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Venduul
Caldari
Caldari Defense Group
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Posted - 2007.07.16 15:20:00 -
[61]
 Originally by: MacroDoomer
Originally by: Venduul
Originally by: Selorian
Hmm.. Sparta?
yarrr!!! you get the cookie
THIS...IS...SPAAAAARTAH!
No
This...is...a....Disastaaah!!!
but u didnt hear it from me...mkay?
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Stakhanov
kleptomaniacs
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Posted - 2007.07.16 15:29:00 -
[62]
Who cares about what's most efficient in the army ? This is a game.
Fleet ops are supposed to be based on voluntary participation , anyone is free to join and leave without needing a reason. It's not like you have to manage drafted soldiers.
If the FC thinks he has absolute powers on his gang members , something is wrong. The only power he should have is to expell whoever he thinks doesn't fit in the team , at his discretion.
A friend , even kicked out of the gang , remains a friend. It is wrong to kill him unless he was disruptive enough to become an enemy. There is no middle ground , it makes no sense.
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Rho Enneyway
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Posted - 2007.07.16 15:32:00 -
[63]
Defiantly sounds like the FCs of one of the new pet alliances in the north... Gate camping for raiders long enough would make me turn on my comrades too!
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Red Harvest
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Posted - 2007.07.16 15:32:00 -
[64]
Thanks for the clarification.
Especially with those points in mind, podding was a thing both should have seen comming.
If Mr. A cant swallow it he should really think if he isnt in the wrong corp.
A corp with military structure and leadership might not be the right place for him.
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Sharupak
Minmatar
Knights Of the Black Sun
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Posted - 2007.07.16 15:42:00 -
[65]
What has this game come to?! You cant even have a heated discussion between corpies about their ho bag moms because it is punishable by 14 milisecond death!
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Red Harvest
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Posted - 2007.07.16 15:48:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Sharupak
What has this game come to?! You cant even have a heated discussion between corpies about their ho bag moms because it is punishable by 14 milisecond death!
Im sure you can discuss that as much as you like in that corp too but not during a fleet op on the command channel.
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Lisento Slaven
Amarr
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.07.16 16:14:00 -
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If it is clear to the members prior to joining that they are joining a **** corporation then by all means the FC and punishment handed out was accurate.
You should know what you're getting into before you actually get into it. I'm guessing this isn't the first time "power" actions have occured with whatever corp/alliance you're referring to =P
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Kurlieu
Gallente
The Ore House
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Posted - 2007.07.16 16:46:00 -
[68]
Sounds to me like there is more to the story that we're not hearing.
They should have been booted from TS immediately. If they kept it up, they should have been booted from gang as well.
It does seem a bit odd, but not unheard of, to get podded immediately. My guess is, that one or both have a history of such behavior. Perhaps the XO was just having a bad day as well.
In my experience the voice rules are pretty clearly posted, along with potential repercussions from violating the rules. I've seen FC's and Captains busted to Private without hesitation. You simply cannot jeopardize the fleet. Same goes for posting in local/ship naming/whatever. 0.0 can be very serious business at times.
I can't get into the specifics, but hundreds of ships were lost a few weekends ago, and IMO a lot of the losses were due to poor circuit discipline. There is a chain of command and channels for a reason.
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dragonssbane
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.07.16 16:54:00 -
[69]
Radio silence is standard. It is what it is. You kick em form gang and ts. And if it becomes and issue and the offender repeats, kick em from corp.
It is frustrating to try to let the FC know that I have picked up gang that is warping to our gate and numbnutt #1 and numbnutt #2 are talking about how many hot dogs their mama's can swallow at once. You yell break break and they keep talking. Now I lose my ship and all my fittings along with 4 other mates because the FC can not hear over the numbnutt twins that a nasty gang was on the way.
Hmm...blowing there asses out of the sky does not sound so bad now does it.
The rules of conduct is very specific especially for corps and alliances that run ops via headset.
For our corp mainly it is to ensure that every one has an enjoyable evening gathering skulls and kill mails.
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.16 17:00:00 -
[70]
Edited by: Tortun Nahme on 16/07/2007 16:59:56
never done it in eve-o but if some nuckleheads are mucking up my squad/platoon comms on bf2142 the unit gets the tk order, and not just the player/s talking, their entire squad. Nothing straightens out discipline real fast like having your entire squad ticked at you for getting them killed, either the person learns the lesson, or they get replaced
Real turtles tank armor.
Real men fly Pink.
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BluOrange
Gallente
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2007.07.17 09:11:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Red Harvest
4 minutes befor the enemy arrives is really no time to stop at warning someone, most of the time this just leads to more "discussions"
Obviously, this depends on your corp. If an Agony FC says "Battlecoms", everybody shuts up. We all know what the word means, and we've all had the reason for it explained to us in detail.
Sure, if the person won't shut up, you mute them. But if they're going to make it out of the battle alive, they're going to need to be able to hear what's going on; cutting them off from communications completely doesn't help anybody.
A military structure is a very useful thing in combat situations, but just as FCs demand some professionalism from their pilots (the discipline to shut up when the channel needs to be clear for intel or orders), I think pilots can reasonably expect professionalism from FCs (respect for their dignity, and to refrain from pointless destruction of assets).
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Jotan Veer
HUN Corp.
HUN Reloaded
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Posted - 2007.07.17 10:10:00 -
[72]
Edited by: Jotan Veer on 17/07/2007 10:10:08
I'm currently in a smallish corp where everyone knows each other so a lot is allowed on ventrilo.
However, my opinion if you join the army then be a man to face the consequences. Ie, if you join a corp where com rules are so strict then either follow the rules or leave the corp.
Everyone has a right to play with other like minded players. If a group of players enjoy such a high level of discipline during pvp ops then it's cool in my book. Whoever can't take it can GTFO of that corp imho.
It can be annoying to listen to bickering of two immature jackasses when one is trying to lead a fleet so I can understand the FC's point of view.
HUN Corp. recruitment status: frozen
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Guardians of the Dawn
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.17 10:57:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Stakhanov
Who cares about what's most efficient in the army ? This is a game.
Fleet ops are supposed to be based on voluntary participation , anyone is free to join and leave without needing a reason. It's not like you have to manage drafted soldiers.
If the FC thinks he has absolute powers on his gang members , something is wrong. The only power he should have is to expell whoever he thinks doesn't fit in the team , at his discretion.
A friend , even kicked out of the gang , remains a friend. It is wrong to kill him unless he was disruptive enough to become an enemy. There is no middle ground , it makes no sense.
that might e your opinion or of your alliance. But many are not like that, for the priviledge of using allaince resources, outposts, space etc.. you are entitled to be on MANDATORY ops. It within all right of an allaince to shoot, boot do anythign to members that disobey prime directives of allaince.
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Pilk
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.07.24 14:45:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Jita Alt
Originally by: Venduul
to the OP: i think ur "buddy" and my main are in the same alliance. that sounds an awful lot like someone i know
How crazy would i sound if i were to mention axiom empire at this point?
Pretty damn batty.
We'd have also stripped his roles and kicked him from the corp. Take it to Gang chat.
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Princess Jodi
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.07.24 16:13:00 -
[75]
The FC was right to do this. You quite simply do not argue with the FC when ordered to do something. Your choice at that point is to leave the gang, and you may face expulsion from the corp or if you were 'right' you might see the FC taking heat for his actions. But you follow orders, or don't play.
I have had Corp members who were a disruptive influence in the past several times. The first time it was the Cousin of the CEO, which made him immune to punishment. I left that Corp when it was obvious things would not change, and took many members with me. The Corp was the loser in that exchange. Another time a T2-owning Miner would gang members for mining ops while we were on PVP gangs. This is in addition to not PVP'ng cuz his stuff was 'too valuable to risk.' I killed his Hulk, podded him, and kicked him from the corp.
Point being that disruptive behavior should NOT be tolerated. Ever. You need to check your egos and submit to the FC. If you don't like that fact, then leave. If you argue with me over it, I'll 'help' you leave and never return.
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Minmatar096773
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Posted - 2007.08.31 10:50:00 -
[76]
This is one of those situations you can only discuss once it happens and when you have all the facts.
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A wiseman
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.08.31 11:05:00 -
[77]
FC's job description in big ass fleets
1 fleet comander
2 tell people to shut up on comms so A) he can think and B) so he dosen't miss the OMG Titan at the gate!!! due to you insulting a fellow nub
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Stitcher
Caldari
legion of qui
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.31 11:13:00 -
[78]
Speaking as an FC, my response to that situation would have been.
1: Let the guy who couldn't make it off the hook. if he can't get there, he can't get there. fair enough.
2: Tell them both to shut the feth up.
3: Move them to another room (we use TS), and kick from gang.
4: Tempa-ban from the TS server if they come back in and start whining.
5: "Right, that's it. Kill the stupid bastard's ship." - Circulate the pilot's name and behaviour to the rest of the alliance's FCs and refuse to reimburse his ship.
We NEVER pod-kill our own. Under any circumstances.
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The game is not the problem.
The problem is that you are not adapting to the game.
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Luigi Thirty
Caldari
19th Star Logistics
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Posted - 2007.08.31 11:15:00 -
[79]
Edited by: Luigi Thirty on 31/08/2007 11:15:15
Because Eve is SERIOUS BUSINESS and ex-military armchair generals are the elite in this game right
The two times I commanded something everyone just shut up, so
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Stitcher
Caldari
legion of qui
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.31 11:18:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Luigi Thirty
The two times I commanded something everyone just shut up, so
Yeah, that's generally what happens. A well-placed" Guys, shut the hell up we're trying to PvP here" is usually enough to stop it dead in its tracks. people who ignore the FC telling them to can it are generally asking for whatever kicks/bans/firepower winds up coming their way.
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The game is not the problem.
The problem is that you are not adapting to the game.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
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Posted - 2007.08.31 11:22:00 -
[81]
It isn't about punishing the two don't break the radio silence again in the future, it's about making sure _no one else_ tries the same thing. As long the punishment isn't more sever than getting banned from vent, others might feel like the risk is worth pushing a little once in a while.
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000Hunter000
Gallente
Magners Marauders
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Posted - 2007.08.31 11:24:00 -
[82]
threadnecroing is bad mkay? 
CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!!
Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
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TZeer
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2007.08.31 11:29:00 -
[83]
I see many people going: People take Eve way to seriously.
But in the end its a competitive game, just like soccer, wrestling and so on.
Someone are willing to take the game a step further to get the extra little they need to win. In this case voicecom.
Everyone who have been in gangs, fleets and so on knows how crucial fast, effective voicecoms are.
If you are not willing to play on that level so be it. But dont ruin other peoples gameexperience with bs on the voicecoms when hostile contact is about to happend.
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