Also, I always felt EvE had a lot more in common with Traveler than D&D.

This was one of my first space games. Good fun. Tiny ass manuals, though.

Topical.

Makes no mention of my failure to use a hyphen at all. ;3

"Are the drones Ogres? I have a +9 dagger against Ogres! Where's the Mountain Dew? Am I getting drunk yet?"

You guys are missing the point. Games like Starcraft are the antithesis of games like EVE and WoW (I used D&D as a hilarious example).
This is why EVE isn't that fun imo.

Tomb of Horrors.

That's now how it works, silly. It's much simpler than that.

1d20 + gunnerGÇÖs ranged attack bonus + range penalty + starshipGÇÖs size modifier + targeting systemGÇÖs equipment bonus

A beam weapon has a maximum range of 10 increments. A projectile weapon has an unlimited range, since projectiles donGÇÖt lose inertia in space. StarshipGÇÖs Size Modifier: Starships are Huge, Gargantuan, or Colossal in size. Table: Starship Sizes notes the size modifiers for ships of different sizes. Targeting SystemGÇÖs Equipment Bonus: Most starships have computerized targeting systems to help gunners train weapons on targets. A standard targeting system provides an equipment bonus on the gunnerGÇÖs attack roll depending on the shipGÇÖs size: Huge +1, Gargantuan +2, Colossal +3. Improved targeting systems (see Starship Sensors) grant higher bonuses. Table: Starship Sizes summarizes the targeting system equipment bonuses for ships of different sizes.

More bout D&D modern rules at http://www.d20resources.com/future.d20.srd/starships/combat/combat.statistics/attack.roll.php

Think about it.

RNG: Check

Emphasis on RP: Check

Gear/stats > player skill: Check

Content is player generated: Check

I know this may come as a shock, but it's a conspiracy.
CCP are actually the biggest dungeon masters ever. Many people who play EVE came straight from D&D.
EVE is not an action gameGÇöit is not a strategy game... it is primarily a role playing game.

Also, 3.5 is IMHO the best version of D&D released to date, the people who came up with 4th, should however be executed and everything pertaining to 4th should be burned

4th is the most balanced edition to date, and turned that achievement into an object lesson that with balance comes boredom. The fact that it fixed the quadratic wizards, linear fighters problem pretty much means that no other D&D edition can touch it for balance.

3E and 3.5 are the editions I started on, and I like spending time on the mechanics of a character concept, so the customization it offers is perfect for me. Though balance is pretty laughable. (Clerics and Druids are by far and away the best melee fighters, etc)

Pathfinder, the ~3.75 that Paizo is currently putting out is where I'm at for a game that says "Look, casters are going to be more powerful than fighters at high level, nothing we can do about that, but we can make sure that fighting classes have interesting abilities and no dead levels, so they can be fun to play without worrying about 'balance'"

Grimtooth's Traps.

4th is the most balanced edition to date, and turned that achievement into an object lesson that with balance comes boredom. The fact that it fixed the quadratic wizards, linear fighters problem pretty much means that no other D&D edition can touch it for balance.

Don't know if any of you have any familiarity, but every layer and domain of the Abyss is different;

You realize this means I probably have 10-15 years on you. :ouch:

I actually spent good money on 3rd edition when it came out, and found it so diluted as to be nearly unplayable. The game had devolved into silly mechanics of power systems(Feats), crap skills with no depth, even crappier items with stacking bonuses, and character stucture that resembled stacked magic or pokemon card decks.

All the RP elements of the game were wiped with the introduction of 3rd, the worlds became plastic models with no real content, and the planes devolved to a basic notion that there was something out there.

The saddest part, is crafting a magical item now requires an appropriate feat and a few basic materials; where the knowledge of how to do so, has been completely lost. You don't even need spells, because the mechanics of the spell and magic system don't allow for it.

If I have any regrets, it's that I didn't quit sooner. It really is a waste of time better spent elsewhere either way; the only good thing that came with 3rd editon, is my realization of that. The fact that most players are pot-smoking, narcisistic idiots wasn't enough by itself; as I always figured I could find a good group. I never did.

Now it holds no appeal for me; or very little.

You guys are missing the point. Games like Starcraft are the antithesis of games like EVE and WoW (I used D&D as a hilarious example).
This is why EVE isn't that fun imo.