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Yumi Sarawatari	Posted - 2007.07.08 15:56:00 - [1] I am currently in training for a Raven and waiting until i am in one to start my lvl 4's, i have just been wondering how much ISK can someone normally make in a day of running lvl 4's on average?
LMAAAOOOO	Posted - 2007.07.08 17:16:00 - [2] Billions and chakigillions! ______________________________________________ some guy telling a noob that pirates doesnt check their age before attacking "ooh! an age quip! very clever,I'm probably older than you darling! xx
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2007.07.08 18:37:00 - [3] It probably averages at around 15mil an hour if you include selling loot, salvage, rigs etc. -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] *This is not* a signature**
RuriHoshino Minmatar The Mission Guys	Posted - 2007.07.08 18:48:00 - [4] That depends entirely on how efficient you are at running them. Some lvl4's take a few minutes and can be run in a frigate, some can take hours if you kill a trigger too early or your dps is too low. Money per combat mission can vary between 10-20 mil, with a decent chunk of that coming from salvage. At lower levels you make more money leaving the wrecks in space and getting another mission done as fast as possible, but with some lvl 3's and most lvl 4's it is absolutely worth it to salvage everything. So how much you make in a day comes down to a) how lucky you are at pulling good missions and b) how quickly you can finish/salvage them. If you define a day of playing as 8-12 hours, then you can make well over 100 million. If you mean 2-3 hours of casual play, 30-40 million is not unreasonable. _____________________________________
Yumi Sarawatari	Posted - 2007.07.08 19:01:00 - [5] thanks for the rough estimates =]
Lore Isander Caldari Paisti	Posted - 2007.07.08 20:55:00 - [6] Originally by: Andrue It probably averages at around 15mil an hour if you include selling loot, salvage, rigs etc. I dunno about how profitable other missions are yet but I did Angel Extravaganza in 42 minutes. 20m in bounties, 22m implant from silo and tons of **** loot. --- How do I shot web?
Carniflex Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project	Posted - 2007.07.09 07:35:00 - [7] Originally by: Lore Isander Originally by: Andrue It probably averages at around 15mil an hour if you include selling loot, salvage, rigs etc. I dunno about how profitable other missions are yet but I did Angel Extravaganza in 42 minutes. 20m in bounties, 22m implant from silo and tons of **** loot. Yes. But that is not average. This is relatively good mission. You get avreage if you run missions for say umm .. 8 hours (the longer timeperion the more accurate avreage) and at the end of day take isk earned from missions, add in LP (depending on your LP price, around 1000 isk / LP usually) and price of loot/salvage (if you did loot/salavge, some specialized missionrunners do not if they are running missions fast enough) and divide with hours spent running missions and /or looting salvaging. I can do worlds collide in 30 minutes (for 30 mil in bounties + lp, I dont loot) but i get 'crappier' missions like the score and massive attack more often than i get good missions like extravaganzas and worlds collide. For beginning missionrunner 10 mil / h is quite reasonable average. When you skill up and start getting better eq for the job then your average will climb upward also. With max skills and/or faction or officer fittings you will get around 25 mil / h average in lower end high sec missions.
Kairg Caldari Caldari State Operations	Posted - 2007.07.09 12:16:00 - [8] Originally by: RuriHoshino Some lvl4's take a few minutes and can be run in a frigate What? _____________________________________________________
Zheran Reda	Posted - 2007.07.09 12:36:00 - [9] nice topic. what about "to loot or not to loot" ? Having a destroyer with salvagers + tractors worth the hassle ?
FT Diomedes Gallente Ductus Exemplo	Posted - 2007.07.09 12:49:00 - [10] Originally by: Zheran Reda nice topic. what about "to loot or not to loot" ? Having a destroyer with salvagers + tractors worth the hassle ? Yes. Absolutely. Not having to pay 20 million+ for rigs makes having a nice salvager worth it's weight in salvage. With decent salvaging skills and 3 salvage tackle rigs, which you can make yourself out of salvage, you can loot and salvage an average level 4 mission very quickly. For most missions, the loot and salvage are not worth it by themselves, but combined they make it worth it. For example, the Serpentis, aka the poorest pirates ever, drop generally horrible loot and poor salvage. But they drop tons of it! It's just mining. Don't sell the loot, pick out the one or two nice things, and reprocess the rest. Then you can make all the ammo you ever need out of the minerals. For other missions, the loot and salvage are definitely worth it. The mercenaries drop tons of great loot, but generally terrible salvage (lots of metal scraps). The Angels drop poor loot, but great salvage (tritanium bars). The Sanshas and Blood Raiders drop okay loot and the best salvage (melted capacitor consoles). And there is always the chance of a faction drop every now and then. I've picked up a couple of nice Domination drops in level 3 missions in the past couple of months.
Carniflex Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project	Posted - 2007.07.09 14:48:00 - [11] Originally by: Zheran Reda nice topic. what about "to loot or not to loot" ? Having a destroyer with salvagers + tractors worth the hassle ? Depends on your mission running speed. When you start getting faster then eventually there will be point where you will earn more (in bounties and lp) than you would spent salvaging. As general rule of thumb, if you are beginning and hadrer missions take you more than 1 hour then you are better off salvaging. If you can run hardest missions under 1 hour you are getting near the point where it's not profitable to loot/salvage anymore. Depends ofc a bit on mission also. Even if you are really fast missions against EoM tend to be worth looting. Mercs drop also reasonable amounts of stuff altho not as profitable as EoM. And drones - if you cant decline drone mission then it might be worth looting. Depending a bit how many drone battleships there is.
Kwint Sommer Incoherent Inc Otaku Invasion	Posted - 2007.07.09 17:15:00 - [12] Originally by: Kairg Originally by: RuriHoshino Some lvl4's take a few minutes and can be run in a frigate What? He's referring to the mission where you have to retrieve some Quaffe from a gaurded warehouse. If you're quick you can fly a frigate in, grab the Quaffe before getting popped and thus complete the mission in like 3 minutes.
Bleys Vontagen Gallente Phoenix Logistics Industries	Posted - 2007.07.09 22:31:00 - [13] Originally by: Yumi Sarawatari I am currently in training for a Raven and waiting until i am in one to start my lvl 4's, i have just been wondering how much ISK can someone normally make in a day of running lvl 4's on average? Besides a vague question, um... My best day was 100 million. I didn't sell the salvage. Just the loot, plus bounties. That was three missions. All really good ones. I've had other days much less, because I got a bunch of "factional" missions instead of "pirate" mission.
Bleys Vontagen Gallente Phoenix Logistics Industries	Posted - 2007.07.09 22:34:00 - [14] Originally by: Zheran Reda nice topic. what about "to loot or not to loot" ? Having a destroyer with salvagers + tractors worth the hassle ? There are certain missions where "salvage = 1 20-million isk rig." It takes about 30 minutes to salvage all the ships if you kite. 20 minutes if you don't. Plus travel, sorting, etc. But not all of them. Many times you're just getting tags. Which are either worth a lot (i.e. = to bounties) or you can save for certain LP rewards (required) or just take as cash discounts on stuff (optional).
Iron Black	Posted - 2007.07.10 00:44:00 - [15] Im finding no bounties on my last few missions, only mission reward and loot, and Im making lousy money, is this normal LVL 4 Personnel
Krashtest Exploratory Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.10 01:25:00 - [16] Originally by: Iron Black Im finding no bounties on my last few missions, only mission reward and loot, and Im making lousy money, is this normal LVL 4 Personnel If you are getting no bounties , then it is probably a "factional" mission in which each rat drops tags. These tags are needed for many of the navy faction items.
Zheran Reda	Posted - 2007.07.10 11:11:00 - [17] Thanks for the answers and suggestions guys. Fitted a destroyer just for this purpose and practised a bit in lvl 3 missions. Way faster than doing it with a single tractor beam in my battlecruier. I will probably do this with lvl4 missions aswell once i get a few more skills done ( around next week ) since the materials from salvaging looks very promising. Bangs his head to wall for not salvaging wrecks for the past 3 weeks
Occara	Posted - 2007.07.10 16:55:00 - [18] Yes, it is very worth it to salvage/loot your level 4's. fit a destroyer with 4 tractors/4 salvagers a cruiser grade AB in mid, and cargo expanders in the lows.
PODBARBIE	Posted - 2007.07.10 17:16:00 - [19] Edited by: PODBARBIE on 10/07/2007 17:18:06 Serpentis Extravaganza 16mil The Blockade 21mil The Score 8mil Pirate Invasion 10mil The Rogue Slave Trader (1 of 2) 2.5mil Downing the Slavers (2 of 2) 6mil Surprise Surprise 1mil Recon (1 of 3) 2.5mil Recon (2 of 3) 0.5mil Recon (3 of 3) 0.5mil The Right Hand of Zazzmatazz 3mil The Assault 22mil Stop the Thief 3.5mil Attack of the Drones 2mil Angel Extravaganza 20mil That's the amount of isk i get from bounty + reward/bonus. This is running gallente missions and doesnt include loot or LP. If you are flying a raven with good skills you should be able to pull in about 25mil per hour between the raw isk and the LP value
Occara	Posted - 2007.07.10 18:08:00 - [20] Originally by: PODBARBIE Edited by: PODBARBIE on 10/07/2007 17:18:06 Serpentis Extravaganza 16mil The Blockade 21mil The Score 8mil Pirate Invasion 10mil The Rogue Slave Trader (1 of 2) 2.5mil Downing the Slavers (2 of 2) 6mil Surprise Surprise 1mil Recon (1 of 3) 2.5mil Recon (2 of 3) 0.5mil Recon (3 of 3) 0.5mil The Right Hand of Zazzmatazz 3mil The Assault 22mil Stop the Thief 3.5mil Attack of the Drones 2mil Angel Extravaganza 20mil That's the amount of isk i get from bounty + reward/bonus. This is running gallente missions and doesnt include loot or LP. If you are flying a raven with good skills you should be able to pull in about 25mil per hour between the raw isk and the LP value attack of the drones, for example, is something like 30M in loot/salvage and takes about 15 minutes to loot/salvage if you are fast.
Panch0Villa Caldari AFK	Posted - 2007.07.10 18:18:00 - [21] Edited by: Panch0Villa on 10/07/2007 18:19:21 Originally by: Occara Yes, it is very worth it to salvage/loot your level 4's. fit a destroyer with 4 tractors/4 salvagers a cruiser grade AB in mid, and cargo expanders in the lows. I use a MWD. Just turn in the mish and come back. Much better IMO EDIT: Also, if possible, try not to string the npc's along for 100km or you spend more time salvaging than you have to. Maybe a circle? "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
Daelin Blackleaf No Joy Corp Pride - Honor - Duty	Posted - 2007.07.10 20:07:00 - [22] Currently at around 25-30m per hour. Turn down the missions you have poor returns from. Also I always salvage and loot, looting takes between 10-15mins, often returns more in isk than the mission bounties (selling carefully and refining lesser loot), and can sometimes net an item worth several million. If your are too impatient to salv and loot I would recommend at least doing the Amarr, Blood, and Sansha missions for Melted Capacitor Consoles and as mentioned the EoM and Merc missions for the improved quality of loot. Also while many recommend a destroyer I find the capacitor and cargo hold on these ships inadequate. I would personally recommend the Hurricane with 6x Tractor 2x Salv, MWD, expanders, a nano, salv rigs, etc. The salvaging rigs are well worth the investment especially if you have poor salvaging skills.
Bleys Vontagen Gallente Phoenix Logistics Industries	Posted - 2007.07.10 20:16:00 - [23] Originally by: Iron Black Im finding no bounties on my last few missions, only mission reward and loot, and Im making lousy money, is this normal LVL 4 Personnel These things do go in cycles. You can have a day where you keep getting drone and factional missions. I've had days like that. I put up with it and churn the mission as fast as I can to get to the next mission.
Guillame Herschel Gallente Cheers Restaurant and Bar Coalition Of Empires	Posted - 2007.07.11 00:29:00 - [24] Originally by: Kwint Sommer He's referring to the mission where you have to retrieve some Quaffe from a gaurded warehouse. If you're quick you can fly a frigate in, grab the Quaffe before getting popped and thus complete the mission in like 3 minutes. (a) You won't make it to the can anymore in a shuttle. Tried it many times recently, they always pop me before I get there. (b) You don't need to. Once the mission complete is triggered about 15km from the can, warp out and buy 10 Quafe Ultra off the market. This is especially easy if you work for Quafe Company. (c) There is only one 'f' in Quafe. -- Guile can always trump hardware --
ClogMan Caldari Unknown-Heroes KA0S Theory	Posted - 2007.07.11 07:04:00 - [25] I used to salvage/loot with my alt, but lately i find the loot so poor that i stopped doing it. It seems like the only mission worth looting is the EoM one. I find that even with the nice numbers of BS in Recon 1/3 the loot is god damn awfull. So what other missions is at same level as EoM mission in terms of loot and salvage items?
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2007.07.11 07:12:00 - [26] Edited by: Andrue on 11/07/2007 07:12:21 Originally by: Zheran Reda Thanks for the answers and suggestions guys. Fitted a destroyer just for this purpose and practised a bit in lvl 3 missions. Way faster than doing it with a single tractor beam in my battlecruier. I will probably do this with lvl4 missions aswell once i get a few more skills done ( around next week ) since the materials from salvaging looks very promising. Bangs his head to wall for not salvaging wrecks for the past 3 weeks I use an Armageddon (actually my first ever Battelship, built to order in Summer of 2004). It has five tractors, three salvagers (my skills mean I rarely have to wait for one to finish) a cargo hold of just over 2000m3 and a top speed of 203m/s. I also have a tractor beam fitted on my Nighthawk so during missions where I have to move around I try and keep the loot arranged in one place. -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] *This is not* a signature**
RuriHoshino Minmatar The Mission Guys	Posted - 2007.07.11 20:25:00 - [27] Originally by: Guillame Herschel Originally by: Kwint Sommer stuff (a) You won't make it to the can anymore in a shuttle. Tried it many times recently, they always pop me before I get there. (b) You don't need to. Once the mission complete is triggered about 15km from the can, warp out and buy 10 Quafe Ultra off the market. This is especially easy if you work for Quafe Company. (c) There is only one 'f' in Quafe. I built a Slasher for around 70,000 isk that with my nav tree makes over 1200 m/s. I burn in, bounce off the warehouse while grabbing the loot, then run in a straight line down and away from the structures. By this point everyone and their aunt are shooting at me, but I can't be hit because I'm too fast and my sig radius is nothing. I'm out of range of their scrammers in a few seconds (which a corp mate lost his mission Domi to one night, gotta watch out for those buggers) and pop out. The LP and ISK per second on that mission can't be beat I love it. I LOVE it! _____________________________________
localAWACS SuicideCo	Posted - 2007.07.12 07:54:00 - [28] without looting/salvaging, usually for 5 hours the bounties and mission reward are more then 150mil
Jezick Tides of Silence	Posted - 2007.07.17 11:46:00 - [29] Just been monitoring for the 1st time ever Running 'combat' missions generates 10m+ per/hr average from bounty's and sale of expensive loot alone. Reprocessing for building and rig building push this towards 20mil+ depending on skill level. More skill => faster completion. This is based on a single charater and using a salvage boat for cleaning up, essential in my opinion.
Li Qiao	Posted - 2007.07.17 12:09:00 - [30] Is it worth salvaging guristas missions? As they drop neither trit alloys or MCCs. Do they drop enough of the parts worth 40-60k to make it worth it?
Markus Aurelian	Posted - 2007.07.17 12:27:00 - [31] Originally by: Li Qiao Is it worth salvaging guristas missions? As they drop neither trit alloys or MCCs. Do they drop enough of the parts worth 40-60k to make it worth it? i generally dont unless i need parts to build rigs with. Meatwad FTW
FT Diomedes Gallente Ductus Exemplo	Posted - 2007.07.17 12:29:00 - [32] Originally by: Li Qiao Is it worth salvaging guristas missions? As they drop neither trit alloys or MCCs. Do they drop enough of the parts worth 40-60k to make it worth it? I have not salvaged many Guristas, except in Level 4 WC. My experience with Serpentis rats, which also don't drop any of the really expensive items, is that it is worth it if there are a lot of wrecks because you will get a lot of the cheaper items. When you build rigs, you need lots of the cheaper items. My experience with CCC rigs is that you need something like 65 Tripped Power Circuits, 75 Burned Logic Circuits and 20 Melted Capacitor Consoles (at Perfect Efficiency). Generally, the 20 MCCs are worth 10 million ISK and the rest of the stuff is worth another 10 million ISK. All those low value items add up to quite a bit. So, I always salvage the Sansha, Blood Raiders and Amarr wrecks - no matter how few wrecks there are - because MCCs are hard to come by in Gallente space. And the only time I don't salvage Serpentis wrecks is when there are only a few.
Bimjo Caldari SKULLDOGS	Posted - 2007.07.17 13:01:00 - [33] Edited by: Bimjo on 17/07/2007 13:01:41 Cargo delivery can be done in 2 mins in a shuttle 3500 LP as someone else said, you warp in, go towards warehouse ,spawns show up just as you reach warehouse,and if you're quick you'll have the quaffe on board and warp out with no shields
Bleys Vontagen Gallente Phoenix Logistics Industries	Posted - 2007.07.17 13:02:00 - [34] Originally by: ClogMan I used to salvage/loot with my alt, but lately i find the loot so poor that i stopped doing it. It seems like the only mission worth looting is the EoM one. I find that even with the nice numbers of BS in Recon 1/3 the loot is god damn awfull. So what other missions is at same level as EoM mission in terms of loot and salvage items? EoM is great. No doubt about it. In fact, I'd say they were the best, so that's your peak. I find that factional missions have good loot. Missions against the Gallente Navy, for example, yield a awful lot of 500K to 5M modules. Plus, of course, the tags which you can sell or save for LP rewards. And that goes for missions against the Caldari Navy and the Amarr. Now, the salvage against the Navy factions is poor. So I don't really bother. But the loot is good.
Tokyo Vigilante Amarr	Posted - 2007.07.17 13:05:00 - [35] quick question: i just started mission running. I used to mine, but since the big drop in mineral prices, it has become less fruitful. I hope to be doing level 4 missions soon, and was just wondering, are these calculations including the value of LP's? at 600klp you can get yourself a nice navy issue mega, or CNR.
Bleys Vontagen Gallente Phoenix Logistics Industries	Posted - 2007.07.17 13:06:00 - [36] Originally by: FT Diomedes So, I always salvage the Sansha, Blood Raiders and Amarr wrecks - no matter how few wrecks there are - because MCCs are hard to come by in Gallente space. And the only time I don't salvage Serpentis wrecks is when there are only a few. I always salvage those. Plus Angels & Thukker Tribe. I tend to ignore Mercs, Gallente and Caldari for salvage.
Bleys Vontagen Gallente Phoenix Logistics Industries	Posted - 2007.07.17 13:11:00 - [37] Originally by: Tokyo Vigilante quick question: i just started mission running. I used to mine, but since the big drop in mineral prices, it has become less fruitful. I hope to be doing level 4 missions soon, and was just wondering, are these calculations including the value of LP's? at 600klp you can get yourself a nice navy issue mega, or CNR. Generally not.
Danzig256k Caldari Mortal Devastating Kin	Posted - 2007.07.18 13:57:00 - [38] Originally by: Yumi Sarawatari I am currently in training for a Raven and waiting until i am in one to start my lvl 4's, i have just been wondering how much ISK can someone normally make in a day of running lvl 4's on average? i have been able to make 20 mil a day just farming GE's and AE's :)
FT Diomedes Gallente Ductus Exemplo	Posted - 2007.07.18 14:40:00 - [39] Originally by: Danzig256k Originally by: Yumi Sarawatari I am currently in training for a Raven and waiting until i am in one to start my lvl 4's, i have just been wondering how much ISK can someone normally make in a day of running lvl 4's on average? i have been able to make 20 mil a day just farming GE's and AE's :) Twenty million/day isn't that much.
WilfredTheSmart Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.07.18 15:31:00 - [40] 15m an hour sounds about right maybe more if your in 0.0. But where you have to be careful is what missions you dont do. Some of them are an absolute *****. It has been a year since I did them in a big way but some of them are just not worth it. Make a note of the ones that take longer than 1hr:30 and decline them. Some of the faction missions I was turning 40m an hour and others 15ml inlduding lp trade in (this is where the real isk is) Wilf
Crystalium Minmatar Infinite Improbability Inc	Posted - 2007.07.18 15:35:00 - [41] In my memory, each one of those are worth 20M only with bounties + reward .. If you add loots & salvage you can go to 23-30M (depending of your luck) If you play 2 hours per day and have basic skills it's a good ratio .. if you play 12 hours and make 20M i think you've got a little problem :/ In good days, on week-end for exemple (6-8 hours of lvl4), with a good stuff etc, i come up to 150/200M including reprocessing, salvage and selling all this ..

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