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PuyoPuyoFever	Posted - 2007.07.16 08:30:00 - [1] to Moderators, this is my first time posting, so please move this topic if it doesn't belong in general discussion. warning: minor ranting follows /rant on I've got a questions for all you pod-pilots who have participated in fleet operations: when fleet XO (fleet leader, if you will) ordered "Radio Silence on vent, essential com only", is it really necessary to shoot and podded someone who ignored that order? here's the event that's happened ,as told by an eve-buddy(Mr. A), to give you people better perspective: 10 minutes before contact, a standard radio-silence was announced. 2 minutes after announcement, my friend logged on, and was told to scramble or be stripped of his rank. However, his PvP equipments were two jumps away, and there was no way to get everything ready within 8 minutes. By that point, one of the tacklers got impatient and started to talk nasty stuff about Mr. A's mother. Mr. A responded in kind and a verbal exchange of what'd they do to each other's mother ensued. 1 minute later, fleet XO ordered both of them banned from vent, and also shot & podded as punishment. so, people, here's my second question: would even the most dedicated PvPers go that far? both of them banned from vent, which I can understand. However, shot & podded without warning is a bit over-the-top. Don't you think? /rant off PS: my buddy is not quitting, so you can not have his stuff.
hellsknights Phoenix Navy Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2007.07.16 08:39:00 - [2] Edited by: hellsknights on 16/07/2007 08:39:14 Edited by: hellsknights on 16/07/2007 08:38:37 Can you say power trip!!!! I think your FC is a tart,if i was in a corp alliance and they allowed this kind of conduct from an FC i would quit promptly. What kind of two bit corp/alliance would allow such a lame thing. POWER TRIPPING DOUCHBAG Hells Let me liberate you of your T2 mods. T2 mods are dropping in price, because of invention?? No its because of pirates.
Akathar Amarri	Posted - 2007.07.16 08:41:00 - [3] Sounds like most of the people in that chat were out of line. That said, it's not that hard to shut up when the XO tells you to.
Auldare Path-finder	Posted - 2007.07.16 08:42:00 - [4] Wont go into much about who was right or wrong in that situation, but will talk about the consequences. The banning from vent wasn't the punishment so to speak, it was to clear the channel and make sure it stayed clear. The punishment was the podding, only way to hurt someone in EVE is to hit their wallet. The FC also cannot spend time as judge to see who started it, in the end 2 people violated the rule therefore 2 people had to pay the 'fine'. Path-finder Recon/intel
Lolapa	Posted - 2007.07.16 08:46:00 - [5] RANK?? What rank? Don't tell me the have pretend military ranks like captain and general and things haha. In that case it doesn't suprise me in the least they where both stripped of their ranks and executed for disobeying orders, laff It's the whole role play thing. I mean keep the chatter to a minimum by all means but if I was in a fleet op with a new corp/alliance and the FC started pulling that crap I'd totally ask him to shove something up his rectum. TBH.
Cpt Fina Insult to Injury	Posted - 2007.07.16 08:48:00 - [6] Kick them from TS and from gang, can't see why the podding was necessary tbh.
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.16 08:50:00 - [7] If the tackler and Mr. A are both so childish that they resort to talking about each other's mothers, then they both deserve to be podded repeatedly until they grow up.
hellsknights Phoenix Navy Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2007.07.16 08:52:00 - [8] I think the pod killing had to be the lamest thing a FC can do,matter fact any good/mature FC wouldent even consider doing so. Some people have some expensive implants plugged in, losing them to combat is one thing,losing them to your own corpmate is another. Kicking/banning them from vent for an hour would of gotten the point accross just as well.Like i said earlier that FC is lame and that corp is even lamer for condoning that kind of reaction. Hells Let me liberate you of your T2 mods. T2 mods are dropping in price, because of invention?? No its because of pirates.
ApaKaka Lone Starr Corporation	Posted - 2007.07.16 08:54:00 - [9] Sounds like that corp sucks. Join a corp where people actually care and want to have fun, not as a second job. As for smacking and speaking about eachothers mothers on vent during an op, they should be banned, and also kicked out of corp.
hellsknights Phoenix Navy Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2007.07.16 08:58:00 - [10] Ya the mother talk seems out of place,how old are these players 12??? Hells Let me liberate you of your T2 mods. T2 mods are dropping in price, because of invention?? No its because of pirates.
N1fty Amarr Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2007.07.16 08:59:00 - [11] My opinion on this: If two people in a gang of mine decided to have an argument and wouldnt shut up then I would mute or move them if I had the admin rights. If not then a swift podding to shut them up would be my medicine. The whole gang is in jeopardy if nobody can hear orders because a couple of selfish idiots are having a fight. Fine if you want to argue, just switch channels! ============================================
Auldare Path-finder	Posted - 2007.07.16 09:09:00 - [12] I have seen many instances where people just do not follow the rules and think they are somehow exempt from them. Even get to the stage where they will blindly argue their right to not cooperate and do what is in the common interest for the group he is meant to be a part of. There are times when the person in charge must execute his authority and do things to regain control. Now there are a lot of different scenarios where this doesn't apply (Mutual respect within a group who all know and trust everyone in said group), but whenever the size of the fleet gets larger the more stern actions for non compliance have to be. Ask your friend this. Does he feel the FC is worth flying under? Does he do a good job? (But dont take into account the punishment he had received) I would say this though, if the leaders of your corp/alliance have to make similar actions happen regularly the corp/alliance is doomed to fail as it shows it's member cannot work together in any shape. Path-finder Recon/intel
Red Harvest	Posted - 2007.07.16 09:14:00 - [13] I think the FC made the right choice. Ventrillo ban to get "radio disciplin" back and pod killing for the utter disrespect both pilots showed for their gang mates sounds very good to me. AND i would consider kicking them from the corp if it happens another time within 2-3 weeks. If the pilots want to smack each other they can use privat-convo or even corp chat but never ever a TS/Vent gang ops channel.
Boonaki Caldari Knights of Chaos Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2007.07.16 09:18:00 - [14] I so want to flog someone who disrupts TS/Vent comms. For not aligning proper during gate to gate travel, the punishment should be keel hauling. Fear the Ibis of doom! 113
Venduul Caldari Caldari Defense Group	Posted - 2007.07.16 09:33:00 - [15] to the OP: i think ur "buddy" and my main are in the same alliance. that sounds an awful lot like someone i know
Aioa Planetary Assault Systems	Posted - 2007.07.16 09:38:00 - [16] If you care about your gameplay, you care about voicecomm discipline - it can mean the difference between winning and losing. You also have to realise that when you act like a idiot on TS, you are spoiling many others' enjoyment. I don't spend my hard-earned money andd time to listening to children/tards insulting each other. OP's FC made a good call imo
Scorpyn Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.07.16 09:44:00 - [17] It's a bit odd if they got podded without the fc first telling them to stfu. It also depends a lot on the situation. Radio silence when there is no immediate threat will only make the op boring, while not keeping the discipline during the fights is a very serious issue.
Jita Alt	Posted - 2007.07.16 09:46:00 - [18] Originally by: Venduul to the OP: i think ur "buddy" and my main are in the same alliance. that sounds an awful lot like someone i know How crazy would i sound if i were to mention axiom empire at this point?
Venduul Caldari Caldari Defense Group	Posted - 2007.07.16 09:51:00 - [19] Edited by: Venduul on 16/07/2007 09:51:06 Originally by: Jita Alt Originally by: Venduul to the OP: i think ur "buddy" and my main are in the same alliance. that sounds an awful lot like someone i know How crazy would i sound if i were to mention axiom empire at this point? from what ive heard i wouldnt doubt similar shenanigans there, but thats not the alliance im speaking of
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.16 10:06:00 - [20] Radio silence is important, and sometimes popping their ship IS possibly a good option. Take once when I was in FLA. We were doing a fleet op, and we'd come up against something a bit tricky (we were fighting Tri at the time, and they'd set up a nasty blockade on a choke point that there was no easy way of dealing with). The FC and a few other senior PvPers, along with a scout or two, had gone in to Serious Talking ModeÖ on a separate TS channel, and were relaying what they'd come up with to the main TS channel every few seconds. Meanwhile, some eejit started running his mouth off at the top of his voice about how we should "stop ******* TALKING and just do some ACTION!!!!!", and then started spamming the channel every few seconds about how the FCs are stupid, so on and so forth. After telling him to shut up loads of times, someone muted him. Then he started spamming the text chat (including local) with how he was about to go fight them himself (LEROY JENKINS style), and did anyone want to join him. So we kicked him from channel and podded him, to get him out of the way. Thus, podding him for not observing combat comms was a good thing. In your case though, OP, it sounds like the FC was just being a douchebag. --------
Gojyu Gallente Ever Flow FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.16 10:14:00 - [21] Well, personally, I see the vent ban as the harsher punishment. As long as he's banned, he can't fully participate in any fleet ops at the best of his ability. If he's throwing "your mamma" insults around, he's a child. Verbal scolding generally has little effect on children, so sometimes harsher discipline is necessary. I personally would have podded first, vent banned second though.
Excesse Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.07.16 10:17:00 - [22] There's never any point destroying the assets of a member of your own corp/alliance, is there.
Venduul Caldari Caldari Defense Group	Posted - 2007.07.16 10:22:00 - [23] Originally by: Venduul Edited by: Venduul on 16/07/2007 09:51:06 Originally by: Jita Alt Originally by: Venduul to the OP: i think ur "buddy" and my main are in the same alliance. that sounds an awful lot like someone i know How crazy would i sound if i were to mention axiom empire at this point? from what ive heard i wouldnt doubt similar shenanigans there, but thats not the alliance im speaking of Hey Patch, youll know who im talking about, as u recently left this particular alliance
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.07.16 10:25:00 - [24] Originally by: Lolapa RANK?? What rank? Don't tell me the have pretend military ranks like captain and general and things haha. In that case it doesn't suprise me in the least they where both stripped of their ranks and executed for disobeying orders, laff It's the whole role play thing. I mean keep the chatter to a minimum by all means but if I was in a fleet op with a new corp/alliance and the FC started pulling that crap I'd totally ask him to shove something up his rectum. TBH. If you're in anything that even resembles a serious corp and there's no tertiary grouping between directors and entry level scrubs... well, then you're not in a serious corp, now, are you?
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.07.16 10:29:00 - [25] He said radio silence. The guy who got impatient and started the **** should have been kicked and punished immediately. If not, the XO should have told them to shut up, and the next person who talks gets punished. If they both ignore that, I'd not only pod them but kick them from the corp. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Selorian	Posted - 2007.07.16 10:36:00 - [26] Originally by: Venduul Originally by: Venduul Edited by: Venduul on 16/07/2007 09:51:06 Originally by: Jita Alt Originally by: Venduul to the OP: i think ur "buddy" and my main are in the same alliance. that sounds an awful lot like someone i know How crazy would i sound if i were to mention axiom empire at this point? from what ive heard i wouldnt doubt similar shenanigans there, but thats not the alliance im speaking of Hey Patch, youll know who im talking about, as u recently left this particular alliance Hmm.. Sparta?
Venduul Caldari Caldari Defense Group	Posted - 2007.07.16 10:41:00 - [27] Originally by: Selorian Originally by: Venduul Originally by: Venduul Edited by: Venduul on 16/07/2007 09:51:06 Originally by: Jita Alt Originally by: Venduul to the OP: i think ur "buddy" and my main are in the same alliance. that sounds an awful lot like someone i know How crazy would i sound if i were to mention axiom empire at this point? from what ive heard i wouldnt doubt similar shenanigans there, but thats not the alliance im speaking of Hey Patch, youll know who im talking about, as u recently left this particular alliance Hmm.. Sparta? yarrr!!! you get the cookie
000Hunter000 Gallente Magners Marauders	Posted - 2007.07.16 10:44:00 - [28] Some people REALLY take this game to seriously Ok, sometimes someone needs to take charge, but beeing 'stripped of ur rank' and shooting someone. heh, he should have warned them from smacktalk number 1 and if they continued a ban, but shooting? heh, if this guy had done that to me his days would have been numbered, he could be expecting a torpedo up his rear nozzle when he least expected it. But there u have it and the reason i don't like the big alliances and fleetops at all, there are always a few peeps who need to go ubah powermonger on u in game. So u... err... i mean ur buddy gonna take any revenge? like betraying the SOB to his enemies? CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!! Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.07.16 10:45:00 - [29] Stuff like this makes me glad im not in a 0.0 corporation run by kids. --- Originally by: CCP Wrangler You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for.
Dionisius Gallente Ordem dos Templarios Pax Atlantis	Posted - 2007.07.16 10:54:00 - [30] Just a mute in ts/vent would do, anything more from that like a kick from gang would be insued if they continued in the unapropriated channels. Other than that its just like waving the I'M THE MAN!!! banner high up in the void of space. _______________________ Originally by: Splagada Edited by: Splagada on 21/06/2007 13:51:39 in eve you can break their windows, take over the house, and throw the children in the fire.

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