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Anarine
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Posted - 2007.07.27 08:30:00 -
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No idea if this is linked, but... 2 PCs, one working, one not. The laptop has one partition for everything, and doesn't work. The tower has 2 drives, and the .cedega folder isn't on the same drive as the system... And it works. The second hard drive is there for my /home folder... Will copy .cedega to an external drive, symlink it on the laptop and report.
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Kadesh Priestess
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Posted - 2007.07.27 08:39:00 -
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Edited by: Kadesh Priestess on 27/07/2007 08:43:35
See update of my post, no point to copy whole folder, only one file is needed.
Meh... sorry. It is enough to link only this file, but it seems that whole eve directory needs to be copied. Something inside of it seems to be hardlinked...
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Anarine
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Posted - 2007.07.27 09:32:00 -
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*sigh* Didn't work for me...
I tried copying the lib file to another folder, another partition (both ext3 and reiserfs), and even to a USB HDD (ext3) and a memory card (FAT32). Same old results... My tests aren't that conclusive though, as I had to delete the swap partition in order to get a new partition, and the external HDD isn't the best type - it's a backup system, not a fast access system. If I'm really desperate this afternoon I'll try resizing the partitions of my laptop's hard drive to do more tests. As a counter-test, I'm also about to copy the .cedega folder from my tower to the system HDD. In theory, that should stop it from working. More tests, more tests, but need to go to the airport to pick someone up... I'm tempted to leave them there and play about with Eve... Priorities... :)
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Kadesh Priestess
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Posted - 2007.07.27 09:35:00 -
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Edited by: Kadesh Priestess on 27/07/2007 09:38:14
Try linking both libs... i've messed up with names, now previous post contains right one. And, again, my FS is ntfs. Chmodding of lib file doesn't help at all.
Or even linking of whole wine dir doesn't work for you?
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johnhoward
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Posted - 2007.07.27 09:36:00 -
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Edited by: johnhoward on 27/07/2007 09:37:20
I moved the file to another data partition and it still doesnt work for me. My /home is on a seperate physical disk from / and the drive I moved it to is on a seperate physical disk to both / and /home.
In any case this kind of fix is at best temporary as it is likely to cause further problems for any subsequent patch.
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Kadesh Priestess
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Posted - 2007.07.27 10:04:00 -
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Edited by: Kadesh Priestess on 27/07/2007 10:05:52
Yes, it's temporary fix. But this info may help to kill this nasty bug ;)
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Anarine
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Posted - 2007.07.27 11:16:00 -
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Copying my working EVE setup to the same hard drive as the system does not break the program... I can still use it... This bug gets stranger and stranger...
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Iku Solice
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Posted - 2007.07.27 11:31:00 -
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links only for lib.ccp doens't works for me... links for all folder eve works like I say before.
it's right, that's a strangest bug
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Simbirsk
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Posted - 2007.07.27 11:31:00 -
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Okay. Any thoughts on how to partition an already in use hard drive to have a reiserfs partition and then put eve on it? Is it just the one file from eve or was it more of eve?
how did you start the program then? command line with 'cedega eve.exe' from the eve directory?
Maybe Eve could offer a service $5 a month more for Linux support. $5 x linuxusers should more than pay for some guy to insure Linux compatibility. Or maybe a skill for those who can't login 'persistence', 'fortitude', or bonuses on will power training.
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Kadesh Priestess
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Posted - 2007.07.27 11:42:00 -
[100]
 Originally by: Iku Solice
links only for lib.ccp doens't works for me... links for all folder eve works like I say before.
Try to track down which files are needed on your installation. But before that, try linking whole lib folder.
Originally by: Simbirsk
Maybe Eve could offer a service $5 a month more for Linux support. $5 x linuxusers should more than pay for some guy to insure Linux compatibility. Or maybe a skill for those who can't login 'persistence', 'fortitude', or bonuses on will power training.
Stupid idea tbh :)
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Iku Solice
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Posted - 2007.07.27 12:35:00 -
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Edited by: Iku Solice on 27/07/2007 12:36:10
ok, so...
if I make a ln -s on lib.ccp and stdlib.ccp it don't work
but...
if I link the lib directory, that's run !!
if I rename lib on lib.old, mkdir lib and copy libs files, scratch...
it's silly !!!
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Kadesh Priestess
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Posted - 2007.07.27 12:40:00 -
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Originally by: Iku Solice
if I make a ln -s on lib.ccp and stdlib.ccp it don't work
but...
if I link the lib directory, that's run !!
Then you're doing something wrong. Links should have names like original files, linked files may be arbitrary called... and to be sure completely, leave only link(s) inside of lib folder (move out/delete originals).
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Iku Solice
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Posted - 2007.07.27 12:54:00 -
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I do nothing wrong...
chmod 777 on dir doesn't effect to
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Zerg2k
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Posted - 2007.07.27 13:14:00 -
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I have root directory (/) running on ext3 and /home also ext3 but encrypted and mounted using device mapper. When EVE was at that encrypted partition it didn't work. I had some free unpartitioned space available so I have created another ext3 partition and installed EVE there - now it works.
It looks that as if there were some race condition in library loading and when some libraries are not loaded fast enough game hangs. Reiserfs might be a bit faster when reading from hard drive and that is why EVE started working in some cases.
Windows users also have this problem so I think it's something within EVE. WINE is another layer that might slow down loading of libraries so that is why it is more often triggered under Linux.
Linux (Arch)
wine-0.9.41
Python 2.5.1
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Kadesh Priestess
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Posted - 2007.07.27 13:34:00 -
[105]
Wow, yeah, maybe. Weeks ago i've cut up my ATA100 bus, so now i'm using good old ATA33 :)
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Iku Solice
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Posted - 2007.07.27 13:48:00 -
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that don't explain why
(in CCP/EVE/lib)
ln -s /media/sda1/Program\ Files/CCP/EVE/lib/lib.ccp lib.ccp
ln -s /media/sda1/Program\ Files/CCP/EVE/lib/stdlib.ccp stdlib.ccp
not match but
(in CCP/EVE)
ln -s /media/sda1/Program\ Files/CCP/EVE/lib lib
match !
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Anarine
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Posted - 2007.07.27 14:05:00 -
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hdparm -tT anyone?
Laptop: 28.80Mb/s buffered, Eve can't launch
Tower: 55.83Mb/s buffered, Eve launches...
I'll try torture testing the tower drive and see what happens
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kill0rbunny
Alpha-Hirogen
Phoenix Allianz
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Posted - 2007.07.27 14:09:00 -
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Edited by: kill0rbunny on 27/07/2007 14:10:07
I could reproduce the error on reiserfs now, just for testing.
It appears on my new reiserfs system when I install OSS Support in Wine and then activating sound in Eve. The game crashes as soon as the sound button is ticked and doesn't start until in all sound drivers in wine are deactivated. I then switched the sound off in eve and activated the sound driver again.
Seems it doesn't crash if it does not try to load the sound libraries.
Maybe that helps. 
I pew therefore I am.
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Kadesh Priestess
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Posted - 2007.07.27 14:10:00 -
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Edited by: Kadesh Priestess on 27/07/2007 14:16:00
darkphoenix@Fire:~$ sudo hdparm -tT /dev/hda1
/dev/hda1:
Timing cached reads: 1710 MB in 2.00 seconds = 855.05 MB/sec
Timing buffered disk reads: 82 MB in 3.02 seconds = 27.16 MB/sec
Root filesystem, fails to launch
darkphoenix@Fire:~$ sudo hdparm -tT /dev/hdb7
/dev/hdb7:
Timing cached reads: 1638 MB in 2.00 seconds = 818.90 MB/sec
Timing buffered disk reads: 76 MB in 3.01 seconds = 25.28 MB/sec
Successful startup, my 2nd hdd.
But... why eve manages to read lib files from DVD-RW disk? It can't be faster...
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Iku Solice
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Posted - 2007.07.27 15:26:00 -
[110]
Edited by: Iku Solice on 27/07/2007 15:27:55
linux partition (ext3)
/dev/sda6:
Timing cached reads: 2272 MB in 2.00 seconds = 1135.97 MB/sec
Timing buffered disk reads: 138 MB in 3.03 seconds = 45.51 MB/sec
I think it's faster no ? 
xp (ntfs) partition
/dev/sda1:
Timing cached reads: 2208 MB in 2.00 seconds = 1104.01 MB/sec
Timing buffered disk reads: 248 MB in 3.00 seconds = 82.66 MB/sec
better in buffered, but I can't think it's the problem
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Anarine
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Posted - 2007.07.27 16:28:00 -
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The hdparm test was probably a bad idea, since it reads data off the surface of the disk, ignoring totally any filesystem or data structure. It just reads sector #random, and reads back the result. This is the throughput of the drive, but then if we are dealing with a filesystem, it then needs to "decode" the data correctly. Filesystem x says that the file is on cluster number a, then b, then c... The hard drive needs to read sector a, then b, then c. (This is the theory, since modern drives are intelligent, and have figured out a way to read data efficiently). So adding a filesystem to a drive will slow down that result slightly, more or less depending on which filesystem we use. But a file on a CD or DVD? That is probably the worst case possible, as the drive may well have to spin up the CD first before reading the file... This just doesn't make sense... The trend seems to be something to do with the drive speed, but there are exceptions that are... exceptional, to say the least.
I decline any responsability for what I have just written. I'm ill, I've just woken up, and I don't have any caffeine in my blood stream whatsoever.
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Anarine
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Posted - 2007.07.27 16:56:00 -
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Recap. This is the research I've sone so far.
PC #1 - EVE works. AMD64, Ubuntu 7.04, Cedega 6.02, GeForce 6800, kernel 2.6.20-15-generic.
PC #2 - EVE crashes. Centrino 1.6, Ubuntu 7.04, Cedega 6.02, GeForce Go5200, kernel 2.6.20-15-generic (changed from previous tests to be inline with PC #1).
PC #2 - Eve "splash 'n crash" (c) Gojyu
Changing the version of the python DLL (python25.dll) has no effect.
Installing Python onto a Cedega folder fails.
Copying an Eve setup onto a different HD has no effect. Tried ext2, reiserfs and FAT32 (but slowish access-time).
Copying an Eve setup onto a 2Gb file, preformatted in EXT2 has no effect.
Copying an existing EVE setup that works on another PC results in a splash 'n crash version.
Praying to the Gods has no effect.
PC #1 - "Eve yay! works for me"
EVE setup is not on the system hard drive, but on the /home drive. Changing to the system drive has no effect.
Torturing the "Cedega drive" with random seeks during the launch of the Cedega client has no effect.
Put simply, on one PC it works, and I can't break it. On the second, it doesn't work, and I can't fix it (though Kadesh Priestess' idea seems to work for some). If I'm really motivated this evening (and I probably will be... I need my Providence), I'll make a server debug fime from both PCs and diff the 2 logs, see what happens. CCP Devs, if I find the cause, can I have divine intervention to get Amarr Freighter up to level V? No? Hmmm... Was worth a try anyway. I'll still diff the logs.
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ElfeGER
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.27 17:29:00 -
[113]
hmmm so filesystem, gfx driver, kernel, issues with broken files are out of difference list
what about language/locale settings?
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ElfeGER
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.27 17:32:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Anarine
Recap. This is the research I've sone so far.
PC #1 - EVE works. AMD64, Ubuntu 7.04, Cedega 6.02, GeForce 6800, kernel 2.6.20-15-generic.
PC #2 - EVE crashes. Centrino 1.6, Ubuntu 7.04, Cedega 6.02, GeForce Go5200, kernel 2.6.20-15-generic (changed from previous tests to be inline with PC #1).
PC #2 - Eve "splash 'n crash" (c) Gojyu
Changing the version of the python DLL (python25.dll) has no effect.
Installing Python onto a Cedega folder fails.
Copying an Eve setup onto a different HD has no effect. Tried ext2, reiserfs and FAT32 (but slowish access-time).
Copying an Eve setup onto a 2Gb file, preformatted in EXT2 has no effect.
Copying an existing EVE setup that works on another PC results in a splash 'n crash version.
Praying to the Gods has no effect.
PC #1 - "Eve yay! works for me"
EVE setup is not on the system hard drive, but on the /home drive. Changing to the system drive has no effect.
Torturing the "Cedega drive" with random seeks during the launch of the Cedega client has no effect.
Put simply, on one PC it works, and I can't break it. On the second, it doesn't work, and I can't fix it (though Kadesh Priestess' idea seems to work for some). If I'm really motivated this evening (and I probably will be... I need my Providence), I'll make a server debug fime from both PCs and diff the 2 logs, see what happens. CCP Devs, if I find the cause, can I have divine intervention to get Amarr Freighter up to level V? No? Hmmm... Was worth a try anyway. I'll still diff the logs.
hmmm I wonder what differences kdiff3 would bring if you diff pc1 with pc2 (try /etc first) sftp://root@pc1/etc
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Kadesh Priestess
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Posted - 2007.07.27 17:48:00 -
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Edited by: Kadesh Priestess on 27/07/2007 17:49:17
Lol, it's more and more funny.
Found out something. I've made link to that file, and renamed lib.ccp to lib2.ccp (before my advice to make link). Few mins ago found out, that link doesn't help at all w/o lib2.ccp. After that tried to delete link and leave 2 files - both lib.ccp and lib2.ccp. No splash'n'crash... everything goes as smooth as possible =)
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ElfeGER
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.27 18:06:00 -
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so basicly you have copied lib.ccp to lib2.ccp and it started working?
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Kadesh Priestess
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Posted - 2007.07.27 18:11:00 -
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Yeah. But you have to keep lib.ccp, or game will return error about corrupted installation. And not sure if it's the only suitable name... but it works. I don't see logic here :>
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Busted Ship
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Posted - 2007.07.27 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: Kadesh Priestess
Yeah. But you have to keep lib.ccp, or game will return error about corrupted installation. And not sure if it's the only suitable name... but it works. I don't see logic here :>
WTF?!!?!
I just read this stuff and though "No way that'll work.." and just went and did it and... it friggin works. Madness..
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Noig Lamaroz
Erasers inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.27 19:17:00 -
[119]
Originally by: kill0rbunny
I'm getting those problems still and I have ext3 too.
I have no probs with 6.02 cedega in my debian machine (1.8GHz Sempron, 6600GT with latest drivers) and it has reiserfs filesystem.
I have same splash screen then nada problem on my freshly installed feisty kubuntu on 2.4GHz p4 (Hyperthreading, integrated 865 intel gfx) which also has reiserfs filesystem.
Somehow I doubt that the problem lies within filesystem. :-) It's somewhere else.
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Dost
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Posted - 2007.07.27 19:42:00 -
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Ok, so if I'm reading this right, these are the steps I have to take on Ubuntu feisty. (Assuming sda1=my ntfs Windows partition)
Correct me if I'm wrong (I'm at work and can't try myself):
(make a dir on NTFS drive and copy lib.cpp and stdlib.ccp ONLY)
mkdir /media/sda1/Program\ Files/CCP/EVE/lib/
cd /media/sda1/Program\ Files/CCP/EVE/lib/
cp .wine/drive_c/Program\ Files/CCP/EVE/lib/lib.ccp .
cp .wine/drive_c/Program\ Files/CCP/EVE/lib/stdlib.ccp .
(go back to the lib dir under wine and symlink the files on ntfs)
cd .wine/drive_c/Program\Files/CCP/EVE/lib/
ln -s /media/sda1/Program\ Files/CCP/EVE/lib/lib.ccp lib.ccp
ln -s /media/sda1/Program\ Files/CCP/EVE/lib/stdlib.ccp stdlib.ccp
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