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Sesshomaru Sama
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Posted - 2007.07.03 12:43:00 -
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Here are a few things I would like to see in the future in regards to drones. Voice your support and sign the petition below to lobby for change.
Idea 1) Have the show info for drones you are currently using accurately depict how your skills and upgrades are actually affecting its stats like they have for every ship and other Module. Amazing how an entire Race's primary focus is over looked and under developed. Poor Gellente.
Idea 2) Incorporate a better user interface for drone deployment and control. Perhaps a series of key bindings would help. IE a blanket command for all drones to engage target.
Idea 3) user defined drone intellegence modifyers. Ie Solo Mode and Group Effort mode. Solo each drone acts independently of each other and group effort/hive mind targets are selected for the whole group by designating Setting a master for the others to slave off of. Ie Target automatic target selection bassed on class of ship as defined by ranks ie frigate can be set to 1 and a crusier set to 2 so when the drones are in auto mode they target frigates first that move within their automated proximy range and then continue to select targets based on the user defined system until an override is given in by the user.
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Moggy TheCat
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Posted - 2007.07.03 12:55:00 -
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signed
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Sesshomaru Sama
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Posted - 2007.07.03 12:55:00 -
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I Sesshomaru Sama am for Ideas 1 2 and 3.
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Washell Olivaw
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Posted - 2007.07.03 14:39:00 -
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1) Probably a good technical reason for it but high time it gets fixed anyway.
2) The whole interface could use a redesign, with customability as a design focus.
3) I'm a micromanager, would prefer to see a "dumb" mode in which the drones only do what I tell them and start picking their noses on the spot when I don't.
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Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
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Natalia Fachiri
Minmatar
Huang Yinglong
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.07.03 14:50:00 -
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signed. and I also want a dumb mode. Dumb mode would even reduce server load :)
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Cornucopian
Gallente
Dutch Omega
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Posted - 2007.07.03 14:50:00 -
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/signed
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Vasiliyan
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.07.03 15:07:00 -
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Key commands would be great.
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TimMc
The Caldari Confederation
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Posted - 2007.07.03 15:45:00 -
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/signed
Originally by: Vasiliyan
Key commands would be great.
and /signed
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Ajurna Jakar
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Posted - 2007.07.03 18:50:00 -
[9]
/signed
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Sylaera Nightwish
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Posted - 2007.07.04 17:25:00 -
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Edited by: Sylaera Nightwish on 04/07/2007 17:25:21
See my post here for a few others.
Drone Improvements
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dragonofearth
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Posted - 2007.07.04 17:32:00 -
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signed
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Neuromandis
Novastorm Inc
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.04 17:44:00 -
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If (3) was implemented, it could make all drone bunch up and show a single icon, drastically decreasing drone lag in gang fights.
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Alyssee
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Posted - 2007.07.04 20:02:00 -
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Fix Amarr and Caldari first, Gallente can wait.
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Pavlinka
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.07.04 20:11:00 -
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/signed
Originally by: Alyssee
Fix Amarr and Caldari first, Gallente can wait.
u meat to make them weaker? ok, then gallente can w8  , but drones r used by all races
Pavlinka & Pavlinecka
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Sesshomaru Sama
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Posted - 2007.07.06 20:48:00 -
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*Smiles* Comon guys need more support then this if you want to influence the game. More signitures.
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Acacia Everto
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.07.06 23:45:00 -
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/signed
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dragonofearth
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Posted - 2007.07.07 00:54:00 -
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signed
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Divideby0
Gallente
Amalgamated Industries
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Posted - 2007.07.07 01:26:00 -
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/signed
A right-click menu option right below "Keep at distance" would be great: "Drones -> Group -> ACTION".
Drones are the only thing that force me to actually interact with the overview...and thats slow/messy while in a fight.
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Sesshomaru Sama
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Posted - 2007.07.12 11:20:00 -
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I'm pretty sure more people then this want drones improved. We need signitures people to show how many want it improved.
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Harkwyth Mist
Caldari
The Black Ops
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Posted - 2007.07.12 12:22:00 -
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Edited by: Harkwyth Mist on 12/07/2007 12:22:34
Drone Modes
Aggressive Mode - Any hostile within scan/lock range is targetted and attacked, will only return to orbit when no hostiles are within detection range.
Defensive Mode - Will only lock/attack hostiles when it's owner is attacked, will return to orbit as soon as target hostile is defeated. (Current drone AI standard)
Passive Mode - Will orbit owner until given different instruction.
The above would need a behaviour window, and a toggle for possible options :-
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|Drone1 Aggr[] Def[] Pass[] Attack[] Orbit[]|
|Drone2 Aggr[] Def[] Pass[] Attack[] Orbit[]|
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Drones are Eve's equivalent of Pets in AO/EQ etc, all the other game developer's have managed to produce a usable interface for the management of pets, surely they can't be any smarter/better than the developr's here ?
The drone ui currently has the appearance of a hastily rushed afterthought, it needs updating, overhauling and turning into wellthought and implemented addition to the games effectiveness.
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Cheeba Don
Ihatalo Navy
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Posted - 2007.07.12 14:37:00 -
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signed :)
Im especially eager to get some hotkeys for drones, everyone else has them for their guns/missiles.
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Sesshomaru Sama
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Posted - 2007.07.16 14:17:00 -
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I suppose there just isn't that many people for overhauling Drones as I thought there might be. *Frowns*
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Tarron Sarek
Gallente
Endica Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.07.16 16:42:00 -
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Edited by: Tarron Sarek on 16/07/2007 16:43:00
1) Agreed. It's quite annoying even drones in space or in your drone bay don't show modified stats.
2) Agreed. All that rightclicking is awkward.
3) Not agreed. I don't like control/effort/skill being taken away from the player. Drones are pretty powerful as is. They shouldn't be made easier or automatically more efficient to use.
One thing I could imagine though would be an inherent size-dependant primary targeting mechanism.
That means light drones would target frigates first, medium drones would target cruisers first and large drones would target battleships first, unless told otherwise of course. That would still be pretty dumb, but it would curb their stupidity a bit.
If you want all drones to attack the same target, you should have to order them. They obviously have no group awareness.
What makes this hard to do atm is the random wandering off.
But that's a bug and as soon(tm) as it gets fixed I see no problem with having to manually control drones
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Signaldog
Gallente
Venom.
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Posted - 2007.07.16 20:37:00 -
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/signed
READ MY SALVAGER THREAD HERE!!!!
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Xorlev
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Posted - 2007.07.19 20:29:00 -
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/signed
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Jordan Musgrat
Convergent
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.07.20 04:07:00 -
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/signed.
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Sesshomaru Sama
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Posted - 2007.09.04 06:05:00 -
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boost
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.09.04 07:39:00 -
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Good ideas both Sessomaru and the added "dumb" option suggested by some other post.
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Chris Stormrider
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Posted - 2007.09.04 09:05:00 -
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/signed
one can only...
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Arctur Gestator
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.09.04 10:50:00 -
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/signed 
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Mzilikazi
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Posted - 2007.09.04 13:40:00 -
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I must admit that I am frequently annoyed by the fact that one cannot see how ones skills and module fittings affect ones drones, yet one can readily see this information for all other weapon types.
Please fix this CCP I have no idea what the optimal and falloff is for the sentries on my Sniping Dominix, I can only guestimate using the bonus for the Omnidirectional midslot upgrade thingys & when you add rigs it gets really complicated.
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Moridrex
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Posted - 2007.09.04 14:50:00 -
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/signed
Give us some drone and interface lovin'!!!!!!
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Idaeus
Earned In Blood
Black Sun Cartel
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Posted - 2007.09.04 15:56:00 -
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I'd agree to this.
And add drone status indicators while in bay, decreasing the size the drones in space interface takes up by placing the indicators side by side instead of stacked on top of each other, and possibly the ability to detach the entire drone interface from the overview itself and move it somewhere else.
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Falbala
Gallente
Les Enfants de Gaia
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Posted - 2007.09.04 16:05:00 -
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signed.
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Felan Wolf
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Posted - 2007.09.04 17:15:00 -
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drones need hotkeys to control...
turrets has, why drones not? :(
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Felan Wolf
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Posted - 2007.09.04 19:27:00 -
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I wrote two petitions, but GMs send me there... :( Developers read this?
We only need normal drones controls, not balans changes! Is it so hard to code? Some GUI changes...
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Saris Dadra
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Posted - 2007.09.05 02:46:00 -
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1-3 /Signed
I've given a little thought to a new drone UI: Click Here For Pic
On the left hand side we have control groups for drones, in this case there is a group of 3 Oger IIs and one of 2 Oger IIs. Each of these control groups will allow you to give commands to all the drones in that group. By default each drone type would be added to a separate group once launched i.e. all Oger II's in one group, Heavy Armor Repair drones another group. The player can split the groups with a shift-click, or combine them with a drag. Ideally it would remember your configuration after the drones are scooped as well, replacing destroyed drones with new ones of the same type.
On the top four basic commands can be issued to a group, Engage, Return and Orbit, Return to Drone Bay, Scoop to Drone Bay. These are the first four commands I thought of, but others could be added.
Hovering over each drone group would highlight the drones in that group in your drone overview. A right click would set AI mode.
Finally, Each drone could be controlled from the overview in exactly the same way we do it now (for those of you who like to micro manage)
Comments?
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Skraeling Shortbus
Caldari
Gallente Federal Bank
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Posted - 2007.09.05 05:08:00 -
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signed but ccp doesnt care really it seems or has more important issues to address.
Drone dev where are you?
Why no acknowledgments of these problems and or ideas?
The drone ui sucks... you know it, i know it, im sure ccp knows it yet not a word.
The ai for them STILL sucks and seems to get worse every patch... why?
For a destroyable (and for some primary) weapon this is really not fun.
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Melichor Duraldi
Gallente
Fourth Circle
Total Comfort
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Posted - 2007.09.05 06:20:00 -
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/signed
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Aero089
Exiled.
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Posted - 2007.09.05 08:33:00 -
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Clean and simple, signed for all but option 3, much as I had the same diea in mind I think that would make it a little bit too easy for us gallente.
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Emo gnome
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Posted - 2007.09.06 02:35:00 -
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/Signed
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Cornucopian
Gallente
Dutch Omega
United Freemen Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.06 08:09:00 -
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/signed
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Originally by: Royaldo
complete win by Cornucopian!
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Miss KillSome
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.09.06 09:00:00 -
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./signed
./signed
and again
./signed
Maybe we will need 40pages long topic like for boosting deimos :)
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Day Shopper
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Posted - 2007.09.06 14:12:00 -
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/signed
Also, Caldari's missiles have the same problem last I checked. I actually do not fly Caldari, but I occasionally use missiles. I have to do the math to figure out how far my missiles will fly every time I'm flying a different type of missile or my skills improve.
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Kainako
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Posted - 2007.09.06 16:15:00 -
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./signed
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Felan Wolf
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Posted - 2007.09.07 20:10:00 -
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Damn, theme sink :(
WE NEED HOTKEYS FOR DRONES!
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Dryson Bennington
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Posted - 2007.09.07 21:34:00 -
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Edited by: Dryson Bennington on 07/09/2007 21:37:22
What I would like to see is a HUD's button similiar to the "drones in bay" section in overview placed somehwere in with the other HUD display functions of "tactical,cargo,scan ect. When the icon is clicked the same menu functions that are in the overview would pop up. When the drones are active a mini drone monitoring screen would appear, which would be moveable by the pilot to any portion of the screen. This would allow better visibility and control of the drones during combat or other operations. An overload function for the drones is also needed.
Signed. Dryson Bennington 9.07.07
So when is this Caldari/Minmattar alliance attack thing supposed to happen?
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Kempeth
Gallente
Thunderbolts
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Posted - 2007.09.10 12:57:00 -
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The first idea of the OP is not something i desperately need but the other 2... Drone control is just so damn clumsy compared to everything else.
Using Guns? Ctrl-Click to target, F1-F8 to fire
Using Drones? Ctrl-Click to target, right click on drone group, find and click 'launch drones', right click on 'drones in space', find and click 'engage target'.
This is just unfair but it gets much better with a little bit of laag. Once your drones are done with one ship, they spread out randomly and pull aggro from as many different ships as possible even if it means flying half across the room.
My whishes:
- hotkeys for drones and drone groups (launch, engage target, return to bay)
- better behaviour. Either have drones that are done with a ship return and orbit or have them focus on the same friggin ship...
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