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fightnkill Dark Blade Incorporated	Posted - 2007.07.18 17:10:00 - [1] "Due to the size of the heist, the GM team took a look into it to see if there were any violations of the EULA. No misconduct was found and any actions taken against the player by CCP were reversed. kieron Director of Community Relations, EVE Online" C'mon CCP, If you guys are gonna invest firmly about a Corp theft Regarding BoB, I think it's fair to say that you should investgiate EVERY Corp theft. I pay my good money to Play this fun game, and my money is just as good as BoB's or any other players Paying to play this game. Don't claim that you guys are only investigating theirs due to the high amount of heist. If you guys are gonna investigate their incident, Everyone should have the rights to have their investigated in detail to see if Eula were violated in their case. It's unfair to tell others "Sorry to hear that the corp theft had occured on your corp, but we are not gonna bother investigating coz they probabbly got it the Legal way" while telling BoB "Hmm, sounds fishy, Maybe I'll investigate and see if I can get ur money back" Thank you for reading
fightnkill Dark Blade Incorporated	Posted - 2007.07.18 17:11:00 - [2] Edited by: fightnkill on 18/07/2007 17:15:10 For instance, WHy is it that CCP never bothered to investigate with the Corp Theft regarding Goonswarm? (60bill Involved) 60bill is STILL HUGE. As well, some corp thief stole 1.2bill from my former Corp Even thou it may look small to CCP, It took huge amounts of work and dedication for us to gain that much. Yet, It was all gone within minutes by some damn corp thief
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.07.18 17:12:00 - [3] Did anything ever actually happen with the goonswarm theft? I always assumed it was just another dramabomb attempt to get more attention? ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
fightnkill Dark Blade Incorporated	Posted - 2007.07.18 17:14:00 - [4] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Did anything ever actually happen with the goonswarm theft? I always assumed it was just another dramabomb attempt to get more attention? Maybe things should be checked out by asking some GS member if it really happened. If it did happen, they should investigate.
xRazoRx The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2007.07.18 17:16:00 - [5] Second in a truely epic thread. Death is only the beginning...

CCP Wrangler	Posted - 2007.07.18 17:16:00 - [6] It wasn't so much an investigation of the corp theft as an investigation into if the character had been hacked. If a petition comes in about a account possibly being hacked the same type of investiagtion will occur. Wrangler Community Manager EVE Online Contact Support - Contact Moderators - Report Bug - Submit News Leads - Knowledge Base Player Guide - Policies - Join ISD - Fan Submissions - DevFinder LiteÖ

Fudgefairy Caldari The Ghazi	Posted - 2007.07.18 17:18:00 - [7] there was no 60bill.. i thought that had been established already...
Stavros Amarr Itto-Ryu Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.07.18 17:18:00 - [8] EPIC POTS -- "DANCE DANCE"
fightnkill Dark Blade Incorporated	Posted - 2007.07.18 17:19:00 - [9] Edited by: fightnkill on 18/07/2007 17:19:16 Originally by: CCP Wrangler It wasn't so much an investigation of the corp theft as an investigation into if the character had been hacked. If a petition comes in about a account possibly being hacked the same type of investiagtion will occur. I'm pretty sure there has been many Corp thefts by hackers and I don't recall hearing any actions taken by CCP in terms of refunding the corp? Well actually, there were some threads about corp theft by hackers but never any response by the op about the being re-imbursed for the stolen things?

CCP Wrangler	Posted - 2007.07.18 17:21:00 - [10] Originally by: fightnkill Edited by: fightnkill on 18/07/2007 17:19:16 Originally by: CCP Wrangler It wasn't so much an investigation of the corp theft as an investigation into if the character had been hacked. If a petition comes in about a account possibly being hacked the same type of investiagtion will occur. I'm pretty sure there has been many Corp thefts by hackers and I don't recall hearing any actions taken by CCP in terms of refunding the corp? Well actually, there were some threads about corp theft by hackers but never any response by the op about the being re-imbursed for the stolen things? In general I'd say that the hacked person would get their stuff back, but I can't really comment on any specific event. Wrangler Community Manager EVE Online Contact Support - Contact Moderators - Report Bug - Submit News Leads - Knowledge Base Player Guide - Policies - Join ISD - Fan Submissions - DevFinder LiteÖ

Yuki Li Caldari Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.07.18 17:28:00 - [11] Wow, you're really looking to give your torch and pitchfork some use eh? Stop witch hunting, you're making yourself look dim. There's no preferencial treatment, the tinfoil hats need to come off. Website Recruiting
Kai page coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.18 17:29:00 - [12] Originally by: CCP Wrangler It wasn't so much an investigation of the corp theft as an investigation into if the character had been hacked. If a petition comes in about a account possibly being hacked the same type of investiagtion will occur. So an evol guy petitioned him because he thought his account was hacked? Don't u think its easy to abuse this if u take the guilty untill proven innocent approach? e.g. petition hostile fcs before fleet ops etc...
Commander Nikolas Gallente Arcana Imperii Ltd. The Cartel.	Posted - 2007.07.18 17:31:00 - [13] The very first corp I joined in eve was thieved using hacking. When the CEO logged on all the corp wallet was gone, all the players roles totally messed up, and the CEOs char had been removed from the corp. He filed a petition about the hacking and CCP had the issue investigated, money refunded to the corp, and all the roles/hanger changes fixed by the next day. I can't even remember the corps name without looking at my employment history... it was just some like 50 man nobody empire corp... CCP seemed to take it very seriously regardless of "who we were".
fightnkill Dark Blade Incorporated	Posted - 2007.07.18 17:32:00 - [14] Originally by: CCP Wrangler Originally by: fightnkill Edited by: fightnkill on 18/07/2007 17:19:16 Originally by: CCP Wrangler It wasn't so much an investigation of the corp theft as an investigation into if the character had been hacked. If a petition comes in about a account possibly being hacked the same type of investiagtion will occur. I'm pretty sure there has been many Corp thefts by hackers and I don't recall hearing any actions taken by CCP in terms of refunding the corp? Well actually, there were some threads about corp theft by hackers but never any response by the op about the being re-imbursed for the stolen things? In general I'd say that the hacked person would get their stuff back, but I can't really comment on any specific event. So suppose that BoB guy got hacked because he was browsing thru and buying ISKs illegally for cheap $. How will you know if he got the isk thru that method or some other innocent way?
Phelan Driscoll GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.18 17:33:00 - [15] Edited by: Phelan Driscoll on 18/07/2007 17:32:35 Originally by: fightnkill C'mon CCP, If you guys are gonna invest firmly about a Corp theft Regarding BoB, I think it's fair to say that you should investgiate EVERY Corp theft. IIRC, CCP looks into any large transaction. So they pretty much do this already. ____________________________________________________ Are GoonSwarm ever going to be allowed to build up in any way in 0.0 space again? No.
fightnkill Dark Blade Incorporated	Posted - 2007.07.18 17:33:00 - [16] Originally by: Yuki Li Wow, you're really looking to give your torch and pitchfork some use eh? Stop witch hunting, you're making yourself look dim. There's no preferencial treatment, the tinfoil hats need to come off. I mean Do remember that this is the first time(That I know of) CCP publicly announced that it will investigate into the corp theft.
Morris Falter The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.07.18 17:38:00 - [17] Less foil please - I can think of examples where accounts were suspended for investigation after transfering bn isk sums between chars. And that was a while ago...
Dave Borland	Posted - 2007.07.18 17:40:00 - [18] James in our Corp got hacked. He is a CEO and a whole bunch of stuff was taken from the corp hangers. We petitioned it (he didn't even know about it). The account was temp banned, while investigated. Turns out he was hacked, we got our stuff back and a day or two later, the account was unbanned. If you petition about hacking they investigate it, if you scream "oh noes we were robbed", they'll shrugg thier shoulders.
Morris Falter The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.07.18 17:42:00 - [19] Originally by: Dave Borland James in our Corp got hacked. He is a CEO and a whole bunch of stuff was taken from the corp hangers. We petitioned it (he didn't even know about it). The account was temp banned, while investigated. Turns out he was hacked, we got our stuff back and a day or two later, the account was unbanned. If you petition about hacking they investigate it, if you scream "oh noes we were robbed", they'll shrugg thier shoulders. Dave, nice post - but turn on your tickers, or you'll get R E V O K E D.
Lenutza GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.18 17:42:00 - [20] This thread sucks. They've investigated corp thefts many, many times. Put the pitchforks away. I ate a temp ban for one a year ago, so quit thinking BOB is getting special treatment for this. They're not.
fightnkill Dark Blade Incorporated	Posted - 2007.07.18 17:44:00 - [21] Ok Lock then But do u think they'll look into corp theft that happend 7 months ago?
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.07.18 17:45:00 - [22] Originally by: Commander Nikolas He filed a petition about the hacking and CCP had the issue investigated, money refunded to the corp, and all the roles/hanger changes fixed by the next day. Same here when one of our directors got hacked and the hacker emptied the corp wallet and his personal isk/stuff. The account was banned right away and got unbanned when the stuff was refunded/returned. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Sapphrine The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.07.18 17:50:00 - [23] Originally by: fightnkill Originally by: Yuki Li Wow, you're really looking to give your torch and pitchfork some use eh? Stop witch hunting, you're making yourself look dim. There's no preferencial treatment, the tinfoil hats need to come off. I mean Do remember that this is the first time(That I know of) CCP publicly announced that it will investigate into the corp theft. no it isn't you utter idiot. CCP investigated if something was amiss, most likely because it was brought to their attention that an account had possibly been hacked. Investigation showed swiftly that there was no foul play and they put the account back to being active. Stop trying to witch hunt CCP for doing their job. Stop attempting to slur that anyone recieved special treatment. Start trying to read.
maarud Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.07.18 17:50:00 - [24] Originally by: Dave Borland James in our Corp got hacked. He is a CEO and a whole bunch of stuff was taken from the corp hangers. We petitioned it (he didn't even know about it). The account was temp banned, while investigated. Turns out he was hacked, we got our stuff back and a day or two later, the account was unbanned. If you petition about hacking they investigate it, if you scream "oh noes we were robbed", they'll shrugg thier shoulders. This was me, bloody alt was logged in :( Maarud. Proudly a Ex-BYDI member
Mastin Dragonfly Absolutely No Return The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.07.18 17:59:00 - [25] Originally by: CCP Wrangler It wasn't so much an investigation of the corp theft as an investigation into if the character had been hacked. If a petition comes in about a account possibly being hacked the same type of investiagtion will occur. So if for instance you are on the verge of a large battle, you could just file hack suspicions vs the fleetcommanders of your opponent to get them out of the way temporarily? I assume there must be some evidence presented before you shut down someone's account?
fightnkill Dark Blade Incorporated	Posted - 2007.07.18 17:59:00 - [26] I can Fully understand that re-imbursing for corp that was hacked was the Right thing to do; however, if they get re-imbursed due to trust scam, everyone else should get the same thing.
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.07.18 18:00:00 - [27] Originally by: Mastin Dragonfly Originally by: CCP Wrangler It wasn't so much an investigation of the corp theft as an investigation into if the character had been hacked. If a petition comes in about a account possibly being hacked the same type of investiagtion will occur. So if for instance you are on the verge of a large battle, you could just file hack suspicions vs the fleetcommanders of your opponent to get them out of the way temporarily? I assume there must be some evidence presented before you shut down someone's account? Access logs. Of course, once the GMs find out nothing at all happened they'll return the favor and ban whoever petitioned it. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Barkode Fourth Dimension	Posted - 2007.07.18 18:02:00 - [28] Fool.

CCP Wrangler	Posted - 2007.07.18 18:06:00 - [29] Originally by: Kai page Originally by: CCP Wrangler It wasn't so much an investigation of the corp theft as an investigation into if the character had been hacked. If a petition comes in about a account possibly being hacked the same type of investiagtion will occur. So an evol guy petitioned him because he thought his account was hacked? Don't u think its easy to abuse this if u take the guilty untill proven innocent approach? e.g. petition hostile fcs before fleet ops etc... Oh, I'm sure whoever tried that would think he was really smart, right up until we banned his account instead for it... Wrangler Community Manager EVE Online Contact Support - Contact Moderators - Report Bug - Submit News Leads - Knowledge Base Player Guide - Policies - Join ISD - Fan Submissions - DevFinder LiteÖ

Hurad Takor Minmatar Stellar Convertors	Posted - 2007.07.18 18:17:00 - [30] Originally by: CCP Wrangler Originally by: Kai page Originally by: CCP Wrangler It wasn't so much an investigation of the corp theft as an investigation into if the character had been hacked. If a petition comes in about a account possibly being hacked the same type of investiagtion will occur. So an evol guy petitioned him because he thought his account was hacked? Don't u think its easy to abuse this if u take the guilty untill proven innocent approach? e.g. petition hostile fcs before fleet ops etc... Oh, I'm sure whoever tried that would think he was really smart, right up until we banned his account instead for it... So you will bann the Evolution guy that wrote the petition that the guy were hacked? Will you pay this guy wo were banned cause anyone told it to you his money back for the time he couldnt play?
Zombak Caldari Shooshpunk	Posted - 2007.07.18 18:23:00 - [31] Edited by: Zombak on 18/07/2007 18:23:15 Originally by: CCP Wrangler It wasn't so much an investigation of the corp theft as an investigation into if the character had been hacked. If a petition comes in about a account possibly being hacked the same type of investiagtion will occur. Sir, does it mean that i can petition any random character and you will ban him immediatly ? I sense some double standards. This is EvE releated English Signature: Hacking-Archeology- eXtreme-Yet-Usual
Richard Aiel Caldari MicroFunks	Posted - 2007.07.18 18:25:00 - [32] hey this was locked just a second ago... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yay! I can come up with good ideas too! http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=548436&page=2
Richard Aiel Caldari MicroFunks	Posted - 2007.07.18 18:26:00 - [33] Originally by: Zombak Edited by: Zombak on 18/07/2007 18:23:15 Originally by: CCP Wrangler It wasn't so much an investigation of the corp theft as an investigation into if the character had been hacked. If a petition comes in about a account possibly being hacked the same type of investiagtion will occur. Sir, does it mean that i can petition any random character and you will ban him immediatly ? I sense some double standards. This is so... cmon... admit that dude was instabanned not because he was being suspected of hacking or it was a big corp theft, but cause its BoB we ALL know it... You can say it... cmon... fess up for once... it will help PR >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yay! I can come up with good ideas too! http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=548436&page=2
Eskona Runningstar Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.07.18 18:30:00 - [34] Originally by: Hurad Takor Originally by: CCP Wrangler Originally by: Kai page Originally by: CCP Wrangler It wasn't so much an investigation of the corp theft as an investigation into if the character had been hacked. If a petition comes in about a account possibly being hacked the same type of investiagtion will occur. So an evol guy petitioned him because he thought his account was hacked? Don't u think its easy to abuse this if u take the guilty untill proven innocent approach? e.g. petition hostile fcs before fleet ops etc... Oh, I'm sure whoever tried that would think he was really smart, right up until we banned his account instead for it... So you will bann the Evolution guy that wrote the petition that the guy were hacked? Will you pay this guy wo were banned cause anyone told it to you his money back for the time he couldnt play? No. What he said is if somebody petitioned somebody else for a hacked account "just for fun" without really having any evidence (change in behaviour, corp theft, ...) he would be banned in return for knowingly wrong accusation. Key here is: You can only notice change of behaviour if you are standing close to the other character. Petitioning a hostile fleet commander shortly before a battle just to keep him from participating is probably one of the easiest things to spot. BoB obviously had a good reason to have the account checked for signs of hacking.
Zombak Caldari Shooshpunk	Posted - 2007.07.18 18:31:00 - [35] Edited by: Zombak on 18/07/2007 18:30:58 Originally by: Richard Aiel This is so... cmon... admit that dude was instabanned not because he was being suspected of hacking or it was a big corp theft, but cause its BoB we ALL know it... You can say it... cmon... fess up for once... it will help PR Just a clarification for you sir, not about one internet spaceship group with everything else, but rather with some player petitioning other to get out of sticky in game situation. Your dread being killed =no problemo.My attacker's character was hacked. Bah - insta ban. You're home free. This is EvE releated English Signature: Hacking-Archeology- eXtreme-Yet-Usual
fightnkill Dark Blade Incorporated	Posted - 2007.07.18 18:32:00 - [36] Originally by: Richard Aiel hey this was locked just a second ago... "De-CliCk"
Richard Aiel Caldari MicroFunks	Posted - 2007.07.18 18:40:00 - [37] Originally by: Eskona Runningstar BoB obviously had a good reason to have the account checked for signs of hacking. yeah... they were thieved for over 100 billion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yay! I can come up with good ideas too! http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=548436&page=2
Disteeler Moritso Technologies	Posted - 2007.07.18 18:41:00 - [38] If the thief was really an account hacked then you'll realize it then reimburse all BoB assets back (you have logs), but there is not any need to ban him until hacking is proven because if the thief is legit then you just stopped him doing what he enjoys doing (thou I hate EvE thieves, it's part of this "world simulation"). So by banning him you just broke logics and helped the robbed on securing the left assets by giving him some time. So, I just gonna say you acted wrongly imho.
Disteeler Moritso Technologies	Posted - 2007.07.18 18:44:00 - [39] Ah I forgot to add I hope you investigate the guy who reported the presumpt hacker and punish him or something. You don't want to see "hacking account petition" for every capital ship that passes by and threaten some group of players.
Eskona Runningstar Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.07.18 18:49:00 - [40] Edited by: Eskona Runningstar on 18/07/2007 18:51:02 Originally by: Disteeler If the thief was really an account hacked then you'll realize it then reimburse all BoB assets back (you have logs), but there is not any need to ban him until hacking is proven because if the thief is legit then you just stopped him doing what he enjoys doing (thou I hate EvE thieves, it's part of this "world simulation"). So by banning him you just broke logics and helped the robbed on securing the left assets by giving him some time. So, I just gonna say you acted wrongly imho. CCP has two choices: a) Dont do anything, see the assets being sold / donated / whatever, and then find out that it actually was a hacked account and roll back tons of transactions involving dozens of players, most of which bought items legally on the market and didnt know they were stolen. So what do you do if CCP takes off your tech-2 shield booster in mid-fight because it was stolen from somebody else and then sold to you on the market? The money that just entered your wallet from the transaction reversal doesnt really help you. - or - b) Ban the supposed hacked account to keep the stolen items in quarantine, then investigate, and then open up the account if nothing is found. The second option is more fair to the customer base overall, and a lot easier to manage (and it requires fewer support staff hours, leaving CS free to deal with more important things).

CCP Wrangler	Posted - 2007.07.18 18:59:00 - [41] Originally by: Hurad Takor So you will bann the Evolution guy that wrote the petition that the guy were hacked? Will you pay this guy wo were banned cause anyone told it to you his money back for the time he couldnt play? Who we ban or don't ban is between us and the player, we do not give out that kind of information to third parties. The banned player will be compensated for the period his account was banned, yes. And we're now getting to the point where we should be looking into tech 3 tinfoil hats, locked. Wrangler Community Manager EVE Online Contact Support - Contact Moderators - Report Bug - Submit News Leads - Knowledge Base Player Guide - Policies - Join ISD - Fan Submissions - DevFinder LiteÖ

Junkie Beverage GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.18 19:03:00 - [42] Based on what time cards are going for, BoB lost between 10 and 30 thousand USD worth of isk, CCP took quick and decisive action because of the massive amount. If you don't think that you would get the same attention from a $30,000 transaction you should probably take a long, hard look in the mirror. Stupid.

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