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Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.24 04:19:00 - [1] Edited by: Shamis Orzoz on 24/07/2007 04:20:11 Quote: 2007.07.24 03:59:03 Combat Your 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II lightly hits Tancred [FRICK](Megathron), doing 52.2 damage. This evening I watched a FRICK megathron undock from lxw and head to RO9O. So I chased in my vaga. I caught up with him in MA-V. I know FRICK are well respected in the eve community, so I figured this guy might actually be looking for a fight. I made sure to stay out of web range in case he had blasters. I was so focused on getting him scrambled and staying out of web range, that I never noticed him log out. I was happily digging into his armor when he went poof... I normally wouldn't bother reporting such a thing. I typically have somewhere between 10-40 people log out on me every month. But FRICK!!! I thought more of you. I hope something is done. And I'm certain the logout was deliberate. The guy saw me on the gate behind him. He jumped and logged. Then he logged back in about 3 minutes later to see if he was still alive, which he was. He sabotaged his warp and logged out again. Shamis
Khorian Gallente Excidium.	Posted - 2007.07.24 04:34:00 - [2] Is this really worth a new topic?
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.24 04:37:00 - [3] Originally by: Khorian Is this really worth a new topic? yes. This isn't xelas, this isn't some random carebear corp, this is one of the more respected merc organizations in eve.
Jacob Castillo Caldari Copperhead Inc. Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.24 05:02:00 - [4] Originally by: Khorian Is this really worth a new topic? Probably not, but it will probably create some interesting discussion, flames and stuff like that. Should be fun.
Superbus Maximus Gallente Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.24 05:07:00 - [5] Sh1t poster!!!!!!!!!!
murder one Gallente Death of Virtue FreeFall Securities	Posted - 2007.07.24 05:13:00 - [6] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Edited by: Shamis Orzoz on 24/07/2007 04:20:11 Quote: 2007.07.24 03:59:03 Combat Your 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II lightly hits Tancred [FRICK](Megathron), doing 52.2 damage. This evening I watched a FRICK megathron undock from lxw and head to RO9O. So I chased in my vaga. I caught up with him in MA-V. I know FRICK are well respected in the eve community, so I figured this guy might actually be looking for a fight. I made sure to stay out of web range in case he had blasters. I was so focused on getting him scrambled and staying out of web range, that I never noticed him log out. I was happily digging into his armor when he went poof... I normally wouldn't bother reporting such a thing. I typically have somewhere between 10-40 people log out on me every month. But FRICK!!! I thought more of you. I hope something is done. And I'm certain the logout was deliberate. The guy saw me on the gate behind him. He jumped and logged. Then he logged back in about 3 minutes later to see if he was still alive, which he was. He sabotaged his warp and logged out again. Shamis Flying a Vaga is the equivilant of logging off. That is all. Originally by: Goumindong it is at the point where it is impossible to determine whether or not you are trolling or if you area really out of your freaking mind.
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.24 05:24:00 - [7] Originally by: murder one Flying a Vaga is the equivilant of logging off. That is all.
Golden Helmet Caldari Team Americas	Posted - 2007.07.24 06:16:00 - [8] Originally by: murder one Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Edited by: Shamis Orzoz on 24/07/2007 04:20:11 Quote: 2007.07.24 03:59:03 Combat Your 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II lightly hits Tancred [FRICK](Megathron), doing 52.2 damage. This evening I watched a FRICK megathron undock from lxw and head to RO9O. So I chased in my vaga. I caught up with him in MA-V. I know FRICK are well respected in the eve community, so I figured this guy might actually be looking for a fight. I made sure to stay out of web range in case he had blasters. I was so focused on getting him scrambled and staying out of web range, that I never noticed him log out. I was happily digging into his armor when he went poof... I normally wouldn't bother reporting such a thing. I typically have somewhere between 10-40 people log out on me every month. But FRICK!!! I thought more of you. I hope something is done. And I'm certain the logout was deliberate. The guy saw me on the gate behind him. He jumped and logged. Then he logged back in about 3 minutes later to see if he was still alive, which he was. He sabotaged his warp and logged out again. Shamis Flying a Vaga is the equivilant of logging off. That is all. Someones been killed by a Vaga recently
Mangold Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.07.24 08:08:00 - [9] Vagas suck. There's no room for loot in them.
Logi3 Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.07.24 08:12:00 - [10] Edited by: Logi3 on 24/07/2007 08:12:17 Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Edited by: Shamis Orzoz on 24/07/2007 04:20:11 Quote: 2007.07.24 03:59:03 Combat Your 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II lightly hits Tancred [FRICK](Megathron), doing 52.2 damage. This evening I watched a FRICK megathron undock from lxw and head to RO9O. So I chased in my vaga. I caught up with him in MA-V. I know FRICK are well respected in the eve community, so I figured this guy might actually be looking for a fight. I made sure to stay out of web range in case he had blasters. I was so focused on getting him scrambled and staying out of web range, that I never noticed him log out. I was happily digging into his armor when he went poof... I normally wouldn't bother reporting such a thing. I typically have somewhere between 10-40 people log out on me every month. But FRICK!!! I thought more of you. I hope something is done. And I'm certain the logout was deliberate. The guy saw me on the gate behind him. He jumped and logged. Then he logged back in about 3 minutes later to see if he was still alive, which he was. He sabotaged his warp and logged out again. Shamis The true problem is in bold, you lack of skill points in gunnery clearly need to be improved, if you done the damage you would of killed him! TBH You need to stop the science and industry skills on get them in Gunnery /serious on I hate loggers, i think its quite sad myself that people know there going to lose so log off to save them. Cowards way out. TBH theres no shame dying to another respectable PVP corp either
DarkElf Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.07.24 08:12:00 - [11] DE
LoganFire Amarr Quam Singulari M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.07.24 10:40:00 - [12] ur boring
Astro Teller Milf Riders	Posted - 2007.07.24 10:58:00 - [13] eve is a PVP game- you use all mechanics to get ahead- welcome to PVP ----Astro Teller
Neena Valdi Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.07.24 11:01:00 - [14] This is a serious crime FRICK! This forum would crash if there were a separate topic for each one player who logged off. Also you can't really know if he logged off intentionally or not (in the perfect world Windows never crushes, the ISP always provides perfectly stable connection, etc - etc).
Awox Advanced Logistics	Posted - 2007.07.24 11:04:00 - [15] "well respected merc organisations" rofl. Seriously, you didn't think they were above this did you? No matter how cool the corp is don't be surprised if some ***** is in there. Unless you start your own corp and filter out all the *****s you are bound to have one guy join that thinks it is okay to log off to save his stupid ass. When I was in INFOD one time one of the new recruits seemed familiar.. after some thinking I realised he had logged off on me in the past. I made him undock and after showing fraps to a director we podded him. So if you fraps/screenshot these encounters perhaps you can hold hope for something like this to happen for you in the future. It felt good.. real good. - Security Director Advanced Logistics
Setana Manoro Gallente Firefly Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.24 11:08:00 - [16] Originally by: Astro Teller eve is a PVP game- you use all mechanics to get ahead- welcome to PVP What are you, CCP ? Show me how the use of a mechanic close to being clasified as exploit is OK ? If you didn't figure out what i was talking off, that guy entered a char on the same account so that his FRICK main can be safe, or the vaga would have killed him in that 15 min agro. Caldari are the plague of EVE, little whiners that must be cleansed from TQ.
hUssmann Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.07.24 11:11:00 - [17] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Originally by: murder one Flying a Vaga is the equivilant of logging off. That is all. x2 Ginger Magician > You are merely an effective ganker of haulers who runs at the first sign of combat.
Mr Li	Posted - 2007.07.24 11:33:00 - [18] the only "rule" broken was a highly disputed social more, not quite a norm. If FRICK cares i'm sure they'll do something. Personally, i don't see the big deal that someone doesn't get their killmail.
Boonaki Caldari Knights of Chaos Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2007.07.24 11:48:00 - [19] I would say it's your fault for not killing him in the time alloted. Fit more damage mods. Fear the Ibis of doom! 113
DarkElf Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.07.24 11:53:00 - [20] Originally by: Astro Teller eve is a PVP game- you use all mechanics to get ahead- welcome to PVP Just no... And nobody is saying they are breaking the game rules here, however some corps make a reputation for them based on honor and being respected. Fricks i believe is one of those. This kind of action makes most serious long term pvp'ers have a low opinion of the corp. We'll see what a rep of fricks says. DE
Gunner Cid The Carebear Stare	Posted - 2007.07.24 13:04:00 - [21] He may just have ****ty net, atm I currently play on satellite internet that I share with 20 other people, so I know all too well how much of a pita it is dcing every time you gate in a sys, warp to a belt, use scanner on a full sys, etc etc. It comes and goes based off weather/amount of user on net. People who do log intentionally to save ship/pod are lame IMO, however, I think we should at least wait for a response from the individual before just assuming that they logged intentionally. I know if I crashed in cmbt and kept crashing when I would try to relog in I would want someone to give me the benefit of the doubt.
Tobias Sjodin Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.07.24 13:34:00 - [22] Originally by: Gunner Cid He may just have ****ty net There is no such thing as coincidence. - Recruitment open again-
Ssoraszh Tzarszh Minmatar Grumpy Old Farts Gruntfuttocks	Posted - 2007.07.24 13:44:00 - [23] Like he will come here and cryingly admit his guilt and promises he'll never do it again Yeh, logging off is lame, but people are getting fed up seeing the same ships apear on overview too. Vaga, Curse. Theres no end to them, caldari spec vets flying vaga's "cause they cant be killed" are swarming everywhere. I probably won't ever log, unless its in a fleetbattle 200+ to save my pod. But i cn understand the utter frustration of people to be attacked by ever the same ship over and over and over and over and over and over ..again. I'm just waiting for the next nerf to these ships so all these caldari spec "flavor of the month" crapola will finaly stop and they move on to another 99% safe way to gank someone. Which will take them anotehr 5 months to train and 9 to fly it properly aka not nooblike damage. And yes i can fly vaga's too and no i am not bitter i was killed by one.
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.24 14:31:00 - [24] Edited by: Shamis Orzoz on 24/07/2007 14:31:55 Originally by: Ssoraszh Tzarszh Like he will come here and cryingly admit his guilt and promises he'll never do it again Yeh, logging off is lame, but people are getting fed up seeing the same ships apear on overview too. Vaga, Curse. Theres no end to them, caldari spec vets flying vaga's "cause they cant be killed" are swarming everywhere. I probably won't ever log, unless its in a fleetbattle 200+ to save my pod. But i cn understand the utter frustration of people to be attacked by ever the same ship over and over and over and over and over and over ..again. I'm just waiting for the next nerf to these ships so all these caldari spec "flavor of the month" crapola will finaly stop and they move on to another 99% safe way to gank someone. Which will take them anotehr 5 months to train and 9 to fly it properly aka not nooblike damage. And yes i can fly vaga's too and no i am not bitter i was killed by one. The vaga was already nerfed. In order to make it difficult to kill you have to spend a lot of money on implants. Hugins/rapiers do the job just fine. But there is no excuse in a megathron. A solo blasterthron pilot can take out a vaga easy, or at the very least, make the vaga run away. I'm guessing this guy had a fleet fitting on and knew he was dead. But lets look at legitimate ways this guy could have escaped: - He could have put on 1 stab! I was by myself. - He could have stayed on the gate until I aggroed him, then jumped through. In order to force me to aggro he could have tried to warp off the gate. - once he was gone, he could've made a safespot, waited a little while and then logged. There really wasn't much of a chance for me to kill him by myself, eve favors runners almost as much as loggers. He was on a gate, and I had no web. I see no evidence that would indicate that he crashed.The quick login/logout afterward leaves no doubt in my mind.
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.24 14:34:00 - [25] CCP is the real problem though. Until these things get fixed, eve will be crap: - It has to be possible to aggro people anytime before their ship disappears - jumping through gates should NOT clear aggro. - NPC's need to aggro, or there needs to be a delay on local. Ctrl Q should not be the preferred way of escaping potential hostiles in local.
SasRipper DIE WITH HONOUR	Posted - 2007.07.24 14:55:00 - [26] who was it? new guy? have your tried talking about it in there pub? or mailing a senior meamber? and are your sure it may not have just been a crash of some discription ? snip Sas has spoken this tread shall be locked.
Karlemgne The Malevolent	Posted - 2007.07.24 15:41:00 - [27] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Originally by: murder one Flying a Vaga is the equivilant of logging off. That is all. I fly a Vaga and I agree. Speed tanking is dumb... I mean, I know you really wanted that kill... but lets be fair... If you are in a ship and can do nothing to fight back, because you're ECM'd, Sensor Dampened, or being orbited so fast you might as well be one of those other two things, then there isn't much of a fight. Why should he stay logged on just to pop without being able to really fire a shot? -Karlemgne
Karlemgne The Malevolent	Posted - 2007.07.24 15:41:00 - [28] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Originally by: murder one Flying a Vaga is the equivilant of logging off. That is all. I fly a Vaga and I agree. Speed tanking is dumb... I mean, I know you really wanted that kill... but lets be fair... If you are in a ship and can do nothing to fight back, because you're ECM'd, Sensor Dampened, or being orbited so fast you might as well be one of those other two things, then there isn't much of a fight. Why should he stay logged on just to pop without being able to really fire a shot? -Karlemgne
Chode Rizoum Minmatar Endgame.	Posted - 2007.07.24 15:50:00 - [29] he prop had buisness to do on his bob account! "ohh no he didten!" My Personal Killboard
SasRipper DIE WITH HONOUR	Posted - 2007.07.24 15:53:00 - [30] Originally by: Chode Rizoum "ohh no he didten!" OHH YES HE DID! btw this is not CAOD no panto here! snip Sas has spoken this tread shall be locked.
Ssoraszh Tzarszh Minmatar Grumpy Old Farts Gruntfuttocks	Posted - 2007.07.24 15:53:00 - [31] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Edited by: Shamis Orzoz on 24/07/2007 14:31:55 Originally by: Ssoraszh Tzarszh Like he will come here and cryingly admit his guilt and promises he'll never do it again Yeh, logging off is lame, but people are getting fed up seeing the same ships apear on overview too. Vaga, Curse. Theres no end to them, caldari spec vets flying vaga's "cause they cant be killed" are swarming everywhere. I probably won't ever log, unless its in a fleetbattle 200+ to save my pod. But i cn understand the utter frustration of people to be attacked by ever the same ship over and over and over and over and over and over ..again. I'm just waiting for the next nerf to these ships so all these caldari spec "flavor of the month" crapola will finaly stop and they move on to another 99% safe way to gank someone. Which will take them anotehr 5 months to train and 9 to fly it properly aka not nooblike damage. And yes i can fly vaga's too and no i am not bitter i was killed by one. The vaga was already nerfed. In order to make it difficult to kill you have to spend a lot of money on implants. Hugins/rapiers do the job just fine. But there is no excuse in a megathron. A solo blasterthron pilot can take out a vaga easy, or at the very least, make the vaga run away. I'm guessing this guy had a fleet fitting on and knew he was dead. But lets look at legitimate ways this guy could have escaped: - He could have put on 1 stab! I was by myself. - He could have stayed on the gate until I aggroed him, then jumped through. In order to force me to aggro he could have tried to warp off the gate. - once he was gone, he could've made a safespot, waited a little while and then logged. There really wasn't much of a chance for me to kill him by myself, eve favors runners almost as much as loggers. He was on a gate, and I had no web. I see no evidence that would indicate that he crashed.The quick login/logout afterward leaves no doubt in my mind. Obviously the nerf was not good enough, you still see both these ships running rampant everywhere you enter 0.0. Does not matter which side of the universe your on theres bound to be roaming vaga/curses there.
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.24 16:19:00 - [32] Edited by: Shamis Orzoz on 24/07/2007 16:19:06 Originally by: Karlemgne If you are in a ship and can do nothing to fight back, because you're ECM'd, Sensor Dampened, or being orbited so fast you might as well be one of those other two things, then there isn't much of a fight. If you fly solo in a fleet fitted megathron without a scout, you deserve to die. A megathron pilot fitted for solo PvP should be able to either kill or escape from a either a vaga or a curse if he's anywhere near a gate. And he should be able to kill the vaga pilot if he gets sloppy, or doesn't have snake implants.
mikaelim	Posted - 2007.07.24 16:22:00 - [33] Originally by: Karlemgne I fly a Vaga and I agree. Speed tanking is dumb... I mean, I know you really wanted that kill... but lets be fair... So then why do you fly vaga? Originally by: Karlemgne If you are in a ship and can do nothing to fight back, because you're ECM'd, Sensor Dampened, or being orbited so fast you might as well be one of those other two things, then there isn't much of a fight. So if there won't be much of a fight logging is ok? If you are caught in your hauler/barge by virtually any combat ship you may log? If you see a long range ceptor with which you wont be able to deal you may log? If you have no injector and see a nos boat you may log? If you are in a cruiser and a bs catches you you may log? If you jump into a big camp you may log? If you see a recon you are generally allowed to log? etc. etc. Must be an easy way of living... Not for me though. Originally by: Karlemgne Why should he stay logged on just to pop without being able to really fire a shot? Why would you stay logged if you can fire a shot but will be destroyed anyway? Why would anyone who loses ever stay logged? Maybe being ewared is more frustrating than being eaten by some big fat gunship but if you never had a chance to win anyway - where is the difference? You are just like murder1 and the other whiners. Megathron and ishtar are underpowered because he flies them and curse and vaga are lame because he doesnt fly them. Its really that simple. But maybe you are even worse me thinks. Because you even fly that vaga yourself. Thats the biggest hypocrisy i've ever seen. Not that i'd be surprised after all. Despite your constant effort to look all noble and "honourable" on this forum you have admittedly broken 1vs1. Now you are a logoffski or at least promoting it. Now i think even Racketeers are better than you - at least they freely admit they're lamers.
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.24 16:22:00 - [34] Originally by: SasRipper who was it? new guy? have your tried talking about it in there pub? or mailing a senior meamber? and are your sure it may not have just been a crash of some discription ? read the OP for the name. It was a 3 year member of their corp. I did mail the ceo, he said that the guy probably did't log out deliberately. A reasonable response, but I don't think its true in this case. I could be wrong, but with no major blobs in the area, nobody else in local, and past peak euro times, I'd be shocked if he lagged/crashed/desynched. And I doubt his internet went down becuase he logged right back in. IF that was the case he'd probably stay logged in, but no, he logged back out again to make sure he wouldn't warp back to the gate.
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.24 16:35:00 - [35] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz I hope something is done. Such as? - THIS FLEET FOR RENT!
Karlemgne The Malevolent	Posted - 2007.07.24 16:53:00 - [36] Edited by: Karlemgne on 24/07/2007 16:58:55 Edited by: Karlemgne on 24/07/2007 16:57:42 Quote: So then why do you fly vaga? Duh!? Because I'm Minmatar, and I readily admit that the ship is overpowered. I'd be a fool to not fly one. Though, I will say, the Vaga is not nearly as game breaking as the Nanophoon was. Quote: So if there won't be much of a fight logging is ok? Is it okay? That's really a matter of subjectivity, as you are assigning an ethical value to "logging" or "not logging" out of an MMO to save your ship. Generally, I frown on this behavior, and I might have a few choice words (unrepeatable here) for my corp mates on vent. Now having said that, I understand why some people do this. Nothing is more frustrating than being say, perma-jammed by 20 ECM drones in a fight that you'll know you'll lose, but know that you could have taken someone with you. That's why I'd never post about someone logging on the forums. Quote: If you are caught in your hauler/barge by virtually any combat ship you may log? Well, the bears can go ahead and try this tactic. Anything short of a Freighter, however I'll have it killed far before it the ship vanishes. This tactic is only really possible with combat ships battle cruiser and up, and Freighters. And it will only succeed generally if someone is flying a Battleship, Capital ship, or Freighter. Quote: If you see a long range ceptor with which you wont be able to deal you may log? If you have no injector and see a nos boat you may log? If you are in a cruiser and a bs catches you you may log? If you jump into a big camp you may log? If you see a recon you are generally allowed to log? etc. etc. Again, are you asking me if I think it is "right" to log in these situations? Quite frankly, you can log whenever you feel like it. Its a game and cntrl-q allows you to close it, and return to your real life. If you are asking how I "feel" about people logging to avoid combat, see above--I don't like it always, but I understand why some people do it. Quote: Must be an easy way of living... Not for me though. I wouldn't know, I generally stay logged in, even if I'm sensor damped, ecmed, and NoSed to the point I can't do a god damned thing. Quote: Why would you stay logged if you can fire a shot but will be destroyed anyway? Why would anyone who loses ever stay logged? Because if there is a chance you might win, you stay logged in. Because if you are going to be ganked, but know you might be able to put up a good fight and take someone out with you, you might stay logged in. Honestly, there is nothing better than being blobbed by 20 people, but taking 3 of them out before you pop. Quote: Maybe being ewared is more frustrating than being eaten by some big fat gunship but if you never had a chance to win anyway - where is the difference? Is there a difference between losing to someone because you are out gunned, or because you are perma-jammed? Yes, at the very least, being out gunned always you to try and fight back. You activate your guns, and hope for the best. Sitting there, not able to even toggle on half of your modules, or use your drones, sucks. It may be likely that a fish on your hook might be your dinner, but if said fish is also in a barrel, its almost impossible that he won't. Quote: You are just like murder1 and the other whiners. I haven't whined about anything. Trying to explain someone's behavior in the context of a game is most decidedly not whining. Quote: blah... blah... overpowerd... blah... blah hypocrisy I have made video games for a living, specifically MMOs, and I hate to tell you, there IS such a thing as un-balanced gameplay. That's why nano-fibers got nerfed... not because some people "whined," but because the people WHO MADE THE GAME realized that nanos fitted to some ships UNBALANCED the game. As to me flying a ship I know to be unbalanced? Well, sure I do. I never said anyone shouldn't
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.24 16:54:00 - [37] Originally by: Seleene Originally by: Shamis Orzoz I hope something is done. Such as? Publicly or privately state either that: - you don't care - you are investigating it - you don't believe me There are lots of possibilities under the category of something, other than nothing.
Karlemgne The Malevolent	Posted - 2007.07.24 16:56:00 - [38] (cont) Quote: Not that i'd be surprised after all. Despite your constant effort to look all noble and "honourable" on this forum you have admittedly broken 1vs1. I violated a SINGLE 1v1, and instantly came to these forums and explained why. I didn't hide it, I came here, told everyone what happened and why--Voodo had intentionally scanned us out and attacked us while we were in the middle of a convo with the M34N ceo about a standings set. Quote: Now you are a logoffski or at least promoting it. No, I am explaining the behavior. That's it, and suggesting that given the situation, it isn't really worth coming to the forums with. Quote: Now i think even Racketeers are better than you - at least they freely admit they're lamers. Perhaps that's because you are a Racketeers alt? Posting with alts ftl. Have the courage to post with your main. -Karlemgne
Dee London	Posted - 2007.07.24 17:16:00 - [39] jeez... and EVE is full of children I think the subscription fee should be higher
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.24 17:16:00 - [40] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Originally by: Seleene Originally by: Shamis Orzoz I hope something is done. Such as? Publicly or privately state either that: - you don't care - you are investigating it - you don't believe me There are lots of possibilities under the category of something, other than nothing. You know, I've seen some pretty lame ** in the past few years myself, m8. Most of us who have been shooting people for 3-4 years now could probably write a small novel about the nonsense we've seen. SHC has some great posts about this. I'm not sure why you feel this incident, not even 24 hours old, deserves a public post. If you wanted some real answers, if this was that important to you, you could have simply waited a bit and shot me a mail on it (there wasn't one as of an hour or so ago). I'm unclear as to why you felt the need to make a public spectacle out of this. There are some alliances in this game who make it a policy of logging out entire fleets**. Where is your indignation about them? Do I care? Sure. Tancred hasn't been very active lately, so I assume he was simply moving his ship out of our previous contract area. I'll ask about it and see what is said. Personally, I would have fit 5 WCS and a pair of i-stabs. - THIS FLEET FOR RENT!
mikaelim	Posted - 2007.07.24 17:27:00 - [41] Originally by: Karlemgne I violated a SINGLE 1v1, and instantly came to these forums and explained why. I didn't hide it, I came here, told everyone what happened and why--Voodo had intentionally scanned us out and attacked us while we were in the middle of a convo with the M34N ceo about a standings set. Yes, thats what i pointed out. You may see this as justification but its only an excuse. Thats a very different issue. Btw: The only chatlogs posted said they were resetting standings if i remember it correctly. Quote: Now you are a logoffski or at least promoting it. Originally by: Karlemgne No, I am explaining the behavior. That's it, and suggesting that given the situation, it isn't really worth coming to the forums with. Thats semantics - but if it makes you feel better about it so be it. Apart from that you weren't able to explain why it is different to log in any situation where you have no chance as opposed to only logging when you are ewared or "vagabonded". Quote: Now i think even Racketeers are better than you - at least they freely admit they're lamers. Originally by: Karlemgne Perhaps that's because you are a Racketeers alt? I guess in that case i'd try to recruit you. Originally by: Karlemgne Posting with alts ftl. Have the courage to post with your main. Yeah alt posting is lame. Logging with your main in combat is fine and understandable as you said. Shame on me.
Traxio Nacho Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.24 17:31:00 - [42] Edited by: Traxio Nacho on 24/07/2007 17:32:41
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.24 17:38:00 - [43] Originally by: Seleene I'm not sure why you feel this incident, not even 24 hours old, deserves a public post. If you wanted some real answers, if this was that important to you, you could have simply waited a bit and shot me a mail on it (there wasn't one as of an hour or so ago). I'm unclear as to why you felt the need to make a public spectacle out of this. There are some alliances in this game who make it a policy of logging out entire fleets. Where is your indignation about them? My apologies for not contacting you. I sent an email to the sharks ceo. I never thought to contact you. I am very upset with the logging mechanics at the moment, and the constant abuse of said tactics. I guess the only reason I'm making an issue is because I saw FRICK on the ticker and never for a second expected something lame like this. Its a tribute to your organization that I would even bother mentioning it. And sorry for making it public, but I think I just snapped. I have so many people log out on me every day, to have a FRICK mega do it to me was just too much to bear. I'm just an old pirate trying to get back to basics, and finding out that the way I used to live is no longer viable due to these game mechanics...i'm rather disgusted. In fact, rather than even asking this FRICK guy why he logged, I'd much rather have you ask CCP what they plan on doing about it? You are buddy buddy with the CCP crew, I'm sure you could pressure them for an answer much better than me. So forgive this guy for his logging, and instead direct your inquiry to CCP, ask them if they EVER plan on increasing the time between logout and POOF. Ask them if they ever plan on allowing aggro on a ship before it disappears? Ask them if they think its reasonable to have a PvP game where ctrl q gets people out 90% of the time? Also ask them if they think jumping through a gate should clear all aggro timers?
Neurotic Cat Gallente Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.24 18:10:00 - [44] I have flown in Sharks with Tancred for over 3 years. He is a very valuable member of my corp and I have mountains of respect for him. He has no history of asshatery or bogus in game tactics. You on the other hand appear to be a bottom feeding forum troll looking to stir up a little drama storm. FRICK does not condone logging off to save ships. If this becomes an issue I'll start spanking people. But as of right now this case is closed. NC - the Frickin CEO of the Sharks with Lasers
Tassi Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.07.24 18:30:00 - [45] Originally by: Neurotic Cat I have flown in Sharks with Tancred for over 3 years. He is a very valuable member of my corp and I have mountains of respect for him. He has no history of asshatery or bogus in game tactics. You on the other hand appear to be a bottom feeding forum troll looking to stir up a little drama storm. FRICK does not condone logging off to save ships. If this becomes an issue I'll start spanking people. But as of right now this case is closed. NC - the Frickin CEO of the Sharks with Lasers Sham is definitly not a bottom feeding forum troll I can assure you this. To see a member of the Mercenary Coalition safing his ship by logging off is DEFINITLY disturbing. Afterall its your reputation that gets you the contracts and logging off is never good for somebodies reputation. Originally by: fire 59 i don't know of any bobs that have cheated
Kadoe Amarr Blade Holding Blade.	Posted - 2007.07.24 19:13:00 - [46] Originally by: Tassi Sham is definitly not a bottom feeding forum troll I can assure you this. To see a member of the Mercenary Coalition safing his ship by logging off is DEFINITLY disturbing. Afterall its your reputation that gets you the contracts and logging off is never good for somebodies reputation. Sorry what? One FRICK member logging for whatever reason wont make MC any less successful on contracts, what gets them jobs is their ability to complete a contract to and above a satisfactory level, and past history reflects that quite well. I'd pay for results, and ignore the method (Not saying MC are dodgey, just saying "IF").
Intigo Amarr The League of Legitimate Nigerian Businessmen	Posted - 2007.07.24 19:30:00 - [47] What's even more amazing is the sheer stupidity of that Megathron. He could just have had you aggro him on the other side, then run back to gate (if you can't tank a bloody Vagabond before you fly 15km UNWEBBED in a Megathron then you need to quit EVE), jump through while you had timer and run off. Instead he logs off and loses his ship. Incredible. --
Julien Derida Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.24 20:15:00 - [48] Originally by: Tassi Sham is definitly not a bottom feeding forum troll I can assure you this. Don't you think it's strange that the guy who released Kugutsumen on the community has suddenly developed a sense of e-honour? Doesn't that ring the troll-bells for you? ---------------------------------------- Chief Inspector of the Style Police - FRICK
Khavi Vetali Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.07.24 21:22:00 - [49] Originally by: Intigo Instead he logs off and loses his ship. Ship wasn't lost, read more carefully. Anyway, bringing something like this to the forums means you A) want to make it public for propaganda reasons, B) to provoke a response, or C) to whine. I'm guessing it was B) in this case, but I'd have waited more than 24 hours for a response before making it public. Quote: Tyger! Tyger! burning bright; In the forests of the night, What immortal hand or eye; Could frame thy fearful symmetry?
Gaige Gamba	Posted - 2007.07.24 21:23:00 - [50] Originally by: Setana Manoro Originally by: Astro Teller stuff What are you, CCP ? Show me how the use of a mechanic close to being clasified as exploit is OK ? If you didn't figure out what i was talking off, that guy entered a char on the same account so that his FRICK main can be safe, or the vaga would have killed him in that 15 min agro. Close to being classified? It technically is. It uses a game mechanic (emergency warp when logged off and not in a bubble) for purposes outside its intended use (consciously logging in order to trigger an emergency warp, as opposed to the emergency warp being triggered upon loss of connection to avoid undue ship loss) for personal gain (their ship stays intact because the emergency warp allows them to avoid a combat situation they felt they would lose). Simple as that. CCP has no way to prove whether it was either, though, so they cannot reasonably classify all the many cases that come up as exploits. Originally by: Llerrad Gabemid holy damn, the pirate forum is like 10x less usefull than any of the other already un-usefull forums.
Intigo Amarr The League of Legitimate Nigerian Businessmen	Posted - 2007.07.24 21:57:00 - [51] Edited by: Intigo on 24/07/2007 21:56:57 Originally by: Khavi Vetali Originally by: Intigo Instead he logs off and loses his ship. Ship wasn't lost, read more carefully. My bad, I thought his "poof" was a case of him dying fast due to having no hardeners or damage control on. I'm silly. :p --
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.24 21:59:00 - [52] Edited by: Shamis Orzoz on 24/07/2007 22:01:06 Originally by: Julien Derida Originally by: Tassi Sham is definitly not a bottom feeding forum troll I can assure you this. Don't you think it's strange that the guy who released Kugutsumen on the community has suddenly developed a sense of e-honour? Doesn't that ring the troll-bells for you? I have never condoned logging to save one's ship, and we've kicked out at least 20 people in the last 3 years because of it. Kugutsumen is not part of this discussion, and I won't bother debating about him since I'm certain you believe all of the crap digitalcommunist made up about him. You've got ex-snigg in your midst, who I'm sure can confirm my sincerity with regards to this issue.
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.24 22:08:00 - [53] Originally by: Neurotic Cat You on the other hand appear to be a bottom feeding forum troll looking to stir up a little drama storm. FRICK does not condone logging off to save ships. If this becomes an issue I'll start spanking people. But as of right now this case is closed. You could have at least pretended like you were going to conduct an unbiased investigation.
Julien Derida Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.24 22:37:00 - [54] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Originally by: Julien Derida Don't you think it's strange that the guy who released Kugutsumen on the community has suddenly developed a sense of e-honour? Doesn't that ring the troll-bells for you? I have never condoned logging to save one's ship, and we've kicked out at least 20 people in the last 3 years because of it. Kugutsumen is not part of this discussion, and I won't bother debating about him since I'm certain you believe all of the crap digitalcommunist made up about him. You've got ex-snigg in your midst, who I'm sure can confirm my sincerity with regards to this issue. I'd love to believe you, as I used to think highly of you. Unfortunately, the way I've seen you behave here and on SHC over the last six months has left me with the sad opinion that you have become a troll. The ex-snigg I know think similarly. If you were genuinely concerned or disappointed rather than attempting to throw mud at us, why didn't you wait for a private reply to your eve-mail rather than posting this thread 20 minutes after the incident? I can't see any motivation for posting so quickly, other than the desire to cause a public argument. ---------------------------------------- Chief Inspector of the Style Police - FRICK
Faekurias Federation Fleet Endless Horizon	Posted - 2007.07.24 22:41:00 - [55] was it Goldhorn!?!???!! GH <3 Give the Nighthawk back it's shieldrecharge!
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.24 23:00:00 - [56] Edited by: Shamis Orzoz on 24/07/2007 23:02:15 Originally by: Julien Derida I'd love to believe you, as I used to think highly of you. Unfortunately, the way I've seen you behave here and on SHC over the last six months has left me with the sad opinion that you have become a troll. The ex-snigg I know think similarly. If you were genuinely concerned or disappointed rather than attempting to throw mud at us, why didn't you wait for a private reply to your eve-mail rather than posting this thread 20 minutes after the incident? I can't see any motivation for posting so quickly, other than the desire to cause a public argument. If I was a troll I would've posted something like this: A FRICK pilot logged in combat today, its a shame that FRICK would condone such activity, but I guess I can't expect less from a bunch of bob pets. All FRICK pilots are lame loggers. That's a troll. Enjoy.
Jen Aeida	Posted - 2007.07.24 23:13:00 - [57] Edited by: Jen Aeida on 24/07/2007 23:13:23 Alt selection ****up
Julien Derida Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.24 23:15:00 - [58] Quote: If I was a troll I would've posted something like this: A FRICK pilot logged in combat today, its a shame that FRICK would condone such activity, but I guess I can't expect less from a bunch of bob pets. All FRICK pilots are lame loggers. That's a troll. Enjoy. I said you were a troll, not a cliched, ineffective, smack-talking troll. If you'd posted the above, people would have immediately called you out on it. Instead you took the cleverer and more effective 'polite troll' route. Nice try. For future reference, we don't condone logging out to save ships. If you catch one of our pilots doing it in the future, you can eve-mail us and we'll happily reprimand them. Conversely, if you try and make a fuss about it on the forums we'll probably just tell you to **** off. We're cranky like that. ---------------------------------------- Chief Inspector of the Style Police - FRICK
Ja'kar kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.07.25 00:01:00 - [59] fight! fight! fight! for a sec I thought I was in a klept post
vile56 Nubs. D-L	Posted - 2007.07.25 01:53:00 - [60] shamis being called a troll and mc bickering with him this IS the end of piracy/pvp. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sig removed. Is in appropriate for the forums. mail us with a link if you want to know why -Kaemonn ([email protected])
murder one Gallente Death of Virtue FreeFall Securities	Posted - 2007.07.25 02:20:00 - [61] Originally by: Golden Helmet Someones been killed by a Vaga recently Actually, I've literally never been killed by a Vaga before in my entire playing history in Eve, on any of my characters, which is kinda weird thinking about it just now, but w/e. I was just giving Shamis a hard time. Wasn't being serious lol. I think he appreciated my joke. Originally by: Goumindong it is at the point where it is impossible to determine whether or not you are trolling or if you area really out of your freaking mind.
Pandi Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.07.25 02:49:00 - [62] loggoffski its the new eve http://sigs.griefwatch.net/?howto=1&kb=collect&template=stargaze&name=pandi
Phelan Lore Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.25 05:00:00 - [63] Same thing just happened to me tonight. MC raven jumped in on a gate I was on, proceded to type a warning in local then log off. Quote: [04:53:14] MynLiu NicAtoch > Hostile vagabond in local He then logged back on and off again to cloak in a safe. -
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.25 05:12:00 - [64] Originally by: Phelan Lore Same thing just happened to me tonight. MC raven jumped in on a gate I was on, proceded to type a warning in local then log off. Quote: [04:53:14] MynLiu NicAtoch > Hostile vagabond in local He then logged back on and off again to cloak in a safe. TROLL
Ssoraszh Tzarszh Minmatar Grumpy Old Farts Gruntfuttocks	Posted - 2007.07.25 05:49:00 - [65] Haha, whatever, its not like anyone uses underhanded tactics and broken gamestats or mechanics for their advantage these day's. If MC is kicking your arse and theres nothing you can do who do you call? THE WTFFORUMDRAMABOMBTROLL Team, tatata. And dont give bull**** like: "Ive never logged out, you may, you may not, but docking counts the same, jumping gate is the same. They all let you safe your ship with a certaion degree of risk. eg people on the other side, probing if you dont log back in. And always there are threads on the forums about how lame running away is. Hell, it's all about the killmail, not about the fight, you were not looking for a fair fight noone is. Eve can't have fair fights remember?
pyrofox Mortis Angelus	Posted - 2007.07.25 07:20:00 - [66] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Edited by: Shamis Orzoz on 24/07/2007 04:20:11 Quote: 2007.07.24 03:59:03 Combat Your 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II lightly hits Tancred [FRICK](Megathron), doing 52.2 damage. This evening I watched a FRICK megathron undock from lxw and head to RO9O. So I chased in my vaga. I caught up with him in MA-V. I know FRICK are well respected in the eve community, so I figured this guy might actually be looking for a fight. I made sure to stay out of web range in case he had blasters. I was so focused on getting him scrambled and staying out of web range, that I never noticed him log out. I was happily digging into his armor when he went poof... I normally wouldn't bother reporting such a thing. I typically have somewhere between 10-40 people log out on me every month. But FRICK!!! I thought more of you. I hope something is done. And I'm certain the logout was deliberate. The guy saw me on the gate behind him. He jumped and logged. Then he logged back in about 3 minutes later to see if he was still alive, which he was. He sabotaged his warp and logged out again. Shamis When 49% of you guys stop hitting each other with handbags. The other 50% stop trying to make smart arse comments. Then some one actually takes time to address the pandemic act of logging cos your a major ass wipe and don't want to lose your ship thru your own stupidity or laziness. This is abuse of game mechanics and should be petitionable and therefore punishable. The "oh dear my game crashed as soon as i jumped thru the gate I relogged and crashed again in mid warp and oh dear now i appear to be at a safe spot oh dear me" ploy is utter taking the ****. Normally I would have qualms with "spilling the beans" but every numpty appears to be doing this on a regular basis as it seems this is hot press on the carebear jungle drums network service. Thankfully the last 2 numpties who tried this neglected to account for the fact we were patient enough to await there eventual relogging and coupled with their stupidity, they ungraciously lost their ships and pod, but pods you say? yes cos they logged again!!!! mr covert was ready that time tho
MynLiu NicAtoch Eternity INC.	Posted - 2007.07.25 14:34:00 - [67] Edited by: MynLiu NicAtoch on 25/07/2007 14:40:11 Originally by: Phelan Lore Same thing just happened to me tonight. MC raven jumped in on a gate I was on, proceded to type a warning in local then log off. Quote: [04:53:14] MynLiu NicAtoch > Hostile vagabond in local He then logged back on and off again to cloak in a safe. Actually, old boy, I was in a Dominix with six mining lasers sitting at the POS I'd warpped to when you entered local. I apologize if you felt your vagabond would have sat still long enough for the T1 drones on board it to engage them. For the record, my other two accounts in the system were in a Hulk, and a Mastadon. Neither of them would have been able to put up much of a fight either. The fifth contact in local, the Raven you saw, was from a farmer corp who rat in the area and which entered after you, and would have been set up for ratting against guristas .. ie torps and a kinetic/thermal tank. It wouldn't have had any webs fitted to keep you anywhere near to engage, and would have had no chance against you either. Whether the chap in it logged off and on again I can't tell. I do know that the fantasy that S*****rdly are out looking for 'fair pvp' is merely that - a fantasy. Carry on trolling.
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.25 15:50:00 - [68] Wow, I didn't realize MC had such disgruntled carebears. Sorry for phelan's error. I'm sure he just got confused when people started disappearing from local. And nobody ever said we were looking for fair fights, just a fair game.
Tassi Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.07.25 18:50:00 - [69] FRICK responses are very dissapointing to say the least. I wonder why so many people hold them this high tbfh. Originally by: fire 59 i don't know of any bobs that have cheated
DeckardIRL The Randoms	Posted - 2007.07.25 19:58:00 - [70] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz This isn't xelas, this isn't some random carebear corp, this is one of the more respected merc organizations in eve. Heheheee, methinks Shamis misses us? Deck Whiskey For COAD at its best
Gwoden Gallente Exa Utopia Exa Nation	Posted - 2007.07.25 20:17:00 - [71] what has always *****ed me up about these topic in ANY MMORPG. Is that people whine about wanting fair PVP fights. Those same people whine about how someone saw them and then suddenly logged out. The only reason why someone would immediately log out after seeing a hostile, is to save their arse because they don't stand a chance. So it's like the whiners want "fair PVP" as long as it means they can whomp on any defenceless target. I say, if someone decided to log, it wouldn't have been a good fight. Clearly you got the jump on him, or he was not fitted to fight. That's just one pointless easy PVP fight i don't have to endure. _______________________________________________ There is no "I can't" only "I will".
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.25 21:24:00 - [72] Originally by: Gwoden what has always *****ed me up about these topic in ANY MMORPG. Is that people whine about wanting fair PVP fights. Those same people whine about how someone saw them and then suddenly logged out. The only reason why someone would immediately log out after seeing a hostile, is to save their arse because they don't stand a chance. So it's like the whiners want "fair PVP" as long as it means they can whomp on any defenceless target. I say, if someone decided to log, it wouldn't have been a good fight. Clearly you got the jump on him, or he was not fitted to fight. That's just one pointless easy PVP fight i don't have to endure. Piracy was supposed to be a profession in eve. Piracy implies non-consentual PvP for profit. Not fair fights.
Bodhisattvas Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2007.07.26 01:24:00 - [73] Originally by: Gwoden what has always *****ed me up about these topic in ANY MMORPG. Is that people whine about wanting fair PVP fights. Those same people whine about how someone saw them and then suddenly logged out. The only reason why someone would immediately log out after seeing a hostile, is to save their arse because they don't stand a chance. So it's like the whiners want "fair PVP" as long as it means they can whomp on any defenceless target. I say, if someone decided to log, it wouldn't have been a good fight. Clearly you got the jump on him, or he was not fitted to fight. That's just one pointless easy PVP fight i don't have to endure. Its only a game, but a game for me at least where actions HAD direct consequences!! Blah blah pointless pvp fight blah blah Some people make iskies from destroying others toons ships and not just some deluded noble idea that ship kills should be earned from a equal ship kill basis. Logging off is like paying $60 for a console game then diving straight onto some search engine to look for cheats. You don't like the consequences of your own stupidity or laziness so you log. Perhaps being a carebear should be redefined as some one who does not like REAL risk, within the confines of the game that is.
Ssoraszh Tzarszh Minmatar Grumpy Old Farts Gruntfuttocks	Posted - 2007.07.26 04:59:00 - [74] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Originally by: Gwoden what has always *****ed me up about these topic in ANY MMORPG. Is that people whine about wanting fair PVP fights. Those same people whine about how someone saw them and then suddenly logged out. The only reason why someone would immediately log out after seeing a hostile, is to save their arse because they don't stand a chance. So it's like the whiners want "fair PVP" as long as it means they can whomp on any defenceless target. I say, if someone decided to log, it wouldn't have been a good fight. Clearly you got the jump on him, or he was not fitted to fight. That's just one pointless easy PVP fight i don't have to endure. Piracy was supposed to be a profession in eve. Piracy implies non-consentual PvP for profit. Not fair fights. So why come here expecting to find what exactly? A general concensus that when people can't fight due to lack of pvp fit in the future they will surely remain 20 from the gate? sit in a belt or duly undock without changing their setup? That never anyone in any pvpcorp will ever "dare" to try and get away from yet another one hundred and fiftieth vaga or curse roaming through their local? The targets you want wont ever have a fair fight anyway, so why on earth would you be served with a kill every single time? Logging out in combat remains a "don't" but i can kinda see people getting frustrated at every time they risk moving a ship or rat/mne that some random dude in a speedtank comes along and pops their ship with 100% guarantee. In the end CCP does not deem it exploiting, so all you can do is shout your misguided "e-honor" like so many people say. Eve ain't fair, deal with it. Your plethora of carebear kills had to.
doctorstupid2 Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.07.26 06:46:00 - [75] Edited by: doctorstupid2 on 26/07/2007 06:46:49 Originally by: Shamis Orzoz I normally wouldn't bother reporting such a thing. I typically have somewhere between 10-40 people log out on me every month. But FRICK!!! I thought more of you. I hope something is done. And I'm certain the logout was deliberate. The guy saw me on the gate behind him. He jumped and logged. Then he logged back in about 3 minutes later to see if he was still alive, which he was. He sabotaged his warp and logged out again. Shamis You know, I distinctly recall you logging a raven on me (maller) and someone else (geddon maybe?) in Impass, saying "[sic] why would I stay to fight when I know I can't win?" Hell I probably still ahve the logs. Don't see me starting threads about it, every entity in eve, no matter how respected they may be, has members that forego honor and etiquette in a moment of panic and log. I probably will regret posting this, as I intended to just move along, but what the hell. Just seems an inane thread to me, slightly hypocritical. I'm not condoning what the pilot did, nor am I condemning you, just a passing observation. Steel Rat > if they only knew we make this **** up as we go
Kaasil	Posted - 2007.07.26 11:57:00 - [76] This thread fails. seriously though, I don't see why you care if one guy from that corp logged out on you. Nobody gives any respect for people that get popped or die. Nobody.
DarkElf Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.07.26 11:58:00 - [77] Originally by: Kaasil Nobody gives any respect for people that get popped or die. Nobody. I'm afraid you're very wrong. DE
Karlemgne The Malevolent	Posted - 2007.07.26 14:06:00 - [78] Quote: Logging off is like paying $60 for a console game then diving straight onto some search engine to look for cheats. WHAT!? I thought everyone did this? -Karl
Belial02 Amarr The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.07.26 14:20:00 - [79] Originally by: murder one Flying a Vaga is the equivilant of logging off. That is all. Awww would a hug help? Originally by: Omeega diplomacy is f1, f2, f3, really...
Aaron Mirrorsaver The Coalition Of Buccaneers Mercenary Services	Posted - 2007.07.26 14:28:00 - [80] Quote: Obviously the nerf was not good enough, you still see both these ships running rampant everywhere you enter 0.0. Does not matter which side of the universe your on theres bound to be roaming vaga/curses there. oh noes people fly vagas and curses in numbers.... nerf them some more!!! That's like saying, people use battleships too much for fleet fights and for sniping. People use haulers for hauling too much! I want people to stay still so I can shoot them easily, keep them warp scrambled, and dont move so my guns dont miss plezzz ccp , plez!! I never thought the more elite players would whine because they came across something that proved a challenge to kill or that required some other tactic and lock, f1,f2,f3... there is conventional warefare and there is other warefare. These ships are small puny weak and easy to kill in a couple shots, some rely on speed, some rely on bonus' to electronic warfare. -- Greater Love hath no man than this; that a man lay down his life for his friends. Mercenary Services Recruiting
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.26 14:39:00 - [81] Originally by: doctorstupid2 You know, I distinctly recall you logging a raven on me (maller) and someone else (geddon maybe?) in Impass, saying "[sic] why would I stay to fight when I know I can't win?" Hell I probably still ahve the logs. Don't see me starting threads about it, every entity in eve, no matter how respected they may be, has members that forego honor and etiquette in a moment of panic and log. I probably will regret posting this, as I intended to just move along, but what the hell. Just seems an inane thread to me, slightly hypocritical. I'm not condoning what the pilot did, nor am I condemning you, just a passing observation. Indeed, there is no point in staying to fight a fight you can't win. However, I'm fairly certain that I would have said that from a safespot, and then logged. So are you trying to tell me you don't see the difference between logging out in a safespot, and logging out right after you jump so the guy chasing you can't kill you before you disappear?
Jessica Lorelei Minmatar Vitae Mecha	Posted - 2007.07.26 14:57:00 - [82] Originally by: Kaasil This thread fails. seriously though, I don't see why you care if one guy from that corp logged out on you. Nobody gives any respect for people that get popped or die. Nobody. WRONG! better to die trying than log. anyone that dies to me, gets instant respect. -NEVER CONFUSE OPINION WITH FACT-
max bygraves	Posted - 2007.07.26 17:55:00 - [83] Quote: And I'm certain the logout was deliberate. why ? elaborate more pls.
Gaius Kador PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.26 17:59:00 - [84] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Indeed, there is no point in staying to fight a fight you can't win. However, I'm fairly certain that I would have said that from a safespot, and then logged. So are you trying to tell me you don't see the difference between logging out in a safespot, and logging out right after you jump so the guy chasing you can't kill you before you disappear? QFT, cept sometimes its worth going down in a blaze of glory ;) The general attitude in this thread is pretty disappointing... ----------------------------------------------
Gwoden Gallente Exa Utopia Exa Nation	Posted - 2007.07.26 18:29:00 - [85] Edited by: Gwoden on 26/07/2007 18:30:24 Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Piracy was supposed to be a profession in eve. Piracy implies non-consentual PvP for profit. Not fair fights. Excatly! Then why are the same people complaining about wanting fair fights? IT's like they say, "Hey that's crappy they logged out right way, oh and btw i want fair pvp fights." The point i'm making is that it's countertuitive for someone to complain about people logging and then turn around and say "i'm all for fiar pvp btw." It's like they are backpeddling on their earlier complain about people logging out to save their skin. Just pointing that out. To avoid derailing this topic, i for one am in agreement that it's cowardly to log out if someone gets the jump on you. It's your darn fault for letting the pirate get the jump on you, or not being fitted properly to defend yourself. Piracy is a big part of the game, fair fights will NEVER happen in MMORPGS, or in real life. People just need to stick it out and get blown up. Then learn from their mistakes and move on. I like piracy, granted i'm still undecided if im going to be a pirate, but it is what makes this game soo much fun. _______________________________________________ There is no "I can't" only "I will".
Gladiator Jonny Repo Industries	Posted - 2007.07.26 23:00:00 - [86] Holy **** dudes. Yes. logofski isnt kewl, however if you couldnt kill him its your fault. i understand theirs probabily complications but, whatever. Creating a post about him logging off "apparently less than half an hour after it happened" is just pathetic. I have respect for both sides, and dont loose any for them. However i find this thread pathetic. just my opinion
Barbarellas Daughter Lonely Barbarella	Posted - 2007.07.26 23:30:00 - [87] next time fly a ship with more dps and you will get him before he disappears ____________________________________________ Originally by: Marduk Felzhen You have an amazing cleavage, except you have no arms :(
Ethan Tomlinson The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.07.27 00:19:00 - [88] Originally by: Barbarellas Daughter next time fly a ship with more dps and you will get him before he disappears pretty much best reply ever :) I dont like vaga's even tho 70% of collective flies 1. but they are part of the game and to each his own. I would rather a diemos, ishtar, cerb or megathron any day over vaga's or curse
doctorstupid2 Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.07.27 00:29:00 - [89] Edited by: doctorstupid2 on 27/07/2007 00:29:03 Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Originally by: doctorstupid2 You know, I distinctly recall you logging a raven on me (maller) and someone else (geddon maybe?) in Impass, saying "[sic] why would I stay to fight when I know I can't win?" Hell I probably still ahve the logs. Don't see me starting threads about it, every entity in eve, no matter how respected they may be, has members that forego honor and etiquette in a moment of panic and log. I probably will regret posting this, as I intended to just move along, but what the hell. Just seems an inane thread to me, slightly hypocritical. I'm not condoning what the pilot did, nor am I condemning you, just a passing observation. Indeed, there is no point in staying to fight a fight you can't win. However, I'm fairly certain that I would have said that from a safespot, and then logged. So are you trying to tell me you don't see the difference between logging out in a safespot, and logging out right after you jump so the guy chasing you can't kill you before you disappear? This was a long time ago, as I recall it was under jump cloak, but I may be mistaken. I do see the difference, and will not dispute it. My point in posting was not to drag your name through the mud, simply point out that if every time someone from alliance X logged to evade combat his pursuer(s) made a thread, the forums would be a terrifying place. Not condoning nor condemning anybody (I personally make strict practice of never logging unless I'm at my destination), just pointing out that ** happens, accept it and move on. So a guy from MC logged, if he was indeed traveling un-scouted without a half rack of stabs at least, he probably died 4 jumps later anyway, and deserved it quite frankly :P Can we still be friends? Steel Rat > if they only knew we make this ** up as we go
pyrofox Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2007.07.27 06:20:00 - [90] Originally by: Barbarellas Daughter next time fly a ship with more dps and you will get him before he disappears pretty much the stupidest reply ever :) If you were a ***** you'd probably spend most of your time in someones ass. As it seems your aim or ability to grasp the true meaning of this post is wildy inaccurate.
Murukan Minmatar Infortunatus Eventus	Posted - 2007.07.27 08:27:00 - [91] Originally by: MynLiu NicAtoch . I sense an angry bear. I was curious as to such bearish comments and then i saw it's eternity inc. No mystery there, still remember the eos with named mining lasers and a double tank. Eternity ftw! Manlove by Zaphod Jones
ry ry StateCorp The State	Posted - 2007.07.27 09:45:00 - [92] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Piracy was supposed to be a profession in eve. Piracy implies non-consentual PvP for profit. Not fair fights. but non-consentual logging is a bad thing? we've all logged off at some point - be it because we're camped into a station or got caught poncing around in an inappropriate fit. You said it yourself - you've logged to save a ship that had no chance, what difference does it make whether you do that from a safespot or a gate? hell, logging at a gate means they're more likely to smash into some kind of hostiles when they log back in anyway. if they were doing this all day, every day, it might warrant a forum post but to be honest one character logging to avoid a vagapwning isn't really news worthy. let it go, dude.
Captain Thunk Omniscient Order	Posted - 2007.07.27 10:53:00 - [93] Originally by: ry ry Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Piracy was supposed to be a profession in eve. Piracy implies non-consentual PvP for profit. Not fair fights. but non-consentual logging is a bad thing? we've all logged off at some point - be it because we're camped into a station or got caught poncing around in an inappropriate fit. You said it yourself - you've logged to save a ship that had no chance, what difference does it make whether you do that from a safespot or a gate? hell, logging at a gate means they're more likely to smash into some kind of hostiles when they log back in anyway. if they were doing this all day, every day, it might warrant a forum post but to be honest one character logging to avoid a vagapwning isn't really news worthy. let it go, dude. The difference is that in one scenario, having logged off in a safespot no-one is on your overview and no-one is shooting you. In Shamis's situation, he had the target warp scrammed and was happily shooting him when he disappeared from the game. The fact someone has to point these differences out to you underscores the disappointing attitudes that now dominate Eve. Hilarious thread though, particularly enjoyed the MC-Bitter-Carebear memories, guess pirate gatecamps are lame when you walk into them, but perfectly fine when you're the camper or just sitting outside a station in a mothership with smartbombs flaring As previously pointed out, a competent pilot would not jump the gate, but warp to a safespot then log if needed - if scrammed before warping he could then jump the gate in safety. This isn't to say that the pilot in question, isn't competent, just that if he made a mistake for whatever reason then it would be reasonable to assume he should take responsibility for said mistake rather than taking a cheap cop-out. Too much Tom Balloonary going on if you ask me, I blame all the Clunks. Captain Thunk.
Griffinator Gallente Contraband Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.27 11:17:00 - [94] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Edited by: Shamis Orzoz on 24/07/2007 22:01:06 Originally by: Julien Derida Originally by: Tassi Sham is definitly not a bottom feeding forum troll I can assure you this. snip I have never condoned logging to save one's ship, and we've kicked out at least 20 people in the last 3 years because of it. snip Off-topic -TheDagda ([email protected]) You've got ex-snigg in your midst, who I'm sure can confirm my sincerity with regards to this issue. correct this has been done in the past, i don't post in here much as the flamage and constant whining make me sad. Personally Shamis i would have waited a bit longer but hey we all go off the stack on occasion even me (Mr. Placid heh), i do know that tancred's connection does get a bit flexy (technical term )at times but i'm not sure what happened in this situation. Prob my last post for a long time see you on the field or by the ice cream truck either way i want more ice cream.
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.27 12:03:00 - [95] Edited by: fire 59 on 27/07/2007 12:07:05 Edit - nm, it's not that important GOONIES = OMNIPOTENCE INCARNATE
aNtis0cial The Movement	Posted - 2007.07.31 22:51:00 - [96] Originally by: Seleene Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Originally by: Seleene Originally by: Shamis Orzoz I hope something is done. Such as? Publicly or privately state either that: - you don't care - you are investigating it - you don't believe me There are lots of possibilities under the category of something, other than nothing. You know, I've seen some pretty lame ** in the past few years myself, m8. Most of us who have been shooting people for 3-4 years now could probably write a small novel about the nonsense we've seen. SHC has some great posts about this. I'm not sure why you feel this incident, not even 24 hours old, deserves a public post. If you wanted some real answers, if this was that important to you, you could have simply waited a bit and shot me a mail on it (there wasn't one as of an hour or so ago). I'm unclear as to why you felt the need to make a public spectacle out of this. There are some alliances in this game who make it a policy of logging out entire fleets. Where is your indignation about them? Do I care? Sure. Tancred hasn't been very active lately, so I assume he was simply moving his ship out of our previous contract area. I'll ask about it and see what is said. Personally, I would have fit 5 WCS and a pair of i-stabs. This deserves a public post because you have a player in your alliance that is dumb (lets leave the * part out for now) enough to have to logout of the game to run from a vagabond with a gate near him... roflol. And for those saying that there is no way to kill/lose vagas try to fly one, you move your eves out of the overview for a sec and you have someone webbing you from nowhere. Most ppl have no idea the work and attention required to fly them effectively and they are not so evil the damage on them is not that good. :)
Kaleeb S.Y.N.D.R.O.M.E. Insurgency	Posted - 2007.07.31 23:28:00 - [97] Unfortunatly this sort of thing has become very common in eve and I would love it if CCP found a way to stop it, difficult to implement something that would not effect people who ctd etc. Its surprising that it was a MC guy although I would like to hear what happened from the guy himself rather than pointing the finger straight away.

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