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Kodos Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.13 13:32:00 - [31] Originally by: Sandslinger The freighter logged off before attackers had entered the system and engaged our fleet Much like a ratter escaping hostile gang and logging off in a safespot rather then spending the next few hours warping between safes to avoid probing In this case with a rapier webbing it for instawarps. as well It's generally accepted practise the timing might have made it seem to you like they logged while still cloaked thus avoiding game mechanics..they didn't is what I was pointing out. Had your capitals came in just slightly faster and the second dictor not got popped and so been able to lay down a second bubble prventing freigther from jumping out you would have caught it by valid gamemechanics. You could have also had the second dictor aggro the freighter as it was there and decloaked thus preventing it logging safely to our luck you didn't. We don't change our tactics to cater for someone potentially logging off on us. We jumped in, I scrambled the freighter and we started killing all the support. It dissapeared well before we would have been able to focus fire on it. It is not "generally accepted practise" to log off a freighter just after it has jumped in.
Lowa Gallente North Star Networks Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.07.13 13:37:00 - [32] There better be fraps from this fight because it sounds frikkin awesome! How was lag/desynch? No one has mentioned it so either that means that everyone excepted it and went on about their day or there was none? Both options sounds very unlikely considering the latest reports on battles esp with caps involved. Anywho, nice reports, keep them coming! Cheers, Lowa What if the truth was something else?
Kodos Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.13 13:41:00 - [33] Lag was minimal and was about 3-4km desynched by end of the fight. Overall a very pleasant fight .
DirtyHarry Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.13 13:41:00 - [34] Edited by: DirtyHarry on 13/07/2007 13:42:10 Originally by: Minigin Originally by: DeathGrip Originally by: Minigin how about you let them make the thread next time? I doubt there will be a thread, i am just showing my respect to a corp that did one hell of a job, you dont like it come pod me :) careful what you wish for. You gonna unleash the astral wolves pvp skill upon him? hush now and be a good boy. edit: and gj to outbreak, living up to corp of the year ^^ Havocide - DirtyHarry
SwindonBadger 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.13 13:51:00 - [35] GF.... alot of folks rate this as of there most enjoyable battles and for onlookers ,... well lets just say for around 35 to 40 mins in that engagement we were all pritty much thinking,, ok so how many can we kill before we all pop. It did not look good. id do a buble run amd try kill a support before fleeing with all those red flashing stuff, everytime I got myself back to 200 K + and start zooming out to look at the big picture ,, that was heart in the mouth stuff. And even after 2 ship losses no hesitation to fly right into the heart of the red sea again.' ' gf gf gf gf gf and sry boss, I have already loosed my pants! just got to say ty to these guys and GF.
Horza Otho Minmatar Infortunatus Eventus Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.07.13 13:53:00 - [36] Originally by: Sandslinger So this wasn't a straightoff logoffski from our point of view, rather a tactical manoeuvre
Castor IV 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.13 13:59:00 - [37] Originally by: Lowa There better be fraps from this fight because it sounds frikkin awesome! How was lag/desynch? No one has mentioned it so either that means that everyone excepted it and went on about their day or there was none? Both options sounds very unlikely considering the latest reports on battles esp with caps involved. Anywho, nice reports, keep them coming! Cheers, Lowa It was Frapsed but it ramains to be seen how good the result is. It was 4 AM here when I got back to station and work was at 9 AM so not much time to look at the result. Awesome fight, so happy I was around for it. GF to all participants.
Ricky Baby 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.13 15:10:00 - [38] Edited by: Ricky Baby on 13/07/2007 15:09:58 whether the freighter logging was either a plain logoffski or a tactical decision to save assets, imo is not the point - while our original aim of taking a freighter down was not met i believe the fight that happened in the next 1 and a half hours more than made up for a freighter kill. for a good portion of the engagement at the safespot outbreak were fighting for survival, our 5 carriers were locked down and we had 5-6 support ship in system at the time with back flowing into the system as it logged on. 3 carrier jumped in close to the end of the fight at which point the remaining CA/sundering forces left the field. good fight to all - the most fun ive had in a while.
nickycakes Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.13 15:49:00 - [39] Originally by: Sandslinger @ Kodos The freighter logged off before attackers had entered the system and engaged our fleet Much like a ratter escaping hostile gang and logging off in a safespot rather then spending the next few hours warping between safes to avoid probing In this case with a rapier webbing it for instawarps. as well It's generally accepted practise the timing might have made it seem to you like they logged while still cloaked thus avoiding game mechanics..they didn't is what I was pointing out. Had your capitals came in just slightly faster and the second dictor not got popped and so been able to lay down a second bubble prventing freigther from jumping out you would have caught it by valid gamemechanics. You could have also had the second dictor aggro the freighter as it was there and decloaked thus preventing it logging safely to our luck you didn't. pathetic. ---
DeathGrip Amarr Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.07.13 15:49:00 - [40] Edited by: DeathGrip on 13/07/2007 15:55:17 Originally by: Milano II DeathGrip, you're just mad because we snip your Zealot in Khabi... anyway Outbreak, excellent fight. Loved it. Did you have to kill my blackbird? I mean, c'mon it was on fire already... I was already dying from the carbon monoxide in the cokpit. Honestly we weren't prepared for PvP at the moment, not for THAT kind of PvP... but.. hey, in EVE, when is anyone ever prepared for anything? Outbreak had the strategy devised much faster, and CA/Sun are just beginning to work closely together. :::Tips hat to outbreak::: Use different terminology - Kreul Intentions You really should think before you type. You killed my zealot 2hrs before this. And if you think any 1 ship can hurt me you are are even more stupid than that comment. Actually you are right, my wallet went from 73bil isk to 72.9bil isk, I am done with, who do I surrender to.
sharkyballs Amarr Dkiller Delta Force Corp. Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.13 15:54:00 - [41] sorry i missed this one but i did log on right after just intime to see deathgrip go POP
DeathGrip Amarr Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.07.13 16:02:00 - [42] Originally by: sharkyballs sorry i missed this one but i did log on right after just intime to see deathgrip go POP So you guys lose outnumbering by 2-1 mabye evne 3-1, and this is all you can brag about. YOu really should ask how many people have killed me. Also I think XirtamVolf your ceo went pop yesterday in a Nice EOS and we got his POD something you FAILED to do even though I jumped into your camp 3 times in my pod after you killed my zealot. Now any other kills you want brag about.
Scavok GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.13 16:07:00 - [43] Edited by: Scavok on 13/07/2007 16:07:32 Originally by: nickycakes Originally by: Sandslinger @ Kodos The freighter logged off before attackers had entered the system and engaged our fleet Much like a ratter escaping hostile gang and logging off in a safespot rather then spending the next few hours warping between safes to avoid probing In this case with a rapier webbing it for instawarps. as well It's generally accepted practise the timing might have made it seem to you like they logged while still cloaked thus avoiding game mechanics..they didn't is what I was pointing out. Had your capitals came in just slightly faster and the second dictor not got popped and so been able to lay down a second bubble prventing freigther from jumping out you would have caught it by valid gamemechanics. You could have also had the second dictor aggro the freighter as it was there and decloaked thus preventing it logging safely to our luck you didn't. pathetic. We chased an LV freighter trying to get to empire for over a week shortly before we gained control of Tenerifis. It took so long because we added him to our buddy list and he would log every time anyone got within 2 jumps of him. Anyway, I would say the vast majority of freighters that I've attempted to kill have logged out at any sign of trouble. It is an extremely common and effective tactic.
sharkyballs Amarr Dkiller Delta Force Corp. Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.13 16:11:00 - [44] Originally by: DeathGrip Originally by: sharkyballs sorry i missed this one but i did log on right after just intime to see deathgrip go POP So you guys lose outnumbering by 2-1 mabye evne 3-1, and this is all you can brag about. YOu really should ask how many people have killed me. Also I think XirtamVolf your ceo went pop yesterday in a Nice EOS and we got his POD something you FAILED to do even though I jumped into your camp 3 times in my pod after you killed my zealot. Now any other kills you want brag about. i just think it's funny cause you seem to be getting so mad about something said in a thread you started that wasn't really any of your business to begin with. i'm not bragging, it's just very humorous.
Waut 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.13 16:13:00 - [45] Edited by: Waut on 13/07/2007 16:13:26 I went out that night and all I got was this lousy hangover Originally by: DeathGrip my wallet went from 73bil isk to 72.9bil isk, I am done with, who do I surrender to. Can I be your friend? In Soviet EVE, roids pop YOU
Prydeless Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.13 16:14:00 - [46] Wish I could've been there, logged on towards the end of the fight but didnt have enough fuel to jump in. You are lucky kbullet my little korean you! Anywho sounded awesome and props to both sides for keeping it that way, except for xirt yelling *&^% $%$#$%^&&$#$### u prydeless why dont u have fuel! GJ guys! Pryde Disclaimer: I am a God.
Bu Jinkan Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.13 16:43:00 - [47] Originally by: Kodos Originally by: Sandslinger The freighter logged off before attackers had entered the system and engaged our fleet Much like a ratter escaping hostile gang and logging off in a safespot rather then spending the next few hours warping between safes to avoid probing In this case with a rapier webbing it for instawarps. as well It's generally accepted practise the timing might have made it seem to you like they logged while still cloaked thus avoiding game mechanics..they didn't is what I was pointing out. Had your capitals came in just slightly faster and the second dictor not got popped and so been able to lay down a second bubble prventing freigther from jumping out you would have caught it by valid gamemechanics. You could have also had the second dictor aggro the freighter as it was there and decloaked thus preventing it logging safely to our luck you didn't. We don't change our tactics to cater for someone potentially logging off on us. We jumped in, I scrambled the freighter and we started killing all the support. It dissapeared well before we would have been able to focus fire on it. It is not "generally accepted practise" to log off a freighter just after it has jumped in. Crying about it won't get you a freighter kill.
Sandslinger Cornerstone Unlimited Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.13 17:07:00 - [48] Edited by: Sandslinger on 13/07/2007 17:09:11 Originally by: Kodos We don't change our tactics to cater for someone potentially logging off on us. We jumped in, I scrambled the freighter and we started killing all the support. It dissapeared well before we would have been able to focus fire on it. It is not "generally accepted practise" to log off a freighter just after it has jumped in. If you read my post you'll see I was under the impression the Freighter was at safe having left the gate by the time the capitals jumped in and logging off and your guys just missed it, not that it had started logging off with you guys in the system while still cloaked otherwise your scrambling it wouldn't have worked If your fraps can show otherwise I stand corrected, and i'll take back everything I said. and offer my apologies. And please don't start using my quote in a siggy as i am NOT condoning loggofski other then when the pilot has clearly already escaped whatever trap/bubble was set to avoid havin to warp round a system for all eternity to avoid probes cuz that gets dull fast
Anope High4Life Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.13 17:32:00 - [49] Before I post this.. lemme remind you im just a noob, so don't know much. But wouldn't any sane person have their freighter log off in such a scenario? It has no fighting ability whatsoever... unless your really big on loosing the 1 bil for the ship, and all the crap you have in its cargohold. IMO logging off the freighter was in no means a cowardly thing.. b/c They logged off the freighter with every intention of engaging OB with their pvpers (I wasn't at the fight... but from what im reading looks like CA/Sun DID engage)
Bearclaww The Ankou The Reckoning.	Posted - 2007.07.13 17:46:00 - [50] Edited by: Bearclaww on 13/07/2007 17:48:05 God why is it that Outbreak can actually get a fight from Curse alliance yet they run and dock every time the Reckoning comes to their systems. Its not like we are better than Outbreak. Ohh and Curse alliance has Capitals...I sense future fun.
Oliver Superior ReGenesis Corporation	Posted - 2007.07.13 18:04:00 - [51] Originally by: Anope Before I post this.. lemme remind you im just a noob, so don't know much. But wouldn't any sane person have their freighter log off in such a scenario? It has no fighting ability whatsoever... unless your really big on loosing the 1 bil for the ship, and all the crap you have in its cargohold. IMO logging off the freighter was in no means a cowardly thing.. b/c They logged off the freighter with every intention of engaging OB with their pvpers (I wasn't at the fight... but from what im reading looks like CA/Sun DID engage) Logging is bad form. It doesn't matter if it's a freighter or a frigate, it is metagaming and considered cowardly.
Bu Jinkan Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.13 18:12:00 - [52] Originally by: Oliver Superior Originally by: Anope Before I post this.. lemme remind you im just a noob, so don't know much. But wouldn't any sane person have their freighter log off in such a scenario? It has no fighting ability whatsoever... unless your really big on loosing the 1 bil for the ship, and all the crap you have in its cargohold. IMO logging off the freighter was in no means a cowardly thing.. b/c They logged off the freighter with every intention of engaging OB with their pvpers (I wasn't at the fight... but from what im reading looks like CA/Sun DID engage) Logging is bad form. It doesn't matter if it's a freighter or a frigate, it is metagaming and considered cowardly. Indeed. I believe that Curse Alliance does not fly with e-honor!
Cupdeez Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.13 18:38:00 - [53] Edited by: Cupdeez on 13/07/2007 18:40:43 outbreak had 7 carriers in system and CA+SUN had 4 carriers and 1 dread that we jumpped in after the 1st fight. We had more support then outbreak but when 7 carriers put 10+ drones on a BS the Battleships melts pretty fast. The isk lost in this fight can't be frigured out since most of the carriers before we jumpped out were down to T2 light drones after about 2-3 waves of fighters were killed off for each carrier and heavy/med T2 drones were also killed. I would estimate we killed 80-100 fighters, 500 heavy T2 drones, and a ton of T2 Med/light ones. I know I killed a ton my self since xirt was called primary like 5 times and had 70+ drones on him. He kept coming to me so I could smartbomb the drones off him. Like someone said we could have pulled out at anytime since all of outbreaks support ships were killed besids a few recon ships 150km out. When you have 7 carriers remote armor repairing each other it makes it very difficult to take one down. At this point we gave up and jumpped all of our capital ships out. This just goes to show that 7 carriers with a ton of drones can support each other very well. It was a good fight and everyone had a blast. The lag was not the best but playable. I was in the fight until we decided to pull out. PS. Kodos was in a carrier no where near our frighter. You guys were 60km off the gate. The BS support you had was 140km off the gate. This is probably why the frighter was not killed. He warpped to a safe spot after he jumpped into the system and logged off.
Cupdeez Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.13 18:52:00 - [54] Edited by: Cupdeez on 13/07/2007 18:59:28 Originally by: Bearclaww Edited by: Bearclaww on 13/07/2007 17:48:05 God why is it that Outbreak can actually get a fight from Curse alliance yet they run and dock every time the Reckoning comes to their systems. Its not like we are better than Outbreak. Ohh and Curse alliance has Capitals...I sense future fun. We would fight you but you guys run 8-10 man gangs with ships that go 5-10k and run at any signs of a gang. I guess that works for you but we like to duke it out old school style. When our gang sizes are about the same size you always jump in the mothership. Plus Outbreak is far better then you guys anyways and they are more fun to fight.
CueBee Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.13 19:03:00 - [55] Edited by: CueBee on 13/07/2007 19:03:46 I showed up at about 9PM EST (stupid three hour nap after I got home from work). Saw some stuff in Alliance chat, hopped into my Abaddon, headed over to the system where the fight was. Warped to the fight, locked onto two BS and a HAC, got ready to do some damage, and... Nothing. Just... nothing. Tried to fire up my lasers, waited... Nothing. After about three minutes of waiting, I got disco'd, and that was that. I'm pretty sad I missed out. Next time, right? :) Edit: And that Mack that goes 9km/s is pretty crazy.
Nypeth	Posted - 2007.07.13 20:22:00 - [56] Originally by: CueBee And that Mack that goes 9km/s is pretty crazy. Mach[ariel] not Mack[inaw] I doubt Outbreak would be pewpewing with Exhumers.
Milano II Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.13 23:33:00 - [57] Edited by: Milano II on 13/07/2007 23:33:08 Hey guys.. I just want to say I'm damn proud to be amongst some of the more honorable PvPers in the Curse Region. 0utbreak is always a good fight, always without the smack, always without dirty tactics. I would hope that 0utbreak feel the same way towards us. And I wanted to thank all pilots for remaining professional on these forums, without playing into DeathGrip's trolling herein. @ DeathGrip, you actually lost the Zealot after this fight. Xirtam got podded in the fight finally and ended up at the gate in 7Q where you popped him. And it's really not that big of a deal... there isn't a pilot in the South that doesn't have one of Xirtam's corpses, is there? @ Reckoning...... I can't say we've ever enjoyed a fight with you guys.... you don't have the ability to play old-school EVE and fight man-on-man... You bring that mothership to 8v8's.... in my opinion, you should be able to win an 8v8 without needing capital support. And mark my words, if you keep using that mothership like that, you're going to lose it sooner, rather than later. I'm not smacking, I'm just telling you how it is. Leave the mothership home, fight us in an even fight and see what happens.
DeathGrip Amarr Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.07.14 02:39:00 - [58] Originally by: Milano II Edited by: Milano II on 13/07/2007 23:33:08 Hey guys.. I just want to say I'm damn proud to be amongst some of the more honorable PvPers in the Curse Region. 0utbreak is always a good fight, always without the smack, always without dirty tactics. I would hope that 0utbreak feel the same way towards us. And I wanted to thank all pilots for remaining professional on these forums, without playing into DeathGrip's trolling herein. @ DeathGrip, you actually lost the Zealot after this fight. Xirtam got podded in the fight finally and ended up at the gate in 7Q where you popped him. And it's really not that big of a deal... there isn't a pilot in the South that doesn't have one of Xirtam's corpses, is there? @ Reckoning...... I can't say we've ever enjoyed a fight with you guys.... you don't have the ability to play old-school EVE and fight man-on-man... You bring that mothership to 8v8's.... in my opinion, you should be able to win an 8v8 without needing capital support. And mark my words, if you keep using that mothership like that, you're going to lose it sooner, rather than later. I'm not smacking, I'm just telling you how it is. Leave the mothership home, fight us in an even fight and see what happens. You should really read entire post. YOU guys are one that mentioned killing my zealot not me. My zealot had nothing to due with this thread until you bragged about killing it. When the same thing that you say applies to xirt applies to me. When in full gear pvp I average 1 ship loss per day. Thats what I do.
Milano II Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.14 03:03:00 - [59] Death, I am reading your posts: "You killed my zealot 2hrs before this." I was telling you... no, we killed it about an hour after that.
DeathGrip Amarr Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.07.14 03:26:00 - [60] Originally by: Milano II Death, I am reading your posts: "You killed my zealot 2hrs before this." I was telling you... no, we killed it about an hour after that. Yea sorry I didn't read your post enough. Either way it had nothing to do with the post which was the point both of us were making.

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