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Sinikad
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Posted - 2004.01.23 12:02:00 -
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I've only been playing a bit over a month, but I've watched how the various groups treat each other as well as who hangs out where and I think I've got the political layout correct now. I' sure this will make some people mad, but it sure seems to fit; ill throw postulate and reason for each one out :
Postulate : Moo, Biomass, and FE appear to be supported by CA.
Reason : Moo showed up on FA's doorstep at the moment FA was massing an attack on CA. I have seen large scale mining ops via the map in CA space, but no real pirate activity seems to go on back there. This area would be a goldmine for pirates, but there are virtually none there (excepting the occasional frig rat).
Postulate : SA / MASS / Evol are slowly being pinned by pirate activity and mining ops in what used to be their space.
Reason : During the less active times on the server, I see convoys of haulers run from Keberz down through 36H-NZ, and other convoys going through Xetic/IF space (immense and teneferis) into CA space. Virtually every night there is a lightly defended Xetic convoy that heads through immensia into CA space. These convoys seem to be immune to 'pirate' activity beween Keberz and 36H-NZ.
Postulate: Above theories notwithstanding, someone has to be financing Moo.
Reason: Even with the occasional BP ripped off, their losses would cost more than they can pirate.
Postulate : CoW and Moo are related in some way (pun intended sorta).
Reason : CoW and Moo operate right next to each other. CoW seems to be blockading the areas Moo has left behind and shutting down production by some FA friendly corps. This means they may be funded by the same groups, since their actions are working toward the same goals.
Another thing that actually contributes to some of these thoughts, is how Biomass and Moo have been doing some 'threatening' of CA. I suspect that is to take the heat off CA?
The political aspect of eve is fascinating. Looks to me like these 3-4 organizations are really about to 'take over', and very few even see it coming.
-Sinikad
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JoKane
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Posted - 2004.01.23 12:39:00 -
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Trolling is a no no - Ainvar
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fras
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Posted - 2004.01.23 14:21:00 -
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Take no notice of JoKane, I think this is the most interesting thread I've read for a long time in Crime and Punishment.
I've seen a few pirates claim they make over 100m a week, I don't know if this is true or not, but if so I wouldn't have said the pirate corps are forced to be funded by elsewhere. I've read a few claims that they are paid blood money for their activities. Dunno if this is true either but I think there's a strong possibility CA are paying for a relatively trouble free life as you said.
Would be nice to know, not that I have any right to, but it's certainly more interesting than the usual smack talk 
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Beringe
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Posted - 2004.01.23 14:27:00 -
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Postulate: Above theories notwithstanding, someone has to be financing Moo.
Reason: Even with the occasional BP ripped off, their losses would cost more than they can pirate.
These days they are probably rich enough to sustain themselves for a good long time.
In the early days, they apparently made a lot of cash from an alt industry corp. Stavros himself once boasted of having probably sold the most number of ships in Eve.
Your assumptions aren't bad for having only played a month, but there is a lot of history you are unaware of.
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sutty
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Posted - 2004.01.23 15:36:00 -
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we aint been pinned by nobody. evolutions kill to death ratio is massive compared to the CA's. and I mean massive.
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bUBbLeS
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Posted - 2004.01.23 15:38:00 -
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we haVe AlL t3H CA caKE
Julius ceaser : "operor vos volo MCCCXXXVII laganum bUBbLeS?"
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JoKane
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Posted - 2004.01.23 16:08:00 -
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m0o, Biomass, & FE have nothing to do with CA except that lots of members in those corps/alliance have friends in CA.
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Skokeh
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Posted - 2004.01.23 16:10:00 -
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no
We make the m0o Cakes, and sell them to evolution, which is why you see these Haulers making the late-night runs, and is also the reason we have so much money
m0o Cakes are the fundemental basis of the Eve economy
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ColdFuzion
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Posted - 2004.01.23 17:08:00 -
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Lets put it this way over the past few weeks m0o have gained 4 scorpions people have just given it to them if that doesn't prove that their activities fund themselves along with them selling stuff in the trade channel i don't see how the point could be made any clearer.
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Kurenin
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Posted - 2004.01.23 17:25:00 -
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Quote:
Postulate : CoW and Moo are related in some way (pun intended sorta).
Reason : CoW and Moo operate right next to each other. CoW seems to be blockading the areas Moo has left behind and shutting down production by some FA friendly corps. This means they may be funded by the same groups, since their actions are working toward the same goals.
Another thing that actually contributes to some of these thoughts, is how Biomass and Moo have been doing some 'threatening' of CA. I suspect that is to take the heat off CA?
The political aspect of eve is fascinating. Looks to me like these 3-4 organizations are really about to 'take over', and very few even see it coming
Oh pulllllease. c0w are totally not funded by ca  every member funds his/herself
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Jacob Molari
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Posted - 2004.01.23 17:52:00 -
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FE has no arrangement with CA.
Why the war with FA? Well...
The former NVA (PA) more or less stopped fighting. We are PvP corp, so we looked for new victims...
FA had it easy for a long time, they ought to be rich enough to give us a good fight, which more or less they have (until very recently, they arent coming out now).
The FE is around 200-250 members, about half are already located in Fountain now, with more on the way. We plan on a real push against the FA... maybe break an alliance once and for all.
Not only is M0o rich, they haven't sustained many losses. Total Battleship losses for the combined FE and M0o/Cow fleets up until last night, were 7. Only one m0o BS went down, 1 Cow, and 5 FE. 3 FE BS alone were lost in a ganking yesterday. Losses to the FA are much higher, including those in large engagements, plus gate ganking.
If you count the scorp we gained the other day, our losses are really 6 BS overall. Again, I can't speak for today... I don't know if anything has happened today...
When you combine the FE + C0W + M0O + other assorted corps, you are looking at like 400+ PvP'rs coming to Fountain... not good if you are in the FA!
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Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2004.01.23 18:17:00 -
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Edited by: Tenacha Khan on 23/01/2004 18:18:02
Like the post. Ill give you the real reasons to fe involvement.
Back in september / october, the NVA invaded our home system, so we figured that we should punish them, at the same time the FA invaded too, so now we are punishing them
Before that, everyone was pirating loosely and all over the place, the FA and NVA moulded us into the ferociouse fleet we are today
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Kayosoni
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Posted - 2004.01.23 18:19:00 -
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Sutty, if you are all so great, why did you run back to DSS from GE- last night and logoff when our blip of equal size came? That was really boring  |
StiZum Hilidii
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Posted - 2004.01.23 18:27:00 -
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lol biomass guys still havent learnt to count
STAN
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Lentia
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Posted - 2004.01.23 20:14:00 -
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Edited by: Lentia on 23/01/2004 20:15:44
To Sin: Yes, I think the political developments in the game are the most interesting and reflect many RL forces not only with economics but those elements in society who wish to build communities (alliances) and those who wish to destroy and terrorize (PK'ers) and the loafers and parasites who feed off of the toil of others (pirates).
What people dont realize, (even the PK'ers) is that they may win many (or even all) battles but they will be unable to win a war against a dedicated Alliance. In Foutain there are no offices or factory slots left. And can u seriously see Stavros the Evil mining jaspet in Foutain and hauling it back 20 jumps to empire for production? Aint gonna happen.
They are like a swarm of mosquitoes. They are very annoying to say the least and are interfering with business (although have made things more fun as of late) but cannot and will not ever win a war as game mechanics currently do not allow this.
Lentia
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Camar
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Posted - 2004.01.23 20:31:00 -
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And now c0w has been sighted in Atlar...
(At least 5 battleships (?) camped the system)
   
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Virtuosity
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Posted - 2004.01.23 21:54:00 -
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Edited by: Virtuosity on 23/01/2004 22:11:55
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And now c0w has been sighted in Atlar...
(At least 5 battleships (?) camped the system)
There been lots of cow's in Atlar today, cow got an office in atlar though. The blip over kills light up on the map. Not fun being an aget runner in these parts I guess..
Just sitting here adding bad guys to my buddy list and keep local entertain me.. sigh, EVE a tad boring atm 
Seems there is a few zombies here now too.
And they got my reaper with whole 100 rounds of light proj ammo *shocked*
2004.01.23 22:05:00
Solar System: Atlar
System Security Level: 0.3
Involved parties:
Name: Alien8 (laid the final blow)
Security Status: 1.8
Corporation: Zombie Inc.
Ship Type: Scorpion
Weapon Type: Tachyon Beam Laser I
Name: Hatur
Security Status: -3.4
Corporation: Zombie Inc.
Ship Type: Scorpion
Alts a noob ships is cheap fun
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Tank CEOno unread
2003.11.05 02:31:00 BTW, i reported you for exploiting mate, droping that many cargo cans shall not go unnoticed, cheers.
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Camar
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Posted - 2004.01.23 23:16:00 -
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I think Atlar can become an very interesting place in the future, considering both Zombie and cOw seems to like that system...
Then again, everyone knows that zombies eat flesh and brain, cOws might work as well...
...and with the light all life vanished... |
s0cks
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Posted - 2004.01.23 23:47:00 -
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I don't believe CA are doing any sort of funding for m0o bm-c or the rest of FE.
From being in what I would call a 'small scale' pirate corp I think that with a lot of old players (since beta or release) people can fund themselves and even others. You'd also be surprised how well some pirate corps support eachother with cash, ships, and other assets and so individual wealth is not always important.
Also don't forget that pirate corps get funded by outside sources for such things as NAP's where a mining corp, for example, will pay a lotta money to get its minerals thru. And may also be payed to always target certain corps/regions. Hell, merc frigates had 0isk wen i started it back up, now its got a good few tens of millions (and thats just to fund frigates).
It would be much nicer tho if no-one had an alt/second account and that the world of Eve was run very much on politics and unheard (secret) alliances/funding. But alas, I doubt it ever will truely.
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Reverend Necrona
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Posted - 2004.01.24 00:33:00 -
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FA attacked the VA, the NVA sided with the FA. Certain parts of the FE were part of the Northern Alliance, which fought the FA.
Maybe the FE have simply not forgot? I have no real idea to be honest, my main guess would be that the FE are there for fun.
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Negotiator
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Posted - 2004.01.24 03:23:00 -
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one of the reasons why m0o are here is because we are warriors. not pirates as many claim us to be - we don't look for weak prey, we continiously challenge ourselves with bigger and better opponents, constantly improve our understanding and knowledge of combat. say what you will, but this is how things are.
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OVERCOPES 1
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Posted - 2004.01.24 03:38:00 -
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And now c0w has been sighted in Atlar...
(At least 5 battleships (?) camped the system)
sssssshhhh dont tell everyone but weve got into agent missions
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Marianna
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Posted - 2004.01.24 16:36:00 -
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You are warriors not interested in weaker opponents ?!?!
LOL... where were you before empire space was locked down due to your comrades supposed "Warrior" activities.
MOO has no right to cling to some kind of higher morality, you guys have showed you have none on many occasions.
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Blare
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Posted - 2004.01.24 19:25:00 -
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I still fail to see why people expect m0o not to blow the hell out of indy's. Especially now in a time of war. How long have they been affecting alliances. And what's going to shut alliances down? Taking out the indy's filled with ore. I think to many people are just to damn afraid of losing a ship.
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KIAPieman
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Posted - 2004.01.25 01:36:00 -
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Edited by: KIAPieman on 25/01/2004 01:37:05
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FE has no arrangement with CA.
so how come CA were blockading fountain with you tonight, and when we jumped in they went straight to where you are, that looks like an arrangement to me.
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The Ratfink
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Posted - 2004.01.25 01:43:00 -
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the FE and CA relationship is kind of the same with SA and CC (Curse Coalition) they're not funding each other just fighting against a common enemy
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KIAPieman
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Posted - 2004.01.25 01:45:00 -
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well im just pointing out the irony that the CA always claim to be non-pirate, yet they work with the biggest pirate allaince in eve. hmmmm.
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The Ratfink
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Posted - 2004.01.25 01:51:00 -
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Edited by: The Ratfink on 25/01/2004 01:54:47
Its kind of ironic how NVA / TNA / Phe0nix whatever the heck you call yourselves stabbed each other in the back so many times and yet you still claim to be "honorable"
Also for the pirate comment as far as i know the definition of the pirate in eve is if he has a security status lower than 0. Also if the certain group starts setting up tolls and so on is considered a pirate. As far as i know CA does not do that. Also over 95% of its members have positive security ratings. If CA and FE are shooting the same target its only a common enemy nothing more.
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KIAPieman
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Posted - 2004.01.25 01:55:00 -
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Edited by: KIAPieman on 25/01/2004 01:56:27
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Its kind of ironic how NVA / TNA / Phe0nix whatever the heck you call yourselves stabbed each other in the back so many times and yet you still claim to be "honorable"
have we ever claimed to be honourable......no
we did what we had to do to survive, and last i checked survival isnt a crime. all we are guilty of is abandoning a ball and chain that was dragging us back, now we are free from it and can spread out wings. who knows what we will do, but we will have fun doing it :)
and yes i have nothing better to do at this time as i cant sleep.
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The Ratfink
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Posted - 2004.01.25 02:06:00 -
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Survival is fine but people who disband their principles or your "alliance charter" the thing you agreed to live up to and dishounered shows in the act itself that the foundation of your new alliance is not honorable.
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