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C601	Posted - 2007.07.10 17:44:00 - [1] Edited by: C601 on 10/07/2007 17:44:56 I think I did everything by the book. To get away from lag, missions and Jita, selected a 0.0 corp that I was interested in joining, leave high-sec for good. Max out my skills for a specific ship I wanted to use for pvping with - Check Completed the Eve/University pvp courses, understand tactics etc.. - Check Spent months on the Test server fine tuning my ship, pvping with other people, using what I had learned over the last few months, and applying it to whatever I was fighting. Over the weekend and yesterday, had my first taste, of large scale pvping. But yesterday was the final straw, rather then go into a long story, saw my 300mil ship outside the station taking damage until it blew up from a battle 30 AUs away that I was not apart of, the only ships around me at the time where blue, nothing was targeting me. 240 in local, could not even dock at the station or move my ship in any direction and not been able to do nothing to get my ship out of harms way. Lots of people in local where having the same issue's as me. Also not to mention the 5hrs of warping here and there waiting for instructions from the FC in charge. Just a complete waste of time, all for nothing. Looking at my logs 2007.07.09 22:29:06 ] (notify) Requested to dock at XXX [ 2007.07.09 22:29:06 ] (notify) Setting course to docking perimeter > [ 2007.07.09 22:39:49 ] (notify) Docking operation already in progress.<br>Estimated time left: 27 seconds. [ 2007.07.09 22:39:50 ] (notify) Setting course to docking perimeter [ 2007.07.09 22:39:52 ] (notify) Requested to dock at XXXX [ 2007.07.09 22:39:52 ] (notify) Setting course to docking perimeter 2007.07.09 22:49:28 ] (notify) Requested to dock at XXXX [ 2007.07.09 22:49:28 ] (notify) Your docking request has been accepted. Your ship will be towed into station. After this is when I got blown up. If this is the best it gets CCP then I have wasted 11 months playing this game, I don't care about the loss of the ship, I can always replace it. Afterwards speaking to corp mates most lost there ship in the same way I did. I should of known better to log out, but I was hoping things would get better, and wanted to help my corp out and not leave them behind. They told me even though that I warped out and seeing my ship at the station, reason why I could not dock was b/c the server was still seeing my ship at the battle, hence de-sync. So CCP I ask the question that has been ask time and time again, what is going to be done about this problem, I have not spend hrs upon hrs playing this game earning my isk the right way only to lose a ship in a way I have no control over. The lag was heavy, the De-sync was so bad most ppl lost there ship in the same way I did. I'm not whining about it, but I think I have a right to know, if this is the best its going to get, then like so many other people, I'll move on to other PC game, where I do not have these issues. While no PC game is perfect, there are a lot that don't have issues like this. I read and bought into the Need for speed was actually going to work and improve game play, but from what I saw yesterday and over the weekend, you have along way to go, you keep on piling on the amount of players into this game, but when battles over the weekend take place its nothing more then just a lag fest. So where do I go from here, lose more ships or go back to highsec and be faced with the same problem that I got the impression did not happen in 0.0 Yep, I know its another thread about a problem some of you know what I'm talking about, to the care bears who are considering joining a large 0.0 corp, just remember unless CCP does something major about it, your only going to see the same thing I've seen over the weekend, and see all your hard earned ships and fittings go down the drain. I await a honest reply.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.10 17:49:00 - [2] Edited by: MotherMoon on 10/07/2007 17:49:13 why aren't you petitioning this? this is not dev talk forums this is just general if you want to talk to a dev petition it and forward to a senor GM you can't just post this on the forums you get nothing done. did you open up your logger? it's right next to the exe file for eve this records everything your clinet is doing and reports problems. just submit this log file and you're set free ship ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
Lady Natacha Minmatar Water and Power	Posted - 2007.07.10 17:50:00 - [3] Edited by: Lady Natacha on 10/07/2007 17:53:31 Just like PVP lag and desync are now non-consensual and are not just limited to Jita or fleet combat anymore. Doesn't seem to matter where you live, it is going to find you. CCP knows it is a problem, but most of the people who can do something about it are on vacation at the moment most likely.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.10 17:51:00 - [4] You got "Docking Request Accepted"? That means if you petition, you'll get your ship back. 23 Member EVE Video makers: save EVE-files bandwidth! Use the H.264 AutoEncoder!
Seeing EyeDog	Posted - 2007.07.10 18:11:00 - [5] Originally by: C601 I'll move on to other PC game, can i have your stuff?
Mari Onette Amarr Gottland Production Transport Mines	Posted - 2007.07.10 18:23:00 - [6] Originally by: Dark Shikari You got "Docking Request Accepted"? That means if you petition, you'll get your ship back. not necessarily. Only if it says so on the server logs. Personal logs don't mean anything because they are on the client side and can easily be faked by us evil lying players. ------ I am in blood! Stepp'd in so far that, should I wade no more, it would be as tedious as going over. -MacBeth
Vorketh Mordanil Amarr Brotherhood of Acquisitions	Posted - 2007.07.10 18:36:00 - [7] This happened to me last night... I was chilling at a planet because I knew a couple guys were trying to hunt me down in my Geddon. I scanned the area and noticed a Buzzard for a brief moment, I grinned and sat tight... ten minutes later, I get bored, so I start to warp off. My timing was awfully inconvenient for my hunters, because the Buzzard decided to uncloak and lock me down so his buddies could get there... unfortunately for him, I was trying to lose my Geddon last night for the insurance payout (I was broke, and I've long since decided I'm not interested in flying Battleships... just happened to have this thing and the insurance was expiring soon). I had fitted it with spare modules I had sitting around, and I quickly decimated the Buzzard... so I warp off... and this is where things go weird. I know that my client thought I was warping - I got the warp sound, and I got the message that says "You cannot do that while warping" or whatever - indicating that it had shut off my MWD. THEN I get a message saying so and so is trying to warp scramble you. THEN two Domi's show up. I had noticed the whole time after the Buzzard died that my drones were said they were fighting, but I couldn't see what they were hitting. Naturally, I was dead in the water, right where I wanted to be... it's a shame that the desynching caused me to get podded too, even through spamming the warp button constantly... same order of events - it says I'm warping, I hear the sound, then the message that I'm being scrambled, then pop. Fortunately, I don't equip any expensive implants... I'm patient enough, and poor enough. And also fortunately, the Buzzard lost his Cov Ops cloak, so they lost much more than me counting my insurance payout... but the desynch was obvious, and I really sympathize with the OP. Ultimately, the Devs are aware of this issue, and they have been for some time. It is a shame that this hasn't been fixed by now, as it is game breaking at times. Unfortunately I do not run the logger all the time that I play. Maybe I should, but I don't see where it's the end user's responsibility. If this were beta testing, that's different. But I don't pay to test, I pay to play. I'm not going anywhere, so no, you can't have my stuff. Just an anecdote to indicate that I know first hand where all this is coming from, and that I believe this should be top priority for CCP, and that we, the paying public, should be kept apprised as to the status of the resolution, no matter how conviluted or distant it may be. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Aaron Mirrorsaver The Coalition Of Buccaneers	Posted - 2007.07.10 18:47:00 - [8] when did these desync issues start? And are they different to the normal fleet battle lag? Am I to understand that fleet battle lag is much preferable? as in it is just module lag, but where as with desync your at a complete different place on your client than where the server has you at. -- greater love hath no man than this; that a man lay down is life for his friends.
Vorketh Mordanil Amarr Brotherhood of Acquisitions	Posted - 2007.07.10 18:52:00 - [9] Originally by: Aaron Mirrorsaver when did these desync issues start? And are they different to the normal fleet battle lag? Am I to understand that fleet battle lag is much preferable? as in it is just module lag, but where as with desync your at a complete different place on your client than where the server has you at. That's right. They occurred rarely prior to Rev II, but the number seems to have grown since. Basically, when you issue a command, like warp away, it's initiated in the client. The client then tells the server that you want to do that. The server determines whether you are capable. If you are, the server says so - your client responds by doing it. Your client is then supposed to tell the server that it happened... that's where the problem is. I'm not certain myself if it's a client or server problem, but either way, that last communication isn't happening properly, and the server doesn't register the success of the action. Thus, your client moves on, and the server still shows (and thus reports to everyone else) your old location. Very different animal. Hopefully it will go extinct soon. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Warrio Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.10 19:05:00 - [10] Hi and welcome to the internet. While you were out we reached the year 2000. There are no flying cars, no meals in the form of pills and the internet is still affected by silly things like physics and time. I'm sure someday we'll iron out these bugs however I shant think it will be in the next week or so. Can I have your stuff? Kind regards Me Sig removed due to being too freaking awsome. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Deckard Cain
I SoStoned	Posted - 2007.07.10 19:56:00 - [11] Originally by: C601 about this problem, I have not spend hrs upon hrs playing this game earning my isk the right way only to lose a ship in a way I have no control over. The lag was heavy, the De-sync was so bad most ppl lost there ship in the same way I did. I sympathize 100%. Loosing a ship is problematic but not terribly so, they're replacable. Even the damned clone is replacable. Getting totally slammed by desync and unable to do anything other than sit there and watch your ship get blown up is a complete and royal pain in the ass. SItuation: 5 ship group, large bubble (not ours) near a gate. Target jumps in, FC says: get it! We set our ships to orbit and smack our MWDs to approach. As soon as the ship reaches it's orbit range and begins to circle... everyone gets locked out. Modules activated won't deactivate (MWD), ships take damage without ever being targeted. Double-clicking in space accomplishes nothing. Trying to jump if a lucky orbit passes near the gate accomplishes not even an 'denied due to aggression' popup. All 5 pilots petition. GM response: Nothing appeared out of the ordinary on our end, so no replacements. BULLSH*T. 5 pilots from different countries (Euro & US) get the same bug at the same moment and GM's say: Nothing was wrong? It is obvious that CCP's server logs offer then not a whit more information than our own logs do on our client end. Or the GMs just don't care since we're not their personal friends, or blew their alts up, or some other crap. Or we're not in BoB.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.07.10 19:59:00 - [12] I do remember this post from yesterday, related to the Desyncs: Originally by: CCP Sharkbait run logserver and get me a logfile please. people are complaining about these desync issues, but i've not been able to reproduce this and no one has helped by getting me a logfile of the event. the sooner we get a nice logfile, the sooner we can hopefully find the issue.
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.07.10 20:01:00 - [13] Originally by: I SoStoned It is obvious that CCP's server logs offer then not a whit more information than our own logs do on our client end. Or the GMs just don't care since we're not their personal friends, or blew their alts up, or some other crap. Or we're not in BoB. I encourage you to leave EVE if you're so dissatisfied, and subsequently require your personal goods. ------------ LAG - Hopefully teen-appropriate now. IBTL! IBDS/DC! IBTC! 1st in a BoB post! And other such forum tom-foolery.
I SoStoned	Posted - 2007.07.10 20:01:00 - [14] Originally by: An Anarchyyt I do remember this post from yesterday, related to the Desyncs: Originally by: CCP Sharkbait run logserver and get me a logfile please. people are complaining about these desync issues, but i've not been able to reproduce this and no one has helped by getting me a logfile of the event. the sooner we get a nice logfile, the sooner we can hopefully find the issue. Okay... how do we get a logfile of an event that has already happened?. And will they even accept it, as it came from the client and not their blind-as-cave-fish logs?
An Anarchyyt Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.07.10 20:03:00 - [15] Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 10/07/2007 20:03:54 Originally by: I SoStoned Originally by: An Anarchyyt I do remember this post from yesterday, related to the Desyncs: Originally by: CCP Sharkbait run logserver and get me a logfile please. people are complaining about these desync issues, but i've not been able to reproduce this and no one has helped by getting me a logfile of the event. the sooner we get a nice logfile, the sooner we can hopefully find the issue. Okay... how do we get a logfile of an event that has already happened?. And will they even accept it, as it came from the client and not their blind-as-cave-fish logs? Bug Reporting Help: Log Files
Judas Lonestar Ganja Labs Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.10 20:11:00 - [16] Is it a problem? Yes. Should CCP address it? Yes. Should YOUR logs (Client side) be valid proof? Yes. But for that extra "just in case" I advise you to look in the upper right region of your keyboard. See the little key called "Print Screen"? Hard to deny photographic proof that your client said one thing and the server said another. That said, I've had good luck with my petition. I've only had to open 1 though so CCP/Devs/Staff are very much on my good side after giving my ship back.
MrTripps Gallente	Posted - 2007.07.10 20:12:00 - [17] Edited by: MrTripps on 10/07/2007 20:13:32 Complaining on forums does not help. Filing a detailed bug report does. A dev has already responded to this in another thread. They are looking into it, but with seemingly random events and tons of variables finding the offending code to fix isn't easy. And FFS knock off the Bob Alt silliness. "Life is nothing but a competition to be the criminal rather than the victim." - Bertrand Russell
SmackTalker	Posted - 2007.07.10 21:24:00 - [18] Originally by: Judas Lonestar Is it a problem? Yes. Should CCP address it? Yes. Should YOUR logs (Client side) be valid proof? Yes. Unfortunately: A: Our logfiles don't show anything out of the ordinary B: THEIR logfiles clearly don't show anything out of the ordinary, if they record anything at all. Originally by: Judas Lonestar But for that extra "just in case" I advise you to look in the upper right region of your keyboard. See the little key called "Print Screen"? Hard to deny photographic proof that your client said one thing and the server said another. C: Screenshots & client logfiles are not admissable as evidence in a petition. Originally by: Judas Lonestar That said, I've had good luck with my petition. I've only had to open 1 though so CCP/Devs/Staff are very much on my good side after giving my ship back. Of the last two ships I've lost both have been due to desync/lag & commands not being accepted (or even logged). Both times the GM's pretty much said their logs recorded nothing (of course) and the highly detailed bug information was unable to reproduce the error (obviously - sisi's load is far lower and it's sync rate near perfect even in FFA areas). So, GM's response: F* you, STFU & Go away.
0ss0 Minmatar 132nd Thukker Brigade FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2007.07.11 00:08:00 - [19] simply petition and get your ship back, mine took 2 days with exact same circumstances. FOUNDATION Kill Board
C601	Posted - 2007.07.12 04:34:00 - [20] Well you would think.... my reply was the same o'le copy and paste excuse. "We are sorry to hear about your ship loss. Unfortunately we are unable to reimburse the ship as our server-side logs do not indicate that a bug/error within the game or a server related problem was the reason for your loss" I even took pictures, but tbh can't be bothered replying or forwarding them. Just remember carebears you get into 0.0/ fleet battle you can expect replys like this. Whoever was the GM probably did not spend the time to look into it further. Probably can't be arsed or RED to me, at the end of the day you will never know.
Sm0kE	Posted - 2007.07.12 04:53:00 - [21] Originally by: Judas Lonestar But for that extra "just in case" I advise you to look in the upper right region of your keyboard. See the little key called "Print Screen"? Hard to deny photographic proof that your client said one thing and the server said another. You mean like this? Notice that the planet is 20 something odd AU away. However, for about 5 minutes I sat there trying to warp to it. I did not petition this loss.. I died fair and square (Because I actually saw the fleet target me, tried to warp and... Well wasn't in time ) ------------------------------------------------ Anyone got a good compression tool for EVE sigs?
Manic Smile Tau Ceti Global Production Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.07.12 05:21:00 - [22] Originally by: Judas Lonestar Is it a problem? Yes. Should CCP address it? Yes. Should YOUR logs (Client side) be valid proof? Yes. But for that extra "just in case" I advise you to look in the upper right region of your keyboard. See the little key called "Print Screen"? Hard to deny photographic proof that your client said one thing and the server said another. That said, I've had good luck with my petition. I've only had to open 1 though so CCP/Devs/Staff are very much on my good side after giving my ship back. Haha, you have no idea what you are talking about. I have screens of my drones bugging out...about 10 of them. The GMs server logs show nothing...therefore there is no bug. So no nothing on our end means **** with current CCP policies. If you want to seen the screen shot and the petition information evemail me. *courtesy of www.flickr.com I hate the jpeg format.
Manic Smile Tau Ceti Global Production Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.07.12 05:29:00 - [23] Originally by: Warrio Hi and welcome to the internet. While you were out we reached the year 2000. There are no flying cars, no meals in the form of pills and the internet is still affected by silly things like physics and time. I'm sure someday we'll iron out these bugs however I shant think it will be in the next week or so. Can I have your stuff? Kind regards Me Stuff it tool...this isn't an ISP problem, This is an Eve has a design flaw, bad code, and would rather market Eve TV then fix **...and enough with the too many cooks in the kitchen bull*. FIX GAME BREAKING BUGS >>>>> ADD CONTENT, only have as many customers as you can support, barring all else be transparent with your procedures and focus, simple. Honestly if there was anything remotely comparable in this genre how much of Eve's player base would still be here? courtesy of www.flickr.com I hate the jpeg format.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.07.12 05:58:00 - [24] Will running the log server give enough details to help fix this? --- Originally by: CCP Wrangler You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for.
Bluestealth BlueLabs	Posted - 2007.07.12 06:17:00 - [25] Originally by: Jim McGregor Will running the log server give enough details to help fix this? Most likely its only maybe enough proof to show they have a bug.
Fenren	Posted - 2007.07.12 06:39:00 - [26] a lot of their staff is unfortunatly most likely on wacation right now. unexpected errors is always a pain in the a during summer. Originally by: GM Nova Hello everyone, senior GM Nova here. [...]A month ago we removed 380 billion ISK from the economy. This is not a typo, 380 BILLION ISK[...] We banned well over 100 accounts.
BluOrange Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.07.12 06:48:00 - [27] We had some amusing desynch issues last night - ganked an assualt frigate outside a station, and got a killmail for him, but his ship stayed on the overview afterwards and he was located in the middle of a station structure. His ship was completely inoperable, and we couldn't target him either. Hopefully he petitioned it, like we suggested to him. Recruitment FAQ
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2007.07.12 06:55:00 - [28] Originally by: Lady Natacha CCP knows it is a problem, but most of the people who can do something about it are on vacation at the moment most likely. They get a lot of holidays in their luxury work pod environment. All that munching on gourment sandwiches(tues and thursday) and spinning around in their comfy leather reclining seats gets tiring. SKUNK Originally by: Fink Angel They acted like Mr. Creasote at the all you can eat buffet, and CCP provided the Wafer Theeen Mint.
tartrus Templars of Space Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.12 06:59:00 - [29] Originally by: I SoStoned SItuation: 5 ship group, large bubble (not ours) near a gate. Target jumps in, FC says: get it! We set our ships to orbit and smack our MWDs to approach. As soon as the ship reaches it's orbit range and begins to circle... everyone gets locked out. Modules activated won't deactivate (MWD), ships take damage without ever being targeted. Double-clicking in space accomplishes nothing. Trying to jump if a lucky orbit passes near the gate accomplishes not even an 'denied due to aggression' popup. All 5 pilots petition. GM response: Nothing appeared out of the ordinary on our end, so no replacements. BULLSH*T. 5 pilots from different countries (Euro & US) get the same bug at the same moment and GM's say: Nothing was wrong? It is obvious that CCP's server logs offer then not a whit more information than our own logs do on our client end. Or the GMs just don't care since we're not their personal friends, or blew their alts up, or some other crap. Or we're not in BoB. i had the same prob i lost my claymore to this enemy fleet was warping in we were told to warp out, i clicked warp nothing happend. i died lost me pod . so i petition it i get a responce similar to urs "GM response: Nothing appeared out of the ordinary on our end, so no replacements". he then went on to tell me that hes not calling me a liar but teh rules r if no prob there end his hands r tied and cant do crap. what they need todo is stop introducing stuff that brings more lag and sort the prob....tbh i belive there working day and night to try and sort this prob cus there loosing peeps all teh tiem to it. but it would eb nice if they would tell us there progress. lov the game angry with the dev's... tell us what ya doing pls "HEY! Lee were is that t2 duct tape mate my vaga's in hull"
Entreri Finwe Raptus Regaliter Pride - Honor - Duty	Posted - 2007.07.12 08:26:00 - [30] Edited by: Entreri Finwe on 12/07/2007 08:26:55 Originally by: Manic Smile Originally by: Warrio Hi and welcome to the internet. While you were out we reached the year 2000. There are no flying cars, no meals in the form of pills and the internet is still affected by silly things like physics and time. I'm sure someday we'll iron out these bugs however I shant think it will be in the next week or so. Can I have your stuff? Kind regards Me Stuff it tool...this isn't an ISP problem, This is an Eve has a design flaw, bad code, and would rather market Eve TV then fix **...and enough with the too many cooks in the kitchen bull**. FIX GAME BREAKING BUGS >>>>> ADD CONTENT, only have as many customers as you can support, barring all else be transparent with your procedures and focus, simple. Honestly if there was anything remotely comparable in this genre how much of Eve's player base would still be here? Look. Coders fix bugs. Marketing fix advertising. Content is mostly added by non-coders. Doctors heal people. Buss drivers drives busses. Plumbers fix plumbing. If there was a shortage of doctors, by your solution, we should have plumbers and buss drivers operate sick people... --- I had a cool siggy but it had the wrong corp in it, then my server died :(

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