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Sorja
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.07.16 10:56:00 -
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Definately yes, The FC did the right thing podding the two tards.
Hell, I'd just pod gallente pilots cuz I can't stand pink 
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BluOrange
Gallente
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2007.07.16 11:18:00 -
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Leaving aside the rather harsh 'get there NOW or lose your rank' business, Agony has a procedure for people who won't shut up on vent. The first thing to do is to remind everybody that they're supposed to be quiet, that works 99% of the time. Failing that, you mute people, and then discuss it with them afterwards.
We wouldn't pop their ship, we'd only have to replace it from the corp hangar.
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Ali Amarano
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Posted - 2007.07.16 11:18:00 -
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Too many people take EvE way to seriously. Its only a game although its a very good one. I agree if you use Voice Comms there should be some discipline but being podded is just going way to far.
I have seen so many situations like this in the last 4 years I have played. (yes this is not my main OMG!!!)
I have lost count the ammount of times I have refrained from going on OPs due to the attitude of people involved in them.When people start demanding 'X UP FOR GANG NOW!' and similar in chats I start to get very disinterested tbh. Maybe if these people who DEMAND I join in were actually paying me to play EvE rather than me paying to play it then it would be different.
The attitude of an awful lot of people in alliances these days absolutly stink and they way they talk to members is embarresing. They seem to forget there is more to EvE than running around shooting everything. They seem to think that because you want to help out in 0.0 that you MUST pvp pretty much all the time. And if you dont shout 'HOW HIGH SIR?' when they shout 'JUMP!!!FFS>>>COME NOW>>>>OMFG' they treat you like your a completly worthless individual.
The day alliances realise that without the members that sort out building...buying etc etc there would be a lot less targets for them to shoot and it might actually become a much nicer situation to play in.
Too many have little man syndrome and the louder they shout the less I listen as it really does get boring. Someone said to me that armys dont get anywhere by being nice to soldiers.....Well heres news for you all that think like that. IM NOT IN THE ARMY.....Im paying for and playing a GAME.
Get a life and accept that no matter how much you shout and scream or threaten to kick people who dont come running or do as you expect its not going to change. Kick them out and your going to find that someone else will just take their place.
Learn to talk properly to people and treat them with a little respect and its suprising just how much more you will get from them...scream and shout and you can forget it. Just making yourselves look stupid .
Thats Life (its a GAME FFS)
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Red Harvest
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Posted - 2007.07.16 11:49:00 -
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Somthing quite a few people have missed is that the FCs decision was made shortly befor an engagement (which was known to come).
4 minutes befor the enemy arrives is really no time to stop at warning someone, most of the time this just leads to more "discussions"
So Vent ban and podding was the fastest and most efficient way to get rid of a problem disturbing the op.
Yes, some alliance commanders go a bit too far when they demand participation in their ops and as long as its not to defend the home system i dont like that either.
BUT if its a defense op i really expect everyone to help even if its only in a frig.
100% corp tax usually gets everyones attention if calls in ally/corp chat dont help. 
And tbh the best way to do ops is with a military structure with one in command.
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Karunel
Princeps Corp
YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.07.16 11:57:00 -
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 Originally by: Jim McGregor
Stuff like this makes me glad im not in a 0.0 corporation run by kids. 
It's not kiddie stuff; if you're on a fleet op and two people start arguing over Ventrilo your whole fleet can go down the toilet. Podding or otherwise getting the two to shut up is what a responsable person should do, IMO.
I don't really get your comment tbh.
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DarkMatter
Sintered Sanity
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Posted - 2007.07.16 11:58:00 -
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I hate when ppl can't STFU on TS, so annoying.
Sounds like the FC did the right thing IMO.
If you can't listen, and you're going to disrupt the OP with childish ****, go somewhere else...
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Fink Angel
Caldari
The Merry Men
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Posted - 2007.07.16 11:59:00 -
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If you play Eve at that level, then what the FC says is law. Your mate should have known to not respond, and the mouthy tackler would have got his just deserts, and your mate would be fine.
Personally I play Eve to have fun, not get ordered around by some jumped up nartzi with a half inch peynis, but hey, whatever floats your boat.
Second Life? Pah! This makes Eve sound more like Second Job!
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Ozzie Asrail
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.07.16 12:09:00 -
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Always more to a story than the 1 side though...
Clear coms before a big fight is 100% nessesary, if 2 idiots start acting like 10 year olds and get kicked and podded then you can't say they did nothing wrong.
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Dionisius
Gallente
Ordem dos Templarios
Pax Atlantis
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Posted - 2007.07.16 12:16:00 -
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Originally by: Red Harvest
Somthing quite a few people have missed is that the FCs decision was made shortly befor an engagement (which was known to come).
4 minutes befor the enemy arrives is really no time to stop at warning someone, most of the time this just leads to more "discussions"
So Vent ban and podding was the fastest and most efficient way to get rid of a problem disturbing the op.
Yes, some alliance commanders go a bit too far when they demand participation in their ops and as long as its not to defend the home system i dont like that either.
BUT if its a defense op i really expect everyone to help even if its only in a frig.
100% corp tax usually gets everyones attention if calls in ally/corp chat dont help.
And tbh the best way to do ops is with a military structure with one in command.
Right, taking your atention away from your real targets was the proper course of action... nice touch, classy.
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Red Harvest
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Posted - 2007.07.16 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: Dionisius
Right, taking your atention away from your real targets was the proper course of action... nice touch, classy.
Getting disciplin and focus back is way more important.
Hostiles can be ignored till you are ready to engage them.
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sableye
principle of motion
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.16 12:31:00 -
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sounds like a drunken iac op
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00Dead
Caldari
FATAL REVELATIONS
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Posted - 2007.07.16 12:48:00 -
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Comms discipline is essential for fleet ops. If certain members are unable to grasp when they can and can not speak in TS then they deserve everything they get.
Usually in the following order:
1) Polite STFU from FC
2) Angry STFU from FC
3) kick/temp ban on TS and a podding if necessary.
4) if the situation doesnt improve on future ops then you have pretty much no choice other to kick them from corp.
Communication between fc's and scouts in essential and people who can't adhere to comms dicipline have no place in many corps.
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Rooker
Lysian Enterprises
United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2007.07.16 13:05:00 -
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I've been sorely tempted to open fire on a few people for clogging up the comms. A couple of ******s actually caused a whole fleet to go off in two different directions because they were talking over the FC at the wrong moment. Some people heard about the new destination, some people didn't and we had to stop to sort it out.
Some people are just too stupid to understand what "STFU" means and you can't do anything but mute them. I wouldn't pod anyone over it, but I'd sure be tempted.
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Stakhanov
kleptomaniacs
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Posted - 2007.07.16 13:06:00 -
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You got it wrong... kick the troublemaker from vent & gang , then kicking him from corp after several incidents / complaints... at which point he's fair game. You don't pod your own corpmates , you power tripping freaks 
If you're so desperate for fighters that you keep annoying idiots , you deserve to have your corp hangars emptied. That's what I would do if I were purposely podded by the people in charge 
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Robke
Trinity Nova
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.16 13:10:00 -
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Originally by: Curzon Dax
If the tackler and Mr. A are both so childish that they resort to talking about each other's mothers, then they both deserve to be podded repeatedly until they grow up.
The problem is that you dont grow up by repeated podding; you 'grow down'.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.07.16 13:28:00 -
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its what happens when people take eve too seriously
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Red Harvest
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Posted - 2007.07.16 13:52:00 -
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Originally by: SiJira
its what happens when people take eve too seriously
This has nothing to do with taking eve too serious (lots of ppl do though) but efficient teamplay. For the more idividualistic ppl this isnt fun but for me and lots of other ppl its great to fly with a good organized gang and an FC who knows what he¦s doing.
Just a different level of gameplay which i think is more mature and professional but still fun.
BTW i keep telling my mates the same about their football (aka soccer), that they are taking it too serious etc but on the other hand their regional liga club is quite successful.
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Wardog 1
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.07.16 13:54:00 -
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DaMiGe podded me once when my keyboard broke 
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.07.16 13:58:00 -
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Originally by: Red Harvest
Originally by: SiJira
its what happens when people take eve too seriously
This has nothing to do with taking eve too serious (lots of ppl do though) but efficient teamplay. For the more idividualistic ppl this isnt fun but for me and lots of other ppl its great to fly with a good organized gang and an FC who knows what he¦s doing.
Just a different level of gameplay which i think is more mature and professional but still fun.
BTW i keep telling my mates the same about their football (aka soccer), that they are taking it too serious etc but on the other hand their regional liga club is quite successful.
i disagree when you ruin someones entire gameday instead of just abandoning them from the team then you are taking it too seriously its like kicking someone off your team and holding them down and kicking their shins before you leave them where they lie
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ChronoSphere
Sturmgrenadier Inc
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Posted - 2007.07.16 14:02:00 -
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When running in a RISE fleet the FC is god, for all intents and purposes. If you don't like how he is running things you can A) Leave the gang B) Relieve the FC of the gang and take command yourself IF you outrank him C) Speak with him after the action is over about what you didn't like, and if that doesn't resolve it you speak to their superior officer.
At no point do you violate the chain of command. Those that due get kicked off TS and from gang. Its a simple system and it works.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.07.16 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: ChronoSphere
When running in a RISE fleet the FC is god, for all intents and purposes. If you don't like how he is running things you can A) Leave the gang B) Relieve the FC of the gang and take command yourself IF you outrank him C) Speak with him after the action is over about what you didn't like, and if that doesn't resolve it you speak to their superior officer.
At no point do you violate the chain of command. Those that due get kicked off TS and from gang. Its a simple system and it works.
if the army worked like that then new soldiers would be stranded all over the battlefields eh? not very smart
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Hannobaal
Gallente
Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom
Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.07.16 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: PuyoPuyoFever
so, people, here's my second question:
would even the most dedicated PvPers go that far? both of them banned from vent, which I can understand. However, shot & podded without warning is a bit over-the-top. Don't you think?
Sounds fair to me, provided they were warned first but kept on talking anyway. If not, then there should have been a sharp warning first.
My alliance had to do this to one member not so long ago (for refusing to stop talking in local when ordered, refusing to obey orders in general, cursing out the FC and alliance mates, and shooting at blues - all in one op) and he was kicked out of his corp shortly after that. He used the 24 hour waiting period before they could throw him out to practically non-stop spam alliance chat though. Was kinda funny.
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baaaaal
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Posted - 2007.07.16 14:30:00 -
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Edited by: baaaaal on 16/07/2007 14:34:40
sounds to me like the 2 people arguing over teamspeak during a fleet op are immature idiots who deserved to be pod killed.
everyone should respect the pilots they are flying with on a fleet op, if it wasnt a fleet op and nothing important was going and both of them knew the other was just joking around with the name calling then thats fine imo.
but on a fleet op all pilots should.
keep comms clear at all times once told do so unless they are a scout or are anouncing an EW target ie "xxx dampeners" etc so the FC knows which targets should be given priority
keep BS chat to gang chat not over voice comms the FC needs to be able to command the fleet if you are stopping him from doing so its your own fault if he chooses to pop you.
in the alliance my main is in no bs is tolerated on ops even if we are just forming up , people can say whatever they like in gang chat but voice comms must be kept quiet unless you have a damn good reason to speak ie your asking what ship type is needed.
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I have lost count the ammount of times I have refrained from going on OPs due to the attitude of people involved in them.When people start demanding 'X UP FOR GANG NOW!'
my opinion and i suspect many others people is that if you join a mainly pvp alliance you should be expected to join defensive gangs and offensive gangs unless you are a member of one of the alliances industrial corps or you are known to the alliance as someone who particpates in pvp operations on a regular basis.
dont join a 0.0 alliance that likes to pew pew if all you want is access to there space so you can make alot of money of the rest of the alliances losses.
why should 80% of the alliance lose ships so you can get rich? if you arent donating minerals etc to the war effort
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Red Harvest
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Posted - 2007.07.16 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: SiJira
if the army worked like that then new soldiers would be stranded all over the battlefields eh? not very smart
Most armys work pretty much like that and o/c on all ships (commander = GOD).
Recruts/sailors get drilled hard to grasp that right from the start.
Armys are no democracys and thats why they are efficient at what they do.
And actually you can be shot in most armys during a war (even today) if you disobey orders or sabotage the own troops (not to mention cowardice in battle).
On the bright side death is pretty much meaningless in EVE unless you lose some very expensiv imps and/or ship so i certainly wouldnt hesitate shooting a corp mate whos annoying everyone over TS if the FC orders it.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.07.16 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: Red Harvest
Originally by: SiJira
if the army worked like that then new soldiers would be stranded all over the battlefields eh? not very smart
Most armys work pretty much like that and o/c on all ships (commander = GOD).
Recruts/sailors get drilled hard to grasp that right from the start.
Armys are no democracys and thats why they are efficient at what they do.
And actually you can be shot in most armys during a war (even today) if you disobey orders or sabotage the own troops (not to mention cowardice in battle).
On the bright side death is pretty much meaningless in EVE unless you lose some very expensiv imps and/or ship so i certainly wouldnt hesitate shooting a corp mate whos annoying everyone over TS if the FC orders it.
this guy came after the orders were given from what i read
this is like shooting your reinforcements without giving them any brief because they disobeyed the unique rules you have in place that they do not know about - if you notice the most efficient armies today do not shoot their own soldiers
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Posted - 2007.07.16 14:59:00 -
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He came in later but he was informed about the op and ordered to grab a combat ship (thats how i read it).
He even might not have heard the order about radio silence (if it wasnt repeated).
BUT if there is a fleet op it doesnt matter! He should have known about the radio silence if he wasnt a total noob with the corps way to run gangs.
He simply shouldnt have answered back to the tackler and nothing would have happened to him.
Im 100% sure that "the most efficient armies", whoever those might be (maybe the british), have a draconic disciplin. Soldiers that talk back or cant keep their mouth shut certainly have no place there.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.07.16 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: Red Harvest
He came in later but he was informed about the op and ordered to grab a combat ship (thats how i read it).
He even might not have heard the order about radio silence (if it wasnt repeated).
BUT if there is a fleet op it doesnt matter! He should have known about the radio silence if he wasnt a total noob with the corps way to run gangs.
He simply shouldnt have answered back to the tackler and nothing would have happened to him.
Im 100% sure that "the most efficient armies", whoever those might be (maybe the british), have a draconic disciplin. Soldiers that talk back or cant keep their mouth shut certainly have no place there.
arguments about mothers should just be ignored - i do agree
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Felysta Sandorn
Caldari
System-Lords
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Posted - 2007.07.16 15:09:00 -
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Sounds completely redundant to me... I'd hate to be in a corp like that...
Saying that, I've only ever had a good time on VT whether we're on ops or what, and anyone that's wanted an organised comm system has generally left our group of gamers... Even in combat, you get random spam from the channels:
FC: Primary is X
Gang Member 1: I'm getting shot!
Gang Member 2: Would everyone stop getting shot!
FC: Shut the fudge up, guys! Kill X
Gang Member 2: You shut up! Hell, I'm gonna shoot you!
It's all fun and games... Anyone that takes it too seriously needs to chill and watch some Ace Ventura...
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Drunk Driver
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.07.16 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: PuyoPuyoFever
to Moderators, this is my first time posting, so please move this topic if it doesn't belong in general discussion.
warning: minor ranting follows
/rant on
I've got a questions for all you pod-pilots who have participated in fleet operations: when fleet XO (fleet leader, if you will) ordered "Radio Silence on vent, essential com only", is it really necessary to shoot and podded someone who ignored that order?
here's the event that's happened ,as told by an eve-buddy(Mr. A), to give you people better perspective:
10 minutes before contact, a standard radio-silence was announced. 2 minutes after announcement, my friend logged on, and was told to scramble or be stripped of his rank. However, his PvP equipments were two jumps away, and there was no way to get everything ready within 8 minutes. By that point, one of the tacklers got impatient and started to talk nasty stuff about Mr. A's mother. Mr. A responded in kind and a verbal exchange of what'd they do to each other's mother ensued. 1 minute later, fleet XO ordered both of them banned from vent, and also shot & podded as punishment.
so, people, here's my second question:
would even the most dedicated PvPers go that far? both of them banned from vent, which I can understand. However, shot & podded without warning is a bit over-the-top. Don't you think?
/rant off
PS: my buddy is not quitting, so you can not have his stuff.
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PuyoPuyoFever
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Posted - 2007.07.16 15:16:00 -
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wow, i didn't expect this many replies... thank you so much.
anyway~
to clear a few things up:
1. the radio silence 10 minutes before contact was standard procedure.
2. it was an defensive OP on a major choke point.
3. corp tell every single fresh recruit this: "this is a corp run by mostly active- or ex- military people, so if you don't feel like taking orders. STFU and leave now."
4. also, each recruit has to read a long list of "protocols" before they join corp, and quite obviously, some chose to click "Yes, I have read and understood the above." without reading at all. So yeah, podding seems like right solution for not reading the corp's "EULA". 
5. and no, my main actually witnessed the whole thing in that operation, and I had the pleasure of hearing Mr. A complaining/b****ing/sm@cktalking about it over a few drinks afterward. 
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