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Garret Marx
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Posted - 2007.07.24 23:04:00 -
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I never understood this. Everyone treats Raven as if it's the top of the line ratting ship but a dominix with t1 drones will out rat a raven with full missile skills.
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Corwain
Gallente
Kamite
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Posted - 2007.07.24 23:05:00 -
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Oh no, my heavy drones take as much time to get to each BS as the raven takes to kill each BS...oh no again, I had to leave my drones behind or be ganked waiting for em to return when hostiles came through...oh no the enemy BS respawned and killed all my drones while they were trying to slowboat back to their bays!
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Shihaya xi
Moloko.
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Posted - 2007.07.24 23:06:00 -
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just no.
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sov68n
Caldari
The Diabolic Abstraction
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Posted - 2007.07.24 23:08:00 -
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raven is so good at ratting simply because it has excessive dps against slow moving targets and can tank the rats with say all explosive hardeners when fighting the Angel Cartel and a booster etc.
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Emperor D'Hoffryn
No Quarter.
Vae Victis.
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Posted - 2007.07.24 23:22:00 -
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raven is more efficient a ratter...
However...
properly flown, the Domi rats while using no ammo (although some drone losses are unavoidable). Also, Domi can rat in full pvp gear....makes for a nice surprise if someone tries to jump you, or you want them too.
 Originally by: Snuggly
It's just so great to have an actual reason to not die, incentive is fantastic!
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Trass
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Posted - 2007.07.24 23:59:00 -
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Originally by: Garret Marx
I never understood this. Everyone treats Raven as if it's the top of the line ratting ship but a dominix with t1 drones will out rat a raven with full missile skills.
I never understood people who rat in slow lazy battleships...
Why rat in a Raven or Dominix when you can rat in a Myrmidon?
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Zkillz kun
Beets and Gravy Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.07.25 00:01:00 -
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Originally by: Trass
Originally by: Garret Marx
I never understood this. Everyone treats Raven as if it's the top of the line ratting ship but a dominix with t1 drones will out rat a raven with full missile skills.
I never understood people who rat in slow lazy battleships...
Why rat in a Raven or Dominix when you can rat in a Myrmidon?
why rat in a myrmidon when you can rat in a thorax 
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Ryum852
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Posted - 2007.07.25 00:06:00 -
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I exclusively rat in the rookie ship. With no weapons either... I ram the *****es to death |
Elipsis
Gallente
The Mission Guys
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Posted - 2007.07.25 00:15:00 -
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Originally by: Corwain
Oh no, my heavy drones take as much time to get to each BS as the raven takes to kill each BS...oh no again, I had to leave my drones behind or be ganked waiting for em to return when hostiles came through...oh no the enemy BS respawned and killed all my drones while they were trying to slowboat back to their bays!
These are valid points, however I find that Sentry Drones are useful if I want to knock out some ships without worrying about travel time.
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lofty29
Infinitus Odium
The Church.
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Posted - 2007.07.25 00:17:00 -
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Eos > all for ratting. Downs 1.5m bs in 30 seconds with gank fit
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Shintoko Akahoshi
Omerta Syndicate
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.07.25 17:05:00 -
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Seriously, though, I rat in a Domi because I can select the damage types (same as a Raven) and rat without spending ammo - drone losses are very minimal, once you know what you're doing. I can rat for weeks without losing a drone. The main thing for me, though, is that having an empty cargo hold lets me rat for longer before I'm full of loot. The nature of a Domi puts me pretty close to the rats when they blow, too, which makes looting a breeze.
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xenodia
Gallente
Shadowrun Company
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Posted - 2007.07.25 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Garret Marx
I never understood this. Everyone treats Raven as if it's the top of the line ratting ship but a dominix with t1 drones will out rat a raven with full missile skills.
Not really accurate. If youre right on top of your target, domi with t2 drones might kill a bs faster than a raven. If youre not right on top of it, Raven will kill faster when you factor in drone travel time. And then as previously mentioned, if someone jumps in on you while youve got drones out in the domi, you have to either be prepared to leave them (expensive if youre talkign t2 drones) or possibly get ganked waiting for them to return. Raven has no such hangup. Also, Raven takes less skillpoints to be effective with than a domi.
THATS why you see so many farmers/chain ratters in ravens. A)They can use lower sp characters in them, B)they can just warp off and cloak the instant they see someone enter local.
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Kua Immortal
RSP Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.07.25 17:11:00 -
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Why rat at all? 
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Shiken Kan
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Posted - 2007.07.25 17:17:00 -
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imho with sentries you could at least rat as fast as a raven in a domi and never loose a single drone.
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Guardians of the Dawn
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.25 17:18:00 -
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man that is so 2006. Cool raters rat in Naglfars nowadays
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Hank Showbo
Neyi Industries
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Posted - 2007.07.25 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: lofty29
Eos > all for ratting. Downs 1.5m bs in 30 seconds with gank fit
Astarte > Eos Tbh for ratting.
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zayanka
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Posted - 2007.07.25 17:42:00 -
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I can fly domis and ravens but i use ISHTAR. No ammo, max speed on mwd is...fast...cant remember how fast...
I get within range in few seconds, launch drones, kill... also i use 3 savlagers, 2 tractor beams...good isks as well...
almost impossible to get ganked.
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Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.25 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Garret Marx
I never understood this. Everyone treats Raven as if it's the top of the line ratting ship but a dominix with t1 drones will out rat a raven with full missile skills.
Because its better at it, in every single aspect?
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ForeverKnight
Caldari
World Order
The Imperial Order
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Posted - 2007.07.25 18:03:00 -
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Personally I think a Typhoon will outrat a Raven...but then again a Typhoon can't fit warp core stabs now can it?
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KD.Fluffy
The Refugees
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Posted - 2007.07.25 18:17:00 -
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If I were ratting in a domi, I'd probably fit some blasters or rail guns depending on the rats too. I'm pretty sure domi is a faster ratter though.
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Lanu
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.25 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: lofty29
Eos > all for ratting. Downs 1.5m bs in 30 seconds with gank fit
qft
And no I dont like the astarte more.. as the eos 5 heavy t2 drones keep on killing when I get jammed.
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MrTripps
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.07.25 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: Trass
Why rat in a Raven or Dominix when you can rat in a Myrmidon?
Because it has a tiny cargo bay for loot. Domi lets you tractor in the wreck and salvage it while you are still killing the other BSs. Fit a couple of heavy Nos in the top and you finish the battle with full armor and cap ready for the next belt.
"Life is nothing but a competition to be the criminal rather than the victim."
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ForumPosterAlt
HERRO KITTY
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Posted - 2007.07.26 06:06:00 -
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because drones killed my inner child
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Lore Isander
Caldari
Paisti
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Posted - 2007.07.26 06:14:00 -
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Why rat at all in the first place? 
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Luke Pubcrawler
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Posted - 2007.07.26 06:46:00 -
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Originally by: ForeverKnight
Personally I think a Typhoon will outrat a Raven...but then again a Typhoon can't fit warp core stabs now can it?
I rat in my nosphoon, as I prefer to 0.0 rat in a pvp ready fit and the typhoon fits the bill. 4 CM and 5 t1 heavies drones are enough to kill pretty much any rat I have met so far in reasonable time. Having only 4 CM means I can leave plenty of cargo space free for loot, even allowing for a replacement set of 800 boosters.
Domi would do the job in more or less the same way, I just prefer the phoon.
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NoNah
Marzipan Monkeys
Distant Star Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.26 07:31:00 -
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Raven can choose its damage type entirely.
Dominix can alter its damagetype at a cost.
Raven is vert low on skillrequirements.
Raven can dock up the instant a hostile appears with no losses.
Raven utilizes a shield tank which is far mre efficient then an armortank.
Raven is caldari - most new players will start with caldariskills.
Raven is popular, you can always come by a raven be it 1.0 or -1.0.
Ammo is common - t2 drones are not as common.
Damage is way higher on a torp raven than a drone/nosdomi.
Domi's weaponry got a long travel time or low damage.
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murder one
Gallente
Death of Virtue
FreeFall Securities
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Posted - 2007.07.26 07:34:00 -
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I rat in a PVP fit Ishtar. Faster than anything IMO. Even an Eos. Especially when you have to MWD out 45km to pick up some faction rat loot.
Originally by: Goumindong
it is at the point where it is impossible to determine whether or not you are trolling or if you area really out of your freaking mind.
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Angelus Fade
Amarr
The Black Ops
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Posted - 2007.07.26 08:26:00 -
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Raven can choose its damage type entirely. OK
Dominix can alter its damagetype at a cost. What cost? Carry 2 types of drones for 80% of enemies is not that much.
Raven is vert low on skillrequirements. I hope you mean very... So is Domi, you do not even need Gun skills and Drone skills are less that good launcher skills. I think you are pretty even.
Raven can dock up the instant a hostile appears with no losses. If you keep your eyes on local and are not a total noob you can easily get your drones in, smoke a cig and dock.
Raven utilizes a shield tank which is far mre efficient then an armortank. Since when?
Raven is caldari - most new players will start with caldariskills. This is good why?
Raven is popular, you can always come by a raven be it 1.0 or -1.0. This is a plus why? BMW's are also popular, but they are actually not that good cars, just good image...
Ammo is common - t2 drones are not as common. Uhu I never have trouble getting em anywhere...
Damage is way higher on a torp raven than a drone/nosdomi. You are right on this one, though 2 large armor reppoers, 3 heavy NOS and a cloak give me some added security.
Domi's weaponry got a long travel time or low damage. Missle travel time also exists and due to my fittet traktor beams and salvager I am faster at looting to make up for it...
I would say it is total preference thing. Some people are drone people some are missle heads, choose what you like, both will work.
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Ashaz
Mindstar Technology
United Confederation of Corporations
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Posted - 2007.07.26 10:12:00 -
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Edited by: Ashaz on 26/07/2007 10:18:01
Dominix can alter its damagetype at a cost. What cost? Carry 2 types of drones for 80% of enemies is not that much.
ontop of the damage type, the achtuall damage the drones do vary greatly. a berserker will only do about 75% of what an ogre does to equal resists.
Raven is vert low on skillrequirements. I hope you mean very... So is Domi, you do not even need Gun skills and Drone skills are less that good launcher skills. I think you are pretty even.
arguably yes. altho if you focus directly on the torps/whatever you'l be there faster I think.
And don't forget you need drones to 5 before you can use them all. You can use all launcherslots at 1.
Raven can dock up the instant a hostile appears with no losses. If you keep your eyes on local and are not a total noob you can easily get your drones in, smoke a cig and dock.
er. no.
It can take very long for some ogres to find their wy back. not to mention they might decide to go after the target again after returning halfway.
Raven utilizes a shield tank which is far mre efficient then an armortank. Since when?
I only know armortanking so I wouldn't know about this part.
Raven is caldari - most new players will start with caldariskills. This is good why?
not good. just a fact.
Raven is popular, you can always come by a raven be it 1.0 or -1.0. This is a plus why? BMW's are also popular, but they are actually not that good cars, just good image...
The point of this was that you can easily get one anywhere if you get blown up or whatever.
Ammo is common - t2 drones are not as common. Uhu I never have trouble getting em anywhere...
*shrug* me neither tbh.
Damage is way higher on a torp raven than a drone/nosdomi. You are right on this one, though 2 large armor reppoers, 3 heavy NOS and a cloak give me some added security.
cloak.. bah. Sure I've used one too some times, but you're pretty safe without one too if you know how to handle yourself.
About the reppers and nos. well the nos is required to keep the reppers running, and the reppers... I don't see how tht is an argument. the domi has a tank. so does the raven.
Domi's weaponry got a long travel time or low damage. Missle travel time also exists and due to my fittet traktor beams and salvager I am faster at looting to make up for it...
yes missiles have traveltime. but nowhere near as slow as ogres, or even valkyries.
I would say it is total preference thing. Some people are drone people some are missle heads, choose what you like, both will work.
yup. I agree.
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Kokoshu
Caldari
Dawn of a new Empire
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Posted - 2007.07.26 10:20:00 -
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Edited by: Kokoshu on 26/07/2007 10:20:49
The honest truth why i rat in a raven, because its so much easier than a domi. its like mining with missiles ( ctrl right Click) F1-F6 wait 20 Seconds repeat and rinse.
Theres no silly drones to look after. Things you avoid are :
1) 2 of them hitting each other an slow boating back
2) Them not doing what you say
3) Them not doing what you say
4) Them not doing what you say
Raven is just easy tbh
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