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Garret Marx	Posted - 2007.07.24 23:04:00 - [1] I never understood this. Everyone treats Raven as if it's the top of the line ratting ship but a dominix with t1 drones will out rat a raven with full missile skills.
Corwain Gallente Kamite	Posted - 2007.07.24 23:05:00 - [2] Oh no, my heavy drones take as much time to get to each BS as the raven takes to kill each BS...oh no again, I had to leave my drones behind or be ganked waiting for em to return when hostiles came through...oh no the enemy BS respawned and killed all my drones while they were trying to slowboat back to their bays! -- A Solo Arbitrator vid, Distortion by Corwain
Shihaya xi Moloko.	Posted - 2007.07.24 23:06:00 - [3] just no.
sov68n Caldari The Diabolic Abstraction	Posted - 2007.07.24 23:08:00 - [4] raven is so good at ratting simply because it has excessive dps against slow moving targets and can tank the rats with say all explosive hardeners when fighting the Angel Cartel and a booster etc. The Diabolic Abstraction
Emperor D'Hoffryn No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.07.24 23:22:00 - [5] raven is more efficient a ratter... However... properly flown, the Domi rats while using no ammo (although some drone losses are unavoidable). Also, Domi can rat in full pvp gear....makes for a nice surprise if someone tries to jump you, or you want them too. Originally by: Snuggly It's just so great to have an actual reason to not die, incentive is fantastic!
Trass	Posted - 2007.07.24 23:59:00 - [6] Originally by: Garret Marx I never understood this. Everyone treats Raven as if it's the top of the line ratting ship but a dominix with t1 drones will out rat a raven with full missile skills. I never understood people who rat in slow lazy battleships... Why rat in a Raven or Dominix when you can rat in a Myrmidon?
Zkillz kun Beets and Gravy Syndicate	Posted - 2007.07.25 00:01:00 - [7] Originally by: Trass Originally by: Garret Marx I never understood this. Everyone treats Raven as if it's the top of the line ratting ship but a dominix with t1 drones will out rat a raven with full missile skills. I never understood people who rat in slow lazy battleships... Why rat in a Raven or Dominix when you can rat in a Myrmidon? why rat in a myrmidon when you can rat in a thorax _____
Ryum852	Posted - 2007.07.25 00:06:00 - [8] I exclusively rat in the rookie ship. With no weapons either... I ram the *****es to death
Elipsis Gallente The Mission Guys	Posted - 2007.07.25 00:15:00 - [9] Originally by: Corwain Oh no, my heavy drones take as much time to get to each BS as the raven takes to kill each BS...oh no again, I had to leave my drones behind or be ganked waiting for em to return when hostiles came through...oh no the enemy BS respawned and killed all my drones while they were trying to slowboat back to their bays! These are valid points, however I find that Sentry Drones are useful if I want to knock out some ships without worrying about travel time. -... CEO and Founder of the Mission Guys
lofty29 Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.07.25 00:17:00 - [10] Eos > all for ratting. Downs 1.5m bs in 30 seconds with gank fit --- Project Mayhem WTS : Faction Lewt
Shintoko Akahoshi Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.07.25 17:05:00 - [11] Seriously, though, I rat in a Domi because I can select the damage types (same as a Raven) and rat without spending ammo - drone losses are very minimal, once you know what you're doing. I can rat for weeks without losing a drone. The main thing for me, though, is that having an empty cargo hold lets me rat for longer before I'm full of loot. The nature of a Domi puts me pretty close to the rats when they blow, too, which makes looting a breeze.
xenodia Gallente Shadowrun Company	Posted - 2007.07.25 17:10:00 - [12] Originally by: Garret Marx I never understood this. Everyone treats Raven as if it's the top of the line ratting ship but a dominix with t1 drones will out rat a raven with full missile skills. Not really accurate. If youre right on top of your target, domi with t2 drones might kill a bs faster than a raven. If youre not right on top of it, Raven will kill faster when you factor in drone travel time. And then as previously mentioned, if someone jumps in on you while youve got drones out in the domi, you have to either be prepared to leave them (expensive if youre talkign t2 drones) or possibly get ganked waiting for them to return. Raven has no such hangup. Also, Raven takes less skillpoints to be effective with than a domi. THATS why you see so many farmers/chain ratters in ravens. A)They can use lower sp characters in them, B)they can just warp off and cloak the instant they see someone enter local.
Kua Immortal RSP Enterprises	Posted - 2007.07.25 17:11:00 - [13] Why rat at all?
Shiken Kan	Posted - 2007.07.25 17:17:00 - [14] imho with sentries you could at least rat as fast as a raven in a domi and never loose a single drone.
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.25 17:18:00 - [15] man that is so 2006. Cool raters rat in Naglfars nowadays If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Hank Showbo Neyi Industries	Posted - 2007.07.25 17:20:00 - [16] Originally by: lofty29 Eos > all for ratting. Downs 1.5m bs in 30 seconds with gank fit Astarte > Eos Tbh for ratting.
zayanka	Posted - 2007.07.25 17:42:00 - [17] I can fly domis and ravens but i use ISHTAR. No ammo, max speed on mwd is...fast...cant remember how fast... I get within range in few seconds, launch drones, kill... also i use 3 savlagers, 2 tractor beams...good isks as well... almost impossible to get ganked.
Sokratesz Paradox v2.0 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.25 17:42:00 - [18] Originally by: Garret Marx I never understood this. Everyone treats Raven as if it's the top of the line ratting ship but a dominix with t1 drones will out rat a raven with full missile skills. Because its better at it, in every single aspect? sup /b/
ForeverKnight Caldari World Order The Imperial Order	Posted - 2007.07.25 18:03:00 - [19] Personally I think a Typhoon will outrat a Raven...but then again a Typhoon can't fit warp core stabs now can it?
KD.Fluffy The Refugees	Posted - 2007.07.25 18:17:00 - [20] If I were ratting in a domi, I'd probably fit some blasters or rail guns depending on the rats too. I'm pretty sure domi is a faster ratter though.
Lanu Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.25 19:12:00 - [21] Originally by: lofty29 Eos > all for ratting. Downs 1.5m bs in 30 seconds with gank fit qft And no I dont like the astarte more.. as the eos 5 heavy t2 drones keep on killing when I get jammed. __________________ I'm not obsessing. I'm just curious.
MrTripps Gallente	Posted - 2007.07.25 19:47:00 - [22] Originally by: Trass Why rat in a Raven or Dominix when you can rat in a Myrmidon? Because it has a tiny cargo bay for loot. Domi lets you tractor in the wreck and salvage it while you are still killing the other BSs. Fit a couple of heavy Nos in the top and you finish the battle with full armor and cap ready for the next belt. "Life is nothing but a competition to be the criminal rather than the victim." - Bertrand Russell
ForumPosterAlt HERRO KITTY	Posted - 2007.07.26 06:06:00 - [23] because drones killed my inner child Because posting on the forums is serious business.
Lore Isander Caldari Paisti	Posted - 2007.07.26 06:14:00 - [24] Why rat at all in the first place?
Luke Pubcrawler	Posted - 2007.07.26 06:46:00 - [25] Originally by: ForeverKnight Personally I think a Typhoon will outrat a Raven...but then again a Typhoon can't fit warp core stabs now can it? I rat in my nosphoon, as I prefer to 0.0 rat in a pvp ready fit and the typhoon fits the bill. 4 CM and 5 t1 heavies drones are enough to kill pretty much any rat I have met so far in reasonable time. Having only 4 CM means I can leave plenty of cargo space free for loot, even allowing for a replacement set of 800 boosters. Domi would do the job in more or less the same way, I just prefer the phoon.
NoNah Marzipan Monkeys Distant Star Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.26 07:31:00 - [26] Raven can choose its damage type entirely. Dominix can alter its damagetype at a cost. Raven is vert low on skillrequirements. Raven can dock up the instant a hostile appears with no losses. Raven utilizes a shield tank which is far mre efficient then an armortank. Raven is caldari - most new players will start with caldariskills. Raven is popular, you can always come by a raven be it 1.0 or -1.0. Ammo is common - t2 drones are not as common. Damage is way higher on a torp raven than a drone/nosdomi. Domi's weaponry got a long travel time or low damage. Post count: 819735
murder one Gallente Death of Virtue FreeFall Securities	Posted - 2007.07.26 07:34:00 - [27] I rat in a PVP fit Ishtar. Faster than anything IMO. Even an Eos. Especially when you have to MWD out 45km to pick up some faction rat loot. Originally by: Goumindong it is at the point where it is impossible to determine whether or not you are trolling or if you area really out of your freaking mind.
Angelus Fade Amarr The Black Ops	Posted - 2007.07.26 08:26:00 - [28] Raven can choose its damage type entirely. OK Dominix can alter its damagetype at a cost. What cost? Carry 2 types of drones for 80% of enemies is not that much. Raven is vert low on skillrequirements. I hope you mean very... So is Domi, you do not even need Gun skills and Drone skills are less that good launcher skills. I think you are pretty even. Raven can dock up the instant a hostile appears with no losses. If you keep your eyes on local and are not a total noob you can easily get your drones in, smoke a cig and dock. Raven utilizes a shield tank which is far mre efficient then an armortank. Since when? Raven is caldari - most new players will start with caldariskills. This is good why? Raven is popular, you can always come by a raven be it 1.0 or -1.0. This is a plus why? BMW's are also popular, but they are actually not that good cars, just good image... Ammo is common - t2 drones are not as common. Uhu I never have trouble getting em anywhere... Damage is way higher on a torp raven than a drone/nosdomi. You are right on this one, though 2 large armor reppoers, 3 heavy NOS and a cloak give me some added security. Domi's weaponry got a long travel time or low damage. Missle travel time also exists and due to my fittet traktor beams and salvager I am faster at looting to make up for it... I would say it is total preference thing. Some people are drone people some are missle heads, choose what you like, both will work. ------- Angelus Fade ------- I once was a badass fighter for the Amarr Empire, but they screwed me over and de-fanged me, so currently I am just a fluffy puppy space miner.... until the time
Ashaz Mindstar Technology United Confederation of Corporations	Posted - 2007.07.26 10:12:00 - [29] Edited by: Ashaz on 26/07/2007 10:18:01 Dominix can alter its damagetype at a cost. What cost? Carry 2 types of drones for 80% of enemies is not that much. ontop of the damage type, the achtuall damage the drones do vary greatly. a berserker will only do about 75% of what an ogre does to equal resists. Raven is vert low on skillrequirements. I hope you mean very... So is Domi, you do not even need Gun skills and Drone skills are less that good launcher skills. I think you are pretty even. arguably yes. altho if you focus directly on the torps/whatever you'l be there faster I think. And don't forget you need drones to 5 before you can use them all. You can use all launcherslots at 1. Raven can dock up the instant a hostile appears with no losses. If you keep your eyes on local and are not a total noob you can easily get your drones in, smoke a cig and dock. er. no. It can take very long for some ogres to find their wy back. not to mention they might decide to go after the target again after returning halfway. Raven utilizes a shield tank which is far mre efficient then an armortank. Since when? I only know armortanking so I wouldn't know about this part. Raven is caldari - most new players will start with caldariskills. This is good why? not good. just a fact. Raven is popular, you can always come by a raven be it 1.0 or -1.0. This is a plus why? BMW's are also popular, but they are actually not that good cars, just good image... The point of this was that you can easily get one anywhere if you get blown up or whatever. Ammo is common - t2 drones are not as common. Uhu I never have trouble getting em anywhere... shrug me neither tbh. Damage is way higher on a torp raven than a drone/nosdomi. You are right on this one, though 2 large armor reppoers, 3 heavy NOS and a cloak give me some added security. cloak.. bah. Sure I've used one too some times, but you're pretty safe without one too if you know how to handle yourself. About the reppers and nos. well the nos is required to keep the reppers running, and the reppers... I don't see how tht is an argument. the domi has a tank. so does the raven. Domi's weaponry got a long travel time or low damage. Missle travel time also exists and due to my fittet traktor beams and salvager I am faster at looting to make up for it... yes missiles have traveltime. but nowhere near as slow as ogres, or even valkyries. I would say it is total preference thing. Some people are drone people some are missle heads, choose what you like, both will work. yup. I agree. iDrone
Kokoshu Caldari Dawn of a new Empire	Posted - 2007.07.26 10:20:00 - [30] Edited by: Kokoshu on 26/07/2007 10:20:49 The honest truth why i rat in a raven, because its so much easier than a domi. its like mining with missiles ( ctrl right Click) F1-F6 wait 20 Seconds repeat and rinse. Theres no silly drones to look after. Things you avoid are : 1) 2 of them hitting each other an slow boating back 2) Them not doing what you say 3) Them not doing what you say 4) Them not doing what you say Raven is just easy tbh
Aleranie	Posted - 2007.07.26 10:56:00 - [31] Shields are better than armor for pve, simply because of passive regen lets you turn your tank off without a risk of going pop. The additional armor hp also makes shield tanking a lot more forgiving if you are inebriated. Missiles > Drones because you can stuff damage mods on a raven, and there isn't even a direct equivalent for drones. Thats in addition to all the other things listed. P.S. Sentries suck compared to heavies dps wise.
Gawain Hill	Posted - 2007.07.26 11:09:00 - [32] i rat in a harbinger or abaddon... i never use ANY ammo don't usually bother letting out my drones and can hold a few dozen faction spawns worth of loot in my hold with all that space i'm saving from not using ammo can even do it in a PvP fit and have cap boosters which are replaced many times over from battleship spawns so why would anyone rat in anything other than an amarr ship?
Ziggy Stardustt SwEaTy ArMpIT RaIDeRs Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.26 11:31:00 - [33] Deimos m8, any 0.0 spawn pasted Originally by: Zkillz kun Originally by: Trass Originally by: Garret Marx I never understood this. Everyone treats Raven as if it's the top of the line ratting ship but a dominix with t1 drones will out rat a raven with full missile skills. I never understood people who rat in slow lazy battleships... Why rat in a Raven or Dominix when you can rat in a Myrmidon? why rat in a myrmidon when you can rat in a thorax
d026 THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.07.26 11:50:00 - [34] why rat in anything else than a titan! dd 50 belts at once!
Ione Hunt 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.26 12:06:00 - [35] Yes, Gallente needs a nerf because Caldari absolutely SUCKS for PVE _______________
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.07.26 12:13:00 - [36] Edited by: Akita T on 26/07/2007 12:17:01 Dominix with 5 gardes, 5 bouncers (or wardens, depends what you're "hunting") and 125m of whatever drones you might like extra. Avoids most issues a heavy-drones Dominix has (oh, look, no scooping delay, no delayed damage issues, and for the friggies just use meds)... and then some, because it can be even faster as a Raven, especially if you also fit some GUNS (instead of just NOS). Originally by: Aleranie P.S. Sentries suck compared to heavies dps wise. Hello, reality check ? Garde I DPS > Ogre I DPS. And Garde II DPS is not significantly lower as Ogre II DPS, it's only a bit lower because Ogre also gets at least 8% (at most 10%) extra DPS from the Gallente Drone Specialisation skill (while Garde II does not). Then you have Bouncer, which has a pretty decent damage (both type and amount) AND great range. _ Complaint vs whine \| Char creation guide \| Stacknerfs explained
D CENT	Posted - 2007.07.26 12:16:00 - [37] Just have to say that ratting in either of the ships is viable also the domi if you can push it can chain triple bs spawns and mine at the same time meaning that the domi is far more versitile in regards to 0.0 anything! Altho if ratting is the thing you are most interested in the raven will win! With right missile skills using cruise youll kill bs faster than any heavy drone!
Dreadmuppet Four	Posted - 2007.07.26 13:01:00 - [38] only advatage of the domi I can think of it that it allows you to fit a couple of tractors and salvagers without taking too much of a hit on DPS, those rigs cost a bloody fortune you know
Barbarellas Daughter Lonely Barbarella	Posted - 2007.07.26 14:05:00 - [39] Originally by: Garret Marx I never understood this. Everyone treats Raven as if it's the top of the line ratting ship but a dominix with t1 drones will out rat a raven with full missile skills. in highsec, you are right ____________________________________________ Originally by: Marduk Felzhen You have an amazing cleavage, except you have no arms :(
NoNah Marzipan Monkeys Distant Star Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.26 14:33:00 - [40] Originally by: Akita T Hello, reality check ? Garde I DPS > Ogre I DPS. And Garde II DPS is not significantly lower as Ogre II DPS, it's only a bit lower because Ogre also gets at least 8% (at most 10%) extra DPS from the Gallente Drone Specialisation skill (while Garde II does not). Care to run those numbers for me? Not that I disagree, but iirc that wasnt the case when I last had a look, and I dont have a client at hand at the moment. Post count: 672774
NoNah Marzipan Monkeys Distant Star Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.26 14:47:00 - [41] Originally by: Ashaz Raven utilizes a shield tank which is far mre efficient then an armortank. Since when? I only know armortanking so I wouldn't know about this part. Since always. Shield is more effective than armor tanks. Period. The reason armortanks are more used for pvp is the fact that they are lowslot. There are long threads about this, if you want more info. Originally by: Ashaz Ammo is common - t2 drones are not as common. Uhu I never have trouble getting em anywhere... shrug me neither tbh. When in new 0.0, or any backend system tbh, theres no issue throwing up a pos and spew out torps and missiles left and right with just loot refinings and haulerspawns. How much is a torp bpo? How much is a Ogre II bpo? I'm not saying they are impossible to come by, im saying while you more often than not can make sure you have a steady supply of torps in system, drones will be a few jumps - at the very least - off. Originally by: Ashaz Damage is way higher on a torp raven than a drone/nosdomi. You are right on this one, though 2 large armor reppoers, 3 heavy NOS and a cloak give me some added security. Cloak lower ratting speed. And I thought you said anyone with half a brain could dock up anyway? Originally by: Ashaz Domi's weaponry got a long travel time or low damage. Missle travel time also exists and due to my fittet traktor beams and salvager I am faster at looting to make up for it... yes missiles have traveltime. but nowhere near as slow as ogres, or even valkyries. Difference is the travel time for missiles is just a delay, while on drones its lost damage. If you have boogies 75 km ahead of you and 75km behind you, you will maintain your 800 dps with the torp raven, while the domi has to wait for drones to fly 150km - 0 dps meanwhile. Extreme example - but you get the point. Thanks for answering the rest btw, Ashaz. I'm not saying the domi is a bad ratting ship, after all its the one I'm flying myself. Though I see every point in flying a raven - it IS a better PvE ship. And note the fact that you have the option to upgrade to a CNR with the raven. I long for the day when the domi gets a counterpart with another drone controlled. =) Post count: 31714
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.26 17:53:00 - [42] Basically if you stick a max skilled rat fit siege Raven (or variant) in a system with multiple spawns it'll get to the bottom of the belt list faster than any other ship in the game. When you get to the point where pretty much every BS is 3-5 volleys of torps or less there really isn't any competition. Your ridiculous dps Domi/Mega might blow up a BS in 3.2 nanoseconds but it just spends too much time pratting about with optimals. I guess if you came across an abnormally high amount of HAC spawns (250k'ish rats) then one of the CS's might do it quicker. The Raven is easily the most efficient (and boring) ratter in the game.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.07.26 18:16:00 - [43] Edited by: Akita T on 26/07/2007 18:22:21 Sure, NoNah, quite easy. Here's without any ship bonuses : Garde I : 50 thermal x 1.60 / 4 sec = 20 base DPS -> 50 DPS max Ogre I : 24 thermal x 1.60 / 2 sec = 19.2 base DPS -> 48 DPS max Garde II : 50 x 1.92 / 4 sec = 24 (sort of) base DPS -> 60 DPS max Ogre II : 24 x 1.92 * 1.08 (or 1.1) / 2 sec = 24.8832 or 25.344 (sort of) base DPS -> 63.36 DPS max _ Complaint vs whine \| Char creation guide \| Stacknerfs explained
NoNah Marzipan Monkeys Distant Star Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.26 18:34:00 - [44] Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 26/07/2007 18:20:33 Sure, NoNah Garde I : 50 thermal x 1.60 / 4 sec = 20 base DPS -> 50 DPS max Ogre I : 24 thermal x 1.60 / 2 sec = 19.2 base DPS -> 48 DPS max Garde II : 50 x 1.92 / 4 sec = 24 (sort of) base DPS -> 60 DPS max Ogre II : 24 x 1.92 * 1.08 (or 1.1) / 2 sec = 24.8832 or 25.344 (sort of) base DPS -> 63.36 DPS max As previously stated, I still dont have a client at hand, so I may very well be wrong but, continuing your numbers... Bouncer I: 50 * 1.4 / 4 = 17.5 Curator I: 50 * 1.3 / 4 = 16.25 Warden I: 50 * 1.2 / 4 = 15 Berserker I: 24 * 1.3 / 2 = 15.6 Praetor I: 24 * 1.15 / 2 = 13.8 Wasp I: 24 * 1.45 / 2 = 17.4 And sentry drones have rigs to back them up. This is just terribly annoying. Few months back, I went over the numbers and came to the same conclusion - sentries deal more damage. I was happy. Then a few weeks back, I tested it and went through all the numbers again, and with the support of the fellow posters in the same thread - we reached the opposit conclusion. Heavies did in fact deal more damage. I just couldnt get it right. And now I'm back where I started. This is simple math! Just cant figure out what went wrong that second time. Or what I'm forgetting now and here. Seeing that we have as much as 3(!) factors... Bah! Post count: 609064
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.07.26 19:10:00 - [45] You're probably mixing T1 sentries with T2 heavies, or you're either comparing drones of same damage type instead of all possible drones. For instance, the sentry multiplier is only the same as the heavies multiplier for thermal drones, the rest of damage types differ in multiplier (kinetic sentry has lowest multiplier, for instance, but explosive has both a better multiplier AND range as the EM sentry... yup, Amarr sentries suck more as Amarr heavies). As for T2, don't bother with all calculations, just look at T1 ones. If you have EVE-Mon (you don't ? why ? WHY ?), you should see all relevant T1 drone stats listed properly aready. All T2 drones have a flat +20% DPS bonus compared to T1 version (via damage multiplier). All T2 heavies also get +8% (minimal required L4 spec skill) or +10% (L5 spec skill) extra DPS, alongside extra speed and tracking. The T2 sentries get a +20% optimal/falloff range instead of getting a DPS increase, and also no tracking bonus. _ Complaint vs whine \| Char creation guide \| Stacknerfs explained
Sharupak Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun	Posted - 2007.07.26 19:15:00 - [46] Originally by: Garret Marx I never understood this. Everyone treats Raven as if it's the top of the line ratting ship but a dominix with t1 drones will out rat a raven with full missile skills. Why rat in ugly when you can rat in a maelstrom! _______________________________________________ RuntimeError: ChainEvent is blocking by design, but you're block trapped. You have'll have to find some alternative means to do Your Thing, dude.
Daelin Blackleaf No Joy Corp Pride - Honor - Duty	Posted - 2007.07.26 19:34:00 - [47] Max skills quickfit DPS, rarely accurate but good for comparison. Domi: Ogre II 475 Wasp II 431 Berserker II 386 Praetor II 342 Raven: Siege 619 plus 158 to 114 from medium drones No contest. Plus the more isk you throw at the Raven the better it gets the Domi on the other hand is stuck with t2.
Yali Aggressive Tendencies	Posted - 2007.07.26 19:39:00 - [48] Alot of ships are good ratters, some are just alot easier to use. Raven is the one where you really dont have to think - everyone know's how to fit a raven, everyone can with little training successfully rat in the ship. Personally i prefer my phoon; major point here is zerker II's who can be hard to get in 0.0 - and easy to lose. with 4x siege, 4x dual 425's, 5x berserkers and damage mods in low it pretty much eats any rat. On the other hand its alot easier to just use a raven. ---------- Kill them all - God will recongnize his own.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.07.26 19:48:00 - [49] Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf Max skills quickfit DPS, rarely accurate but good for comparison. Domi: Ogre II 475 Wasp II 431 Berserker II 386 Praetor II 342 Raven: Siege 619 plus 158 to 114 from medium drones No contest. Plus the more isk you throw at the Raven the better it gets the Domi on the other hand is stuck with t2. Uh, you know, you can actually use rails on the Domi too (you even have a damage bonus for them), those highslots arent's there just for NOS Even with Dual 250mm IIs (which are trivial to fit), you still get some decent DPS... namely 243 at max skills (with antimatter). Add that to, say, 450 DPS from Garde IIs, and you get 673 DPS, all of which is "instant hit" (but, granted, mostly thermal, and not such a great range). _ Complaint vs whine \| Char creation guide \| Stacknerfs explained
Daelin Blackleaf No Joy Corp Pride - Honor - Duty	Posted - 2007.07.26 22:04:00 - [50] Edited by: Daelin Blackleaf on 26/07/2007 22:05:01 Ratting is work enough already without worrying about moving to range etc. By the time your at optimal, with your drones on the first rat the Raven has cleared a spawn and moved on. DPS actually isn't the main reason I use the Raven though, it's ease, ratting is work enough already, I may as well get to watch a movie / browse the web while doing it. [EDIT: Ok, an exaggeration, but you get the idea]
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.07.26 22:13:00 - [51] Can switch damage types 'for free' Can hit at any range between 0 and 100 with torps. Lots of players chose Caldari for backplot reasons, and have the skills in place already.
Raeff Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.29 03:47:00 - [52] Edited by: Raeff on 29/07/2007 03:52:39 Edited by: Raeff on 29/07/2007 03:48:56 funny how noone has mentioned the typhoon HI: 4x Siege II / 4x Dual 650mm II MID: 100mn MWD II / Web / 2x Cap Recharge II LOW: 1x LAR II / 2-3 hardeners / 2-3 damage mods / rest CPR II Drones: 5x T2 Heavy Drones gun/missile rig + CCC rig + pic an armor rig I use it against Blood Raiders and burn thru them FAST .. i've tried raven / apoc / geddon / megat / domi / myrm aswell .. they can't match the damage output i wouldnt use it for L4 missions, but for 0.0 belt ratting its perfect .. handles trip 1.8mil BS spawns with ease
Bohoba Caldari Dragons United Pure.	Posted - 2007.07.29 04:14:00 - [53] no no no your all wrong Rat in a Raven cause we like the explosions, nothing like firing off all 4 types and getting a cool colored explosion :) Domi is a good ratter to if set up right. The Dark Force is strong in EvE But it will fail Get Into the Game it makes it fun for all
Naylon	Posted - 2007.07.29 07:04:00 - [54] I can pilot a Domi and Raven with roughly equivalent skills, Spec 4 in torps and t2 drones. Drones do kill BS rats slower than torps, but I fit a mwd to my domi so travel time to and from spawns with drones is minimal, plus I can loot and salvage every single wreck, so I get improved income from that. I'd say that the Domi is the superior NPCer, Raven is the faster.
cal nereus Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.29 07:27:00 - [55] Originally by: Zkillz kun Originally by: Trass Originally by: Garret Marx I never understood this. Everyone treats Raven as if it's the top of the line ratting ship but a dominix with t1 drones will out rat a raven with full missile skills. I never understood people who rat in slow lazy battleships... Why rat in a Raven or Dominix when you can rat in a Myrmidon? why rat in a myrmidon when you can rat in a thorax Why rat in a thorax when you can rat in an Ibis? --- Grismar.net
NoNah Marzipan Monkeys Distant Star Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.29 08:20:00 - [56] Originally by: cal nereus Originally by: Zkillz kun Originally by: Trass Originally by: Garret Marx I never understood this. Everyone treats Raven as if it's the top of the line ratting ship but a dominix with t1 drones will out rat a raven with full missile skills. I never understood people who rat in slow lazy battleships... Why rat in a Raven or Dominix when you can rat in a Myrmidon? why rat in a myrmidon when you can rat in a thorax Why rat in a thorax when you can rat in an Ibis? Why rat in a Ibis when you can rat in a Velator of 150+ dps goodness. Post count: 720842
David DarkLighter	Posted - 2007.07.29 08:43:00 - [57] Him........... I can think of alot of reasons that both are good...... 1. Ummmm we get money in both... 2. Ummmm we get money in both....... 3. Ummmm we get money in both......... 4. Ummmm we get money in both........... But I personally would like to rat in a raven =\ Drake is getting perty old =\ I need to get those mods onto my drake =\ and reason 5... Cant we all just get along? Get a CNR and a Navy/Federation/Vindacator Megathron and blow some ****nits up.

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