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Cleric JohnPreston
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Posted - 2007.07.14 14:49:00 -
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I used to use these alot and they were good but ive noticed theyre next to useless now. Perhaps its me, has something changed?
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Benn Helmsman
Caldari
Helmsman Engineering Company
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Posted - 2007.07.14 14:51:00 -
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since module based ecm nerf.. they are great...especially if you can use 5 heavies.. tho 5 meds are already very good
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Drek Grapper
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.07.14 15:10:00 -
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Lore Isander
Caldari
Paisti
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Posted - 2007.07.14 15:16:00 -
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They actually work too well if you ask me <.<
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Emsee
S.Y.N.D.R.O.M.E.
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Posted - 2007.07.14 15:18:00 -
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I'm surprised more people don't use them. I always get a few cycles with mediums on Battleships.
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Lore Isander
Caldari
Paisti
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Posted - 2007.07.14 15:23:00 -
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Edited by: Lore Isander on 14/07/2007 15:22:45
 Originally by: Emsee
I'm surprised more people don't use them. I always get a few cycles with mediums on Battleships.
I have been permajammed by mediums in my Megathron 
Wanna guess why I decided to train them yesterday?
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Guardians of the Dawn
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.14 17:32:00 -
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Being permajammed is very hard sicne they only break lock. But they are for sure efficient.
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Benn Helmsman
Caldari
Helmsman Engineering Company
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Posted - 2007.07.14 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Kagura Nikon
Being permajammed is very hard sicne they only break lock. But they are for sure efficient.
Wrong.. they jamm you for full 20 secs.. 5 heavy ecm have a chance of 38% every cycle to jam a raven.. 5 meds 30%... a maxed scorp gets a chance of 39% with a racial ecm.. think about it.
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Dread Phantom
Caldari
Project-Chaos
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Posted - 2007.07.14 17:56:00 -
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Don't go telling everyone,
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Benn Helmsman
Caldari
Helmsman Engineering Company
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Posted - 2007.07.14 18:01:00 -
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Why not? in like 1 month everybody will do it.. so maybe i can speed the ecm drone nerf a bit... it sucks to be jammed by gallente ships all the time.
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William Hamilton
Caldari
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS....
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.07.14 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Benn Helmsman
Wrong.. they jamm you for full 20 secs.. 5 heavy ecm have a chance of 38% every cycle to jam a raven.. 5 meds 30%... a maxed scorp gets a chance of 39% with a racial ecm.. think about it.
maxed scorp has 39% with racial ECM????
Where on earth are you getting your numbers from, I get over 40% per jammer....
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Benn Helmsman
Caldari
Helmsman Engineering Company
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Posted - 2007.07.14 18:24:00 -
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Originally by: William Hamilton
Originally by: Benn Helmsman
Wrong.. they jamm you for full 20 secs.. 5 heavy ecm have a chance of 38% every cycle to jam a raven.. 5 meds 30%... a maxed scorp gets a chance of 39% with a racial ecm.. think about it.
maxed scorp has 39% with racial ECM????
Where on earth are you getting your numbers from, I get over 40% per jammer....
On which ship?
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velmistr Ecco
Caldari
InNova Tech Inc
Storm Armada
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Posted - 2007.07.14 18:40:00 -
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Raven has gravimetric sensor strength 22. So if your jammer strength is 0.39*22=8,58 then you have 39% to jam a raven. I guess you don't need to have your skills maxed out.
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Benn Helmsman
Caldari
Helmsman Engineering Company
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Posted - 2007.07.14 18:44:00 -
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Ah yeah i see my misstake, i took the sensor strength of a scorp.. for all calculations btw
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Pan Crastus
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Posted - 2007.07.14 20:43:00 -
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Edited by: Pan Crastus on 14/07/2007 20:46:00
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
Being permajammed is very hard sicne they only break lock. But they are for sure efficient.
You must have missed that they were changed in Rev1.0 or so to full jamming cycles ...
PS. a few days ago my main got jammed (for full 20s) by 5 x light ECM drones in a Rapier (sensor strength 24). They work very well now.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.07.14 22:28:00 -
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They're not that great. A full bay of ECM drones, typically has a significant impact on your damage output - compare the 'potential' of 5x hammer IIs, vs. the jamming capability of 5x EC-600s.
Not often worth the tradeoff IMO.
Having said that, they do have their uses. A 'jammer' which doesn't require a target lock, I find an extremely valuable supplement to a scorp - sic your drones on that other ECM ship, and you've got a chance of getting out of a lockdown.
But then a scorp doesn't really do any damage anyway, so *shrug*.
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Methem
The Hand of Mortis
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Posted - 2007.07.15 06:48:00 -
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 no they are horrible, dont use them
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PraetorNZ
Axe Gang
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Posted - 2007.07.15 07:37:00 -
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i agree with him ^^
they are useless. wouldnt have bothered training them if i knew how useless they would be
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Scrutt5
Visual I.D
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.07.15 11:11:00 -
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Offensive: Yes they work very well
Defensive: Fit a smartbomb in the utility high slot
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bldyannoyed
Dark Centuri Inc.
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.07.15 11:16:00 -
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Originally by: Benn Helmsman
Why not? in like 1 month everybody will do it.. so maybe i can speed the ecm drone nerf a bit... it sucks to be jammed by gallente ships all the time.
Presumably Gallenete are the only race that can use them?
But yeah, they are a little overkill, specially against the ships with lower sensor strengths ( Minnie in particualar) . 1 successfull cycle of 20 secs against a BS is enough to deflect thousands and thousands of potential DPS. Which is far more valuable than 150 so dps from a wave of mediums.
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Guardians of the Dawn
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.15 11:23:00 -
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Somethign relevant is. they have very very low HP> So a singler large smartbomb will get rid of them
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Talen Kross
Applied Eugenics
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Posted - 2007.07.15 12:00:00 -
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They are completely over powered on close-range ships.
Launch drones. No lock? Scoop and relaunch. Repeat till you get a jam.
Originally by: "Desi"
Originally by: "spiralJunkie"
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Gibbal Slogspit
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2007.07.15 13:41:00 -
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Edited by: Gibbal Slogspit on 15/07/2007 13:41:51
Originally by: Talen Kross
They are completely over powered on close-range ships.
Launch drones. No lock? Scoop and relaunch. Repeat till you get a jam.
I agree, I've lost a geddon to a Brutix because 5 med ECM drones permajammed my ass. I dont know if he was just lucky or scooping and rescooping em.
If indeed you can scoop and redeploy like that then I am going to have to say, nerf them.
The main thing that annoys me is that there isnt a countdown when you get jammed by drones, so you have to keep trying to target. Pain in the ass.
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band0fdevs
Gallente
Band of Dev's
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Posted - 2007.07.15 13:50:00 -
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fit ECCM
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Gibbal Slogspit
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2007.07.15 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: band0fdevs
fit ECCM
Seems so simple, but the geddon only has 3 meds...infact, if you dont already know, Amarr ships arent to well off with medium slots...
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.07.15 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: Gibbal Slogspit
Originally by: band0fdevs
fit ECCM
Seems so simple, but the geddon only has 3 meds...infact, if you dont already know, Amarr ships arent to well off with medium slots...
Low slot ECCM modules?
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Lore Isander
Caldari
Paisti
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Posted - 2007.07.15 15:23:00 -
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It's a lot easier to say "Fit ECCM/Smartbomb whatever" than actually do it.
Good luck fitting them on a Megathron or similiar without totaly gimping your fit.
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Kua Immortal
RSP Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.07.15 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Methem
no they are horrible, dont use them
Listen to this man.
Seriously, unless you're in a remote repping gang or your ship has a bonus to drones there is no excuse not to use these imo :P (well ok I can think of a couple of exceptions ^^). And the Typhoon, Ishtar, Dominix and Eos (I think that's most of the ships with fat drone bays) should IMO *always* find space for them. Battle winners and life savers these.
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Methem
The Hand of Mortis
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Posted - 2007.07.16 05:49:00 -
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Well I was being sarcastic. In my experience ECM drones are very good. But like all ECM, sometimes they work, sometimes they dont.
The biggest problem I've faced is that theyre very easy to kill. Scooping and relaunching the drones can work around this, if they dont insta-die when someone actually does get a lock.
Does anyone know if thier 20sec jam lasts AFTER the drones are scooped? I've yet to test this.
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Methem
The Hand of Mortis
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Posted - 2007.07.16 05:52:00 -
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Oh Btw, STFU!! asking for a nerf kiddies, these are essential for a caldari BS(IMO).
kthxbye
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