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Callente Riveara Gallente Raddick Explorations Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.07.05 18:39:00 - [61] Originally by: Grimpak Edited by: Grimpak on 05/07/2007 13:41:21 crumplecorn wins eve with his sigs tbh. oh and yes, that's the answer to your post (OP's one). you know... if your agreeing to PvP upon undocking, as that sig suggests, wouldnt it techincally be consensual PvP?
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.05 18:40:00 - [62] Originally by: Callente Riveara you know... if your agreeing to PvP upon undocking, as that sig suggests, wouldnt it techincally be consensual PvP? That kind of logic has no place on these forums, sir. :p warp drive active \| nature vraie
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.07.05 18:43:00 - [63] Edited by: Crumplecorn on 05/07/2007 18:43:25 Originally by: Callente Riveara Originally by: Grimpak Edited by: Grimpak on 05/07/2007 13:41:21 crumplecorn wins eve with his sigs tbh. oh and yes, that's the answer to your post (OP's one). you know... if your agreeing to PvP upon undocking, as that sig suggests, wouldnt it techincally be consensual PvP? Yes, I am aware that that is technically a contradiction, however what I actually mean by 'unconsensual PvP' in that case is PvP when you really don't want to PvP. Even if you accept unconsensual PvP as a concept, there are still times when you don't mind being attacked, and those when you really don't want to be (hence the pic of a freighter wreck). In reality there is no unconsensual PvP in EVE due to the rule mentioned in that sig, but people insist on referring to it as unconsensual anyway. - Sig restored due to awesomeness. For details respond to my e-mails >:(
Roger Arko Geddonites	Posted - 2007.07.05 20:57:00 - [64] Well, why would you need to pay $15 / month just to run some missions? You can do same and even with more excitement level in a single player games. EVE is pvp-oriented... nothing new here. No?
SiJira	Posted - 2007.07.05 21:10:00 - [65] carebear whine ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.05 21:26:00 - [66] eVe is going downhill? Hehehe... so unlikely. eVe is going uphill. Kieron is now a director and Wrangler is now a manager. eVe is very uphill and growing. :) CCP is 4TW. :D --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.05 21:38:00 - [67] On the topic of unconsensual killings, why do you people love to kill unconsensually? There is no fun, honor or any satisfaction killing a harmless person. Unconsensual killings are e-bullying and have no skill. Consensual killings are so unskilled. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.07.05 21:40:00 - [68] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire On the topic of unconsensual killings, why do you people love to kill unconsensually? There is no fun, honor or any satisfaction killing a harmless person. Unconsensual killings are e-bullying and have no skill. Consensual killings are so unskilled. You're wrong, but then you know that, don't you? - Sig restored due to awesomeness. For details respond to my e-mails >:(
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.05 21:43:00 - [69] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Jenny Spitfire On the topic of unconsensual killings, why do you people love to kill unconsensually? There is no fun, honor or any satisfaction killing a harmless person. Unconsensual killings are e-bullying and have no skill. Consensual killings are so unskilled. You're wrong, but then you know that, don't you? Why am I wrong? Are you telling me people who kill haulers or love unconsensual killings are very skillful? --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.07.05 21:44:00 - [70] Edited by: Crumplecorn on 05/07/2007 21:44:26 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Jenny Spitfire On the topic of unconsensual killings, why do you people love to kill unconsensually? There is no fun, honor or any satisfaction killing a harmless person. Unconsensual killings are e-bullying and have no skill. Consensual killings are so unskilled. You're wrong, but then you know that, don't you? Why am I wrong? Are you telling me people who kill haulers or love unconsensual killings are very skillful? I'm afraid I cannot judge someone's amount of skill from a random action they take, or from their preferred actions in the game. Incidentally, neither can you. - Sig restored due to awesomeness. For details respond to my e-mails >:(

Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.05 21:50:00 - [71] Originally by: Crumplecorn I'm afraid I cannot judge someone's amount of skill from a random action they take, or from their preferred actions in the game. Incidentally, neither can you. That's you but I am afraid I can judge people easily by seeing what actions they take. Unconsensual killings are not skilled. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.05 21:51:00 - [72] please explain the logic behind that? Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink. Nerfageddon!
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.07.05 21:52:00 - [73] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Crumplecorn I'm afraid I cannot judge someone's amount of skill from a random action they take, or from their preferred actions in the game. Incidentally, neither can you. That's you but I am afraid I can judge people easily by seeing what actions they take. Unconsensual killings are not skilled. Too stupid for words. - Sig restored due to awesomeness. For details respond to my e-mails >:(
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.05 21:53:00 - [74] Originally by: Tortun Nahme please explain the logic behind that? Fighting and killing people who can't fight back is skilled based? --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.05 21:53:00 - [75] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Crumplecorn I'm afraid I cannot judge someone's amount of skill from a random action they take, or from their preferred actions in the game. Incidentally, neither can you. That's you but I am afraid I can judge people easily by seeing what actions they take. Unconsensual killings are not skilled. Too stupid for words. Who? --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.07.05 21:54:00 - [76] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Tortun Nahme please explain the logic behind that? Fighting and killing people who can't fight back is skilled based? Doing something which isn't skill based means you are skill-less? - Sig restored due to awesomeness. For details respond to my e-mails >:(
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.07.05 21:55:00 - [77] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Crumplecorn I'm afraid I cannot judge someone's amount of skill from a random action they take, or from their preferred actions in the game. Incidentally, neither can you. That's you but I am afraid I can judge people easily by seeing what actions they take. Unconsensual killings are not skilled. Too stupid for words. Who? Your post. Specifically you saying you can judge people by their actions alone. Words fail me. - Sig restored due to awesomeness. For details respond to my e-mails >:(
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.05 21:57:00 - [78] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Tortun Nahme please explain the logic behind that? Fighting and killing people who can't fight back is skilled based? Doing something which isn't skill based means you are skill-less? Yes. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.07.05 21:59:00 - [79] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Tortun Nahme please explain the logic behind that? Fighting and killing people who can't fight back is skilled based? Doing something which isn't skill based means you are skill-less? Yes. This can be proven wrong empirically. Simply get someone with indisputably great skills (like someone who won a PvP tourney or something) to gank a hauler. A skill-less action taken by a skilled player. - Sig restored due to awesomeness. For details respond to my e-mails >:(
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.05 22:02:00 - [80] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Crumplecorn I'm afraid I cannot judge someone's amount of skill from a random action they take, or from their preferred actions in the game. Incidentally, neither can you. That's you but I am afraid I can judge people easily by seeing what actions they take. Unconsensual killings are not skilled. Too stupid for words. Who? Your post. Specifically you saying you can judge people by their actions alone. Words fail me. I was replying to your post. You couldn't judge people by their actions but I could. There is nothing wrong with how I have answered you. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.

Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.07.05 22:04:00 - [81] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Crumplecorn I'm afraid I cannot judge someone's amount of skill from a random action they take, or from their preferred actions in the game. Incidentally, neither can you. That's you but I am afraid I can judge people easily by seeing what actions they take. Unconsensual killings are not skilled. Too stupid for words. Who? Your post. Specifically you saying you can judge people by their actions alone. Words fail me. I was replying to your post. You couldn't judge people by their actions but I could. There is nothing wrong with how I have answered you. It's nonsense. - Sig restored due to awesomeness. For details respond to my e-mails >:(
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.05 22:09:00 - [82] Originally by: Crumplecorn This can be proven wrong empirically. Simply get someone with indisputably great skills (like someone who won a PvP tourney or something) to gank a hauler. A skill-less action taken by a skilled player. The player is forfeiting skilled-play when a non-combat ship is ganked by a combat ship. Where is there skill in killing someone who can't fight back? --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.07.05 22:11:00 - [83] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Crumplecorn This can be proven wrong empirically. Simply get someone with indisputably great skills (like someone who won a PvP tourney or something) to gank a hauler. A skill-less action taken by a skilled player. The player is forfeiting skilled-play when a non-combat ship is ganked by a combat ship. Where is there skill in killing someone who can't fight back? There is no skill in breathing. We all do it. Thus, we are all utterly unskilled at life. This logic is brought to you by Jenny Spitfire. - Sig restored due to awesomeness. For details respond to my e-mails >:(
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.05 22:18:00 - [84] Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 05/07/2007 22:18:23 Originally by: Crumplecorn There is no skill in breathing. We all do it. Thus, we are all utterly unskilled at life. This logic is brought to you by Jenny Spitfire. Speak for yourself. There is skill in breathing. If you are skillful in breathing, you can inhale more per breath and it is something not everyone does. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Mitsuko Anari	Posted - 2007.07.05 22:20:00 - [85] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire The player is forfeiting skilled-play when a non-combat ship is ganked by a combat ship. Where is there skill in killing someone who can't fight back? Where is the skill in flying a non combat ship with zero risk? Avoiding a gank is the hallmark of a skilled pilot. EVE without risk would be the most boring MMO out there. Risk is what makes EVE great.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.07.05 22:22:00 - [86] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 05/07/2007 22:18:23 Originally by: Crumplecorn There is no skill in breathing. We all do it. Thus, we are all utterly unskilled at life. This logic is brought to you by Jenny Spitfire. Speak for yourself. There is skill in breathing. If you are skillful in breathing, you can inhale more per breath and it is something not everyone does. The point of logic I am trying, and apparently failing, to get across to you has nothing to do with Eve. The premise you are using does not support the conclusion you are reaching, and you cannot recognise this, thus you Fail. Due to this Failure, continuing this conversation is pointless (even by General Discussion's standards). - Sig restored due to awesomeness. For details respond to my e-mails >:(
Roger Arko Geddonites	Posted - 2007.07.05 22:32:00 - [87] Jenny even best pvpers sometimes end up in a situation when they unable to fight back and it is absolutely normal. Who told you that the pvp must be fair? World - the real one - IS unfair.
Raneru Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny	Posted - 2007.07.05 22:44:00 - [88] Edited by: Raneru on 05/07/2007 22:44:15 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Unconsensual killings are not skilled. Catching people who do not want to be caught requires skill. Probing someone out, employing tactics like cloaking to remain hidden from potential scouts, bumping targets that cannot be warp scrambled due to stabs, fitting your ship to match your tactics. They all involve a degree of skill. They are not part of the manual when you sign up.
Opium Minmatar Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.07.06 00:05:00 - [89] 4 years ago with 2500 ppl online all the choke points were needed to push pvp oppurtunities.now with 30k plus ppl online and the same routes i traveled in beta. it is easy to see ppl'stress over there space travel. for every question in this game it comes down to just putting more gates leading in to o.0 and low sec.why have chokepoints with 30 k ppl online.more gates more patrols of o.o alliances to find ppl who are sneaking in, its great for the pvper's<me> and the carebears. give us more gates, who expects to realy go into space and they cant get spomewhere without going thru more ppl than are in newyork city? this is space, give us some space please.then i can hunt all the carebears coming into o.0.
miskagirl	Posted - 2007.07.06 00:48:00 - [90] Quote: eVe is going downhill? Hehehe... so unlikely. eVe is going uphill. Kieron is now a director and Wrangler is now a manager. eVe is very uphill and growing. :) Uphill? I would agree, but at a snails pace, eve should be ZOOMING uphill. Until the developers lock down all the gaping holes in their game mechanics that allow for such easy exploiting eve and the entire idea of going uphill at a meager 100k + subs is laughable. Proper management of eve would see it at over 500k subs and 4 servers by now.



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