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Ryas Nia
Minmatar Stormriders Fimbulwinter
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Posted - 2007.07.09 21:13:00 -
[61]
look i have a spoon on my noes!
Pic*
Picture is a simulation and not an actual photo of me.
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Hamfast
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.07.09 21:29:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Originally by: Magunus
Originally by: SiJira Edited by: SiJira on 09/07/2007 13:12:49
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
My idea on how to balance eVe economy and remove too much ISKs. Before I present my idea, I want to make my post credible by declaring that I am a RL economist with many years experience.
yes everyone is an economist in real life when they play eve
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Patently untrue! Only 20% are economists, 30% are game designers, 40% are network engineers, and 20% are Chuck Norris! (Which, by the way, means that Chuck Norris is an economist, game designer, or a network engineer at least 50% of the time.)
What about Jack Bauer?
Chuck Norris is not allowing Jack Bauer to show his face in EVE... so if you see Jack Bauer he must be a fake.
Besides, Jack Bauer is a Chuck Norris wanna-be.
None of us is as dumb as all of us...
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.07.09 21:37:00 -
[63]
A much better solution to controlling the ISK, is to just give all your ISK to me.
And I'd like to make this post credible by declaring I'm a RL billionare.
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Pilok Shitfly
Minmatar Soliders Of Eve The Makhai
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Posted - 2007.07.09 21:48:00 -
[64]
Edited by: Pilok ****fly on 09/07/2007 21:47:42
Originally by: CCP Wrangler No more taxes!!
Or only in eve
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Cipher7
OldBastardsPub SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.09 22:18:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Trovarion
Originally by: Cipher7
The notion that there is too much ISK in game is one held by people who sit in 0.0 and chain spawns every day without ever losing a ship.
corrected that for you.
Yeah cuz nobody dies in 0.0
Besides they are nerfing cloaking, the ss+cloak farmers will get theirs soon enough.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.09 22:41:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Cheyenne Shadowborn
Originally by: Ladyah Liandri Back on topic: tax on ISK transfers would solve what problem exactly?
Oh btw I second that question ... WHY?
In-game tax is not taxing. And tax is a good for eVe-onomy and this game. There is definitely a lot of ISKs floating in this game. Why is it not good to remove ISKs?
Trade window and wallet transfer taxes are loopholes. They are never taxed and encourage abuses. Contracts are taxed. Market trades are taxed. But not trade window and wallet transfer.
Newbs won't feel taxation because they do not have enough ISKs to feel the pinch because they are taxed in cents. Only well to do players who are already rich will contribute significantly to the 2% tax rate.
Trade window and wallet transfer taxes would discourage Jita-style scams, ISKs laundering and encourage active ISKs sink.
Taxing trade window and wallet transfer is to close a loop hole in this game. Markets and contracts are taxed, why not trade window and wallet transfer? It is balance to tax trade window and wallet transfer. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!
Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon.
Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game. |
Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2007.07.09 22:42:00 -
[67]
TAX
NPC
CORPS
thanks.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.09 22:43:00 -
[68]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Oh please no, I've had enough with real world taxes, and dealing with the tax agency. No more taxes!!
But it is fun to pretend to pay taxes in-game. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!
Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon.
Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game. |
Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.07.09 22:47:00 -
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Originally by: Frug TAX
NPC
CORPS
thanks.
There's no good reason to. Stop whining because you can't gank EVERYONE in Eve.
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire But it is fun to pretend to pay taxes in-game.
Ok, I think you're officially trolling now. ------------ LAG - Hopefully teen-appropriate now. IBTL! IBDS/DC! IBTC! 1st in a BoB post! And other such forum tom-foolery. |
Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.09 22:47:00 -
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Originally by: SiJira apart from that explain why there would be tax on what is essentially two people meeting face to face - in station trading
and why there would be a tax on a private transaction? my wallet - your wallet
Because wiring money from one wallet to another wallet is a service from eVe bank and it is an income gain for the receiver.
And it is good to impose a service tax on the source for transferring ISKs and tax the receiver for the income gain. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!
Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon.
Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game. |
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.09 22:48:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire But it is fun to pretend to pay taxes in-game.
Ok, I think you're officially trolling now.
No. That is a comedy response to Wrangilydoodily. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!
Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon.
Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game. |
Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.09 22:50:00 -
[72]
Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 09/07/2007 22:54:26 Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 09/07/2007 22:49:38
Originally by: Kharadran Sullath I'm sure Dr.Eyj=G will know what to do once he's finished his first quarterly report.
I would be surprised if Eyj=G would not suggest taxes one day.
Originally by: sableye I don;nt want any silly isk sinks, we got more isk sinks now that ever before and whenambulationcomes out maybe all furniture and clothes will be sold via npc creating another isk sink, there shold be npc items sold for alot that ric people may want to buy, 100 mil isk for a pair of sun glasses ect.
I also think we need some pleasureyaughts that rich people can buy
When ambulation comes, I would be suggesting property taxes e.g. tax on offices, apartments, etc.
--------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!
Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon.
Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game. |
Miriyana
Gallente BeyondXtreme Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2007.07.09 23:06:00 -
[73]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Oh please no, I've had enough with real world taxes, and dealing with the tax agency. No more taxes!!
I love you - - - - - - Change just leads to more problems
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Oh please no, I've had enough with real world taxes, and dealing with the tax agency. No more taxes!!
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Incantare
Caldari Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.09 23:36:00 -
[74]
Wrangler saves the day.
Quote: A. My favourite word, tax.
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LinBadar
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.09 23:54:00 -
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This would have a very negative effect on communist corps where the money is distributed as needed to the individuals. It basically takes away internal control of the corporation to govern its own finances and assumes a capitalistic approach to corp/individual wealth.
There should be no CCP imposed taxes on player run organisations (so taxing NPC corps is fine :D ).
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Kirex
Gallente Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.07.10 00:18:00 -
[76]
I miss the old jenny too. :(
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2007.07.10 00:24:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Frug TAX
NPC
CORPS
thanks.
There's no good reason to. Stop whining because you can't gank EVERYONE in Eve.
There are very good reason's to, just none that you have apparently thought about.
Macro miners enjoy immunity to any kind of retribution. Do you know how? Take a guess.
It would also encourage people to leave those garbage corps and join real ones.
There is no good reason -not- to, and at least two good reasons to do it. And don't say it would hurt newbies, because I'm not talking about making anyone go broke and there's easy ways to balance that.
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.07.10 01:15:00 -
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Originally by: Frug
There are very good reasons to, just none that you have apparently thought about. Macro miners enjoy immunity to any kind of retribution. Do you know how? Take a guess. It would also encourage people to leave those garbage corps and join real ones. There is no good reason -not- to, and at least two good reasons to do it. And don't say it would hurt newbies, because I'm not talking about making anyone go broke and there's easy ways to balance that. And for the record, I don't gank people. So pretty much you're wrong about everything.
1. Why should people not interested in joining player corporations be penalized by increased tax rates? 2. Macrominers would still do what they did, they'd just create 20% more characters to do it with. The overall amount and effect of macromining would remain unchanged. 3. Just because you think those corps are garbage, doesn't mean everyone does. 4. It seems to me that your personal reasons for wanting to tax NPC corps is to encourage players to join what you call "real corporations." How does this benefit you personally? The majority of suggestions regarding this have been made by players who want the opportunity to attack people in those NPC corporations. Statistically speaking, your reasoning is similar the majority who make almost exactly the same arguments. 5. Isn't the fact that it would hurt newbies a good reason not to? 6. I think that claiming anyone is "wrong about everything" is employing a little bit of hyperbole. ------------ LAG - Hopefully teen-appropriate now. IBTL! IBDS/DC! IBTC! 1st in a BoB post! And other such forum tom-foolery. |
BluOrange
Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2007.07.10 02:57:00 -
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My emotional response is: "Tax is not fun, I don't like this"
Thinking about it, I have a very nice rationalization!
Yes, tax is a real part of real economies. Yes, it would be good to remove more money from the economy. And yes, wallet transfers are a loophole.
However, there is a very similar loophole that exists IRL, it's called 'cash'. There is a very real RL black-market economy, and a grey-market economy, too. And in RL, just as in EVE, you have people being nice and friendly to each other by engaging in unrecorded cash transactions, and you also have people using it as a device for scamming. So this is a loophole that should exist.
Me, I'm quite happy to pay 10,000isk for an Item Transfer contract that gives me a nice clear list of what I'm buying or selling and creates a record of the tranaction. I also think it's reasonable to be charged to use the market, even though I have also trained a few levels of Broker Relations and Accounting. But people have a right to choose the high-risk path, and if they think that those minimal savings are worth their while, then there are plenty of predators out there who will be happy to give them an interesting and educational experience.
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Vincenzo Delloro
Amarr Lux et Veritas
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Posted - 2007.07.10 03:00:00 -
[80]
Before I write the rest of my post, I want to make my post credible by declaring that I am a trained philosopher.
So basically I think about stuff like brains in vats and then expect money to magically appear. While living on the couches of friends.
Actually, I don't really have a point to this, I just wanted an excuse to use the phrase "brains in vats".
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Seeing EyeDog
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Posted - 2007.07.10 05:25:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Entreri Finwe Q. How to remove much of the silly spam on Eve-O forums? A. Three words, ban Jenny Spitfire.
how about "ban dark shikari"? or even better..."ban tiller"
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Snake Jankins
Minmatar German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.07.10 05:40:00 -
[82]
Edited by: Snake Jankins on 10/07/2007 05:41:13
Originally by: Jennai
Originally by: Hannobaal Maybe I'm arguing semantics, but "surplus" sounds like there is too much money in the system. There can't be. Any amount of money will work. It's how fast the amount of money in the system is increasing (or decreasing in the opposite case) that matters.
Germany 1924, where people would feed their stoves with bricks of paper money because it burned longer than the equivalent value of firewood.
but yeah it's more about inflation than actual amount of money, because it can't reach that point unless there's a really high inflation rate and no one is doing anything about it.
Yes, that was a galopping inflation. It leads to people putting less goods on the market for sale, because money is worth less each day. People rather keep their goods or swap for other goods they need, instead giving it away for some paper that loses value so rapidly.
That's not happening in EVE currently. People are still after the isk. Many 'work' like mad to invent, produce etc. to sell for isk or rat for the bounties. ___________ I've never been so serious as I am now. No, really. |
Thom Daranta
Gallente Free Rasalhague Republic
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Posted - 2007.07.10 05:45:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Onchas Erivvia
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire I want to make my post credible by declaring that I am a RL economist with many years experience.
Experience at what? Frankly, I don't believe you.
[qoute]eVe bank to tax 2% per transaction of ISKs transferred between players when players give ISKs to another character through trade window or wallet option.
Even economists known how to make an argument. The first thing you have to establish is that the economic is actually "imbalanced" and that there is a "surplus" of isk in the economy and that that surplus has a negative effect on the exchange of goods and on people's ability to acquire the goods they first need, and second want. You have done none of those things.
I am ignoring the rest of the quoted post in this response because I am new to Eve and haven't witnessed trends through my own perception.
First of all, I am not an economist. I once failed to attend classes for an Accounting for Hospitality course, and I "help" my fiance with her Financial Accounting class. I spent my time in college studying historic archaeology and material culture, which has no bearing on the subject. My qualifications to speak on this matter should be clear.
As a new player, I can give this observation: any inflationary pressures on prices have not raised goods out of reach of the new players. I can afford skills as I need them, I can buy a cruiser a week ahead of when I can actually use it effectively. I can kit up my frigate with the best named items, and have other crappy setups available fitted to frigs for pvp. My clone is up to date, and I am showing a surplus in my wallet. I am looking at Assault Frigs and saying, that is within striking distance.
Any change made by the developers to basic economic functions should be done to resolve specific problems. There are no problems with inflation taking things out of range of new players, and I know that my corporation is able to afford the high end items needed to attain our communal goals.
There is no problem with inflation. If everyone can afford what they need, if incomes rise to meet rising prices, then it is balanced. Problems would be introduced if prices for goods rose out of the range of those who needed those goods. This is not the case, hence there is no problem and hence there is no reason for the makers of the game to tamper with complex code that can render the economic game useless with a single hard to find mistake.
A basic assumption has been made by Jenny Spitfire that is not supported by my observations. Others may feel otherwise, and certainly I have just started. But if there was inflation, it would impact the newbs the hardest and I just don't see that happening.
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2007.07.10 05:59:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Snake Jankins
Yes, that was a galopping inflation. It leads to people putting less goods on the market for sale, because money is worth less each day. People rather keep their goods or swap for other goods they need, instead giving it away for some paper that loses value so rapidly. And by not giving away their stuff for money they further lower the value of the currency and the inflation speeds up.
That's not happening in EVE currently. People are still after the isk. Many 'work' like mad to invent, produce etc. to sell for isk or rat for the bounties.
If there is inflation now in eve (I think there is) and if it continues to grow (I think it will if nothing is done) then are you claiming it will have no effect on the economy?
I think it would. I think it's more than just adding 0's to the prices of things, it effects everything. They're printing money like crazy in new eden, pulling it out of thin air, and it needs to go somewhere.
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Level5
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Posted - 2007.07.10 06:02:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: Cheyenne Shadowborn
Originally by: Ladyah Liandri Back on topic: tax on ISK transfers would solve what problem exactly?
Oh btw I second that question ... WHY?
In-game tax is not taxing. And tax is a good for eVe-onomy and this game. There is definitely a lot of ISKs floating in this game. Why is it not good to remove ISKs?
Trade window and wallet transfer taxes are loopholes. They are never taxed and encourage abuses. Contracts are taxed. Market trades are taxed. But not trade window and wallet transfer.
Newbs won't feel taxation because they do not have enough ISKs to feel the pinch because they are taxed in cents. Only well to do players who are already rich will contribute significantly to the 2% tax rate.
Trade window and wallet transfer taxes would discourage Jita-style scams, ISKs laundering and encourage active ISKs sink.
Taxing trade window and wallet transfer is to close a loop hole in this game. Markets and contracts are taxed, why not trade window and wallet transfer? It is balance to tax trade window and wallet transfer.
J. people will always find workarounds, btw private contracts are 10k, i hardly call that a % based tax. people can always go to a moon jettison their goods and exchange it.. whats next, we tax jettisoning ?
ps: its called EVE not eVe !!
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Diashi
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Posted - 2007.07.10 06:26:00 -
[86]
So the money goes into the EVE Bank? Hmm...
So that means when its my turn and I land on Free Parking I get the pot right?
Sounds cool!
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Fenren
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Posted - 2007.07.10 06:57:00 -
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Originally by: Diashi So the money goes into the EVE Bank? Hmm...
So that means when its my turn and I land on Free Parking I get the pot right?
Sounds cool!
THAT is some serius iskies you gain... hope I get lucky soon
Originally by: CCP Ginger Hello!
Ships have crews, most pod controlled frigates do not, above that they have crews of varying sizes. Hope that helps.
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Hammer Judge
Southern Cross Incorporated Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.07.10 07:16:00 -
[88]
(1) It's EVE or Eve, not eVe. (2) I can't see this kind of tax having much benefit. |
Chrysalis D'lilth
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Posted - 2007.07.10 08:04:00 -
[89]
Why are there so many grammar police around? What difference does it make how you type Eve?
I cuold tyr nad poorve a pinot ubt i dno't tinhk ti's wrtoh my tmie.
Freaky.
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Ethaet
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.07.10 08:06:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Entreri Finwe Q. How to remove much of the silly spam on Eve-O forums? A. Three words, ban Jenny Spitfire.
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