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HailFire
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Posted - 2004.01.28 22:19:00 -
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Ok this is how it goes. I went 31 jumps to Vaini to check some of the stuff on the market. Then I went into FOUNTAIN (knowing that I'm not suppose to) and I thought that the FA would pod me if they saw me. Well I ran into Emperor (Spartan now in EPA) and Havocide (BioMass Cartel), so I decided since I was still totally new to this game I would just continue on my way. After a few jumps, I jumped in right above Havocide and then Emperor jumped in right behind me. I was in a shuttle and thought that I could out run them, but I didnt have a chance to. (I never saw them lock onto me.) This is the message I received after my podding.
2004.01.28 05:26:00
Solar System: Y-1W01
System Security Level: 0.0
Involved parties:
Name: Havocide (laid the final blow)
Security Status: 0.5
Corporation: BioMass Cartel
Ship Type: Megathron
Weapon Type: Neutron Blaster Cannon I
I came to the conclusion that I really dont know if Emperor fired on me or not, but I do know that Havocide did. Now I know what kind of people we are dealing with and it is all crap. Why in the world would someone want to pod a noobie in a shuttle? I just dont get it. 
Has this ever happened to you?
The end of the beginning has come and I know that we are not ready for it. |
Lester Mako
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Posted - 2004.01.28 22:24:00 -
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Get in line.
Miner, Seller of Minerals, Father |
Reah
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Posted - 2004.01.28 22:26:00 -
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Why in the world would someone want to pod a noobie in a shuttle? I just dont get it.
its because of those 'newbie scouts' aka alts who are basically unkillable because they get podded again and again but u never really get rid of them..
btw those that attacked u aint FA, they are pirates(Forsake empire) 
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Posted - 2004.01.28 22:28:00 -
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Hailfire, i know your pain :)
Happened to me early on ( no implants yet in the game, wheeeewwww ) by some pirate or another. They apperently think it's fun. hehe their stupidity i guess.
You rarely find the decent pirs any more, the ones who let you go for some Isk. But then again, i haven't started 0.0 surfing yet.
You may just have been unlucky 
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HailFire
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Posted - 2004.01.28 22:28:00 -
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Yeah I do need to get in line. Hehe. But what are these alts. I dont get it. Why take an alt somewhere when you can take your main character there and deal with it yourself?
The end of the beginning has come and I know that we are not ready for it. |
SithEwok
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Posted - 2004.01.28 22:29:00 -
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Edited by: SithEwok on 28/01/2004 22:35:02
yep, perfect example of them liberating the area.
and that my friends is the difference between an alliance and pRATS.
we kill to secure the area after ignored warnings.. yes its a weak system, but it saves many innocent lives.
they kill for fun and try to justify it. simple
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shakaZ XV
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Posted - 2004.01.28 22:31:00 -
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Yeah I do need to get in line. Hehe. But what are these alts. I dont get it. Why take an alt somewhere when you can take your main character there and deal with it yourself?
risk free scouting 
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One small step for me, one giant leap for ALT-kind. |
Shakz
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Posted - 2004.01.28 22:31:00 -
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Because you WILL get blown up. So why take your nice ship out to get blown up? Especially if your just gather info about who is there, where they camp, and if its possible to get ore anywhere where they are not. Like I said they WILL kill you.
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HailFire
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Posted - 2004.01.28 22:32:00 -
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Thanks for all the info and I will have to try to keep this in mind. "Dont go into FOUNTAIN!!!" Unless I pay my dues first.
The end of the beginning has come and I know that we are not ready for it. |
SithEwok
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Posted - 2004.01.28 22:33:00 -
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Edited by: SithEwok on 28/01/2004 22:40:11
ugh.. forum blues today!
no dont go into fountain, you will not get our warning. Because we dont know who is good/bad. We know the miners and pkers there are bad. fortunately we have the man power at night to kill the miners. During the day we have enough to fight the pvpers.
u.s. times
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HailFire
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Posted - 2004.01.28 22:35:00 -
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Yeah I got the blues....oh...I got the blues. 
But its all good. Remember I was only in a shuttle and I didnt really lose anything but a little money.
The end of the beginning has come and I know that we are not ready for it. |
Pancho
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Posted - 2004.01.28 22:39:00 -
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Edited by: Pancho on 28/01/2004 22:44:41
The only real differance I have seen between the "good guys" and the "bad guys" in 0.0 systems is that the good guys just blow up your ship and give you a chance to run away in your pod. Bad guys will pod you in addition to blowing up your ship.
To me neither is any better than the other if you dont have implants. I mean your still gonna loose your 400k-12mil isk low lvl ship if you take your main out there cause the warning and chance to run only happens AFTER you get blown up. I even had a "good guy" ignore me when I asked him several times if he was gonna blow me up...and this "good guy" blew me up and podded me without a word. Then later when I was headed back a corp member of his just blew up my ship and warned me to leave. I mean think about it...they are all blocking areas from everyone. I actually tried to arrange a deal so that me and some corp members of mine could mine in the area. The guy I got pointed to talk to kept me chatting for over an hour asking all kinds of question bout my corp and demanding proof of our being a true legit corp. I proved it then the arse said well this area is closed to everyone.
Like I said either way you loose. Good, bad...whatever...lotta grey in there if you ask me.
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HailFire
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Posted - 2004.01.28 22:42:00 -
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Yeah I agree.
The end of the beginning has come and I know that we are not ready for it. |
HailFire
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Posted - 2004.01.28 22:46:00 -
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Well looks like Im starting all over again, but this time I will NOT go into FOUNTAIN. I will be a good person and stay in 1.0 til im ready to move.
The end of the beginning has come and I know that we are not ready for it. |
SithEwok
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Posted - 2004.01.28 22:47:00 -
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The only real differance I have seen between the "good guys" and the "bad guys" in 0.0 systems is that the good guys just blow up your ship and give you a chance to run away in your pod. Bad guys will pod you in addition to blowing up your ship.
To me neither is any better than the other if you dont have implants. I mean your still gonna loose your 400k-12mil isk low lvl ship if you take your main out there cause the warning and chance to run only happens AFTER you get blown up. I even had a "good guy" ignore me when I asked him several times if he was gonna blow me up...and this "good guy" blew me up and podded me without a word. Then later when I was headed back a corp member of his just blew up my ship and warned me to leave.
Like I said either way you loose. Good, bad...whatever...lotta grey in there if you ask me.
nobody asked you.
some alliances are different.
some pod you just like pirates.
FA gave warning. Members that dont give warning and fire only get ... well lets just say its not good for a player to act like a pirate in fa.
The difference is plain and simple.
Test in each region if you got the money.
See which area actually gives you a chance.
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HailFire
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Posted - 2004.01.28 22:50:00 -
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Who all here is in the FA and who all is a PIR?
The end of the beginning has come and I know that we are not ready for it. |
Pancho
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Posted - 2004.01.28 22:51:00 -
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Edited by: Pancho on 28/01/2004 22:53:55
I really dont care if anyone asked. I didnt ask for your snotty comment either did I; but I got it. My OPINION is that there is no significant difference between the two and if the so called good guys cant control their members then they ARE just as bad as the bad guys. DonÆt like my comment? DonÆt read it. Your arrogance only further proves my point.
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Ronyo Dae'Loki
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Posted - 2004.01.28 22:59:00 -
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We've punished people who get too trigger happy before.
Warnings come first, then boom.
(yes, I am part of FA)
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Pancho
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Posted - 2004.01.28 23:05:00 -
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Actually Hailfire...to add a lil to all my comments another reason to use an alt.
If you go into a 0.0 system and ask them why they killed you they will normally say "noob corps are KOS"
So if you go in under your real corp name they say "your corp is now KOS" so the safest bet for your corp at least with scouting. This is not everyone just everyone I have met in the 0.0 systmes so far...which is damn near everyone corp wise.
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SithEwok
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Posted - 2004.01.28 23:09:00 -
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Edited by: SithEwok on 28/01/2004 23:11:36
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Edited by: Pancho on 28/01/2004 22:53:55
I really dont care if anyone asked. I didnt ask for your snotty comment either did I; but I got it. My OPINION is that there is no significant difference between the two and if the so called good guys cant control their members then they ARE just as bad as the bad guys. DonÆt like my comment? DonÆt read it. Your arrogance only further proves my point.
oh im sorry, im sorry what i meant to say was mr pRAT alt that is trying to make alliances look like priates.. you can frost a turd but the filling is still the same. pRATs pod, take money all day long for passage, they still blow you up. I have seen it done, and its happend to one of my alts. I paid to go through in advance, still lost my ship, and pod. no convos, no mails, no talk in local i killed my alt. Now to go into fa, b4 it was crowded with pRAT cocroaches, you got a warning. If you communicated, sometimes we even gave free escorts.
TELL you the truth, to tighten up security we should behaive like pRATs. I am defending the way it is set up and I do not like people saying we are the same.
I appologize if you are not a pirate alt, but b4 you open your mouth and say alliances...(this classes all) kill just like pirates and there is no difference.. pls take a first hand look in each region and make sure that you know who is who.
yes many times n00b corps are kos because they are scouts of the enemy to report on how many and what is guarding. There are even signs on secure cans that give warning.
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pooti
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Posted - 2004.01.28 23:16:00 -
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uh oh, you made the star wars kid angry. now you're in big trouble.
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Eneroth
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Posted - 2004.01.28 23:36:00 -
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Now I know what kind of people we are dealing with and it is all crap. Why in the world would someone want to pod a noobie in a shuttle? I just dont get it.
Has this ever happened to you?
What are u that slow?? take a guess why they killed u.
Hmm a noob in fountain = spy in our eyes. Get ppl like u warping in and out all the time at the gates spying on us and our amount of ships.
-Any fool can pull a trigger.- |
HailFire
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Posted - 2004.01.28 23:50:00 -
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I didnt see any cans with warnings on them in FOUNTAIN.
The end of the beginning has come and I know that we are not ready for it. |
HailFire
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Posted - 2004.01.28 23:52:00 -
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Ok. I get it.
The end of the beginning has come and I know that we are not ready for it. |
S3VYN
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Posted - 2004.01.29 00:38:00 -
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The only real differance I have seen between the "good guys" and the "bad guys" in 0.0 systems is that the good guys just blow up your ship and give you a chance to run away in your pod. Bad guys will pod you in addition to blowing up your ship.
If we could be honest for a second... everyone is someone elses pirate. FA and large alliances claim they are "protecting their territory/interests" while pirates (those generally accepted as pirates) claim they have rights to that territory as well. Both are an integral part of the game. Both claim that the others are the evil party.
You'd be wise to understand boundaries in that section of space. Do you have ANY idea what sort of warzones you passed through on the way to Fountain? 
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pooti
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Posted - 2004.01.29 01:19:00 -
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Quote:
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Now I know what kind of people we are dealing with and it is all crap. Why in the world would someone want to pod a noobie in a shuttle? I just dont get it.
Has this ever happened to you?
What are u that slow?? take a guess why they killed u.
Hmm a noob in fountain = spy in our eyes. Get ppl like u warping in and out all the time at the gates spying on us and our amount of ships.
The minute you start attacking any and every ship you see the terrorists have won.
I know everyone in m0o has different goals when attacking alliances, but I like to see infighting and people resorting to what essentially is piracy in order to feel some sort of control over their "claimed" region.
Thanks! Hope ya rebuild so we can do it again sometime!
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PAPA
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Posted - 2004.01.29 01:23:00 -
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use your map if you goto a place,dont go to a place with lots of pod and or ship kills you are begging 2 DIE
sithewok spinning like a top lol, keep up the good work,but i think you are the only one buying it
im sure you will flame me as its the only thing you do 2 any post on here
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Havocide
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Posted - 2004.01.29 01:42:00 -
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Edited by: SithEwok on 28/01/2004 22:40:11
ugh.. forum blues today!
no dont go into fountain, you will not get our warning. Because we dont know who is good/bad. We know the miners and pkers there are bad. fortunately we have the man power at night to kill the miners. During the day we have enough to fight the pvpers.
u.s. times
Our miners keep bringing in hauler after hauler of ore so our miners are fine...
As for fighting... well yes you fight the war of words from your safe spot 
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SithEwok
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Posted - 2004.01.29 01:52:00 -
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use your map if you goto a place,dont go to a place with lots of pod and or ship kills you are begging 2 DIE
sithewok spinning like a top lol, keep up the good work,but i think you are the only one buying it
im sure you will flame me as its the only thing you do 2 any post on here
/P.0.ED mode off
/flame mode off
starting off as a miner I have been against pirates from the first time I got shot down. I never even visited the forums until then. I could see where pod kills were but did not use my map to watch for player pirates. Now I do.
I have been trainin pvp skills since I lost that ol thorax and kept up with pvp here and there.
Watching what wars were going on, who was podding who, seeing the pirates try to dismiss what they do gives me quite a laugh.
From being in an alliance I got to know A LOT of players. A few here and there decide to go pirate so they do bad things to get accepted.
You should not judge an entire alliance on a small number out of what 800?
Yes the one that shot me down the first time was an fa member but his corp disolved and he joined m0o. He was on his way out and seeking pvp. That was months ago.
In my experience being on FA patrols, EVERYTIME we gave people a chance to buy a pass, escort, and yes if they refused to leave we usually blew their ship away and let the pod leave on many occasions.
The pass bought time to hunt. If you wanted to you could get a few secure cans out there, load it up with ammo, then go chain spawn for hours. I made 12 mill in a few hours.. only in bounties. The mods exceeded that by far.
MANY people that dont even bother to write on the forums and I cannot blame them had a great time and came back so many times to chain spawn. Fa even gained a few allys out of the business. All alliances are not pirates. If you think they are, sorry but your wrong.
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Havocide
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Posted - 2004.01.29 01:53:00 -
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Why in the world would someone want to pod a noobie in a shuttle?
for cheap kicks... err i mean it could have been a scout!!
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Riddari
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Posted - 2004.01.29 02:05:00 -
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for cheap kicks... err i mean it could have been a scout!!
And another brilliant quote from BioMass, the never-podded-a-noob-shuttle-for-kicks team. Go TEAM!
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Pancho
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Posted - 2004.01.29 03:17:00 -
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Edited by: Pancho on 29/01/2004 03:20:40
Edited by: Pancho on 29/01/2004 03:18:47
"The minute you start attacking any and every ship you see the terrorists have won.
I know everyone in m0o has different goals when attacking alliances, but I like to see infighting and people resorting to what essentially is piracy in order to feel some sort of control over their "claimed" region.
Thanks! Hope ya rebuild so we can do it again sometime!"
Pootie you hit the nail right on the head! Thank YOU!
How is a legit noob corp to see the differance?!?! Yall are all griefing controling peeps...for the pirates its expected but for the "good" guys? OMG please quit fooling yourself into thinking your right in any way...your just like them as far as I and 100s of other players can see.
You have so much pride in what your doing...well I can prove my corp has been around since before eve beta has even going on...will you not blow us up? Can you swear on the name of your corp as NON-Pirates that none of your members will pod us IF an arrangement was made? I think not because you have done exactly what the pirate corps want you to do.
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HailFire
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Posted - 2004.01.29 04:26:00 -
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What are u that slow?? take a guess why they killed u.
Hmm a noob in fountain = spy in our eyes. Get ppl like u warping in and out all the time at the gates spying on us and our amount of ships.
The minute you start attacking any and every ship you see the terrorists have won.
I know everyone in m0o has different goals when attacking alliances, but I like to see infighting and people resorting to what essentially is piracy in order to feel some sort of control over their "claimed" region.
Thanks! Hope ya rebuild so we can do it again sometime!
Ok pooti I will do my best to build back up so that you can personally kill me. Hehe. No not really.
The end of the beginning has come and I know that we are not ready for it. |
HailFire
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Posted - 2004.01.29 04:35:00 -
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Dont worry to much about killing me. (As if you would anyway.) But I will try to rebuild my character so that I can someday fight you one-on-one and hopefully win.
Oh yeah, what is up with the title of mOo and cow. I dont get it. Why would anyone want there corperation to be called mOo or cow. Now pak i can understand. (No offense intended my this comment.)
The end of the beginning has come and I know that we are not ready for it. |
Judicator
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Posted - 2004.01.29 08:25:00 -
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Edited by: Judicator on 29/01/2004 08:27:27
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Ok this is how it goes. I went 31 jumps to Vaini to check some of the stuff on the market. Then I went into FOUNTAIN (knowing that I'm not suppose to) and I thought that the FA would pod me if they saw me. Well I ran into Emperor (Spartan now in EPA) and Havocide (BioMass Cartel), so I decided since I was still totally new to this game I would just continue on my way. After a few jumps, I jumped in right above Havocide and then Emperor jumped in right behind me. I was in a shuttle and thought that I could out run them, but I didnt have a chance to. (I never saw them lock onto me.) This is the message I received after my podding.
2004.01.28 05:26:00
Solar System: Y-1W01
System Security Level: 0.0
Involved parties:
Name: Havocide (laid the final blow)
Security Status: 0.5
Corporation: BioMass Cartel
Ship Type: Megathron
Weapon Type: Neutron Blaster Cannon I
I came to the conclusion that I really dont know if Emperor fired on me or not, but I do know that Havocide did. Now I know what kind of people we are dealing with and it is all crap. Why in the world would someone want to pod a noobie in a shuttle? I just dont get it.
Has this ever happened to you?
Stupid things die...
Edit: Saw your last post:_
m0o = masters of ownage
cow = carebears on weed
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Omniwar
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Posted - 2004.01.29 09:54:00 -
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It does not matter who it is that controls a region, everyone tries to keep it secure from others, some kill those who enter while others sell passes, enter stain and you will be shot, enter venal and you will be shot, enter curse and you will be shot, enter fountain and you will get shot.
FE is taking over Fountain, it¦s no more wrong for FE to claim the region than it is for FA to.
No matter who controls it, NO ONE is allowed to mine there so it does not matter to those outside of FA who is in charge of the region.
Power is everything in EVE and those who have the most power will rule, it is that simple.
At the moment everyone is considered a hostile in fountain but as the region gets more secure the rules will change.
Spawn of the Devil
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Ywev
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Posted - 2004.01.29 10:07:00 -
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anyone in 0.0 space is fair game, if you don't want to take a risk of dying don't leave empire.
Pod ya later..
Ywev
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SKiNNiEH
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Posted - 2004.01.29 10:14:00 -
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Omniwar: And what do you think of the CFS region and how they believe 0.0 space should be? I'm not talking about the actual fighting going on there, but the belief that space should be open yet protected.
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Zarthan
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Posted - 2004.01.29 12:30:00 -
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Quote:
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Why in the world would someone want to pod a noobie in a shuttle? I just dont get it.
its because of those 'newbie scouts' aka alts who are basically unkillable because they get podded again and again but u never really get rid of them..
btw those that attacked u aint FA, they are pirates(Forsake empire)
true they arn't FA, but those guys would pod anything just for the heck of it they don't need a reason.
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Omniwar
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Posted - 2004.01.29 13:33:00 -
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Omniwar: And what do you think of the CFS region and how they believe 0.0 space should be? I'm not talking about the actual fighting going on there, but the belief that space should be open yet protected.
I dont know the politics of CFS and I really dont care.
It is doomed to fail to have a regional alliance and still let anyone in for free since their members will die when problems happen and the free loaders will leave the region after taking as much as possible of the resources.
So CFS is doomed to fail, in one form or another.
Spawn of the Devil
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HailFire
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Posted - 2004.01.29 14:37:00 -
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Ok. This has been helpful to me and I will try to say away from all the PIRS out there, but what pir clans and corperations should I stay away from?
The end of the beginning has come and I know that we are not ready for it. |
Omniwar
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Posted - 2004.01.29 14:42:00 -
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Ok. This has been helpful to me and I will try to say away from all the PIRS out there, but what pir clans and corperations should I stay away from?
Dont trust anyone in 0.0 to 0.4 security systems.
Even if they are not pirates they might have an urge of killing you, just because they can
Spawn of the Devil
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HailFire
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Posted - 2004.01.29 14:43:00 -
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Ah. Ok. I think that I might be able to do that. Thanks.
The end of the beginning has come and I know that we are not ready for it. |
Blade Durrant
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Posted - 2004.01.29 17:22:00 -
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Golden rule of alliances:
Alliance = Griefers who proclaim not to be griefers.
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HailFire
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Posted - 2004.01.29 17:38:00 -
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Um, ok.
The end of the beginning has come and I know that we are not ready for it. |
Lentia
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Posted - 2004.01.29 17:42:00 -
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Edited by: Lentia on 29/01/2004 17:43:03
Hailfire,
A short time ago (and hopefully soon in the future) the Fountain Region was open to non-FA members. We had a active pass system, 1M/day for trade or farming, but not mining. It was fairly easy to make more than 20M in a few hours. All passes could be confirmed by any member if there was a question. If you were found without a pass there was a series of standard warning and usually an offer for an escort out if you were civil otherwise you were then made KOS.
Now however Fountain is a warzone and so the pass system is shut down. There is just no way to figure who is a spy and who isnt. There is no way to offer protection to visitors when we are struggling to maintain protection for ourselves.
So maybe in a few months u will have your BS and the FA will be back up and running with an acitve pass system, maybe not. Just ask around first.
The pirates of the FE believe a region cannot be defended and wish to propagate chaos. We of a civil society believe that it can. The war in Fountain represents opposing forces of Law and Chaos. Law has reigned in Fountain for a long time, the pedulum has just swung the other way, but it will swing back, I assure you......
Lentia
Military Officer
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HailFire
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Posted - 2004.01.29 18:19:00 -
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Lentia, its good to know that someday I will be able to trust some people with my EVE-life.
The end of the beginning has come and I know that we are not ready for it. |
Jhered Stern
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Posted - 2004.01.29 18:38:00 -
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HailFire,
Allow me to explain it to you in a reasonable and rational manner why you were poded. The Golden Horde (M0o, FE, et al.) are at war with the FA. Fountain is an occupied territory. Like any occupied territory in a war zone there is a high level of security. The enemy will use what ever means to deliver supplies from point A to point B. The most commonly misperceived method in EVE of safely transporting goods and or scouting is using a shuttle or noobe ship. We blow them up on site because; they are fast and reliable curriers in the right hands and most likely in the employ of the enemy. We do not have the time to stop and question people. The game mechanics of EVE do not offer the ability to detain people for more then a few minutes. Even if we warp scrambled and webified you to ask you questions, we would be putting ourselves at risk of ambush. So the simple rule of thumb here is shoot first ask questions later.
Now if you want to travel to Fountain for some reason you need to contact us and state your business. We will then decide if we have the resources to escort you to a location and back. You must remember, this is a war we are fighting and not a safe place.
Also, you must realize that members of the Golden Horde are the most villainous band of marauders ever to curse the space of EVE. We are committed to our ways and to each other. We do make exceptions for those who want to do straight business with us. We do not go back on our word and we will protect business partners. Many so called ærighteousÆ EVE players do business with us and then talk smack about us on the forums.
My advice is this. DonÆt restrict yourself to the carebear way of life in empire space. The real excitement is out beyond the borders of the 4 states. ItÆs there that you will learn to survive and become a successful player.
Good Luck and Good Hunting
Jhered Out!
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2004.01.29 19:37:00 -
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How much does a hunting pass cost these days, those FA people must drop good items. @_@ 
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2004.01.29 19:38:00 -
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D'oh, wrong alt.
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Aerick Dawn
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Posted - 2004.01.29 21:12:00 -
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Exactly what Lentia said.
The citizens of Fountain would at least warn you if you got into the system, however, as the pirates said, Fountain is in a state of war that has been going on for almost a month now.
Sometimes we control it, and sometimes they do, and this will probably continue for a very long time until FE leaves the area.
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HailFire
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Posted - 2004.02.06 16:02:00 -
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Ah ok. I take it that the FE aren't going to leave anytime soon.
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