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Erim Solfara Amarr House of Solfara	Posted - 2007.07.10 10:30:00 - [91] Originally by: Seeing EyeDog Originally by: Entreri Finwe Q. How to remove much of the silly spam on Eve-O forums? A. Three words, ban Jenny Spitfire. how about "ban dark shikari"? or even better..."ban tiller" Point in Dark Shikari isn't an idle troll spewing incessant drivel. Spenny, you're an idiot. A new tool in the fight for balance?
Ladyah Liandri A GmbH	Posted - 2007.07.10 10:38:00 - [92] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Cheyenne Shadowborn Originally by: Ladyah Liandri Back on topic: tax on ISK transfers would solve what problem exactly? Oh btw I second that question ... WHY? In-game tax is not taxing. And tax is a good for eVe-onomy and this game. There is definitely a lot of ISKs floating in this game. Why is it not good to remove ISKs? Errr ... now it really gets annoying, Spenny. Answering a question with a question? I was rather hoping for the expertise you mentioned in your original post.
Ladyah Liandri A GmbH	Posted - 2007.07.10 10:45:00 - [93] Originally by: Chrysalis D'lilth Why are there so many grammar police around? What difference does it make how you type Eve? I cuold tyr nad poorve a pinot ubt i dno't tinhk ti's wrtoh my tmie. Freaky. Because at a certain point sticking with eVe like sweet Spenny Jitfire annoyingly does a.) undermines the credibility of her post and b.) starts bordering heavy trolling.
Chrysalis D'lilth	Posted - 2007.07.10 11:06:00 - [94] You do realise in commenting on her grammar, you not only derail the subject yourself, but also add weight to any post she makes by responding. Responding to a post you feel is trolling, is simply giving the troll what they want and 'feeding the flames'. (spock tone) In either case, both outcomes are, illogical.
Callthetruth Caldari Logical Logtistics	Posted - 2007.07.10 11:07:00 - [95] the ISK isnt an issue. Just need to find more sinks for it
Tareen Kashaar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.07.10 11:40:00 - [96] Edited by: Tareen Kashaar on 10/07/2007 11:41:09 Originally by: Dark Shikari I liked the old Jenny so much better. At least I don't see the word "crafters" plastered across endless acres of valuable forum space anymore! I think we're making some progress here! Edit: Also, inflation and deflation are quite natural phenomena, even if they aren't neccessarily desired. --- WTS: Forum Signatures, price negotiable. Evemail me!
PanzerGrenadier Caldari Target Practice Inc. Frontline.	Posted - 2007.07.10 16:53:00 - [97] Originally by: Hamfast Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Originally by: Magunus Originally by: SiJira Edited by: SiJira on 09/07/2007 13:12:49 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire My idea on how to balance eVe economy and remove too much ISKs. Before I present my idea, I want to make my post credible by declaring that I am a RL economist with many years experience. yes everyone is an economist in real life when they play eve <snip> Patently untrue! Only 20% are economists, 30% are game designers, 40% are network engineers, and 20% are Chuck Norris! (Which, by the way, means that Chuck Norris is an economist, game designer, or a network engineer at least 50% of the time.) What about Jack Bauer? Chuck Norris is not allowing Jack Bauer to show his face in EVE... so if you see Jack Bauer he must be a fake. Besides, Jack Bauer is a Chuck Norris wanna-be. Bear Grylls would kick both of them in the ass.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.10 18:57:00 - [98] Originally by: Ladyah Liandri Originally by: Chrysalis D'lilth Why are there so many grammar police around? What difference does it make how you type Eve? I cuold tyr nad poorve a pinot ubt i dno't tinhk ti's wrtoh my tmie. Freaky. Because at a certain point sticking with eVe like sweet Spenny Jitfire annoyingly does eVe looks nice. If you don't like it, look elsewhere. If anyone else thinks my point of view is rubbish i.e. sinking ISKs by taxing wallet transfers and trade windows, please ask Dr.Eyj=G to tell me it is rubbish and it will never ever be considered in-game. I will eat my humble pie and not post for 2 weeks. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Warrio Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.10 19:11:00 - [99] Did Jenny Spitfire get sold to someone with really bad ideas? Sig removed due to being too freaking awsome. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Deckard Cain
Aypse D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.10 20:02:00 - [100] Originally by: Warrio Did Jenny Spitfire get sold to someone with really bad ideas? Originally by: Oveur Eve is primarily a PVP game and hence our focus is on making that experience balanced.
Nullity Gallente	Posted - 2007.07.10 20:26:00 - [101] Edited by: Nullity on 10/07/2007 20:26:16 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Trade window and wallet transfer taxes would discourage Jita-style scams, ISKs laundering and encourage active ISKs sink. Why exactly is it good to discourage scams? Scamming is a fun, challenging, and pretty rewarding in-game career. Why would you nerf content? Originally by: Dark Shikari I liked the old Jenny so much better. This can't be said enough. Originally by: Frug TAX NPC CORPS thanks. I've always liked this idea a lot actually. But maybe only start to impose said tax after a month or two of membership in the corporation.
CrestoftheStars Perkone	Posted - 2007.07.10 21:00:00 - [102] Edited by: CrestoftheStars on 10/07/2007 21:01:02 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire By the way, it is eVe bank to tax 2% per transaction of ISKs transferred between players when players give ISKs to another character through trade window or wallet option. We have tax on market trading, why not close this loop hole and have tax on ISKs transfer? where is the bank that then gives % of your isk stored back to you each X time? edit: a moderater should seriusly go around and instant banningany one from the forum, that just spam something ******** instead of behaving polite and keeping to the subject. ___________________________________________ Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both. For a wounded
Mayoz Miner Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.10 21:54:00 - [103] Please no more tax I have tax coming out of my arse, get enough of that IRL. It astounds me that we get taxed on our labour . Please don't suggest ideas like that again it makes me ill thinking about it.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.07.10 22:01:00 - [104] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire eVe looks nice. If you don't like it, look elsewhere. Not seeing your name under "Author" or "Last Post," looks a lot better.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.11 07:50:00 - [105] Originally by: CrestoftheStars where is the bank that then gives % of your isk stored back to you each X time? I do not mind CCP give us interest for depositing ISKs in savings. Put interest rate at 0.05% or 1% to encourage people to spend and trade and not save too much ISKs. Every time when players wallet transfers, tax is applied. Originally by: nullity Why exactly is it good to discourage scams? Scamming is a fun, challenging, and pretty rewarding in-game career. Why would you nerf content? You can still scam but do it outside stations to avoid trade window tax or you can do contract scams. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Ares Lightfeather Gallente	Posted - 2007.07.11 08:23:00 - [106] Yeah, but Eve doesn't need isk sinks. Actually, it needs less isk sinks. As someone said above, it's really easy for noobs to buy their ships and setups 2 months ahead of time (compared to when they can fly it). Removing some isk sinks would also have the following benefits : raising the price of items of all sorts (from minerals to t1 and t2 goods, including ships), which would increase the benefits of mining / trading items with players / manufacturing compared to trading of NPC goods, missions and ratting. I say : nerf ratting, bounties, missions, and most of important, nerf those stupid NPC goods trade lane. Make eve a real player-driven game ! To do that, I propose to delete the following isk sinks / fountains : remove all NPC-sold trade goods. Tie insurance cost at 90% of the average minerals costs in the game. A fixed amount artificially keep minerals and ships prices high, therefore fixing a minimum price for all items in eve... PS : a tax is therefore useless.
Mnengli Noiliffe	Posted - 2007.07.11 08:33:00 - [107] Edited by: Mnengli Noiliffe on 11/07/2007 08:33:45 Originally by: Ares Lightfeather if you remove all isk income into game (missions/rat/bounties/trade) then all isk in game will eventually be eliminated by remaining isk sinks, and then what? only barter? and no isk sink based npc services? sorry but you are speaking nonsense.
Ares Lightfeather Gallente	Posted - 2007.07.11 08:48:00 - [108] Originally by: Mnengli Noiliffe Please learn to read. Because, obviously, you have issues : you can't see the difference between "some" and "all".
Dowey Caldari Pizza Duo	Posted - 2007.07.11 08:59:00 - [109] Your all picky bastards on this forum EVE eVe EvE CAN YOU SEE A DIFFERENCE????? NO THEY ARE THE SAME FECKIN LETTERS... jeez forum shack***s have nothing better to do than pick at something so small?? Get Real guys an actually give ** about something worth it ---------------------------------------------- Can't nerf this, dun dun da dun!!!!
K'reemy G'udness Gallente Delicious	Posted - 2007.07.11 17:29:00 - [110] Originally by: Kirex I miss the old jenny too. :( Look, this one might be a stupid troll, but at least he doesn't talk like yoda. I hated the old jenny, with that stupid crap. Sincerely, K'reemy --- Brian Blessed Saviour of the Universe
Mnengli Noiliffe	Posted - 2007.07.11 19:50:00 - [111] Quote: how do you define "some"? bounties and mission rewards have already been nerfed multiple times. no matter how more you nerf it, the people from 0.0 will whine to nerf it even more. because these are the only ISK influx sources into economy. all player market isk prices will adjust according to missions/bounties/trade influx. and so people who don't want to attach themselves to these influxes, will always whine nerf it.
Kim Chee Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.11 21:03:00 - [112] I don't have a problem with the addition of a tax to cover wire transfers. I also don't have a problem with giving the NPC corps a tax rate, since CONCORD has to be funded for all those ships they lose while protecting the pods of their charges.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.07.11 22:17:00 - [113] stop bumping this stupid thread and no the majority of the community does not support this ask in any local ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.12 19:09:00 - [114] Originally by: SiJira stop bumping this stupid thread and no the majority of the community does not support this ask in any local So Miss Intellectual, why is this idea stupid? Removing ISKs is good for the game, isn't it? Any method of ISKs removal is good in MMOG. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Gort Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.07.12 19:46:00 - [115] I think it is wrong to assert that continuing to increase the rate of isk removal from the game is a good thing. Where is the evidence that supports this? The argument alone, unless qualified and bounded, is specious and not well-considered. Otherwise simply remove all the isk from the game and be done with it! Regards, Gortimus -- When in doubt, empty the magazine.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.12 20:03:00 - [116] Originally by: Dowey Your all picky bastards on this forum EVE eVe EvE CAN YOU SEE A DIFFERENCE????? NO THEY ARE THE SAME FECKIN LETTERS... jeez forum shack***s have nothing better to do than pick at something so small?? Get Real guys an actually give about something worth it Then I guess your name is dOweY, then? For ** sake, a little letter is NOT the same as a capital letter! They're different! It's English grammar 101! AAAAARGH! --------
Nachshon Caldari Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.07.12 20:36:00 - [117] Um, why is removing ISK good for the game? I haven't seen any inflation going on. Besides, NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION! ____________________________________ Caldari by birth, Minmatar by citizenship. The True Meaning of Freedom
Lumy Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.07.12 21:03:00 - [118] Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: Dowey Your all picky bastards on this forum EVE eVe EvE CAN YOU SEE A DIFFERENCE????? NO THEY ARE THE SAME FECKIN LETTERS... jeez forum shack***s have nothing better to do than pick at something so small?? Get Real guys an actually give about something worth it Then I guess your name is dOweY, then? For sake, a little letter is NOT the same as a capital letter! They're different! It's English grammar 101! AAAAARGH! I do agree. The correct form is EVE Online**. See branding guidelines. Paragraph 3.3 ;) In essence, distorting name of EVE on purpose puts you to same category of people that write 'turrents' and 'capitol ships'. But back to the topic. The OP doesn't give any reason why there is too much money in EVE. Or at least why does he/she thinks there is. I can't see anything that would indicate that something is wrong. When prices will skyrocket and pilots won't be able to get their ship for any amount of money (barter only), complain then please.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.07.12 21:04:00 - [119] jenny its a stupid idea because - im sure people can fill you in on all the other reasons but i will work with just one the loan contract does not work with isk eve has a very active business market that would be hurt by this - some people issue shares others operate without them - both involve the movement of money that would be severely hurt by your idea ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.12 22:59:00 - [120] Originally by: SiJira eve has a very active business market that would be hurt by this - some people issue shares others operate without them - both involve the movement of money that would be severely hurt by your idea The thread is about sinking ISKs and where else is good for sinking ISKs if not at the spot where movement of money is active? Taxito ergo sum. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.

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