower. If people came at you 1-1 like a bad 70's Ninja movie, both races would be great at solo, but thats usually not the case
Lynal Gallente Peregrin Avionics	Posted - 2007.07.01 17:01:00 - [97] Originally by: Fellet Gallente doesnt have good solo ships ? apparently the op has never faced off against a domi or myrm fitted out with nos, or a blaster rax, or a blasterthron, or a... etc etc.
Meeko Gloom The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.07.01 17:05:00 - [98] Originally by: Marketcheck2 Right now every good solo ship is either Minimatar or a Curse/Pilgram. Thats about it. Why do you think we see 10* the vagabonds for every hac on the field, and the same for sabres? Nannophoon got nerfed a bit but its still the only BS that can solo and have an ok chance of surviving. Caldari does have the crow, but it lacks the firepower, and Gallante has....well nothing. Their respective recons might be fine for gangs but you won't kill much solo with them. The key is SPEED (or in the curse/pilgrams case nice bonuses). You need to be able to avoid the blob and you can't do that in an Ishtar, you can't do that in a deimos (hac slower than its t1 equivalent no less), Falcon isn't going to do anything there, eagle is nice for sniper fleets but again, its pretty useless solo vrs anyone semi-competent. With training times so long it means if you want to do a few things on your own you need to have either picked correctly as a noob, buy a character, or spend a few 100 days to get up to speed. I'm not asking for total balance, I'm just asking for all races to have some diverse options. Take a look at Gallante recons for a 'what?' you get a missle and a gun bonus? Thats really really usefull How long have you been playing eve? Gallente has the most solo ships in the game. You sir just dont know how to fit your ships. How about you learn how to PvP then come say gallente ships cant hold their own. kthnxbye -------------------------- Guns dont Kill People Drones Do
Marketcheck2	Posted - 2007.07.01 17:14:00 - [99] Sigh.... If another target tells me that because a domi/myr is good in a 1-1 that makes it a solo ship I'm going to bet they are not very good. No one, including myself is saying a raven or domi or whatever can't win a 1-1, domi if fit right is a beast 1-1, but that has absolutely nothing to do with solo pvp in enemy territory. I think the closest I've seen in the last 2 years was a blasterthron hanging around 0.0 stations with a interceptor alt scouting, tackling. Not really solo. So LOL all you want, I just need to remember thats why eve has victims.
Leonie Eisenberg	Posted - 2007.07.01 17:20:00 - [100] I'm getting about tired of this mentality of "there is only one way to do things, mine!" There are plenty of potential speed tanks in the game where you can do what the OP and his supporters insist you can't. That they're not common doesn't make them invalid. It's just too many people get an idea that there is a "single best way" to do something. Having got it in their heads, they proclaim it loudly and often and the lemmings follow blindly. However, if you really look around, with an OPEN MIND, you can see that there are a lot of ships you can rig with a speed tank than can perform in a nearly identical function. Some can even out-perform the Vagabond. But, for now, the Vagabond is the "hot ship" with the lemmings. Just like others have been in the past and, I'm sure, others will be in the future.
Lynal Gallente Peregrin Avionics	Posted - 2007.07.01 17:26:00 - [101] Originally by: Marketcheck2 Sigh.... If another target tells me that because a domi/myr is good in a 1-1 that makes it a solo ship I'm going to bet they are not very good. No one, including myself is saying a raven or domi or whatever can't win a 1-1, domi if fit right is a beast 1-1, but that has absolutely nothing to do with solo pvp in enemy territory. I think the closest I've seen in the last 2 years was a blasterthron hanging around 0.0 stations with a interceptor alt scouting, tackling. Not really solo. So LOL all you want, I just need to remember thats why eve has victims. lets try a different approach... the real question is why you're trying to take on gangs with no backup of your own. sorry but eve isnt designed that way... as just about everyone here has mentioned in one way or another. the reason everyone keeps going back to 1v1 situations is because 1v5 is a losing scenario no matter what you're flying. the only times its not is when the 5 are all noobs who don't have any concept of how to setup a gank gang... and you could fly just about anything and win (or escape if you prefer) against those kinds of players, assuming you're not a noob who has no clue how to fit and fly your ship as well.
Sorja E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.07.01 17:58:00 - [102] There's one great Caldari solo ship: the Moa. Everybody will engage you, even tech I frigates, so you'll get a fight in like 10 minutes after undocking. It's best solo ship in the game, IMHO. And with decent skills you could even kill a frig from time to time, provided they laugh at you a bit too long. Don't forget to put your 'Tuxford designed me!' sticker on before undocking. ____________________ A gentleman is someone who can play the bagpipe, but who does not.
Lt Angus Caldari the united	Posted - 2007.07.01 18:02:00 - [103] Best Thread Ever I assume its a joke Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers
ArmyOfMe Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.07.01 19:22:00 - [104] Originally by: Marketcheck2 Sigh.... If another target tells me that because a domi/myr is good in a 1-1 that makes it a solo ship I'm going to bet they are not very good. No one, including myself is saying a raven or domi or whatever can't win a 1-1, domi if fit right is a beast 1-1, but that has absolutely nothing to do with solo pvp in enemy territory. I think the closest I've seen in the last 2 years was a blasterthron hanging around 0.0 stations with a interceptor alt scouting, tackling. Not really solo. So LOL all you want, I just need to remember thats why eve has victims. if your so sure your right about all this, how come you have to come here on the forums with a alt and not your main?
Hectic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.01 19:36:00 - [105] Originally by: Sorja There's one great Caldari solo ship: the Moa. Everybody will engage you, even tech I frigates, so you'll get a fight in like 10 minutes after undocking. It's best solo ship in the game, IMHO. And with decent skills you could even kill a frig from time to time, provided they laugh at you a bit too long. Don't forget to put your 'Tuxford designed me!' sticker on before undocking. I agree, the Moa IS highly overpowered. :( Listen to BoB Radio!! WELCOME BACK MGRL
WisdomLikeSilence Gunfleet Logistics Rogue Method Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.01 19:57:00 - [106] Deimos, ishtar, arazu, domi, myrmidon Decide what you want to hunt, then go kill large quantities of the beast with the correct gallente ship for the job. Right now we are offering low, low prices on dual repping myrmidons. Thump your enemies in the teeth!
Baron Dots	Posted - 2007.07.01 20:22:00 - [107] Originally by: Herculite I'm full Gallente specced and I didn't just start a Minimatar alt for variety. Speed = life:Gallente = slow. markcheck2 is your alt.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.01 20:34:00 - [108] Originally by: WisdomLikeSilence Deimos Lol, Deimos. Gallente kick some serious arse, but the Deimos is most definitely the runt of the litter. Unless something big has changed since the last time I flew one (which is possible, feel free to tell me ), they're not exactly what I'd call a hot ship. Observe above the BoB Deimos getting creamed by an RHN Moa... --------
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.07.01 21:37:00 - [109] Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: WisdomLikeSilence Deimos Lol, Deimos. Gallente kick some serious arse, but the Deimos is most definitely the runt of the litter. Unless something big has changed since the last time I flew one (which is possible, feel free to tell me ), they're not exactly what I'd call a hot ship. Observe above the BoB Deimos getting creamed by an RHN Moa... Deimos doesn't do too well under sentry fire... --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.01 22:08:00 - [110] Edited by: Patch86 on 01/07/2007 22:06:45 Originally by: Hllaxiu Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: WisdomLikeSilence Deimos Lol, Deimos. Gallente kick some serious arse, but the Deimos is most definitely the runt of the litter. Unless something big has changed since the last time I flew one (which is possible, feel free to tell me ), they're not exactly what I'd call a hot ship. Observe above the BoB Deimos getting creamed by an RHN Moa... Deimos doesn't do too well under sentry fire... None the less. Try reading the 44 page thread about it. --------
Dark Kavar Caldari Aionios Diadochi Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.01 23:16:00 - [111] Originally by: Marketcheck2 Edited by: Marketcheck2 on 30/06/2007 16:03:00 Why not Eagles, Ishtars, etc? Whens the last time you heard a mining op popped by a Caldari/Gallente solo ship? Actually, I've busted up a mining op solo in a drake, I have a corp mate that has busted up small gangs solo in a hyperion, same corp mate killed a mega and his tackler in a myrmidon (solo), same corp mate has taken on a few small gangs in a domi and come out on top, and yet again same corp mate has killed quite a few mining ops solo in a thorax. Kind of like the Triforce in Zelda, only not quite as potent.
Fubarski Caldari Centauri Project	Posted - 2007.07.01 23:39:00 - [112] Originally by: Marketcheck2 Sigh.... Really, Sigh... Enyo (with rockets), Taranis, Plate-Thorax, Deimos, Astarte, Celestis (if you train missile skills), Tristan (Missile skills again), Incursus, Megathron, Brutix. All of these ships (and more) have decent soloing capability. Hell, a friend of mine, last night, rolled a nub gallente alt, and got two solo kills within two hours! You need to define what you want to use as "solo", because frankly, being able to run away isn't just the Minmitar's playground, and there are many, many ways to skin a cat. Minmitar have a few things going for them; their "play area" is usually outside of an equal ships NOS/Web/Scram range, they have good speed, and a capless weapon design. They ARE the race that is designed around non-fleet combat. They ARE the guerilla warfare experts in the game. Their drawbacks are: Split tanking design forces you to double your "tank" skillpoints if you want to use the entire ship-line; reliance on speed for survival (web=insta-screwed for the most part... gallente getting webbed="hey, it's in my optimal now! BANG SPLAT") Lower weapon damage than equally skilled counterparts, etc, etc... I've never seen a Vagabond do what a Deimos can do in a fleet. Your argument has merits based on it's singular axis. But Eve is multi-faceted; there are many ways to play the game. Just because a race doesn't meet what you see as "fit" that doesn't mean it's wrong. It just doesn't match your expectations. Fubarski
Fubarski Caldari Centauri Project	Posted - 2007.07.01 23:44:00 - [113] Originally by: Hectic I agree, the Moa IS highly overpowered. :( OMG NERF BILLBOARDS Fubarski
Milton Keynes Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.07.02 00:56:00 - [114] Originally by: Marketcheck2 Right now every good solo hit and run ship is either Minimatar or a Curse/Pilgram. Fixed There is a reason for that. Minmatar are the guerilla warfare race. Nothing wrong with that. Solo PvP does NOT mean hit and run PvP. Gallente are good at in your face, solo gank PvP. Anarr and Caldari supposedly have better DPS at range which makes them better for gang and fleet PvP. Each race has it's own unique PvP style. Amarr needs the most attention when it comes to PvP changes. Certain Caldari & Minmatar ships could do with some tweaking (e.g Moa/Bellicose and Ferox/Cyclone) but most are fine. In comparison, Gallente ships are all pretty good.
Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2007.07.02 01:24:00 - [115] Originally by: Herculite I'm full Gallente specced and I didn't just start a Minimatar alt for variety. Speed = life:Gallente = slow. this is how it is. \m/ Metal Head \m/
Cadiz Caldari No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.07.02 03:10:00 - [116] The Myrmidon is a fantastic solo PvP ship. I have several corpmates who fly them nigh-exclusively when they're out roaming for kills by themselves or in small groups. ------ Director, No Quarter "There is no problem that cannot be solved by the judicious application of violence."
Orion Eridanus Dark Nova Crisis	Posted - 2007.07.02 11:11:00 - [117] Everyone is missing the OP's point, I think he's trying to say EVE is a solo game and everyone who flys around with friends, corpmates, and alliances is playing the game the wrong way.
Aramendel Amarr Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.07.02 11:19:00 - [118] Originally by: Herculite I'm full Gallente specced and I didn't just start a Minimatar alt for variety. Speed = life:Gallente = 2nd fastest race in eve Fixed.
MaxSkywalker x13 Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.07.02 11:24:00 - [119] Estamel's modified flame armor hardener deactivates, as Marketcheck2's thread begins to explode. - I live of government cheese! NERF THE BOMBS!!
5T1G	Posted - 2007.07.02 12:01:00 - [120] I don't get it Of course minmatar are the best at hit and run attacks and blob dodging. Read there ship descriptions, it is what allmost every ship is designed to do... Now read the Gallente ship descriptions and read all about close range powerhouses and survivable tanks. This is what gallente are good at... Don't train the close range, tanking, dps race and then expect to be able to play like the speed, kiting, agility race.
Cpt Branko Guardian Heroes	Posted - 2007.07.02 12:20:00 - [121] If you want fast ship for running away so much, get an Ares. For 5ish mil, you get a ship which can escape nearly any fight, possibly even better then the much more expensive Vagabond ;P Anyway, you're only looking at HACs & recons and using a essentially Minmatar playstyle (skrimish warfare) and draw conclusions from that that Gallente & Caldari suck for solo, regardless of the fact that Gallente have superior ships in oh-so-many cathegories to everyone else.
Spy4Hire	Posted - 2007.07.02 12:24:00 - [122] Caldari solo boats: Cruise Raven w/ a good pilot. Drake - Slow as sin, but take enough punishment to mete out some real agony even solo) Blackbird - Crappy DPS, but if you jam the sucker and keep him webbed/scrammed, he dies... eventually. Harpy - marvelous solo raider against small targets & industrials. Flycatcher - Same, just not as fast as the Sabre.` Cerberus - Evil in close w/ T2 heavy assaults. Can kill all sorts of stuff amazingly fast. Falcon/Rook - Like the blackbird, but more efficient. Capable of solo, but not stellar at it. Nighthawk - Quite good as a solo hunter, can tank about as good as a drake and deal out considerable pain.
Cornucopian Gallente Dutch Omega	Posted - 2007.07.02 14:03:00 - [123] I want a shuttle which has the inherent ability (with energy emission 1) to launch a DDD that does 900K damage and is 3 systems wide. It should have a cycle duration of 10 seconds. It should fly at 50K K/m/s It should have a signal ratio of -1M and be untargetable. Also it should have a cargo space of 900K, and be able to field enough drones so I can yell: Our drones, WILL BLOT OUT THE SUN! Please name it the spartan, and give it a cape. please. it's awful, I can't pwn anything or run away without it. please make this for me CCP? /sarcasm off or else PLEASE just lock this thread down.... ----------------------------------------------- "CCP can't reply to Lag issues; our offices are currently experienceing desynch/lag issues. we are working on the problem."
Mangold Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.07.02 14:05:00 - [124] A corpie solo'd a faction fitted mach in his T2 raven this morning.

Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 :: [one page]

COPYRIGHT NOTICE
EVE Online, the EVE logo, EVE and all associated logos and designs are the intellectual property of CCP hf. All artwork, screenshots, characters, vehicles, storylines, world facts or other recognizable features of the intellectual property relating to these trademarks are likewise the intellectual property of CCP hf. EVE Online and the EVE logo are the registered trademarks of CCP hf. All rights are reserved worldwide. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. CCP hf. has granted permission to EVE-Search.com to use EVE Online and all associated logos and designs for promotional and information purposes on its website but does not endorse, and is not in any way affiliated with, EVE-Search.com. CCP is in no way responsible for the content on or functioning of this website, nor can it be liable for any damage arising from the use of this website.