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Stitcher Caldari legion of qui Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.30 18:47:00 - [31] Technically, any ship can theoretically be used for solo PvP, and used well... provided you come up against the right opponent. oh, and good Caldari solo PvP ship? how about the Scorpion? or the Blackbird/Rook? The hell with tanking, those things can just deny all the target locks ever. ***
Marketcheck2	Posted - 2007.06.30 19:06:00 - [32] Originally by: Stitcher Technically, any ship can theoretically be used for solo PvP, and used well... provided you come up against the right opponent. oh, and good Caldari solo PvP ship? how about the Scorpion? or the Blackbird/Rook? The hell with tanking, those things can just deny all the target locks ever. When is the last time you saw a solo Scorpion in 0.0? Rook can get away but can't kill anything, horrible dps. Sorry but really, lets get real here.
Tnanever Risen	Posted - 2007.06.30 19:07:00 - [33] Originally by: Marketcheck2 Originally by: Stitcher Technically, any ship can theoretically be used for solo PvP, and used well... provided you come up against the right opponent. oh, and good Caldari solo PvP ship? how about the Scorpion? or the Blackbird/Rook? The hell with tanking, those things can just deny all the target locks ever. When is the last time you saw a solo Scorpion in 0.0? Rook can get away but can't kill anything, horrible dps. Sorry but really, lets get real here. Theoretically....if a scorpion scrambles you, webs you, and ECMs you, can't it just do moderate DPS until you died? Wouldn't it win most of the time, vs most ships, due to it's ECM capability?
Marketcheck2	Posted - 2007.06.30 19:07:00 - [34] Originally by: Aramendel Originally by: Marketcheck2 Vaga = great solo ship because it has good firepower and can escape! Ishtar = bad solo ship because it has very good firepower and can't escape. Actually you can nano up an ishtar to be faster than a curse. And have 5 heavy drones instead 5 meds. Yea but the nanno nerf killed that one outright.
Aramendel Amarr Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.06.30 19:33:00 - [35] Originally by: Marketcheck2 Actually you can nano up an ishtar to be faster than a curse. And have 5 heavy drones instead 5 meds. Yea but the nanno nerf killed that one outright. Nooo? Why should it? No problem at all to get 3.8 km/s with t2 equipment and t1 rigs. Solo. That is quite fine for a low budget speedtank. Had 2 people in my old corp/alliance using that very efficiently.
5T1G	Posted - 2007.06.30 19:39:00 - [36] Hi, I picked the race that own face up close and personal and all there descriptions decalre them to be close range killing machines. However I have seen some minmatar ships using there speed, range and good piloting knowledge to beat my gallente ships 1v1. I don't think it is fair that minmatar are actually good at something. That is pretty much what I gleaned from this thread. yawn
Razvedchitsa	Posted - 2007.06.30 20:05:00 - [37] The majority of posters obviously do not understand what OP is talking about. While gallente have plenty of ships that are able to kill in 1vs1 fights. There are no ships that can escape situations in which you can not win. Like vaga.
Richard Aiel Caldari MicroFunks	Posted - 2007.06.30 20:49:00 - [38] AH, yer talking about PVP... See, When I saw this I thought u were talkig missioning etc an was gonna ask about Drakes and Ravens lol >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Engage brain before typing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Quincy TawHarr Minmatar Empire of Destiny	Posted - 2007.06.30 20:53:00 - [39] Originally by: Razvedchitsa The majority of posters obviously do not understand what OP is talking about. While gallente have plenty of ships that are able to kill in 1vs1 fights. There are no ships that can escape situations in which you can not win. Like vaga. I think they do actually. What the OP seems to want is every race to have a fast ship that can get away when things go sour.... Which will work great until the OP runs into the same version of the minmatar and can't get away. Then of course he/she will return and say the system is broken. Everyone else is pointing out that every race's ships have a "theme" and things that they're good at and things they're weaker at. I certainly wouldn't say that minmatar ships are the "best" but they are very good at being quick. I could also complain about Caldari missile boats being good at PvE using the same case, it's after all the same arguement. Personally I like that the races ships are styled for different skill sets and tactics.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.06.30 21:00:00 - [40] Just fit up a Gallente BlasterBoat and shout 'Leroy Jenkins' every time you jump through a 0.0 gate. That's how Real Men solo PvP. - You keep using that word . . . I do not think it means what you think it means

Santa Anna Caldari Blackguard Brigade Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.30 21:09:00 - [41] Originally by: Herculite I'm full Gallente specced and I didn't just start a Minimatar alt for variety. Speed = life:Gallente = slow. One race will always be fastest. That's minmatar. Gallente are faster than Caldari and Amarr and, for the most part, can kill anything they can web. For the most part, Gallente own from 0-12km and minmatar own the rest. (There are a couple pockets where amarr and caldari are about the same as gallente or minmatar, but it's not generally solo.) _____ Heat Warfare
BTuna	Posted - 2007.06.30 21:23:00 - [42] 1 v 1 is a very small part of Eve, much less overall pvp. The only dense person here are the ones who don't understand that all races are different for a reason and have their own roles. They aren't balanced for a reason and trying to create some sort of balance in such a specific and limiting category such at 1 v 1 is just moronic. Keep whining or adapt, your choice.
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.06.30 21:49:00 - [43] Originally by: Tnanever Risen Originally by: Marketcheck2 Originally by: Stitcher Technically, any ship can theoretically be used for solo PvP, and used well... provided you come up against the right opponent. oh, and good Caldari solo PvP ship? how about the Scorpion? or the Blackbird/Rook? The hell with tanking, those things can just deny all the target locks ever. When is the last time you saw a solo Scorpion in 0.0? Rook can get away but can't kill anything, horrible dps. Sorry but really, lets get real here. Theoretically....if a scorpion scrambles you, webs you, and ECMs you, can't it just do moderate DPS until you died? Wouldn't it win most of the time, vs most ships, due to it's ECM capability? I did try. I had a PvP fit, that I'd worked on for a while. Tell ya what though. It's humiliating having a hauler tank you to fly back to the gate and jump. I mean, seriously. Being killed by a scorp, is like being mugged by a hamster. Theoretically possibly, and very embarassing when it happens, but not actually all that likely. Scorps, actually, I think scorps _could_ be viable. However, when you combine the worst locking time, with the highest mass and lowest base speed, with a ship that ... well, actually you _can_ get a good success rate with ECMs, but ... well if you don't use at least 4 slots on essential mods (A sensor booster is essential, otherwise even BS will mock you and warp off before you lock) then you won't catch much. Scorps, Falcons, BBs and Rooks, I'm afraid have suffered. Back in the day, ECMs used to be guaranteed lockdown, and missiles didn't have explosion velocity and radius. Then, the scorp was nerfbatted repeatedly, because it was a pretty good solopwnmobile. Now, these ships are your only realistic choices for jamming, but the price they pay is that of being a one trick pony. They can jam. Their damage output is miserable, and their tank non existant. Your mids are ECMs, your lows are SDAs. OK, so you might have a spare slot for a plate on a scorp. Oh, and you're flying the fattest, slowest ships in their class, with the worst sensor resolutions. They're PvP only ships, but ... well I'm really not seeing many on the field these days. I still fly a Scorp from time to time, but my Rokh seems to be entirely a more valuable addition to a fleet. As such, they really are fleet only.
Santa Anna Caldari Blackguard Brigade Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.30 21:52:00 - [44] If a scorp could fit 5 heavies in its drone bay it'd be a fun solo ship. _____ Heat Warfare
Bryg Philomena Green Lantern Corps	Posted - 2007.06.30 22:00:00 - [45] I have seen mega's go toe to toe solo and kick butt. I know my domi is a wonderful ship that I solo in. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Am I reading this correctly? You claim you have a bug that undresses female avatars???
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.30 22:04:00 - [46] Bottom line is that Gallente is the second fastest race in the game, after Minmatar. Faster than Caldari, and faster than Amarr. If you want a fast ship, train Minmatar. BUT, I solo all the time, and I have zero Minmatar SP. I just don't see speed as all that important. I much rather the ability to kill almost anything I come up against (with a fair chance of escape) over less killing power and bigger chance of escape. If you really like the play style of Minmatar ships, train damned Minmatar. Some of us are extremely happy with the way Gallente solo, just the way they are... Each race has it's strengths and play styles. Train the one that appeals to you, not a different one and campaign for changes or cloned ships. --------
Louis DelaBlanche Cosmic Odyssey YouWhat	Posted - 2007.06.30 22:22:00 - [47] I like soloing in gallente ships even if i do die alot in them . Dieing to blobs sucks, but fighting against the odds knowing that u have to do more then just align to a warp out & hit the mwd to be much more satisfying if i come out on top. At gates & stations, its usually quite possible to just get back to jump/dockingrange & getting out that way. Vagas, nanocurses etc may be good if your idea of sucessful solo PvP is knowing u can just run away if needs be. But u can be sure if u show up in one ur gonna have alot of ppl on ur ass sooner or later, because ur in a ship that annoys the heck out of alot of ppl & those ppl will be happy to do nasty things to the burning wreck of your ship if they get the chance. Personally, I like PvP where, once committed (agressed & agressing) you have to see it through to the end win or lose. & if the ppl im fighting have to call for obcene numbers to deal with me, I just find it flattering (if frustrating) that they were so insecure of winning they needed such numbers . But each to their own i guess.
Araxmas The Blue Dagger Mercenery Agency	Posted - 2007.06.30 22:27:00 - [48] NIGHTHAWK!!!! -------- Robbie Rotten left me
ArmyOfMe Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.06.30 22:34:00 - [49] Originally by: Marketcheck2 Edited by: Marketcheck2 on 30/06/2007 16:03:00 Allow me to add. IF gallente ships are good for solo (and Caldari) WHY do you see so many Vagabonds, Sabres, and Curses as solo ships? Why not Eagles, Ishtars, etc? Whens the last time you heard a mining op popped by a Caldari/Gallente solo ship? You don't, DPS/Tank is not a solo trait, ESCAPE and adequate firepower is. Edit: I have a feeling I'm having this argument with Empire carebears who think NPCing alone = solo, I'm talking pvp chaps. first of, post with your main. second, you sir are a moron if u think gallante doesnt have solo ships
miskagirl	Posted - 2007.06.30 23:18:00 - [50] Wasting your time marketcheck is the typical teenager who needs some pattened pwnmobile to play these types of games. He is why FOTM was created. Without something overpowered to use he will whine incessantly that teh game is not fair. Take note, about 20 different posters have disagreed with you i think 1 has agreed ( which is prolly your alt ). clearly YOU are looking for something that really doesn;t exist except for in the vagabond to a degree. PS if you cannot fit nearly any ship to escape a blob it isnt the ship that is the issue it is you. Not sure about you but my vagabond doesn't have an escape blob button.

MotoTsume Gallente Clan Black Scorpion	Posted - 2007.06.30 23:31:00 - [51] Originally by: Hasak Rain How about if we let them fix Amarr before we even start to talk about giving you and the rest of Gallente pilots a ship that can take on an entire gang solo? Some of these Gallente pilots ***** me up. "Oh noes, I can't solo gangs!" Meanwhile, Amarr can't shoot their guns without running out of cap. But let's boost Gallente further.......... Forget about the Amarr- I want my Gallente Gank-O-Nator - It should be cruiser size - with Interceptor speed Domi Fittings - myrmidon resists - Able to use Fighter like Templars and offcause covet-ops II cloaks at full speed with ability to come out of cloak and lock and fire instantly Oh and it should also have huge bonus' to web range and warp scram range while have a build in +4 warp core stab that dont affect range and or targetting. It's just a game........Or is it?????
Marketcheck2	Posted - 2007.07.01 01:31:00 - [52] Bah, I just decided to do what someone else in this thread said and train a minamatar alt. No point in arguing with people who think a vaga is a bad choice because people will do worse things to you if they catch you, or people that think because a gank fit domi can beat a nano-phoon that the domi is a good solo ship. Its going to take 3 months but what the hell, it normally takes over 6 to see any sort of balance changes anyways
max bygraves	Posted - 2007.07.01 01:52:00 - [53] OP is clueless I stopped reading after the 2nd paragraph, seriously why do people post such tripe ?
Jake Stevens The League of Legitimate Nigerian Businessmen	Posted - 2007.07.01 02:07:00 - [54] Originally by: Marketcheck2 Bah, I just decided to do what someone else in this thread said and train a minamatar alt. No point in arguing with people who think a vaga is a bad choice because people will do worse things to you if they catch you, or people that think because a gank fit domi can beat a nano-phoon that the domi is a good solo ship. Its going to take 3 months but what the hell, it normally takes over 6 to see any sort of balance changes anyways Damn you're pretty stupid...
AstroPhobic Minmatar STK Scientific	Posted - 2007.07.01 02:19:00 - [55] Originally by: Marketcheck2 Bah, I just decided to do what someone else in this thread said and train a minamatar alt. No point in arguing with people who think a vaga is a bad choice because people will do worse things to you if they catch you, or people that think because a gank fit domi can beat a nano-phoon that the domi is a good solo ship. Its going to take 3 months but what the hell, it normally takes over 6 to see any sort of balance changes anyways The dominix isn't a solo ship because? I've seen them do downright stupid things. Myrmidon? Lets tank these 3 cruisers and that HAC and kill them all? Ishtar? It's not like you can nano it and drone people to death. What about the Eos? Too good of a tank? Astarte too much damage for you? Maybe the Ishkur, because it really can't preform. The Taranis really sucks too with it's awesome high blaster damage and ability to melt other ships at a whim. Arazu and Lachesis really suck too when they kill your ability to target and scram you from 50 off... Maybe the Vexor and Thorax? No, those really must suck... Megathron with blasters?! That wouldn't be able to kill ANYTHING! Did I miss one? [This thread rivals the one where a guy said he regularly trashes vagabonds in his crow.] Astro
The Slayer Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.01 02:29:00 - [56] The op basically wants a Caldari version of the Vagabond. I dont see whats so bad about this. Give the Gallente and the Amarr one too. But whats this? That amarr guy wants a recon with 40km scramble? Ok give amarr an Arazu varient. Oh and Caldari and Minnie too. And better give the other races the amarrs recon, so it isnt imbalanced. IN FACT why dont we just have all races able to use all ships! DAMN man thats a good idea! Wait what. What do you mean different races have different specialities. Sure minnie can go fast but I want to as well. WHY SHOULD I HAVE TO TRAIN SKILLS TO BE AS GOOD AS THAT GUY IN THE VAGABOND GRARRRHHHH. Yes quite.
Neuromandis Novastorm Inc Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.01 02:36:00 - [57] Edited by: Neuromandis on 01/07/2007 02:35:55 To the OP: Your arguments are good, the situation is as you describe, unfortunately both your conclusions and your suggested fixes are wrong. Fact: Minmatars have the best speed -> with speed you can escape -> Minmatars can escape BUT the part that says: I want not to lose my ship-> I must be able to Escape -> Minmatars are the best is ACCORDING TO YOUR TASTE AND PLAYSTYLE Some others say: I want what I'm shooting at to die -> I must be able to Gank -> Gallente are the best I won't comment on Caldari and Amarr, because frankly for solo they ARE second-rate choices, with the exception of Curse/Pilgrim and Crow. YOUR playstyle and taste says Escape is the most important, so Simply - You should fly minmatar. That is all there is to it. It is YOUR playstyle that demands it, not some broken game mechanic or some imbalance. People that do NOT feel the same as you, but would rather kill everything they can pin down, play Gallente. And they do just fine. I think the most solo BS kills are made by Dominixes and Megathrons. That's solo. They may lose more Megathrons than a minnie loses Vagabonds, but they may have killed a lot fatter targets by then. Not your playstyle, fine. But it is still a perfectly OK way to play. You want Speed and survivability - choose Minmatar. Simple as that. Neuromandis out.
Marketcheck2	Posted - 2007.07.01 02:39:00 - [58] Ugh people people..... If you don't fly much in 0.0 quit posting, you don't know, now go back to mission running and ganking noobs in .4. If you do, and you say you are seeing solo pvping Domi's, or Scorpions, or whatever, you are lying. Seriously. I have run into a few solo, but they were either ratting or noobs and they died because they couldn't escape. Can't burn out of a bubble, can't warp back to the gate fast enough, can't align quick enough before they die. Try to get a tackle on a Vagabond or a Sabre, now try to get one on a Ishtar, deimos, or eagle (rook can't kill anything anyways). Its really that simple. This has nothing to do with tanking, dps, but survivability with the firepower to kill something. The only time you will kill a decent vaga is when they are in a bigger battle and get webbed by someone they didn't see, or bouncing off the gate in a session change lag as they burn through a bubble. Ah well, based on how often some people die, I can understand why this thread caused so much confusion, few understand that mobility is the most important factor in solo ability, just as well I guess. So continue to think me 'stupid' for stating what I thought would be obvious to anyone with 0.0 pvp and living experience. This isn't 2004, things have changed quit a bit out there
AstroPhobic Minmatar STK Scientific	Posted - 2007.07.01 02:46:00 - [59] Originally by: Marketcheck2 Ugh people people..... If you don't fly much in 0.0 quit posting, you don't know, now go back to mission running and ganking noobs in .4. If you do, and you say you are seeing solo pvping Domi's, or Scorpions, or whatever, you are lying. Seriously. I have run into a few solo, but they were either ratting or noobs and they died because they couldn't escape. Can't burn out of a bubble, can't warp back to the gate fast enough, can't align quick enough before they die. Try to get a tackle on a Vagabond or a Sabre, now try to get one on a Ishtar, deimos, or eagle (rook can't kill anything anyways). Its really that simple. This has nothing to do with tanking, dps, but survivability with the firepower to kill something. The only time you will kill a decent vaga is when they are in a bigger battle and get webbed by someone they didn't see, or bouncing off the gate in a session change lag as they burn through a bubble. Ah well, based on how often some people die, I can understand why this thread caused so much confusion, few understand that mobility is the most important factor in solo ability, just as well I guess. So continue to think me 'stupid' for stating what I thought would be obvious to anyone with 0.0 pvp and living experience. This isn't 2004, things have changed quit a bit out there So you want a ship that evades camps while maintaning DPS and decent flexability. As if that's the only way to solo. Astro
SUPER J0SH	Posted - 2007.07.01 03:01:00 - [60] Originally by: Marketcheck2 Edited by: Marketcheck2 on 30/06/2007 16:17:47 Originally by: Patch86 So you're after a ship that can take on a small gang solo? I'm not sure such a ship exists, you know... You have no idea what I'm talking about. Vaga = great solo ship because it has good firepower and can escape! Ishtar = bad solo ship because it has very good firepower and can't escape. Ishtar and Vaga meet 1-1, who wins? Neither, the vaga just flies off and finds something else it can kill. Its not about who would win some no warp 1-1 duel people. Thats what solo pvp is about, being able to ESCAPE the blob's and gangs. Gallente and Caldari can't in any ship that can also solo firepower/bonus wise. I'm not sure why this is so hard to grasp. Edit: Someone point me to someone in the last 3 months soloing effectively in a Gallante/Caldari ship bigger than an interceptor on some killboard please. Ok so let me see if I understand.... 1. you define a good solo ship entirely by it's speed.... 2. you think killboards mean something.... Your credibility just went down the drain....



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