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Fitz Chivalry
eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.13 21:34:00 -
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*shrugs* All I know is I got a lot of kills across a few toons (including 0utbreak's ceo w00t), lost a couple of ships, had a laugh and got access to a station at a time when you could make insane isk as a corp in a short amount of time.
If you want to view that as a huge disaster so be it.
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Murina
Gallente
The JORG Corporation
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.13 21:45:00 -
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Edited by: Murina on 13/07/2007 21:46:44
Edited by: Murina on 13/07/2007 21:45:19
 Originally by: Fitz Chivalry
*shrugs* All I know is I got a lot of kills across a few toons (including 0utbreak's ceo w00t), lost a couple of ships, had a laugh and got access to a station at a time when you could make insane isk as a corp in a short amount of time.
If you want to view that as a huge disaster so be it.
Comon bud i never sais it was a disaster just a pleasant time for fatal cos we are a pvp corp pure and simple and to get all those kills and then get a big payout for a outpost that tbh with 1 dread and about 1/8 th of your conventional numbers at the time we could never have held anyway was a perfect end to a lovely fight. Especialy seeing as zid was at about 1k when we left.
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Fitz Chivalry
eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.13 21:54:00 -
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Originally by: Murina
Edited by: Murina on 13/07/2007 21:46:44
Edited by: Murina on 13/07/2007 21:45:19
Originally by: Fitz Chivalry
*shrugs* All I know is I got a lot of kills across a few toons (including 0utbreak's ceo w00t), lost a couple of ships, had a laugh and got access to a station at a time when you could make insane isk as a corp in a short amount of time.
If you want to view that as a huge disaster so be it.
Comon bud i never sais it was a disaster just a pleasant time for fatal cos we are a pvp corp pure and simple and to get all those kills and then get a big payout for a outpost that tbh with 1 dread and about 1/8 th of your conventional numbers at the time we could never have held anyway was a perfect end to a lovely fight. Especialy seeing as zid was at about 1k when we left.
Fair enough.
Just curious, how much did the MC contract cost?
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Murina
Gallente
The JORG Corporation
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.13 22:06:00 -
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I remember it was bargin basement cos of the chance of a MS kill and cos it was a one night deal plus a lot of us is buds to the guys in MC but id need to ask to know exactly. Il edit when the chappy with the figure is on and if he remembers.
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Noluck Ned
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.13 22:11:00 -
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Hi Fitz
We also kept our promise not to come back to gank you for 3 months after the sale, and we kept it despite a vocal minority that wanted to run gangs in there every day.
I remember ym- as some amazing fleet battles and some knock down drag out slugfests around every POS.
As for MC they sadly had to leave after the first night to defend their home vs AAA. Profesionals that they are, the contract fee was refunded on the basis of them being unable to fulfil our wishes at that time. This was fully understandable considering their home too was under threat.
Anyway the upshot of you guys buying it out in the end was that we were able to re-imburse all of the members who had invested personal funds in the building of the outpost. Considering that we had put it up a week before you guys attacked us I take my hat off to our logistics team who managed to have eleven fully armed deathstars up and running in the short time they had. As you remember we still had majority coverage at the time ceasefire was called.
In short: no hard feelings. It was a fantastic learning experience and I had a ball personally. It was a trial by fire for our fledgling alliance and I feel we all came out of it stronger and better prepeared than when we went in. I salute all I flew with and against in that confrontation.
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Goberth Ludwig
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.07.14 00:03:00 -
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Originally by: Murina
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Murina
Yup its all kinda fluffy up there now. With gentle elavator music playing and the hum of mining lazers to send all there to the arms of morpheaus.
Hmm it maybe worth sending a cloaker out there to check for capital ship building cos its a prime spot for it.
And it was 22 bil hehe and you will never guess who paid us roflmao anybody wanna see some wallet logs?.
Yes I would.
Ok spoke to gunny and he says unfortunatly the wallet logs don't go back that far but he says the chappy was called virtuoso or summat like that from invictus.
Dunno if that rings a bell or if i got the spelling of the name exactly right but he is definate he was an invictus chappy and name was vertuoso or a near spelling to that.
Sounds like that long winded chappy from the other thread to me but you will know better than i who has that sort of cash or authority in your alliance to pay out 22 bil.
gunship is a well known fella in eve so just ask if you need more info about this and il mention it to him.
Virt says he paid you nothing, do you have any evidence apart from the word of your CEO?
- Gob
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Stamm
Amarr
Three Holdings
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.07.14 00:16:00 -
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Since it's now out in the open I might as well disclose it in full.
An agreement was made between Rule of Three and Ka Tet that we could not safely allow Fatal Alliance to build up in the area they had deployed an outpost. With LV set to fall, and our intelligence indicating the alliance would fold up we felt that Fatal space would be the launch pad for a BoB/LV friendly invasion of the New Regions. Up until this point it had been RULE and Ka Tet policy to remove any threat of this kind. The thing that sealed it was seeing a BoB office in the station.
We considered some options on who was to move in. Virtuozo and Helen had plans to invade and take space in the new regions. I tied them up with our plans and we made an agreement to jointly remove Fatal and place Invictus in their place.
So, we all went and attacked Fatal. Fatal put up an impressive resistance. Their space was located some distance away from ours. Close enough that they may expand and envelop our neighbours, but far enough so that it wasn't just a few jumps away. We wanted a fast campaign. Ka Tet wanted to be free to assist against BoB/LV should it be required, RULE had not had a real peace and desperately wanted one to build up and prepare for the BoB threat on the north.
0utbreak assistance was not expected. We did expect some BoB or LV assistance, which is why we were hoping for a fast campaign.
Initially things went well, Fatal were fantastic fun to fight against. It wasn't the case that we were fighting disorganised nubs in battlecruisers. We were up against experienced organised players, in gangs led by competent FCs with the SPs to back.
Before 0utbreak came to assist I do not know what state the towers were in. To the best of my memory we had several enemy towers in reinforced. I think we may already have destroyed the (3?) towers we had taken down at that point. In any case by the time 0utbreak came we had exhausted Fatals supply of fighters and battleships to some degree. They were heading to empire for new supplies, and we were reasonably effective in locking down access, which had the knock on effect of reducing their effective numbers, which enabled us to deploy capital fleets. LV were running roaming gangs to harass our supply lines - I do not know if this was to assist Fatal, or for the kills. I suspect they felt it was nice to assist Fatal, but they were doing it for the kills. Our intel indicated that the LV leadership were not looking to bail Fatal out. Fatal had left the fold, they should not expect to enjoy the full protection of it.
When 0utbreak arrived things changed, 0utbreak bolstered the fleets that Fatal were still fielding - at no point were Fatal lying down or giving up it's fair to point out. 0utbreak were dispensing lessons on how to hit and fade using T2 snipers, very fast interdictors against superior numbers. The fleets were were fielding were vastly superior in numbers, but not quite so superior in long range firepower.
At this point the campaign had gone on for I believe around 2 weeks. It was pretty clear which direction it was heading. There was no way that Fatal could destroy any Invictus POSs, and while our progress was not as fast as we would like we were still making progress. RULE is able to field a capital fleet outside of standard timezones, which was helping us, particularly as 0utbreak (at that point anyway, not sure about now) numbers seemed to be mainly UK evenings.
Then the bombshell hit - screengrabs from MCs forums on the contract that was accepted to wipe out our capital fleets, and repel us from Fatals home. We decided that fielding capitals with MCs megafleet waiting would be folly. Helen was having fun with the Aeon, and bravely perhaps too bravely was trying to pop people and got killed. At the end of the day though there's no point having the toys if you don't use them, and STKs impressive industrial might is such that they can afford to both field and lose motherships.
More to follow.
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Stamm
Amarr
Three Holdings
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.07.14 00:22:00 -
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Our intel was not able to indicate if MC were going to stay or not. The shaky intel we had indicated that most of their capital fleet had gone back to MC land to fight the AAA invasion fleets, however a significant number was held back to strike us if we brought out our capital fleets.
The situation at this point was that without propping up Fatal were going to eventually fail. We would still lose more capitals (I believe we had lost 5-8, excluding the Aeon by this point).
Fatal were prepared to conceed that they would eventually lose. RULE/Ka-Tet/Invictus wanted an end to the situation.
Gunship, Virtuozo and I made an agreement, if memory serves I think this was on my vent server. The terms of the agreement were to be confidential.
The basics of the agreement were that Fatal were going to lose, but if the war was stopped at this point then RULE/Ka Tet/Invictus would lose less ships and save time, and Fatal would get their assets out. Fatal were not to accept the agreement and then come right back. I don't think there was any issue with roaming gangs - both Fatal and my side greatly enjoyed fighting each other and viewed each other as worthy opponents (well I can't speak for Fatal on their views of us really). The point was that it wasn't just an agreement that would see the inevitable happen and then Fatal reappear with the MC again when they had finished in Period Basis and retake it.
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Akov Stohs
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.14 01:22:00 -
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Edited by: Akov Stohs on 14/07/2007 01:22:12
When Helen lost his ship, You had destroyed 3 Towers, one of which was a small pos that was replaced with a large by us and managed to put up two of your own Large. 10 Other Large Pos belonged to fatal in system. None of which were in reinforced. This was at end of week 2 of the siege. The First Non Fatal pos went up towards the middle of the 2nd week. Some time in the following week, the agreement was made.
The agreement was that we were not to enter the drone regions for 3 months, we received X amount of isk, which the precise amount is unknown to me personally, but It did pay more then 20 Billion isk back to those that had given isk to the outpost project.
On a personal level I enjoyed every moment of it, and felt entertained the entire time. Fighting horrendously out numbered was actually entertaining. Doing things like fighter bombing in a shuttle kept me laughing for days....especially since we got multiple kills several nights in a row using the shuttles.
I enjoyed having one hell of a battle, and then kicking back and chatting about the craziness with pilots from rule. The lag was bad at times, but at least it was playable. Never forget the battle where one of my ships sustained 200k+ of damage and didn't die. Thank you capital remote reps!
It was fun, we fought very very hard, we killed a lot of caps, a ton of BS, and generally enjoyed the entire ordeal. Having people trying to mock that experience is silly. Every one knows what happened, its fairly worthless to deny it.
edit: typo
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Murina
Gallente
The JORG Corporation
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.14 01:30:00 -
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Id say that was a pretty accurate version of what actualy happened although i doubt and it hardly matters now that we had split from the bob/lv war and only got them involved as a last ditch defence option to deal with your cap fleet.
As far as fatal members are concerned the isk payment was a well known fact because it was used to repay myself and other members for our contributions to build the outpost. And also a well talked about subject by many others due to the nature and numbers stacked against us.
And if it was kept confidential as you say from members of invictus or any of the other members of your coalition for whatever reason i do apologise for letting the cat out of the bag.
And as far as proof is concerned as i said wallet logs only go back so far apparantly. So unless sombody knows how to retrieve the information it is all down to whether ppl trust mine and gunships word.
But as a member of fatal has just mentioned to me, the fact is we know the truth, you know the truth and if others choose for what ever reason weather it be embaressment or pride to hide or claim other wise then i suppose that is the way things go.
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Xenny Lee
Minmatar
Vale Heavy Industries
Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.07.14 02:06:00 -
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I mean no disrespect to all the "drone" entities, but the drone regions basically screwed over all the crokyte and ochre holding regions in MASS favor of those that had significant amounts of bistot and or ark.
So while they do have a legitimate complaint for going back on that and not given a real alternative yet, but restoring the Zyd drop is basically making alot of angry 0.0 miners.
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Sebo Darrens
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.14 05:02:00 -
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I had a ton of fun in the fight for YM-, and its good to hear the perspective from the other side. You guys did lose a fair number of capital ships, but then you had a lot more of them on the line, and we had the defensive advantage. A few of the best fights of my eve career were in YM- in that war.. also some of the most thrilling probe-ganks, which finally got you guys not to log off or safespot in our system (hah!)
As far as outside help/motives, BoB never had plans for the drone region AFAIK, LV wasn't coming to help (the DD was just for the kills) and outbreak saw a big fight and picked the smaller side on their own - something they do a lot.. and yeah, without the MC/outbreak capitals that one night, Helen wouldn't have died - but don't discount our presence and logistics in that fight.
I think it was a great time and a great experience in eve - not sure why this thread sparked some smack about it, but yeah.. those of us who were there, on both sides, knew how fun it was and nobody came out really losing.
As for the drone regions? Yeah I guess the mineral loot they drop isn't bad, even after the zyd crash.. but such a pain in the ass to deal with.. and a lot of naps make it sorta meh, but that isn't the region, just the inhabitants
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.14 16:25:00 -
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YM-
As a FC in FATAL REVALATIONS at the time i will say that it was a place where most of us will never forget. Even now there is a bond with members who were there that goes past even the normal corp boundries that exist in a normal alliance.
Most days we were outnumbered 4 or 5-1 and in the evenings by far more. And our dread fleet if i remember correctly consisted of 1 compared to 20+ as i recal.
So consiser the fact that apart from 1 night with MC, a quick DDD from chow and a 20 man sniper squad from outbreak we were totaly alone.
Now if you read most threads about the wars at the moment most attackers get a system in less than a week. Having huge 2-400 man per fleet battles just like the fights you see now on the forums FATAL held the system for two weeks against a vastly more numerous foe with at our most numerous 100 ppl including alts. Getting quite a few capital kills with no real dread fleet and countless conventional ship kills.
Most of us knew that when we saw the forces stacked against us and the number of capital ships that either we needed big help or we were gonna lose. We decided even after MC had to go to save their own systems that we would go down fighting and hurting the aggressors as much as possable. At the end we were at some points using shuttles to ftr drone bomb hostiles and when the call came for a cessation of hostilitys there was not one of us who wanted it.
The aggrement was that the station was theirs, we would stop killing their ships and we would not come back for 3 months for this we would recieve 22 billion isk and safe passage for all our ships for one week. A grace period that all hostile partys honored even invictus this time.
There is not one FATAL member that fought in YM- that is not proud of how amazingly we did and our feelings are strong when it comes to any disrespect or attempt to lessen or cheapen what many of us consider the greatest example of what we can acheive.
Now although it seems that quite a few of invictus members are honest ppl and have conviction in there decisions there are still a few who do not.
After the last load of bull we got from a few of their members about another issue i am hardly supprised at the fact "virt" as he is refered to says he denies any payment being made. It seems that the rot starts at the top and i have even more respect for the members of invictus who retain there honesty and conviction under the circumstances.
If you are so embaressed about doing somthing that you have to either hide it from your members and or deny it at a later date perhaps you should not do it in the first place.
Conviction whether right or wrong is by far more respected than deciet.
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