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PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik Gallente Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.07.10 15:08:00 - [1] Edited by: PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik on 10/07/2007 15:08:30 After reading the General Alliance "fix the damn drone regions ffs ccp" thread and finding that the vast majority of drone entities are represented in the thread I began pondering a quandry. Obviously the regions are still sub par to the faction regions of space in regards to loot, exploration, ratting etc etc but would any of the drone entities actually sell up given the chance? This is the hypothetical. For every station in the drone regions, would any alliances be willing to trade for equivilant sov in a faction 0.0 space (ie a non npc 0.0 region that spawned faction npc's)? What about the half the equivilant sov? Say your alliance had 3 constellations with 2 stations would you support a move to 1 constellation of space with 1 station ownership? As a counter to this, would any alliances invest or trade stations for drone ones? If you would stay how much longer are you willing to tolerate the neglect and lack of information regarding the intended purpose and vision that ccp had for the drone regions? As always keep it smack free etc etc BTW I should state that I have taken it upon myself to ask these questions and they in no way whatsoever represent anything to do with Katet. Peace WithinSo if the theory of relativity is true, shouldn't i arrive at my destination before i warped in the first place? Neon GhostYou do, but this is compensated for by lag
Dominixa Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.07.10 16:01:00 - [2] Aren't all you drone region folks blue to each other?
Darpz Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.10 16:05:00 - [3] lol so ka-tet finally wants out of the hell hole thats 6hl?
Vodka Neat Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.07.10 16:18:00 - [4] Yes everybody in the drone regions are blue. We have a block party every 3rd Sat. and sing kum-bi-ya while holding hands. Don't be jealous I am sure you could join in if you bring some hash brownies or E. Why are you still reading? Its over. Continue to the next post.
PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik Gallente Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.07.10 16:24:00 - [5] Originally by: Darpz lol so ka-tet finally wants out of the hell hole thats 6hl? I was about to launch into a tirade about not reading a whole post and tin foil hattery till I realised it was you Darpz Peace WithinSo if the theory of relativity is true, shouldn't i arrive at my destination before i warped in the first place? Neon GhostYou do, but this is compensated for by lag
Thor Xian EarthForce E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.07.10 16:49:00 - [6] Imo there is too much of a focus on loot in Eve...much like other MMOs. I'd rather see technology advancement as an alliance (Tech I, II, III, IV, and V) ________________________________________ ~Fleet Admiral Thor Xian, Strategic Commander Meet the Overlord
Kael Zeratul Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.10 17:02:00 - [7] lol drone regions are the suck, i highly doubt that any one will trade u even 1 outpost for 3
Won Swunglow Caldari Dead By Dawn	Posted - 2007.07.10 17:31:00 - [8] Hell I'd love the chance to have a place in the drone regions, the chance to build a new empire devoted to Industry and trade... Just imagine a whole region devoted to Industry, god damn can you imagine the laaaag. Yeh anyway now i've come to my sences, I agree with you whole heartedly...
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.10 17:40:00 - [9] I can sell you the regions there that don't have stations. For each region i take 5 bil + 0.5 bil each belt (example: region with 8 belts will cost you 5+4 = 9 bil). Just write what system you like to have and send me the isk.
oodin R.A.G.N.A.R.O.K.	Posted - 2007.07.10 18:02:00 - [10] Originally by: Thor Xian Imo there is too much of a focus on loot in Eve...much like other MMOs. I'd rather see technology advancement as an alliance (Tech I, II, III, IV, and V) and what alliance do you think will be insta jumped into lvl 5
Mihailo Great GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.10 18:25:00 - [11] If only you could reprocess or unanchor stations
Virtuozzo IVC Consortium INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.07.10 18:28:00 - [12] Originally by: Dominixa Aren't all you drone region folks blue to each other? dunno. We get complaints every day for shooting people. Madness really. It's safe to say most drone region inhabitants have been asking CCP for promised fixes until they saw blue in the face for a looong time :P But that is probably something different. What do I know - playing EVE on a black and white monitor does have its advantages. Virtuozzo Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" snip Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug
Lunarra Black Lotus Foundation INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.07.10 19:21:00 - [13] Hi mum! o/
Anubis Xian	Posted - 2007.07.10 19:24:00 - [14] Originally by: oodin Originally by: Thor Xian Imo there is too much of a focus on loot in Eve...much like other MMOs. I'd rather see technology advancement as an alliance (Tech I, II, III, IV, and V) and what alliance do you think will be insta jumped into lvl 5 Base it off of Sovereignty skill level. In any case, it would require a major redesign.
deathforge The Accursed	Posted - 2007.07.10 19:31:00 - [15] Originally by: oodin Originally by: Thor Xian Imo there is too much of a focus on loot in Eve...much like other MMOs. I'd rather see technology advancement as an alliance (Tech I, II, III, IV, and V) and what alliance do you think will be insta jumped into lvl 5 outbreak? (wait for it.....) And by the way, I rule you. ---------------------- Jerk + 122k skillpoints + Determination = Rifter of DoomÖ
Silvestri Knights of Chaos Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2007.07.10 19:35:00 - [16] at least give the drones a bounty so there worth shooting ammo for. they're garbage.
Murina Gallente FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.10 19:36:00 - [17] Originally by: Thor Xian Imo there is too much of a focus on loot in Eve...much like other MMOs. I'd rather see technology advancement as an alliance (Tech I, II, III, IV, and V) They nerfed t2 ammo so relative noobs could stand against 4-5 yr old players they are hardly gonna give us back that advantage because of numbers in a alliance.
Metaller Ocean Dynamics Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.10 20:07:00 - [18] Originally by: Won Swunglow Hell I'd love the chance to have a place in the drone regions, the chance to build a new empire devoted to Industry and trade... Just imagine a whole region devoted to Industry, god damn can you imagine the laaaag. Yeh anyway now i've come to my sences, I agree with you whole heartedly... think again, you would have to import all mex you need for that, since there are no roids that give mex, the only source is lustering alloys, which a bs belt rat drop about 40 to 50, so it makes 4500 mex per rat max, will take some time till you have the mex to build even one bs
Farham AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.07.10 20:18:00 - [19] Quote: since there are no roids that give mex Not that it gives much but it does give some...Gneiss. Not overly plentiful but can be found in the Drone Regions. Intrepid Crossing Diplomat and All Around Major Idiot
Lea Re CAPITAL TRUST FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.10 20:46:00 - [20] Originally by: Dominixa Aren't all you drone region folks blue to each other? Not only that, we also do afternoon 5 o'clock teas and play golf and croquet together. If I had a chance to sell drone regions I would never ever do it... It such a lovely peaceful place, where all the carebears go...
Koronos Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.07.10 21:39:00 - [21] Originally by: Virtuozzo <snip> What do I know - playing EVE on a black and white monitor does have its advantages. brilliant.
Thor Xian EarthForce E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.07.10 22:26:00 - [22] Originally by: Murina Originally by: Thor Xian Imo there is too much of a focus on loot in Eve...much like other MMOs. I'd rather see technology advancement as an alliance (Tech I, II, III, IV, and V) They nerfed t2 ammo so relative noobs could stand against 4-5 yr old players they are hardly gonna give us back that advantage because of numbers in a alliance. Then dont make it based on numbers...infact make high numbers make higher tech cost more...which is realistic. Small elite Tech V alliances could kill The Blob. Large Tech V alliances...will be put down by the Jovians. :p ________________________________________ ~Fleet Admiral Thor Xian, Strategic Commander Meet the Overlord
Strategos Banned Society	Posted - 2007.07.10 23:01:00 - [23] Edited by: Strategos on 10/07/2007 23:01:59 Originally by: Murina Originally by: Thor Xian Imo there is too much of a focus on loot in Eve...much like other MMOs. I'd rather see technology advancement as an alliance (Tech I, II, III, IV, and V) They nerfed t2 ammo so relative noobs could stand against 4-5 yr old players Shut up. ---Sig--- *WARNING* Do not look at my portrait for more then two seconds or it will jump out at you and kill you DEAD!
Paddlefoot Aeon Neogen Industries Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.11 02:40:00 - [24] Prior to joining Sparta, Neogen Industries was in a 4 corp alliance, and Neogen decided to grab a system in the drone regions soon after Revelations 1.0 opened them up. We moved from Dek to Drone regions, then joined Sparta and moved back to Dek. I can tell you that the only thing I miss from the Drone regions is that our POS was in a system with an ICE field... and Dark Glitter is fantastic ice to have. Other than that, I would never go back. Not saying that anything is wrong with the drone regions... I've also lived in Pureblind, and I would probably choose the Drone Regions over PB any day of the week. I am happy in faction space... lets leave it at that. :) -----------------------------------------------
Aesic Gallente The Wild Hunt FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.11 04:39:00 - [25] I wouldnt go back if an outpost was given to me.
Map Screen Flat Earth Society	Posted - 2007.07.11 05:48:00 - [26] Originally by: Aesic I wouldnt go back if an outpost was given to me. Probably because you guys would end up losing it again By the way did you guys get your circumnavigated eve universe badge?
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.07.11 06:36:00 - [27] drone regions aren't bad as long as you also own a normal region (cache, tenal, etc). I get lowend minerals faster npcing than i do mining for the with 2 characters it seems.
Ventro69 Caldari Manson Family FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.11 08:05:00 - [28] The drone regions are great! The alloys refine so well that I've parked the Hulk and haven't mined in weeks. My corp has BPO's for every single item we ever use. I sold an Apoc and built a Scorp for myself overnight. I don't know where else I'll be able to be fully self-sufficient like that. And with so little effort. I am making way better ISK than I ever did in months of running level 4 missions. So what if we're all blue to each other and so what if we have sleep-overs and so what if our mom's walk us to school and so what if we have milk and cookies during downtime?
Murina Gallente FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.11 11:40:00 - [29] Originally by: PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik Edited by: PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik on 10/07/2007 15:08:30 After reading the General Alliance "fix the damn drone regions ffs ccp" thread and finding that the vast majority of drone entities are represented in the thread I began pondering a quandry. Obviously the regions are still sub par to the faction regions of space in regards to loot, exploration, ratting etc etc but would any of the drone entities actually sell up given the chance? This is the hypothetical. For every station in the drone regions, would any alliances be willing to trade for equivilant sov in a faction 0.0 space (ie a non npc 0.0 region that spawned faction npc's)? What about the half the equivilant sov? Say your alliance had 3 constellations with 2 stations would you support a move to 1 constellation of space with 1 station ownership? As a counter to this, would any alliances invest or trade stations for drone ones? If you would stay how much longer are you willing to tolerate the neglect and lack of information regarding the intended purpose and vision that ccp had for the drone regions? As always keep it smack free etc etc BTW I should state that I have taken it upon myself to ask these questions and they in no way whatsoever represent anything to do with Katet. Ive seen a few forays into the drone area just today so are you down playing them so you wont get kicked out by the guys who are in the northern war after its finished?. tin foil hat time?.
PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik Gallente Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.07.11 13:20:00 - [30] Originally by: Murina Originally by: PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik Edited by: PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik on 10/07/2007 15:08:30\ BTW I should state that I have taken it upon myself to ask these questions and they in no way whatsoever represent anything to do with Katet. Ive seen a few forays into the drone area just today so are you down playing them so you wont get kicked out by the guys who are in the northern war after its finished?. tin foil hat time?. Amazing. Despite stressing the fact that I was speaking from my own viewpoint and not that of a Katet official you still post something like this... Considering our continuing close ties with many of our friends to the north I find it hard to follow your logic here... unless you mean that we are worried about the likes of "the new north" being able to sustain an extended campaign beyond their home systems, which in itself is laughable. But I guess you would know that considering you're position up there in the north. Peace WithinSo if the theory of relativity is true, shouldn't i arrive at my destination before i warped in the first place? Neon GhostYou do, but this is compensated for by lag
shivan Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.07.11 13:35:00 - [31] I thought that I should post something here, but I wasn't quite sure what so I won't say anything important at all and just leave it at that. ------------------ RAM KB
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.07.11 13:53:00 - [32] Originally by: Aesic I wouldnt go back if an outpost was given to me. "We didnt want that outpost anyway." - Gob Now with 20% extra emo!
Manic Smile Tau Ceti Global Production Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.07.11 14:15:00 - [33] Edited by: Manic Smile on 11/07/2007 14:16:12 Sometimes I have a hard time motivating myself to even defend Drone Space. I don't think anyone has ever said you can't make money in Drone Space...after all it's still 0.0 space. You could mine and make money. The problems are simple: No useful plexes Faction rats worth 4mil or with no salvage Drones are monotonous to rat...some new skins maybe??? We have **** for encounters There are no t1 mod drops There are no faction drops I'm sure I could think of more but you get the point. I'd trade for anyplace with 'real' plexes to scan...any offers? If CCP ever gets around to fixing the no despawn 'feature'...spent 3 hours a couple days ago scanning for a completed radar site. *courtesy of www.flickr.com I hate the jpeg format.
Hannobaal Gallente Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.11 15:00:00 - [34] Maybe it's because I don't do exploration, but I love the new regions. Ratting (even with low Zydrine prices) is awesome compared to other regions. The only thing other regions have going for them in comparison is faction and officer spawns. For normal ratting, however, you make a lot more money and the Drone battleships are far easier to tank and to kill than other factions. I can easily make 15-20 mil/hour ratting in our space. Barring faction spawns, I couldn't do that in other regions, and certainly not in a Hurricane like now. Also, the abundance of minerals means I can buy minerals on our local market, build a battlecruiser (with mediocre industrial skills), sell it at Jita prices in one of our outposts and still make a handsome profit. ------------------
Forlani Tristania Gallente Feral Tendency Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.11 18:03:00 - [35] I spent quite a while in the drone regions when they first opened up, and it was a good time. Rats dopped stupid amounts of zydrine in the form of alloys, they were relatively clear of roaming gank patrols (that changed eventually), and you could mine all sorts of asteroids that you didn't normally see. For a fairly new miner like me, I was like a kid in a candy store! Eventually, border clashes started, so you even go to see some good PvP. Unfortunately, I only mined high ends about 1/week; the rest of my mining time was devoted to low end mining. Never could get enough Mex to satisfy the builders. I would go back though...it was good times overall.
darkfuntime Minmatar Omega Enterprises Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.07.11 18:11:00 - [36] Close to home,lots of mins,easy ganks close by.My only ***** is no sec points or isk for killing drones.Sup with that CCP? [/url]
Kye Kenshin Martial.	Posted - 2007.07.11 18:21:00 - [37] Pureblind and Providence are crap too. You know you could always take over a better region.
Princess Voodoo FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.12 01:43:00 - [38] Originally by: Map Screen Edited by: Map Screen on 11/07/2007 06:41:43 Originally by: Aesic I wouldnt go back if an outpost was given to me. Probably because you guys would end up losing it Or selling it to some future, as in not known at the time, suckers... But, cute and typical troll response! hur hur I KILLED SOMEONE - HERE IS A PICTURES OF IT [ ]
Conniving Connivier Amarr Dirt Nap Squad FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.12 05:44:00 - [39] Originally by: Manic Smile No useful plexes Faction rats worth 4mil or with no salvage Drones are monotonous to rat...some new skins maybe??? We have **** for encounters There are no t1 mod drops There are no faction drops I'd have to agree here. The drone infested Domi with wavy antennas and such sure looks neat... if it was not the ONLY BS model in entire drone space Shouldn't drone space have ALL BS's possible since drone infest anything they see? Also lack of any mod dropping is sad. Reason? I know exactly what each wreck is going to have. There's no element of surprise, no random great find, etc. I think it takes out of fun. Maybe make drones drop manufacturing components rather than mods? Something to add more randomness. Aside of that I like drone space. Took a while to get a hang of having to haul a lot of stuff in order to get any ISK for ratting, but there are tricks =P So yeah... drone space is definatly different than the rest of 0.0, and its disadvantages are pretty obvious. However, it has good points (singing kum-ba-ya with Rule Of Three for example? these guys got great choir!), and in the end its home.
Asylum Seaker Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.07.12 08:13:00 - [40] Just chain it to something with a bike lock, it will be gone in no time The universe is hostile, so impersonal, devour to survive, so it is, so it's always been.
Mayalla Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.07.12 09:45:00 - [41] Only one thing would make drone regions great place, and that is sec gain when killing drones. The rest is irrelevant... Your signature image exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo http://lost.eu/577f1
Dionisius Gallente Ordem dos Templarios Pax Atlantis	Posted - 2007.07.12 09:59:00 - [42] Yes the drones lands are for sale, 5bil isk into my account will get them delivered to you. Fuel and maintenance expenses are yours to take care with, 5mins warrantee included. _______________________ Originally by: Splagada Edited by: Splagada on 21/06/2007 13:51:39 in eve you can break their windows, take over the house, and throw the children in the fire.
Murina Gallente FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.12 10:53:00 - [43] Edited by: Murina on 12/07/2007 10:56:59 Originally by: Princess Voodoo Originally by: Map Screen Edited by: Map Screen on 11/07/2007 06:41:43 Originally by: Aesic I wouldnt go back if an outpost was given to me. Probably because you guys would end up losing it Or selling it to some future, as in not known at the time, suckers... But, cute and typical troll response! hur hur A MS a few carriers some dreads and buckets full of conventional ships. Oh yes and after those losses about 21 bil was the going price earlier this year as i remember. N1 voodoo Ooooops and a promise not to come back and lay more whoop ass on them for 3 months. Goddamn im still a little confused about who lost that fight every time i remember all this??????.
Minigin Ganja Labs	Posted - 2007.07.12 10:55:00 - [44] i am indeed selling the drone regions. 1 million isk for the whole thing. Im trying to sell before the price drops even more... MINIGIN! now posting in "limegreen"
Orlando Gardner Amarr The Older Gamers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.07.12 23:40:00 - [45] NO... Im selling the Entire drone regions for the princely sum of. an old boot. evemail me for the deeds and titles..(you get to type "All the Drone Regions are belong to ME" in your BIO) don't ask for credit as refusal often offends !
Fitz Chivalry eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.12 23:57:00 - [46] Originally by: Murina Edited by: Murina on 12/07/2007 10:56:59 Originally by: Princess Voodoo Originally by: Map Screen Edited by: Map Screen on 11/07/2007 06:41:43 Originally by: Aesic I wouldnt go back if an outpost was given to me. Probably because you guys would end up losing it Or selling it to some future, as in not known at the time, suckers... But, cute and typical troll response! hur hur A MS a few carriers some dreads and buckets full of conventional ships. Oh yes and after those losses about 21 bil was the going price earlier this year as i remember. N1 voodoo Ooooops and a promise not to come back and lay more whoop ass on them for 3 months. Goddamn im still a little confused about who lost that fight every time i remember all this??????. It was you that lost. And the only decent kills were achieved courtest of MC and 0utbreak. Try again.
Frygok Minmatar Mean Anglo-Danes	Posted - 2007.07.13 00:14:00 - [47] Have you considered that perhaps the Drone Region was not for alliances with 5-600 players, and for smaller alliances or larger corps with, say, 100-200 people? It looks to me that the drone region is not made for alliances with huge industrial backbones and lots of capital ships. You sound like you belong in a more profitable region, and should go there and fight someone. Now, I haven't concerned myself with reading that eleventy billion page thread about drone region, and finding what CCP wants the region to be, but making it somewhat weaker than most other 0.0 regions, they had perhaps hoped that large blob-alliances would not have occupied it, and left it for smaller entities of casual players? Just a thought, anyway. I haven't personally been there, so wouldn't know if the lack of specific ores are deliberate or a bug. The same goes for loot.
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.07.13 00:15:00 - [48] Originally by: Murina Edited by: Murina on 12/07/2007 10:56:59 Originally by: Princess Voodoo Originally by: Map Screen Edited by: Map Screen on 11/07/2007 06:41:43 Originally by: Aesic I wouldnt go back if an outpost was given to me. Probably because you guys would end up losing it Or selling it to some future, as in not known at the time, suckers... But, cute and typical troll response! hur hur A MS a few carriers some dreads and buckets full of conventional ships. Oh yes and after those losses about 21 bil was the going price earlier this year as i remember. N1 voodoo Ooooops and a promise not to come back and lay more whoop ass on them for 3 months. Goddamn im still a little confused about who lost that fight every time i remember all this??????. McCreedy is that you? - Gob Now with 20% extra emo!
Mollernak ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.13 00:46:00 - [49] Originally by: Ventro69 So what if we're all blue to each other and so what if we have sleep-overs and so what if our mom's walk us to school and so what if we have milk and cookies during downtime? Shhhhhhhh don't tell them about the milk and cookies....
Murina Gallente FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.13 00:59:00 - [50] Edited by: Murina on 13/07/2007 01:04:35 Edited by: Murina on 13/07/2007 01:02:25 Edited by: Murina on 13/07/2007 01:00:06 Originally by: Fitz Chivalry Edited by: Fitz Chivalry on 13/07/2007 00:17:26 Originally by: Murina Edited by: Murina on 12/07/2007 10:56:59 Originally by: Princess Voodoo Originally by: Map Screen Edited by: Map Screen on 11/07/2007 06:41:43 Originally by: Aesic I wouldnt go back if an outpost was given to me. Probably because you guys would end up losing it Or selling it to some future, as in not known at the time, suckers... But, cute and typical troll response! hur hur A MS a few carriers some dreads and buckets full of conventional ships. Oh yes and after those losses about 21 bil was the going price earlier this year as i remember. N1 voodoo Ooooops and a promise not to come back and lay more whoop ass on them for 3 months. Goddamn im still a little confused about who lost that fight every time i remember all this??????. It was you that lost. And the only decent kills were achieved courtesy of MC and 0utbreak. Try again. . Ooops hit a nerve me thinks. But i suppose MC did help kill the MS that one night. And lets not forget the night of the DDD. And i know outbreak got a few BS kills although a 20 man sniper squad is hardly somthing that can qualify for a real threat in the war so to say they got all the decent kills is hardly right. Because im sure it was fatal who got all the other capital ship kills. Not a bad achievement for a alliance with only 1 dread and out numbered at least 4-1 most nights. But hey buddy i agree you did win now i think about it. I totaly surrender the fact that you did end up with the outpost. PS. Oh now ive surrendered to you do i get another 21 bil cos i gotta say it was the most profitable and enjoyable loss ever. Or does your second stunning victory need another "pwomise not to come and shoot us pwease for 3 months" pact. Strange you would pay 21 bil and make that a condition to a alliance that lost the war and got no "decent kills"
Murina Gallente FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.13 01:38:00 - [51] Originally by: Frygok Have you considered that perhaps the Drone Region was not for alliances with 5-600 players, and for smaller alliances or larger corps with, say, 100-200 people? It looks to me that the drone region is not made for alliances with huge industrial backbones and lots of capital ships. You sound like you belong in a more profitable region, and should go there and fight someone. Now, I haven't concerned myself with reading that eleventy billion page thread about drone region, and finding what CCP wants the region to be, but making it somewhat weaker than most other 0.0 regions, they had perhaps hoped that large blob-alliances would not have occupied it, and left it for smaller entities of casual players? Just a thought, anyway. I haven't personally been there, so wouldn't know if the lack of specific ores are deliberate or a bug. The same goes for loot. M8 it started as a lot of smaller alliances and looked like there would be a lot of small gang pew pew with no blob fests. So in other words a stunning area with loads of fun. But it turned into a big ex ASCN nap area whether by design or just coincedance. So unless you are a big enough of a alliance to out blob the main nap leaders or are willing to nap everybody in the area including i believe ra/goon then its realy only worth going in there for a gank. It seems to me the larger alliances decided that after seeing what happened to them before it was safer to split up into smaller alliances to avoid attention while keeping what they proly consider to be a united front. Unfortunatly as far as i can tell the weaknesses of the past are even more pronounced than they were before. Due to the fact that although the area is napped it lacks the cohesion of a single named alliance. With a setup like they have it is to easy for a member alliance to stay neutral in a war until its over if their is doubt who will win and save their systems. From what ive seen if a suffecient force in numbers decided to attack the area most of the smaller alliances would perhaps not engage and proly join the new big boys on the block after the victory. As far as the area its self is concerned suppose its ok for carebear alliances and corps cos of the production potential the extra mins give from the alloys. But depending where your based it can be a long way to find anything to shoot at that is not blue or is not an alt of a blue.
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.07.13 01:48:00 - [52] Originally by: Murina Oh now ive surrendered to you do i get another 21 bil cos i gotta say it was the most profitable and enjoyable loss ever. Or does your second stunning victory need another "pwomise not to come and shoot us pwease for 3 months" pact. Strange you would pay 21 bil and make that a condition to a alliance that lost the war and got no "decent kills" Not sure what you are on about but we (IVC) paid you nothing. I also dont understand your forum posture, you are typing like you have to prove something to somebody... what is your problem? Please share with us, the coad comunity cares and is here to help you m8tey - Gob Now with 20% extra emo!
Murina Gallente FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.13 03:43:00 - [53] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Not sure what you are on about but we (IVC) paid you nothing. I also dont understand your forum posture, you are typing like you have to prove something to somebody... what is your problem? Please share with us, the coad comunity cares and is here to help you m8tey - Gob I suppose im a kinda if your gonna give it out then don't complain if its thrown back at ya kinda guy. But anyway i was sayin it to Map Screen from Flat Earth Society who ever he is. So i aint got a clur what your lot was pitchin in about unless i realy did touch a nerve. And do all you invictus chappys go on about postures and hidden meanings ffs. I read the last little head bump one of our guys had with you lot and it was explained to me that the phyco babble responces were just a way of patronising and using school yard psycology to avoid an unpleasant truth. Look i never said that you paid us and i never said you did'nt but we did get paid m8 21 bil and the other things i wrote were all true as well. And until fitz and yourself pitched in i wern't even talkin to you. So hows anout you and yours stop with the daft hidden meaning jedi mind trick stuff and take the wind up as a responce to a wind up.
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.07.13 10:11:00 - [54] Originally by: Murina and chill. Irony. - Gob Now with 20% extra emo!
Murina Gallente FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.13 10:22:00 - [55] Well? Who is MCcreedy?
Gunship Amarr FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.13 12:33:00 - [56] The drone regions has there place in eve as something different from the rest. I don't think CCP should make it the same as the rest. Its a great place for new alliances to dip there feet in 0.0, just join the naps with the rest and your good to go with very limited pirate activity. Perhaps a little boring for the more PvP minded, but nice and plesent for the casual carebear. If you don't like the smell in the kitchen... perhaps move to where you think it's much better, Delve perhaps? I hear the local carry guns... So you want to join us?
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.13 12:40:00 - [57] I am really curious to know how the political landscape is back there ate drone regions. Long tiem since I left them. So its really only a single happy neighborhood? Or at leats there is 1 or 2 blocks leaded by different alliances? If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Murina Gallente FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.13 13:02:00 - [58] Yup its all kinda fluffy up there now. With gentle elavator music playing and the hum of mining lazers to send all there to the arms of morpheaus. Hmm it maybe worth sending a cloaker out there to check for capital ship building cos its a prime spot for it. And it was 22 bil hehe and you will never guess who paid us roflmao anybody wanna see some wallet logs?.
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.07.13 13:23:00 - [59] Originally by: Murina Yup its all kinda fluffy up there now. With gentle elavator music playing and the hum of mining lazers to send all there to the arms of morpheaus. Hmm it maybe worth sending a cloaker out there to check for capital ship building cos its a prime spot for it. And it was 22 bil hehe and you will never guess who paid us roflmao anybody wanna see some wallet logs?. Yes I would. ------------------------------------------------ Murphy's Golden Rule: Whoever has the gold, makes the rules.
Murina Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2007.07.13 21:16:00 - [60] Originally by: Malachon Draco Originally by: Murina Yup its all kinda fluffy up there now. With gentle elavator music playing and the hum of mining lazers to send all there to the arms of morpheaus. Hmm it maybe worth sending a cloaker out there to check for capital ship building cos its a prime spot for it. And it was 22 bil hehe and you will never guess who paid us roflmao anybody wanna see some wallet logs?. Yes I would. Ok spoke to gunny and he says unfortunatly the wallet logs don't go back that far but he says the chappy was called virtuoso or summat like that from invictus. Dunno if that rings a bell or if i got the spelling of the name exactly right but he is definate he was an invictus chappy and name was vertuoso or a near spelling to that. Sounds like that long winded chappy from the other thread to me but you will know better than i who has that sort of cash or authority in your alliance to pay out 22 bil. gunship is a well known fella in eve so just ask if you need more info about this and il mention it to him.
Fitz Chivalry eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.13 21:34:00 - [61] shrugs All I know is I got a lot of kills across a few toons (including 0utbreak's ceo w00t), lost a couple of ships, had a laugh and got access to a station at a time when you could make insane isk as a corp in a short amount of time. If you want to view that as a huge disaster so be it.
Murina Gallente The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.13 21:45:00 - [62] Edited by: Murina on 13/07/2007 21:46:44 Edited by: Murina on 13/07/2007 21:45:19 Originally by: Fitz Chivalry shrugs All I know is I got a lot of kills across a few toons (including 0utbreak's ceo w00t), lost a couple of ships, had a laugh and got access to a station at a time when you could make insane isk as a corp in a short amount of time. If you want to view that as a huge disaster so be it. Comon bud i never sais it was a disaster just a pleasant time for fatal cos we are a pvp corp pure and simple and to get all those kills and then get a big payout for a outpost that tbh with 1 dread and about 1/8 th of your conventional numbers at the time we could never have held anyway was a perfect end to a lovely fight. Especialy seeing as zid was at about 1k when we left.
Fitz Chivalry eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.13 21:54:00 - [63] Originally by: Murina Edited by: Murina on 13/07/2007 21:46:44 Edited by: Murina on 13/07/2007 21:45:19 Originally by: Fitz Chivalry shrugs All I know is I got a lot of kills across a few toons (including 0utbreak's ceo w00t), lost a couple of ships, had a laugh and got access to a station at a time when you could make insane isk as a corp in a short amount of time. If you want to view that as a huge disaster so be it. Comon bud i never sais it was a disaster just a pleasant time for fatal cos we are a pvp corp pure and simple and to get all those kills and then get a big payout for a outpost that tbh with 1 dread and about 1/8 th of your conventional numbers at the time we could never have held anyway was a perfect end to a lovely fight. Especialy seeing as zid was at about 1k when we left. Fair enough. Just curious, how much did the MC contract cost?
Murina Gallente The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.13 22:06:00 - [64] I remember it was bargin basement cos of the chance of a MS kill and cos it was a one night deal plus a lot of us is buds to the guys in MC but id need to ask to know exactly. Il edit when the chappy with the figure is on and if he remembers.
Noluck Ned FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.13 22:11:00 - [65] Hi Fitz We also kept our promise not to come back to gank you for 3 months after the sale, and we kept it despite a vocal minority that wanted to run gangs in there every day. I remember ym- as some amazing fleet battles and some knock down drag out slugfests around every POS. As for MC they sadly had to leave after the first night to defend their home vs AAA. Profesionals that they are, the contract fee was refunded on the basis of them being unable to fulfil our wishes at that time. This was fully understandable considering their home too was under threat. Anyway the upshot of you guys buying it out in the end was that we were able to re-imburse all of the members who had invested personal funds in the building of the outpost. Considering that we had put it up a week before you guys attacked us I take my hat off to our logistics team who managed to have eleven fully armed deathstars up and running in the short time they had. As you remember we still had majority coverage at the time ceasefire was called. In short: no hard feelings. It was a fantastic learning experience and I had a ball personally. It was a trial by fire for our fledgling alliance and I feel we all came out of it stronger and better prepeared than when we went in. I salute all I flew with and against in that confrontation.
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.07.14 00:03:00 - [66] Originally by: Murina Originally by: Malachon Draco Originally by: Murina Yup its all kinda fluffy up there now. With gentle elavator music playing and the hum of mining lazers to send all there to the arms of morpheaus. Hmm it maybe worth sending a cloaker out there to check for capital ship building cos its a prime spot for it. And it was 22 bil hehe and you will never guess who paid us roflmao anybody wanna see some wallet logs?. Yes I would. Ok spoke to gunny and he says unfortunatly the wallet logs don't go back that far but he says the chappy was called virtuoso or summat like that from invictus. Dunno if that rings a bell or if i got the spelling of the name exactly right but he is definate he was an invictus chappy and name was vertuoso or a near spelling to that. Sounds like that long winded chappy from the other thread to me but you will know better than i who has that sort of cash or authority in your alliance to pay out 22 bil. gunship is a well known fella in eve so just ask if you need more info about this and il mention it to him. Virt says he paid you nothing, do you have any evidence apart from the word of your CEO? - Gob Now with 20% extra emo!
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.07.14 00:16:00 - [67] Since it's now out in the open I might as well disclose it in full. An agreement was made between Rule of Three and Ka Tet that we could not safely allow Fatal Alliance to build up in the area they had deployed an outpost. With LV set to fall, and our intelligence indicating the alliance would fold up we felt that Fatal space would be the launch pad for a BoB/LV friendly invasion of the New Regions. Up until this point it had been RULE and Ka Tet policy to remove any threat of this kind. The thing that sealed it was seeing a BoB office in the station. We considered some options on who was to move in. Virtuozo and Helen had plans to invade and take space in the new regions. I tied them up with our plans and we made an agreement to jointly remove Fatal and place Invictus in their place. So, we all went and attacked Fatal. Fatal put up an impressive resistance. Their space was located some distance away from ours. Close enough that they may expand and envelop our neighbours, but far enough so that it wasn't just a few jumps away. We wanted a fast campaign. Ka Tet wanted to be free to assist against BoB/LV should it be required, RULE had not had a real peace and desperately wanted one to build up and prepare for the BoB threat on the north. 0utbreak assistance was not expected. We did expect some BoB or LV assistance, which is why we were hoping for a fast campaign. Initially things went well, Fatal were fantastic fun to fight against. It wasn't the case that we were fighting disorganised nubs in battlecruisers. We were up against experienced organised players, in gangs led by competent FCs with the SPs to back. Before 0utbreak came to assist I do not know what state the towers were in. To the best of my memory we had several enemy towers in reinforced. I think we may already have destroyed the (3?) towers we had taken down at that point. In any case by the time 0utbreak came we had exhausted Fatals supply of fighters and battleships to some degree. They were heading to empire for new supplies, and we were reasonably effective in locking down access, which had the knock on effect of reducing their effective numbers, which enabled us to deploy capital fleets. LV were running roaming gangs to harass our supply lines - I do not know if this was to assist Fatal, or for the kills. I suspect they felt it was nice to assist Fatal, but they were doing it for the kills. Our intel indicated that the LV leadership were not looking to bail Fatal out. Fatal had left the fold, they should not expect to enjoy the full protection of it. When 0utbreak arrived things changed, 0utbreak bolstered the fleets that Fatal were still fielding - at no point were Fatal lying down or giving up it's fair to point out. 0utbreak were dispensing lessons on how to hit and fade using T2 snipers, very fast interdictors against superior numbers. The fleets were were fielding were vastly superior in numbers, but not quite so superior in long range firepower. At this point the campaign had gone on for I believe around 2 weeks. It was pretty clear which direction it was heading. There was no way that Fatal could destroy any Invictus POSs, and while our progress was not as fast as we would like we were still making progress. RULE is able to field a capital fleet outside of standard timezones, which was helping us, particularly as 0utbreak (at that point anyway, not sure about now) numbers seemed to be mainly UK evenings. Then the bombshell hit - screengrabs from MCs forums on the contract that was accepted to wipe out our capital fleets, and repel us from Fatals home. We decided that fielding capitals with MCs megafleet waiting would be folly. Helen was having fun with the Aeon, and bravely perhaps too bravely was trying to pop people and got killed. At the end of the day though there's no point having the toys if you don't use them, and STKs impressive industrial might is such that they can afford to both field and lose motherships. More to follow. Galaxian Recruitment Info
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.07.14 00:22:00 - [68] Our intel was not able to indicate if MC were going to stay or not. The shaky intel we had indicated that most of their capital fleet had gone back to MC land to fight the AAA invasion fleets, however a significant number was held back to strike us if we brought out our capital fleets. The situation at this point was that without propping up Fatal were going to eventually fail. We would still lose more capitals (I believe we had lost 5-8, excluding the Aeon by this point). Fatal were prepared to conceed that they would eventually lose. RULE/Ka-Tet/Invictus wanted an end to the situation. Gunship, Virtuozo and I made an agreement, if memory serves I think this was on my vent server. The terms of the agreement were to be confidential. The basics of the agreement were that Fatal were going to lose, but if the war was stopped at this point then RULE/Ka Tet/Invictus would lose less ships and save time, and Fatal would get their assets out. Fatal were not to accept the agreement and then come right back. I don't think there was any issue with roaming gangs - both Fatal and my side greatly enjoyed fighting each other and viewed each other as worthy opponents (well I can't speak for Fatal on their views of us really). The point was that it wasn't just an agreement that would see the inevitable happen and then Fatal reappear with the MC again when they had finished in Period Basis and retake it. Galaxian Recruitment Info
Akov Stohs FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.14 01:22:00 - [69] Edited by: Akov Stohs on 14/07/2007 01:22:12 When Helen lost his ship, You had destroyed 3 Towers, one of which was a small pos that was replaced with a large by us and managed to put up two of your own Large. 10 Other Large Pos belonged to fatal in system. None of which were in reinforced. This was at end of week 2 of the siege. The First Non Fatal pos went up towards the middle of the 2nd week. Some time in the following week, the agreement was made. The agreement was that we were not to enter the drone regions for 3 months, we received X amount of isk, which the precise amount is unknown to me personally, but It did pay more then 20 Billion isk back to those that had given isk to the outpost project. On a personal level I enjoyed every moment of it, and felt entertained the entire time. Fighting horrendously out numbered was actually entertaining. Doing things like fighter bombing in a shuttle kept me laughing for days....especially since we got multiple kills several nights in a row using the shuttles. I enjoyed having one hell of a battle, and then kicking back and chatting about the craziness with pilots from rule. The lag was bad at times, but at least it was playable. Never forget the battle where one of my ships sustained 200k+ of damage and didn't die. Thank you capital remote reps! It was fun, we fought very very hard, we killed a lot of caps, a ton of BS, and generally enjoyed the entire ordeal. Having people trying to mock that experience is silly. Every one knows what happened, its fairly worthless to deny it. edit: typo my sig is too big
Murina Gallente The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.14 01:30:00 - [70] Id say that was a pretty accurate version of what actualy happened although i doubt and it hardly matters now that we had split from the bob/lv war and only got them involved as a last ditch defence option to deal with your cap fleet. As far as fatal members are concerned the isk payment was a well known fact because it was used to repay myself and other members for our contributions to build the outpost. And also a well talked about subject by many others due to the nature and numbers stacked against us. And if it was kept confidential as you say from members of invictus or any of the other members of your coalition for whatever reason i do apologise for letting the cat out of the bag. And as far as proof is concerned as i said wallet logs only go back so far apparantly. So unless sombody knows how to retrieve the information it is all down to whether ppl trust mine and gunships word. But as a member of fatal has just mentioned to me, the fact is we know the truth, you know the truth and if others choose for what ever reason weather it be embaressment or pride to hide or claim other wise then i suppose that is the way things go.
Xenny Lee Minmatar Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.14 02:06:00 - [71] I mean no disrespect to all the "drone" entities, but the drone regions basically screwed over all the crokyte and ochre holding regions in MASS favor of those that had significant amounts of bistot and or ark. So while they do have a legitimate complaint for going back on that and not given a real alternative yet, but restoring the Zyd drop is basically making alot of angry 0.0 miners.
Sebo Darrens FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.14 05:02:00 - [72] I had a ton of fun in the fight for YM-, and its good to hear the perspective from the other side. You guys did lose a fair number of capital ships, but then you had a lot more of them on the line, and we had the defensive advantage. A few of the best fights of my eve career were in YM- in that war.. also some of the most thrilling probe-ganks, which finally got you guys not to log off or safespot in our system (hah!) As far as outside help/motives, BoB never had plans for the drone region AFAIK, LV wasn't coming to help (the DD was just for the kills) and outbreak saw a big fight and picked the smaller side on their own - something they do a lot.. and yeah, without the MC/outbreak capitals that one night, Helen wouldn't have died - but don't discount our presence and logistics in that fight. I think it was a great time and a great experience in eve - not sure why this thread sparked some smack about it, but yeah.. those of us who were there, on both sides, knew how fun it was and nobody came out really losing. As for the drone regions? Yeah I guess the mineral loot they drop isn't bad, even after the zyd crash.. but such a pain in the ass to deal with.. and a lot of naps make it sorta meh, but that isn't the region, just the inhabitants
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.14 16:25:00 - [73] YM- As a FC in FATAL REVALATIONS at the time i will say that it was a place where most of us will never forget. Even now there is a bond with members who were there that goes past even the normal corp boundries that exist in a normal alliance. Most days we were outnumbered 4 or 5-1 and in the evenings by far more. And our dread fleet if i remember correctly consisted of 1 compared to 20+ as i recal. So consiser the fact that apart from 1 night with MC, a quick DDD from chow and a 20 man sniper squad from outbreak we were totaly alone. Now if you read most threads about the wars at the moment most attackers get a system in less than a week. Having huge 2-400 man per fleet battles just like the fights you see now on the forums FATAL held the system for two weeks against a vastly more numerous foe with at our most numerous 100 ppl including alts. Getting quite a few capital kills with no real dread fleet and countless conventional ship kills. Most of us knew that when we saw the forces stacked against us and the number of capital ships that either we needed big help or we were gonna lose. We decided even after MC had to go to save their own systems that we would go down fighting and hurting the aggressors as much as possable. At the end we were at some points using shuttles to ftr drone bomb hostiles and when the call came for a cessation of hostilitys there was not one of us who wanted it. The aggrement was that the station was theirs, we would stop killing their ships and we would not come back for 3 months for this we would recieve 22 billion isk and safe passage for all our ships for one week. A grace period that all hostile partys honored even invictus this time. There is not one FATAL member that fought in YM- that is not proud of how amazingly we did and our feelings are strong when it comes to any disrespect or attempt to lessen or cheapen what many of us consider the greatest example of what we can acheive. Now although it seems that quite a few of invictus members are honest ppl and have conviction in there decisions there are still a few who do not. After the last load of bull we got from a few of their members about another issue i am hardly supprised at the fact "virt" as he is refered to says he denies any payment being made. It seems that the rot starts at the top and i have even more respect for the members of invictus who retain there honesty and conviction under the circumstances. If you are so embaressed about doing somthing that you have to either hide it from your members and or deny it at a later date perhaps you should not do it in the first place. Conviction whether right or wrong is by far more respected than deciet.

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