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Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.09 08:01:00 - [1] My idea on how to balance eVe economy and remove too much ISKs. Before I present my idea, I want to make my post credible by declaring that I am a RL economist with many years experience. Q. How to balance the economy and remove ISKs? A. My favourite word, tax. Implementation. eVe bank to tax 2% per transaction of ISKs transferred between players. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.09 08:05:00 - [2] I liked the old Jenny so much better. 23 Member EVE Video makers: save EVE-files bandwidth! Use the H.264 AutoEncoder!
Entreri Finwe Raptus Regaliter	Posted - 2007.07.09 08:08:00 - [3] Q. How to remove much of the silly spam on Eve-O forums? A. Three words, ban Jenny Spitfire. ---
Kenneys RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.09 08:11:00 - [4] I miss the old Jenny Spitfire too. T_T
Gamer4liff Caldari Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2007.07.09 08:11:00 - [5] STOP CALLING IT "eVe"!!!!!!!
Vitrael Stormriders Fimbulwinter	Posted - 2007.07.09 08:34:00 - [6] Or, you know, we could just fix existing features rather than adding stupid isk sinks like another transaction tax. ----------
Amantus Gallente Murientor Tribe	Posted - 2007.07.09 09:23:00 - [7] Jenny, The MMO by CCP is called "EVE" not "eVe". Look at the left-hand side of the screen. You can see "EVE Client", "EVE Patches", "EVE Videos", "EVE Music, "EVE Banners". CCP wrote the links so it's safe to assume that CCP call and capitalise the game which they have made "EVE". That's its name. As for your suggestion, I'm not convinced that there is too much ISK in the game at all but that the people with a lot of ISK are just the vocal minority. Having said that, I would be interested in CCP doing a breakdown of all the ISK in the game by showing what percentage of players have above so much ISK. ------------
Kharadran Sullath Caldari IntoXication Inc	Posted - 2007.07.09 09:26:00 - [8] I'm sure Dr.Eyj=G will know what to do once he's finished his first quarterly report. ------ --Don't get saucy with me Bernaise!--
Verite Rendition Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.	Posted - 2007.07.09 09:35:00 - [9] Originally by: Kenneys I miss the old Jenny Spitfire too. T_T Hell, I'm a carebear and even I miss the old Jenny. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic
Cipher7 OldBastardsPub SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.09 09:59:00 - [10] The notion that there is too much ISK in game is one held by people who sit in empire and run missions every day without ever losing a ship.
Ulii	Posted - 2007.07.09 10:06:00 - [11] Originally by: Verite Rendition Originally by: Kenneys I miss the old Jenny Spitfire too. T_T Hell, I'm a carebear and even I miss the old Jenny. has jenny been sold?
Savage Creampuff Caldari Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.09 10:33:00 - [12] Even though I think it's not a bad idea, I'm still looking for that elusive 'block poster' button. Originally by: Amantus Edited by: Amantus on 09/07/2007 10:02:20 I would be interested in seeing CCP do a breakdown of all the ISK in the game by showing what percentage of players have above so much ISK. IIRC, back in the xetic days - pre in game alliances maybe, a dev posted that no one character had more than 10 billion isk in their wallet. It's kind of changed since then and I'm quite curious too. Quote: I've sent in plenty of petitions but it seems that CCP just doesn't care about me. Without knowledge of market dynamics theres no way I can compete with these griefers
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.09 10:35:00 - [13] Originally by: Ulii Originally by: Verite Rendition Originally by: Kenneys I miss the old Jenny Spitfire too. T_T Hell, I'm a carebear and even I miss the old Jenny. has jenny been sold? Long time ago. As far as I know it was an account transfer, not a forum character transfer. 23 Member EVE Video makers: save EVE-files bandwidth! Use the H.264 AutoEncoder!
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.09 12:33:00 - [14] By the way, it is eVe bank to tax 2% per transaction of ISKs transferred between players when players give ISKs to another character through trade window or wallet option. We have tax on market trading, why not close this loop hole and have tax on ISKs transfer? --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Wrayeth Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.07.09 12:37:00 - [15] Originally by: Dark Shikari I liked the old Jenny so much better. QFT, and IBDS...er...not the latter one. -Wrayeth n00b Extraordinaire "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
Lord Zuku The Military	Posted - 2007.07.09 12:39:00 - [16] Here is a thought. Let's make ISD charge ISK for every useless topic people make.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.07.09 12:39:00 - [17] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Before I present my idea, I want to make my post credible by declaring that I am a RL economist with many years experience. Surely this is irony? - sig removed due to inappropriate content, email us for more information - Deckard ([email protected])
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.09 12:43:00 - [18] Originally by: Wrayeth Originally by: Dark Shikari I liked the old Jenny so much better. QFT, and IBDS...er...not the latter one. QFT on the first bit. The QFT bit. Why, OH WHY, do you keep calling it eVe?! --------
Ladyah Liandri A GmbH	Posted - 2007.07.09 12:44:00 - [19] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire By the way, it is eVe bank to tax 2% per transaction of ISKs transferred between players when players give ISKs to another character through trade window or wallet option. We have tax on market trading, why not close this loop hole and have tax on ISKs transfer? If you insist calling it eVe I'll call you Spenny Jitfire from now on. Back on topic: tax on ISK transfers would solve what problem exactly?
Bimjo Caldari SKULLDOGS	Posted - 2007.07.09 12:46:00 - [20] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Ulii Originally by: Verite Rendition Originally by: Kenneys I miss the old Jenny Spitfire too. T_T Hell, I'm a carebear and even I miss the old Jenny. has jenny been sold? Long time ago. As far as I know it was an account transfer, not a forum character transfer. how do you transfer an account ? I thought all we could do was sell characters not accounts ? as account transfers were against the EULA
Cheyenne Shadowborn Caldari Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.07.09 13:00:00 - [21] Edited by: Cheyenne Shadowborn on 09/07/2007 13:01:43 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire I am a RL economist with many years experience. Can I touch you? Originally by: Jenny Spitfire eVe bank to tax 2% per transaction of ISKs transferred between players when players give ISKs to another character through trade window or wallet option. The old Jenny removed ISK by dousing her victims pods in gasoline and setting them on fire with missiles and stuff after smacking their ships to pieces in a mighty frenzy. But your idea is also kinda okay . --
Cheyenne Shadowborn Caldari Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.07.09 13:04:00 - [22] Originally by: Ladyah Liandri If you insist calling it eVe I'll call you Spenny Jitfire from now on. Back on topic: tax on ISK transfers would solve what problem exactly? Could have been worse ... could have called you Penny C*itfire Oh btw I second that question ... WHY? --

CCP Wrangler	Posted - 2007.07.09 13:07:00 - [23] Oh please no, I've had enough with real world taxes, and dealing with the tax agency. No more taxes!! Wrangler Community Manager EVE Online Contact Support - Contact Moderators - Report Bug - Submit News Leads - Knowledge Base Player Guide - Policies - Join ISD - Fan Submissions - DevFinder LiteÖ

Laboratus Gallente BGG League of Abnormal Gentlemen	Posted - 2007.07.09 13:10:00 - [24] Originally by: CCP Wrangler Oh please no, I've had enough with real world taxes, and dealing with the tax agency. No more taxes!! Quoted for teh truth. ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
SiJira	Posted - 2007.07.09 13:11:00 - [25] Edited by: SiJira on 09/07/2007 13:12:49 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire My idea on how to balance eVe economy and remove too much ISKs. Before I present my idea, I want to make my post credible by declaring that I am a RL economist with many years experience. yes everyone is an economist in real life when they play eve Quote: eVe bank to tax 2% per transaction of ISKs transferred between players when players give ISKs to another character through trade window or wallet option. no, this is ludicrous i dont get charged tax from handing money over to another person ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Sul Condbax Open Season	Posted - 2007.07.09 13:12:00 - [26] Originally by: CCP Wrangler Oh please no, I've had enough with real world taxes, and dealing with the tax agency. No more taxes!! And that's the end of that
SiJira	Posted - 2007.07.09 13:15:00 - [27] Wrangler made a clear response but jenny you really have not considered quite a large number of the player base - like money lenders apart from that explain why there would be tax on what is essentially two people meeting face to face - in station trading and why there would be a tax on a private transaction? my wallet - your wallet ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Gutsani Chaos Reborn	Posted - 2007.07.09 13:20:00 - [28] we want the real jenny back! this one is a fake shoo fake! shoo!! ------------------------ Stop reading my siggy!
sableye principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.09 13:21:00 - [29] I don;nt want any silly isk sinks, we got more isk sinks now that ever before and whenambulationcomes out maybe all furniture and clothes will be sold via npc creating another isk sink, there shold be npc items sold for alot that ric people may want to buy, 100 mil isk for a pair of sun glasses ect. I also think we need some pleasureyaughts that rich people can buy Join The Fight With Promo Today
Evanda Char Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.07.09 13:22:00 - [30] Surely if there was too much isk, we wouldn't be seeing the massive downspiral in tech 2 prices we have been? -Eva- Electus Matari - taking it one bad guy at a time
Fenren	Posted - 2007.07.09 13:33:00 - [31] Originally by: SiJira no, this is ludicrous i dont get charged tax from handing money over to another person they removed that from the things they tax in sweden about 2 years ago (or was it 3?) they used to tax it if you recieved more than 1k euros a year (independent of giver) not many people payed that tax... Originally by: CCP Ginger Hello! Ships have crews, most pod controlled frigates do not, above that they have crews of varying sizes. Hope that helps.
Christari Zuborov	Posted - 2007.07.09 13:36:00 - [32] Edited by: Christari Zuborov on 09/07/2007 13:37:14 Originally by: Evanda Char Surely if there was too much isk, we wouldn't be seeing the massive downspiral in tech 2 prices we have been? The price of the Tech2 market has to do with the price of minerals and trade goods. i.e. No builder bases his prices purely at market rate. Ideally it would be (minerals + bpc/bpo cost * 1.05 or 1.10) for a 5-10% profit markup. When invention came in, non-bpc/bpo holders followed this formula rather than pricing at market rate, or the bpc/bpo holders reduced their prices in anticipation of the influx of goods in addition to the mineral market collapse. With the prices of minerals coming back up, we should start seeing the prices of T2 ships increase also. Also, people are still burning through BPC's they created through invention, which apparently the risk has increased on producing a T2 BPCs since the last patch. Things should be interesting soon.
Ares Lightfeather Gallente	Posted - 2007.07.09 13:39:00 - [33] Edited by: Ares Lightfeather on 09/07/2007 13:40:41 Eve needs isk sinks ? why ? I'd rather ask CCP to remove those isk sinks, that'll bring balance to the world : it'll make missions rewards and bounties (therefore mindless ratting) less profitable as the isk mass increases, whereas items gotten through looting and manufacturing and mining will get more and more expensive (more isk means isk will soon be worth less and less). Therefore : getting isk will much easier to do through trade, manufacturing, and mining. Given the choice, I'd rather boost mining and manufacturers a boost, rather than boost mission runners. Therefore I support the complete annihilation of some isk sinks !
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.07.09 14:10:00 - [34] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 09/07/2007 12:32:42 My idea on how to balance eVe economy and remove too much ISKs. Before I present my idea, I want to make my post credible by declaring that I am a RL economist with many years experience. Originally by: Someone Like You I'm really a good guy, I swear. I'm just in a weird situation right now. I mean, yeah I have a girlfriend but things have been really weird and stuff, but I'm really a nice guy, I promise. You can keep taking off my pants. If you have to declare that you're knowledgeable before you make a supposedly knowledgeable post, then you aren't. Your post should speak for itself. Link removed from signature - not appropriate for Eve Forums teen rating - Timmeh IBTL! IBDS/DC! IBTC! 1st in a BoB post! And other such forum tom-foolery.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.07.09 14:11:00 - [35] Originally by: Evanda Char Surely if there was too much isk, we wouldn't be seeing the massive downspiral in tech 2 prices we have been? invention ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Dionisius Gallente Critical Analysis Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.07.09 14:12:00 - [36] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 09/07/2007 12:32:42 My idea on how to balance eVe economy and remove too much ISKs. Before I present my idea, I want to make my post credible by declaring that I am a RL economist with many years experience. Q. How to balance the economy and remove ISKs? A. My favourite word, tax. Implementation. eVe bank to tax 2% per transaction of ISKs transferred between players when players give ISKs to another character through trade window or wallet option. No. _______________________ Originally by: Splagada Edited by: Splagada on 21/06/2007 13:51:39 in eve you can break their windows, take over the house, and throw the children in the fire.
Trovarion Gallente Spiritus Draconis	Posted - 2007.07.09 14:17:00 - [37] Originally by: Cipher7 The notion that there is too much ISK in game is one held by people who sit in 0.0 and chain spawns every day without ever losing a ship. corrected that for you. Custom made EVE Sigs and Graphics
Onchas Erivvia Black Eclipse Corp	Posted - 2007.07.09 14:30:00 - [38] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire I want to make my post credible by declaring that I am a RL economist with many years experience. Experience at what? Frankly, I don't believe you. [qoute]eVe bank to tax 2% per transaction of ISKs transferred between players when players give ISKs to another character through trade window or wallet option. Even economists known how to make an argument. The first thing you have to establish is that the economic is actually "imbalanced" and that there is a "surplus" of isk in the economy and that that surplus has a negative effect on the exchange of goods and on people's ability to acquire the goods they first need, and second want. You have done none of those things. Assuming for a moment that there is a problem, your solution is wrong headed and ignores that the problem is on the source-side. This is not a problem with price inflation caused by demand outstripping supply of durable consumer goods, and you need a tax to cool off demand. If there is an inflation in the Eve economy, and based on ship prices and Tech2 prices, I would say there isn't, then the cause of that inflation is the huge amount of NPC farming that's going on. Prices on ships and modules have never been cheaper. I don't know if faction fittings are outrageously high, but I suspect as people find ways of getting those out of complexes, we'll see a drop in those again (assuming their price did spike). Faction fittings, however, are not something that would indicate any sort of inflation, they are the epitome of a luxury item. ------------------------------------------ "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!"' Teh Onchinator' Personal Assistant to MrsPitman
Hannobaal Gallente Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.09 14:55:00 - [39] There is no such thing as "surplus" of money in an economy. ------------------
Price Checka Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.07.09 15:20:00 - [40] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire By the way, it is eVe bank to tax 2% per transaction of ISKs transferred between players when players give ISKs to another character through trade window or wallet option. We have tax on market trading, why not close this loop hole and have tax on ISKs transfer? Cause that means if I want to transfer money to one of my alt characters, I lose 2% of my isk. Let me just suggest...go back to RL economics... terrible idea.
ArtieLange	Posted - 2007.07.09 16:28:00 - [41] Originally by: Dark Shikari I liked the old Jenny so much better. I wouldn't know her Adam, but what the hell, I liked the old one better. --------------------------------------------- Internal Error: Transaction (Process ID 10710) was deadlocked on lock resources with another process and has been chosen as the deadlock victim. Re
Jennai The Silent Rage R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.07.09 16:37:00 - [42] Originally by: Hannobaal There is no such thing as "surplus" of money in an economy. it's possible with poorly-designed game economies based around loot items instead of player production chains. if people can generate money faster than they can get sellable loot items, the prices of good gear keep going up. and then that leads to huge farmer cartels where they have loot-farmer groups to monopolize the spawns that drop good items, and gold-farmer groups to sell money to players so they can afford to buy the loot from the loot-farmers.
Magunus The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.07.09 16:38:00 - [43] Originally by: SiJira Edited by: SiJira on 09/07/2007 13:12:49 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire My idea on how to balance eVe economy and remove too much ISKs. Before I present my idea, I want to make my post credible by declaring that I am a RL economist with many years experience. yes everyone is an economist in real life when they play eve <snip> Patently untrue! Only 20% are economists, 30% are game designers, 40% are network engineers, and 20% are Chuck Norris! (Which, by the way, means that Chuck Norris is an economist, game designer, or a network engineer at least 50% of the time.) --- In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -- Douglas Adams, 'The Restaurant at the End of the Universe'
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.07.09 16:54:00 - [44] Originally by: Magunus Patently untrue! Only 20% are economists, 30% are game designers, 40% are network engineers, and 20% are Chuck Norris! (Which, by the way, means that Chuck Norris is an economist, game designer, or a network engineer at least 50% of the time.) QFT. ------------ LAG - Hopefully teen-appropriate now. IBTL! IBDS/DC! IBTC! 1st in a BoB post! And other such forum tom-foolery.
Xiaodown Lyran Procurement	Posted - 2007.07.09 16:57:00 - [45] Dumb Idea. So, when I want to buy a new ship on my alt, I send my alt 200M isk. Except my alt only gets 196M? 4M just vanishes into the aether? So, now I have to make money on each character, rather than training one for PVP and one for industry and science? Either that or pay a huge tax? Yeah, I liked the old Jenny Spitfire a lot more than this crap. Thank god Wrangler already replied. Also, to whoever said mission running makes people flow over with isk: Since the implementation of the LP store, most of the things mission runners made isk on are gone. But, remember, they also nerfed loot drops, and it's rare to get 2M worth of crap loot out of a lvl 4 mission now, even counting melting everything for minerals. Half the ships don't even drop anything anymore. ~X -- Lyran procurement is offering tritanium compression services for 0.0 alliances. Low prices, 25:1 compression. Click for Details...
Erim Solfara Amarr House of Solfara	Posted - 2007.07.09 16:58:00 - [46] I'm now officially adopting 'Spenny Jitfire' as the new monikor for this character. Not to mention, this is a rubbish idea. A new tool in the fight for balance?
Hannobaal Gallente Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.09 17:05:00 - [47] Originally by: Jennai Originally by: Hannobaal There is no such thing as "surplus" of money in an economy. it's possible with poorly-designed game economies based around loot items instead of player production chains. if people can generate money faster than they can get sellable loot items, the prices of good gear keep going up. and then that leads to huge farmer cartels where they have loot-farmer groups to monopolize the spawns that drop good items, and gold-farmer groups to sell money to players so they can afford to buy the loot from the loot-farmers. The above is inflation. It can happen even if there was no loot. If the money supply increases faster than the amount of goods in the economy you get inflation and prices over all rise. If the opposite is true you get deflation and prices over all drop. So, what matters is the rate of growth of the money supply (compared to the rate of growth of the supply of goods), not the amount of money in the system at a given point in time. Maybe I'm arguing semantics, but "surplus" sounds like there is too much money in the system. There can't be. Any amount of money will work. It's how fast the amount of money in the system is increasing (or decreasing in the opposite case) that matters. ------------------
Jennai The Silent Rage R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.07.09 17:16:00 - [48] Originally by: Hannobaal Maybe I'm arguing semantics, but "surplus" sounds like there is too much money in the system. There can't be. Any amount of money will work. It's how fast the amount of money in the system is increasing (or decreasing in the opposite case) that matters. Germany 1924, where people would feed their stoves with bricks of paper money because it burned longer than the equivalent value of firewood. but yeah it's more about inflation than actual amount of money, because it can't reach that point unless there's a really high inflation rate and no one is doing anything about it.
Entreri Finwe Raptus Regaliter Pride - Honor - Duty	Posted - 2007.07.09 17:21:00 - [49] Originally by: CCP Wrangler Oh please no, I've had enough with real world taxes, and dealing with the tax agency. No more taxes!! Read my lips, NO MORE TAXES!!! Entreri for president! --- I had a cool siggy but it had the wrong corp in it, then my server died :(
SiJira	Posted - 2007.07.09 18:07:00 - [50] Originally by: Magunus Originally by: SiJira yes everyone is an economist in real life when they play eve Patently untrue! Only 20% are economists, 30% are game designers, 40% are network engineers, and 20% are Chuck Norris! (Which, by the way, means that Chuck Norris is an economist, game designer, or a network engineer at least 50% of the time.) brilliant deduction ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Mastin Dragonfly Absolutely No Return The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.07.09 18:17:00 - [51] Originally by: Vitrael Edited by: Vitrael on 09/07/2007 17:34:44 READ MY LIPS! NOOO NEW TAXES! Hehe, wonder how many ppl know where that's from.
TenthReality Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.09 19:26:00 - [52] CCP already has this in place sort of. Station components for building outposts can only come from NPC providers, thus ISK used to build a station is removed from the economy. A few more (and perhaps common) items which require materials only available from NPC would cause even more ISK to be removed from the playing field. Perhaps having the new POS gear BPC's using either station components, or a new class of components for construction only available from NPC.
Mari Onette Amarr Gottland Production Transport Mines	Posted - 2007.07.09 19:44:00 - [53] If the only solution to removing isk from the eve economy you can come up with is to add a tax on isk transfers, I don't think you are a very good economist, or you have a very poor grasp of the eve economy. I would elaborate on why this is a bad idea, but I can't be bothered to spend the time to make a well formed response to an idea that is clearly half baked. There are plenty of ways to pull isk from people who have too much isk without taxing people who don't have enough. And even then, Too much isk is hard to define. It's not like titans are cheap to build. ------ I am in blood! Stepp'd in so far that, should I wade no more, it would be as tedious as going over. -MacBeth
Taran Summers The Merovingians	Posted - 2007.07.09 19:45:00 - [54] If I wanted an ISK sink in this game. I'd add ship fuel and/or life support consumables. And make it a station service to provide them. Then CCP can adjust fuel prices and consumable prices to lower the isk supply as necessary.
Aypse D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.09 19:47:00 - [55] No taxation without representation! Don't make me dress up like a minmatar and start jettisoning tea into the harbor outside Jita 4-4! Originally by: Oveur Eve is primarily a PVP game and hence our focus is on making that experience balanced.
Araxmas The Blue Dagger Mercenery Agency	Posted - 2007.07.09 19:57:00 - [56] Just kill more players, that sinks isk just fine. -------- Robbie Rotten left me
Cudaya Ebsldes	Posted - 2007.07.09 19:58:00 - [57] I thought this should be in the markets forum, but aparently the mods don't think so..... so my suggestiion is !fantafe! TWT The Wealth Tax. Since everyones assets and isk is already in the database it would be simple to tax everyone on the usual fair and progressive sliding (upward) scale from say 0% -- 1 - 1mil isk 1% -- 1 mil - 10 mil isk.....etc, until @ 1 bill isk 99% income redistribution tax. And let us not forget the *CIT* the Corporate Income Tax, set @ lets say 55%. And if too much is removed from the game we could have tax holidays. Lets not also forget Barbados Tax Havens, in Jove space for example....... Keyboard error or no keyboard present. Press F1 to continue.
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2007.07.09 20:06:00 - [58] Originally by: Magunus Originally by: SiJira Edited by: SiJira on 09/07/2007 13:12:49 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire My idea on how to balance eVe economy and remove too much ISKs. Before I present my idea, I want to make my post credible by declaring that I am a RL economist with many years experience. yes everyone is an economist in real life when they play eve <snip> Patently untrue! Only 20% are economists, 30% are game designers, 40% are network engineers, and 20% are Chuck Norris! (Which, by the way, means that Chuck Norris is an economist, game designer, or a network engineer at least 50% of the time.) What about Jack Bauer? Originally by: Eldo Davip PORTRAITS OMFG WOOT. WE R GONIG FOR MROE BREEE!!!!11
Jinx Barker GFB Scientific	Posted - 2007.07.09 20:37:00 - [59] Originally by: Dark Shikari I liked the old Jenny so much better.
Nobues Gallente DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.09 20:43:00 - [60] OR we just just add a option to pay for the tranfer fees of char in isk, like 1 or 2 billion in isk or 20 bucks, a lot of the people who dont have that 20 in real live but does in gang might take that option. Add other things you can buy with isk, like maybe on the left there make payer ad's and charge tons of isk for. There are a lot of ways CCP can remove isk from the game, but its if they do it or not is the question. Webhosting, for you and your corp Webhosting for ISK
Ryas Nia Minmatar Stormriders Fimbulwinter	Posted - 2007.07.09 21:13:00 - [61] look i have a spoon on my noes! Pic* Picture is a simulation and not an actual photo of me. Recruiting Terrorists
Hamfast Gallente	Posted - 2007.07.09 21:29:00 - [62] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Originally by: Magunus Originally by: SiJira Edited by: SiJira on 09/07/2007 13:12:49 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire My idea on how to balance eVe economy and remove too much ISKs. Before I present my idea, I want to make my post credible by declaring that I am a RL economist with many years experience. yes everyone is an economist in real life when they play eve <snip> Patently untrue! Only 20% are economists, 30% are game designers, 40% are network engineers, and 20% are Chuck Norris! (Which, by the way, means that Chuck Norris is an economist, game designer, or a network engineer at least 50% of the time.) What about Jack Bauer? Chuck Norris is not allowing Jack Bauer to show his face in EVE... so if you see Jack Bauer he must be a fake. Besides, Jack Bauer is a Chuck Norris wanna-be. None of us is as dumb as all of us...
An Anarchyyt Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.07.09 21:37:00 - [63] A much better solution to controlling the ISK, is to just give all your ISK to me. And I'd like to make this post credible by declaring I'm a RL billionare.
Pilok Shitfly Minmatar Soliders Of Eve The Makhai	Posted - 2007.07.09 21:48:00 - [64] Edited by: Pilok **fly on 09/07/2007 21:47:42 Originally by: CCP Wrangler No more taxes!! Or only in eve
Cipher7 OldBastardsPub SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.09 22:18:00 - [65] Originally by: Trovarion Originally by: Cipher7 The notion that there is too much ISK in game is one held by people who sit in 0.0 and chain spawns every day without ever losing a ship. corrected that for you. Yeah cuz nobody dies in 0.0 Besides they are nerfing cloaking, the ss+cloak farmers will get theirs soon enough.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.09 22:41:00 - [66] Originally by: Cheyenne Shadowborn Originally by: Ladyah Liandri Back on topic: tax on ISK transfers would solve what problem exactly? Oh btw I second that question ... WHY? In-game tax is not taxing. And tax is a good for eVe-onomy and this game. There is definitely a lot of ISKs floating in this game. Why is it not good to remove ISKs? Trade window and wallet transfer taxes are loopholes. They are never taxed and encourage abuses. Contracts are taxed. Market trades are taxed. But not trade window and wallet transfer. Newbs won't feel taxation because they do not have enough ISKs to feel the pinch because they are taxed in cents. Only well to do players who are already rich will contribute significantly to the 2% tax rate. Trade window and wallet transfer taxes would discourage Jita-style scams, ISKs laundering and encourage active ISKs sink. Taxing trade window and wallet transfer is to close a loop hole in this game. Markets and contracts are taxed, why not trade window and wallet transfer? It is balance to tax trade window and wallet transfer. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.07.09 22:42:00 - [67] TAX NPC CORPS thanks. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.09 22:43:00 - [68] Originally by: CCP Wrangler Oh please no, I've had enough with real world taxes, and dealing with the tax agency. No more taxes!! But it is fun to pretend to pay taxes in-game. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.07.09 22:47:00 - [69] Originally by: Frug TAX NPC CORPS thanks. There's no good reason to. Stop whining because you can't gank EVERYONE in Eve. Originally by: Jenny Spitfire But it is fun to pretend to pay taxes in-game. Ok, I think you're officially trolling now. ------------ LAG - Hopefully teen-appropriate now. IBTL! IBDS/DC! IBTC! 1st in a BoB post! And other such forum tom-foolery.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.09 22:47:00 - [70] Originally by: SiJira apart from that explain why there would be tax on what is essentially two people meeting face to face - in station trading and why there would be a tax on a private transaction? my wallet - your wallet Because wiring money from one wallet to another wallet is a service from eVe bank and it is an income gain for the receiver. And it is good to impose a service tax on the source for transferring ISKs and tax the receiver for the income gain. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.09 22:48:00 - [71] Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Jenny Spitfire But it is fun to pretend to pay taxes in-game. Ok, I think you're officially trolling now. No. That is a comedy response to Wrangilydoodily. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.09 22:50:00 - [72] Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 09/07/2007 22:54:26 Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 09/07/2007 22:49:38 Originally by: Kharadran Sullath I'm sure Dr.Eyj=G will know what to do once he's finished his first quarterly report. I would be surprised if Eyj=G would not suggest taxes one day. Originally by: sableye I don;nt want any silly isk sinks, we got more isk sinks now that ever before and whenambulationcomes out maybe all furniture and clothes will be sold via npc creating another isk sink, there shold be npc items sold for alot that ric people may want to buy, 100 mil isk for a pair of sun glasses ect. I also think we need some pleasureyaughts that rich people can buy When ambulation comes, I would be suggesting property taxes e.g. tax on offices, apartments, etc. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Miriyana Gallente BeyondXtreme Combined Planetary Union	Posted - 2007.07.09 23:06:00 - [73] Originally by: CCP Wrangler Oh please no, I've had enough with real world taxes, and dealing with the tax agency. No more taxes!! I love you - - - - - - Change just leads to more problems Originally by: CCP Wrangler Oh please no, I've had enough with real world taxes, and dealing with the tax agency. No more taxes!!
Incantare Caldari Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.09 23:36:00 - [74] Wrangler saves the day. Quote: A. My favourite word, tax.
LinBadar Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.09 23:54:00 - [75] This would have a very negative effect on communist corps where the money is distributed as needed to the individuals. It basically takes away internal control of the corporation to govern its own finances and assumes a capitalistic approach to corp/individual wealth. There should be no CCP imposed taxes on player run organisations (so taxing NPC corps is fine :D ).
Kirex Gallente Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.10 00:18:00 - [76] I miss the old jenny too. :(
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.07.10 00:24:00 - [77] Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Frug TAX NPC CORPS thanks. There's no good reason to. Stop whining because you can't gank EVERYONE in Eve. There are very good reason's to, just none that you have apparently thought about. Macro miners enjoy immunity to any kind of retribution. Do you know how? Take a guess. It would also encourage people to leave those garbage corps and join real ones. There is no good reason -not- to, and at least two good reasons to do it. And don't say it would hurt newbies, because I'm not talking about making anyone go broke and there's easy ways to balance that. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.07.10 01:15:00 - [78] Originally by: Frug There are very good reasons to, just none that you have apparently thought about. Macro miners enjoy immunity to any kind of retribution. Do you know how? Take a guess. It would also encourage people to leave those garbage corps and join real ones. There is no good reason -not- to, and at least two good reasons to do it. And don't say it would hurt newbies, because I'm not talking about making anyone go broke and there's easy ways to balance that. And for the record, I don't gank people. So pretty much you're wrong about everything. 1. Why should people not interested in joining player corporations be penalized by increased tax rates? 2. Macrominers would still do what they did, they'd just create 20% more characters to do it with. The overall amount and effect of macromining would remain unchanged. 3. Just because you think those corps are garbage, doesn't mean everyone does. 4. It seems to me that your personal reasons for wanting to tax NPC corps is to encourage players to join what you call "real corporations." How does this benefit you personally? The majority of suggestions regarding this have been made by players who want the opportunity to attack people in those NPC corporations. Statistically speaking, your reasoning is similar the majority who make almost exactly the same arguments. 5. Isn't the fact that it would hurt newbies a good reason not to? 6. I think that claiming anyone is "wrong about everything" is employing a little bit of hyperbole. ------------ LAG - Hopefully teen-appropriate now. IBTL! IBDS/DC! IBTC! 1st in a BoB post! And other such forum tom-foolery.
BluOrange Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.07.10 02:57:00 - [79] My emotional response is: "Tax is not fun, I don't like this" Thinking about it, I have a very nice rationalization! Yes, tax is a real part of real economies. Yes, it would be good to remove more money from the economy. And yes, wallet transfers are a loophole. However, there is a very similar loophole that exists IRL, it's called 'cash'. There is a very real RL black-market economy, and a grey-market economy, too. And in RL, just as in EVE, you have people being nice and friendly to each other by engaging in unrecorded cash transactions, and you also have people using it as a device for scamming. So this is a loophole that should exist. Me, I'm quite happy to pay 10,000isk for an Item Transfer contract that gives me a nice clear list of what I'm buying or selling and creates a record of the tranaction. I also think it's reasonable to be charged to use the market, even though I have also trained a few levels of Broker Relations and Accounting. But people have a right to choose the high-risk path, and if they think that those minimal savings are worth their while, then there are plenty of predators out there who will be happy to give them an interesting and educational experience. Recruitment FAQ
Vincenzo Delloro Amarr Lux et Veritas	Posted - 2007.07.10 03:00:00 - [80] Before I write the rest of my post, I want to make my post credible by declaring that I am a trained philosopher. So basically I think about stuff like brains in vats and then expect money to magically appear. While living on the couches of friends. Actually, I don't really have a point to this, I just wanted an excuse to use the phrase "brains in vats".
Seeing EyeDog	Posted - 2007.07.10 05:25:00 - [81] Originally by: Entreri Finwe Q. How to remove much of the silly spam on Eve-O forums? A. Three words, ban Jenny Spitfire. how about "ban dark shikari"? or even better..."ban tiller"
Snake Jankins Minmatar German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.07.10 05:40:00 - [82] Edited by: Snake Jankins on 10/07/2007 05:41:13 Originally by: Jennai Originally by: Hannobaal Maybe I'm arguing semantics, but "surplus" sounds like there is too much money in the system. There can't be. Any amount of money will work. It's how fast the amount of money in the system is increasing (or decreasing in the opposite case) that matters. Germany 1924, where people would feed their stoves with bricks of paper money because it burned longer than the equivalent value of firewood. but yeah it's more about inflation than actual amount of money, because it can't reach that point unless there's a really high inflation rate and no one is doing anything about it. Yes, that was a galopping inflation. It leads to people putting less goods on the market for sale, because money is worth less each day. People rather keep their goods or swap for other goods they need, instead giving it away for some paper that loses value so rapidly. That's not happening in EVE currently. People are still after the isk. Many 'work' like mad to invent, produce etc. to sell for isk or rat for the bounties. ___________ I've never been so serious as I am now. No, really.
Thom Daranta Gallente Free Rasalhague Republic	Posted - 2007.07.10 05:45:00 - [83] Originally by: Onchas Erivvia Originally by: Jenny Spitfire I want to make my post credible by declaring that I am a RL economist with many years experience. Experience at what? Frankly, I don't believe you. [qoute]eVe bank to tax 2% per transaction of ISKs transferred between players when players give ISKs to another character through trade window or wallet option. Even economists known how to make an argument. The first thing you have to establish is that the economic is actually "imbalanced" and that there is a "surplus" of isk in the economy and that that surplus has a negative effect on the exchange of goods and on people's ability to acquire the goods they first need, and second want. You have done none of those things. I am ignoring the rest of the quoted post in this response because I am new to Eve and haven't witnessed trends through my own perception. First of all, I am not an economist. I once failed to attend classes for an Accounting for Hospitality course, and I "help" my fiance with her Financial Accounting class. I spent my time in college studying historic archaeology and material culture, which has no bearing on the subject. My qualifications to speak on this matter should be clear. As a new player, I can give this observation: any inflationary pressures on prices have not raised goods out of reach of the new players. I can afford skills as I need them, I can buy a cruiser a week ahead of when I can actually use it effectively. I can kit up my frigate with the best named items, and have other crappy setups available fitted to frigs for pvp. My clone is up to date, and I am showing a surplus in my wallet. I am looking at Assault Frigs and saying, that is within striking distance. Any change made by the developers to basic economic functions should be done to resolve specific problems. There are no problems with inflation taking things out of range of new players, and I know that my corporation is able to afford the high end items needed to attain our communal goals. There is no problem with inflation. If everyone can afford what they need, if incomes rise to meet rising prices, then it is balanced. Problems would be introduced if prices for goods rose out of the range of those who needed those goods. This is not the case, hence there is no problem and hence there is no reason for the makers of the game to tamper with complex code that can render the economic game useless with a single hard to find mistake. A basic assumption has been made by Jenny Spitfire that is not supported by my observations. Others may feel otherwise, and certainly I have just started. But if there was inflation, it would impact the newbs the hardest and I just don't see that happening.
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.07.10 05:59:00 - [84] Originally by: Snake Jankins Yes, that was a galopping inflation. It leads to people putting less goods on the market for sale, because money is worth less each day. People rather keep their goods or swap for other goods they need, instead giving it away for some paper that loses value so rapidly. And by not giving away their stuff for money they further lower the value of the currency and the inflation speeds up. That's not happening in EVE currently. People are still after the isk. Many 'work' like mad to invent, produce etc. to sell for isk or rat for the bounties. If there is inflation now in eve (I think there is) and if it continues to grow (I think it will if nothing is done) then are you claiming it will have no effect on the economy? I think it would. I think it's more than just adding 0's to the prices of things, it effects everything. They're printing money like crazy in new eden, pulling it out of thin air, and it needs to go somewhere. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Level5	Posted - 2007.07.10 06:02:00 - [85] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Cheyenne Shadowborn Originally by: Ladyah Liandri Back on topic: tax on ISK transfers would solve what problem exactly? Oh btw I second that question ... WHY? In-game tax is not taxing. And tax is a good for eVe-onomy and this game. There is definitely a lot of ISKs floating in this game. Why is it not good to remove ISKs? Trade window and wallet transfer taxes are loopholes. They are never taxed and encourage abuses. Contracts are taxed. Market trades are taxed. But not trade window and wallet transfer. Newbs won't feel taxation because they do not have enough ISKs to feel the pinch because they are taxed in cents. Only well to do players who are already rich will contribute significantly to the 2% tax rate. Trade window and wallet transfer taxes would discourage Jita-style scams, ISKs laundering and encourage active ISKs sink. Taxing trade window and wallet transfer is to close a loop hole in this game. Markets and contracts are taxed, why not trade window and wallet transfer? It is balance to tax trade window and wallet transfer. J. people will always find workarounds, btw private contracts are 10k, i hardly call that a % based tax. people can always go to a moon jettison their goods and exchange it.. whats next, we tax jettisoning ? ps: its called EVE not eVe !!
Diashi	Posted - 2007.07.10 06:26:00 - [86] So the money goes into the EVE Bank? Hmm... So that means when its my turn and I land on Free Parking I get the pot right? Sounds cool!
Fenren	Posted - 2007.07.10 06:57:00 - [87] Originally by: Diashi So the money goes into the EVE Bank? Hmm... So that means when its my turn and I land on Free Parking I get the pot right? Sounds cool! THAT is some serius iskies you gain... hope I get lucky soon Originally by: CCP Ginger Hello! Ships have crews, most pod controlled frigates do not, above that they have crews of varying sizes. Hope that helps.
Hammer Judge Southern Cross Incorporated Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.07.10 07:16:00 - [88] (1) It's EVE or Eve, not eVe. (2) I can't see this kind of tax having much benefit.
Chrysalis D'lilth	Posted - 2007.07.10 08:04:00 - [89] Why are there so many grammar police around? What difference does it make how you type Eve? I cuold tyr nad poorve a pinot ubt i dno't tinhk ti's wrtoh my tmie. Freaky.
Ethaet Gallente	Posted - 2007.07.10 08:06:00 - [90] Originally by: Entreri Finwe Q. How to remove much of the silly spam on Eve-O forums? A. Three words, ban Jenny Spitfire. /signed
Erim Solfara Amarr House of Solfara	Posted - 2007.07.10 10:30:00 - [91] Originally by: Seeing EyeDog Originally by: Entreri Finwe Q. How to remove much of the silly spam on Eve-O forums? A. Three words, ban Jenny Spitfire. how about "ban dark shikari"? or even better..."ban tiller" Point in Dark Shikari isn't an idle troll spewing incessant drivel. Spenny, you're an idiot. A new tool in the fight for balance?
Ladyah Liandri A GmbH	Posted - 2007.07.10 10:38:00 - [92] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Cheyenne Shadowborn Originally by: Ladyah Liandri Back on topic: tax on ISK transfers would solve what problem exactly? Oh btw I second that question ... WHY? In-game tax is not taxing. And tax is a good for eVe-onomy and this game. There is definitely a lot of ISKs floating in this game. Why is it not good to remove ISKs? Errr ... now it really gets annoying, Spenny. Answering a question with a question? I was rather hoping for the expertise you mentioned in your original post.
Ladyah Liandri A GmbH	Posted - 2007.07.10 10:45:00 - [93] Originally by: Chrysalis D'lilth Why are there so many grammar police around? What difference does it make how you type Eve? I cuold tyr nad poorve a pinot ubt i dno't tinhk ti's wrtoh my tmie. Freaky. Because at a certain point sticking with eVe like sweet Spenny Jitfire annoyingly does a.) undermines the credibility of her post and b.) starts bordering heavy trolling.
Chrysalis D'lilth	Posted - 2007.07.10 11:06:00 - [94] You do realise in commenting on her grammar, you not only derail the subject yourself, but also add weight to any post she makes by responding. Responding to a post you feel is trolling, is simply giving the troll what they want and 'feeding the flames'. (spock tone) In either case, both outcomes are, illogical.
Callthetruth Caldari Logical Logtistics	Posted - 2007.07.10 11:07:00 - [95] the ISK isnt an issue. Just need to find more sinks for it
Tareen Kashaar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.07.10 11:40:00 - [96] Edited by: Tareen Kashaar on 10/07/2007 11:41:09 Originally by: Dark Shikari I liked the old Jenny so much better. At least I don't see the word "crafters" plastered across endless acres of valuable forum space anymore! I think we're making some progress here! Edit: Also, inflation and deflation are quite natural phenomena, even if they aren't neccessarily desired. --- WTS: Forum Signatures, price negotiable. Evemail me!
PanzerGrenadier Caldari Target Practice Inc. Frontline.	Posted - 2007.07.10 16:53:00 - [97] Originally by: Hamfast Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Originally by: Magunus Originally by: SiJira Edited by: SiJira on 09/07/2007 13:12:49 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire My idea on how to balance eVe economy and remove too much ISKs. Before I present my idea, I want to make my post credible by declaring that I am a RL economist with many years experience. yes everyone is an economist in real life when they play eve <snip> Patently untrue! Only 20% are economists, 30% are game designers, 40% are network engineers, and 20% are Chuck Norris! (Which, by the way, means that Chuck Norris is an economist, game designer, or a network engineer at least 50% of the time.) What about Jack Bauer? Chuck Norris is not allowing Jack Bauer to show his face in EVE... so if you see Jack Bauer he must be a fake. Besides, Jack Bauer is a Chuck Norris wanna-be. Bear Grylls would kick both of them in the ass.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.10 18:57:00 - [98] Originally by: Ladyah Liandri Originally by: Chrysalis D'lilth Why are there so many grammar police around? What difference does it make how you type Eve? I cuold tyr nad poorve a pinot ubt i dno't tinhk ti's wrtoh my tmie. Freaky. Because at a certain point sticking with eVe like sweet Spenny Jitfire annoyingly does eVe looks nice. If you don't like it, look elsewhere. If anyone else thinks my point of view is rubbish i.e. sinking ISKs by taxing wallet transfers and trade windows, please ask Dr.Eyj=G to tell me it is rubbish and it will never ever be considered in-game. I will eat my humble pie and not post for 2 weeks. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Warrio Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.10 19:11:00 - [99] Did Jenny Spitfire get sold to someone with really bad ideas? Sig removed due to being too freaking awsome. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Deckard Cain
Aypse D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.10 20:02:00 - [100] Originally by: Warrio Did Jenny Spitfire get sold to someone with really bad ideas? Originally by: Oveur Eve is primarily a PVP game and hence our focus is on making that experience balanced.
Nullity Gallente	Posted - 2007.07.10 20:26:00 - [101] Edited by: Nullity on 10/07/2007 20:26:16 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Trade window and wallet transfer taxes would discourage Jita-style scams, ISKs laundering and encourage active ISKs sink. Why exactly is it good to discourage scams? Scamming is a fun, challenging, and pretty rewarding in-game career. Why would you nerf content? Originally by: Dark Shikari I liked the old Jenny so much better. This can't be said enough. Originally by: Frug TAX NPC CORPS thanks. I've always liked this idea a lot actually. But maybe only start to impose said tax after a month or two of membership in the corporation.
CrestoftheStars Perkone	Posted - 2007.07.10 21:00:00 - [102] Edited by: CrestoftheStars on 10/07/2007 21:01:02 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire By the way, it is eVe bank to tax 2% per transaction of ISKs transferred between players when players give ISKs to another character through trade window or wallet option. We have tax on market trading, why not close this loop hole and have tax on ISKs transfer? where is the bank that then gives % of your isk stored back to you each X time? edit: a moderater should seriusly go around and instant banningany one from the forum, that just spam something ******** instead of behaving polite and keeping to the subject. ___________________________________________ Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both. For a wounded
Mayoz Miner Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.10 21:54:00 - [103] Please no more tax I have tax coming out of my arse, get enough of that IRL. It astounds me that we get taxed on our labour . Please don't suggest ideas like that again it makes me ill thinking about it.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.07.10 22:01:00 - [104] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire eVe looks nice. If you don't like it, look elsewhere. Not seeing your name under "Author" or "Last Post," looks a lot better.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.11 07:50:00 - [105] Originally by: CrestoftheStars where is the bank that then gives % of your isk stored back to you each X time? I do not mind CCP give us interest for depositing ISKs in savings. Put interest rate at 0.05% or 1% to encourage people to spend and trade and not save too much ISKs. Every time when players wallet transfers, tax is applied. Originally by: nullity Why exactly is it good to discourage scams? Scamming is a fun, challenging, and pretty rewarding in-game career. Why would you nerf content? You can still scam but do it outside stations to avoid trade window tax or you can do contract scams. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Ares Lightfeather Gallente	Posted - 2007.07.11 08:23:00 - [106] Yeah, but Eve doesn't need isk sinks. Actually, it needs less isk sinks. As someone said above, it's really easy for noobs to buy their ships and setups 2 months ahead of time (compared to when they can fly it). Removing some isk sinks would also have the following benefits : raising the price of items of all sorts (from minerals to t1 and t2 goods, including ships), which would increase the benefits of mining / trading items with players / manufacturing compared to trading of NPC goods, missions and ratting. I say : nerf ratting, bounties, missions, and most of important, nerf those stupid NPC goods trade lane. Make eve a real player-driven game ! To do that, I propose to delete the following isk sinks / fountains : remove all NPC-sold trade goods. Tie insurance cost at 90% of the average minerals costs in the game. A fixed amount artificially keep minerals and ships prices high, therefore fixing a minimum price for all items in eve... PS : a tax is therefore useless.
Mnengli Noiliffe	Posted - 2007.07.11 08:33:00 - [107] Edited by: Mnengli Noiliffe on 11/07/2007 08:33:45 Originally by: Ares Lightfeather if you remove all isk income into game (missions/rat/bounties/trade) then all isk in game will eventually be eliminated by remaining isk sinks, and then what? only barter? and no isk sink based npc services? sorry but you are speaking nonsense.
Ares Lightfeather Gallente	Posted - 2007.07.11 08:48:00 - [108] Originally by: Mnengli Noiliffe Please learn to read. Because, obviously, you have issues : you can't see the difference between "some" and "all".
Dowey Caldari Pizza Duo	Posted - 2007.07.11 08:59:00 - [109] Your all picky bastards on this forum EVE eVe EvE CAN YOU SEE A DIFFERENCE????? NO THEY ARE THE SAME FECKIN LETTERS... jeez forum shack***s have nothing better to do than pick at something so small?? Get Real guys an actually give ** about something worth it ---------------------------------------------- Can't nerf this, dun dun da dun!!!!
K'reemy G'udness Gallente Delicious	Posted - 2007.07.11 17:29:00 - [110] Originally by: Kirex I miss the old jenny too. :( Look, this one might be a stupid troll, but at least he doesn't talk like yoda. I hated the old jenny, with that stupid crap. Sincerely, K'reemy --- Brian Blessed Saviour of the Universe
Mnengli Noiliffe	Posted - 2007.07.11 19:50:00 - [111] Quote: how do you define "some"? bounties and mission rewards have already been nerfed multiple times. no matter how more you nerf it, the people from 0.0 will whine to nerf it even more. because these are the only ISK influx sources into economy. all player market isk prices will adjust according to missions/bounties/trade influx. and so people who don't want to attach themselves to these influxes, will always whine nerf it.
Kim Chee Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.11 21:03:00 - [112] I don't have a problem with the addition of a tax to cover wire transfers. I also don't have a problem with giving the NPC corps a tax rate, since CONCORD has to be funded for all those ships they lose while protecting the pods of their charges.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.07.11 22:17:00 - [113] stop bumping this stupid thread and no the majority of the community does not support this ask in any local ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.12 19:09:00 - [114] Originally by: SiJira stop bumping this stupid thread and no the majority of the community does not support this ask in any local So Miss Intellectual, why is this idea stupid? Removing ISKs is good for the game, isn't it? Any method of ISKs removal is good in MMOG. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Gort Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.07.12 19:46:00 - [115] I think it is wrong to assert that continuing to increase the rate of isk removal from the game is a good thing. Where is the evidence that supports this? The argument alone, unless qualified and bounded, is specious and not well-considered. Otherwise simply remove all the isk from the game and be done with it! Regards, Gortimus -- When in doubt, empty the magazine.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.12 20:03:00 - [116] Originally by: Dowey Your all picky bastards on this forum EVE eVe EvE CAN YOU SEE A DIFFERENCE????? NO THEY ARE THE SAME FECKIN LETTERS... jeez forum shack***s have nothing better to do than pick at something so small?? Get Real guys an actually give about something worth it Then I guess your name is dOweY, then? For ** sake, a little letter is NOT the same as a capital letter! They're different! It's English grammar 101! AAAAARGH! --------
Nachshon Caldari Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.07.12 20:36:00 - [117] Um, why is removing ISK good for the game? I haven't seen any inflation going on. Besides, NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION! ____________________________________ Caldari by birth, Minmatar by citizenship. The True Meaning of Freedom
Lumy Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.07.12 21:03:00 - [118] Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: Dowey Your all picky bastards on this forum EVE eVe EvE CAN YOU SEE A DIFFERENCE????? NO THEY ARE THE SAME FECKIN LETTERS... jeez forum shack***s have nothing better to do than pick at something so small?? Get Real guys an actually give about something worth it Then I guess your name is dOweY, then? For sake, a little letter is NOT the same as a capital letter! They're different! It's English grammar 101! AAAAARGH! I do agree. The correct form is EVE Online**. See branding guidelines. Paragraph 3.3 ;) In essence, distorting name of EVE on purpose puts you to same category of people that write 'turrents' and 'capitol ships'. But back to the topic. The OP doesn't give any reason why there is too much money in EVE. Or at least why does he/she thinks there is. I can't see anything that would indicate that something is wrong. When prices will skyrocket and pilots won't be able to get their ship for any amount of money (barter only), complain then please.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.07.12 21:04:00 - [119] jenny its a stupid idea because - im sure people can fill you in on all the other reasons but i will work with just one the loan contract does not work with isk eve has a very active business market that would be hurt by this - some people issue shares others operate without them - both involve the movement of money that would be severely hurt by your idea ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.12 22:59:00 - [120] Originally by: SiJira eve has a very active business market that would be hurt by this - some people issue shares others operate without them - both involve the movement of money that would be severely hurt by your idea The thread is about sinking ISKs and where else is good for sinking ISKs if not at the spot where movement of money is active? Taxito ergo sum. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
RtoZ	Posted - 2007.07.12 23:10:00 - [121] You do realise I would just transfer my ISK via private item exchange contract and effectively the only tax that would result out of this is a 10 000 isk flat tax. Or via corp wallet. Sorry, it might work for those that accept the notion there is too much isk in eve (where is it? I don't have it do I?), but only in theory, as in practice people will work around it.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.07.13 02:24:00 - [122] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: SiJira eve has a very active business market that would be hurt by this - some people issue shares others operate without them - both involve the movement of money that would be severely hurt by your idea The thread is about sinking ISKs and where else is good for sinking ISKs if not at the spot where movement of money is active? Taxito ergo sum. i dont think you understand - business people - especially those that cant or wont issue shares will be hurt the most i doubt you work with economics if you dont know what this means ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some

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