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Valdis Corick GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.27 15:58:00 - [181] Part III should be entirely about the Hit[l]er-cat. Much more itneresting read Do not discuss moderation in your signature - Should you continue to do so, you will lose the ability to use a signature - Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
Mihailo Great GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.27 16:33:00 - [182] Originally by: Valdis Corick Part III should be entirely about the Hit[l]er-cat. Much more itneresting read dis try to explain how much in common your cat and bob leadership have
Krasnij Okjabre Caldari Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.07.27 16:34:00 - [183] Edited by: Krasnij Okjabre on 27/07/2007 16:36:57 I'm sat here wondering if the cat in question looks like this. Edited for link. Light is faster than sound... this is why some people appear bright until you speak to them...
JenDen Caldari LFS Corp	Posted - 2007.07.27 18:59:00 - [184] Originally by: James 315 Why Is BoB Losing? Part II: Survival of the Faithless Very solid and respectful post. Took some time to read it all but it's worth it. James 315, I wish I could buy you a beer. Module/Rig stacknerfing explained
Murina Gallente The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.28 02:52:00 - [185] All i see when i read any anti-bob post especialy ones like the OP is a player who at one time or another lost big time to bob and is looking for a way to get a dig in. The ascn issue was a prime example they fought the biggest alliance in the game and all they got from ppl like the OP was comments about how ascn were not a pvp alliance. Well who should they have fought then if the biggest was wrong?. Id be glad to hear from anybody who can say how and who bob should have fought, perhaps everybody all at once so they would actualy lose?.
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.28 03:40:00 - [186] Originally by: James 315 Since BoB is not invincible, it must inevitably run into an opposing force that is superior. It seems to me the only reason BOB and allies will ever lose is because of their own successes. In beating virtualy every alliance of note they have or will eventualy have pushed so many refugees (for want of a better word) together that they will eventualy get to a point of stalemate. A point where the sheer numbers of hostile corps and alliances arrayed against them is just to great and a situation arises where they come to a halt, unable to push forwards but with hostiles unwilling to leave their areas to invade the real BOB and allies regions. It will not be goon, ra or any other of the child like alliances that will put a halt to BOB's and allies march across the eve universe it will be BOB and allies themseves. Although im sure goon and others will try to take the credit the fact is there never will be another alliance to rival BOB or there allies in the way they played and worked eve and who's failure will be due and only due to their successes.
CrispyKritters Caldari GoonFleet	Posted - 2007.07.28 03:55:00 - [187] Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Originally by: James 315 Since BoB is not invincible, it must inevitably run into an opposing force that is superior. It seems to me the only reason BOB and allies will ever lose is because of their own successes. In beating virtualy every alliance of note they have or will eventualy have pushed so many refugees (for want of a better word) together that they will eventualy get to a point of stalemate. A point where the sheer numbers of hostile corps and alliances arrayed against them is just to great and a situation arises where they come to a halt, unable to push forwards but with hostiles unwilling to leave their areas to invade the real BOB and allies regions. It will not be goon, ra or any other of the child like alliances that will put a halt to BOB's and allies march across the eve universe it will be BOB and allies themseves. Although im sure goon and others will try to take the credit the fact is there never will be another alliance to rival BOB or there allies in the way they played and worked eve and who's failure will be due and only due to their successes. If you slurp a few more times like this, BoB may let you in.
Laura Baretta Minmatar Excidium.	Posted - 2007.07.28 04:11:00 - [188] A look into two possible futures: Side A wants to rid Space of the Landlord in the south, even tho they probably know that they can never hold that much space and keep it themselves. That means they will have to either become Landlords themselves, or pull out of the conquered territory at some point and leave it to smaller Alliances to work it out themselves. The strongest will survive and at some point terrorise their neighbors, and through constant struggles and absorption eventually become another huge powerblock. At wich point history will repeat itself. Basically this is the way 0.0 is today. Side B wants to bring the whole universe under its control and become a Galactic Empire. The strongest, smaller Alliances are instated as Territorial Guardians, while smaller, weaker Renters live under their wing. Eventually the space will be safer if at some point there really should be no independent Opponent left. Pirates, Resistance and Freedom Fighters would raid the territories and Guerilla warfare of fast moving gangs would be the biggest part of fighting inside the Empire. The only way to kill such a behemoth would be from the inside, through decay of relations and use of conspiracies. There would probably be an Infrastructure in 0.0 similar to High Sec. Old Enemies and ideologies would hide under the mantle of Pet-Alliances and band together in secret. Once they built up enough ressources they would revolt and another big conflict would arise. This would continue until A revolt would successfully declare independence from the Galactic Empire. At wich point fragmentation might tear it apart.
Moonlight Express Amarr Moonlight Express Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.28 04:16:00 - [189] Originally by: CrispyKritters Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Originally by: James 315 Since BoB is not invincible, it must inevitably run into an opposing force that is superior. It seems to me the only reason BOB and allies will ever lose is because of their own successes. In beating virtualy every alliance of note they have or will eventualy have pushed so many refugees (for want of a better word) together that they will eventualy get to a point of stalemate. A point where the sheer numbers of hostile corps and alliances arrayed against them is just to great and a situation arises where they come to a halt, unable to push forwards but with hostiles unwilling to leave their areas to invade the real BOB and allies regions. It will not be goon, ra or any other of the child like alliances that will put a halt to BOB's and allies march across the eve universe it will be BOB and allies themseves. Although im sure goon and others will try to take the credit the fact is there never will be another alliance to rival BOB or there allies in the way they played and worked eve and who's failure will be due and only due to their successes. If you slurp a few more times like this, BoB may let you in. or you can pay a one time fee of $9.95 and the goons will let you in.
CrispyKritters Caldari GoonFleet	Posted - 2007.07.28 04:31:00 - [190] Originally by: Moonlight Express Originally by: CrispyKritters Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Originally by: James 315 Since BoB is not invincible, it must inevitably run into an opposing force that is superior. It seems to me the only reason BOB and allies will ever lose is because of their own successes. In beating virtualy every alliance of note they have or will eventualy have pushed so many refugees (for want of a better word) together that they will eventualy get to a point of stalemate. A point where the sheer numbers of hostile corps and alliances arrayed against them is just to great and a situation arises where they come to a halt, unable to push forwards but with hostiles unwilling to leave their areas to invade the real BOB and allies regions. It will not be goon, ra or any other of the child like alliances that will put a halt to BOB's and allies march across the eve universe it will be BOB and allies themseves. Although im sure goon and others will try to take the credit the fact is there never will be another alliance to rival BOB or there allies in the way they played and worked eve and who's failure will be due and only due to their successes. If you slurp a few more times like this, BoB may let you in. or you can pay a one time fee of $9.95 and the goons will let you in. ok

Kraknall Minmatar Eve's Brothers of Destiny	Posted - 2007.07.28 05:24:00 - [191] "...while our opponents are very worthy ..." This line sort of confuses me. Apart from the epic wars that we read about between BoB and [insert corpname/alliance here] involving massed capships and the odd Titan, aren't most wars fought by roving mini-bands of gank squads in recons looking to pick off lone targets? By that metric, most "wars" don't involve anyone I'd consider worthy. It's almost always a case of "We outnumber them, we fight. Wait, OH CRAP we're outnumbered, dock and get the Arazus!!"
Sgt Jinxed Obsidian Inc. KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.28 06:22:00 - [192] Originally by: Krasnij Okjabre Edited by: Krasnij Okjabre on 27/07/2007 16:36:57 I'm sat here wondering if the cat in question looks like this. Holy **** dude Oo
Orangir GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.28 07:08:00 - [193] Originally by: Moonlight Express or you can pay a one time fee of $9.95 and the goons will let you in. Hey now, you have to wait to wait 3 months also. :colbert: Honestly though, I'd much rather pay 10 bux and wait 3 months than get on my knees and fellate a bunch of egotistical ****sockers for 2 years if I wanted to get into one of the "big powers".
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.28 08:44:00 - [194] Originally by: Murina All i see when i read any anti-bob post especialy ones like the OP is a player who at one time or another lost big time to bob and is looking for a way to get a dig in. The ascn issue was a prime example they fought the biggest alliance in the game and all they got from ppl like the OP was comments about how ascn were not a pvp alliance. Well who should they have fought then if the biggest was wrong?. Id be glad to hear from anybody who can say how and who bob should have fought, perhaps everybody all at once so they would actualy lose?. An interesting point to note before the ascn war was that folks were saying that bob wouldn't dare fight ascn/ they had too much power / too dug in / superior industry and it would result in a stalemate etc. As the war raged though, there tune changed and suddenly bob was a bully for picking on the weakest alliance ( insert james15 style propoganda ad nauesm). It was amusing from our perspective because alot of the reds out there ( baddies) were saying they would simply outblob us/ overwhelm us/ we wouldn't stand a chance . GOONIES = OMNIPOTENCE INCARNATE
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.07.28 09:00:00 - [195] Well, it seems that work since rev 2.1 -=-=-
Mihailo Great GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.28 09:16:00 - [196] You only have to look at BOB's progress now to see how unimpressive they are and can guess how unimpressive they were back then. Talking about Eve history is useless, the present says all there needs to be said. If you solely rely on the BOB killboard to see the progress, you will be disapointed. BOB's killboard displays shuttle and capsule kills on their front page to bolster their image of having a long list of kills daily. They probably have the worst killboard, next to us. It's just the Southern Coalition vs the GBC now, so the train lost half it's wagons, and BOB is still moving, or should I say retreating. There is no D2 in fountain, no one attacking their homes, but still BOB turnout is poor. One thing for sure, BOB are no WTFBBQ'er. If they were, they wouldn't be moving "cautiously". It's a fun war, and CCP does an excellent job considering everything.
Fitz Chivalry eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.28 09:59:00 - [197] Originally by: fire 59 Originally by: Murina All i see when i read any anti-bob post especialy ones like the OP is a player who at one time or another lost big time to bob and is looking for a way to get a dig in. The ascn issue was a prime example they fought the biggest alliance in the game and all they got from ppl like the OP was comments about how ascn were not a pvp alliance. Well who should they have fought then if the biggest was wrong?. Id be glad to hear from anybody who can say how and who bob should have fought, perhaps everybody all at once so they would actualy lose?. An interesting point to note before the ascn war was that folks were saying that bob wouldn't dare fight ascn/ they had too much power / too dug in / superior industry and it would result in a stalemate etc. As the war raged though, there tune changed and suddenly bob was a bully for picking on the weakest alliance ( insert james15 style propoganda ad nauesm). It was amusing from our perspective because alot of the reds out there ( baddies) were saying they would simply outblob us/ overwhelm us/ we wouldn't stand a chance . I don't remember anyone stating that Fire? Can you show me where? Certainly I doubt it was anyone from ASCN, unless it was on internal ASCN forums for morale boosting purposes. Everyone in ASCN was pretty much "right, thats it we are pretty much ******" from the word go, which helps to explain our amazing successes to some degree. You knew very well what a state ascn was in before you attacked, considering you had HC access. Don't feel bad though, everyone goes for soft targets, whether its you or any one of the l33t pvp corps/alliances out there, its very rare anyone goes after anyone they perceive to be any good.
Amy Frost eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.28 10:11:00 - [198] Lovely read... Keep 'em coming... Amy Frost Originally by: t20 bree si not suppsoed to be ptu thruog a hoem crabontaion sysetm !
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.28 10:15:00 - [199] Originally by: Fitz Chivalry Originally by: fire 59 Originally by: Murina All i see when i read any anti-bob post especialy ones like the OP is a player who at one time or another lost big time to bob and is looking for a way to get a dig in. The ascn issue was a prime example they fought the biggest alliance in the game and all they got from ppl like the OP was comments about how ascn were not a pvp alliance. Well who should they have fought then if the biggest was wrong?. Id be glad to hear from anybody who can say how and who bob should have fought, perhaps everybody all at once so they would actualy lose?. An interesting point to note before the ascn war was that folks were saying that bob wouldn't dare fight ascn/ they had too much power / too dug in / superior industry and it would result in a stalemate etc. As the war raged though, there tune changed and suddenly bob was a bully for picking on the weakest alliance ( insert james15 style propoganda ad nauesm). It was amusing from our perspective because alot of the reds out there ( baddies) were saying they would simply outblob us/ overwhelm us/ we wouldn't stand a chance . I don't remember anyone stating that Fire? Can you show me where? Certainly I doubt it was anyone from ASCN, unless it was on internal ASCN forums for morale boosting purposes. Everyone in ASCN was pretty much "right, thats it we are pretty much ******" from the word go, which helps to explain our amazing successes to some degree. You knew very well what a state ascn was in before you attacked, considering you had HC access. Don't feel bad though, everyone goes for soft targets, whether its you or any one of the l33t pvp corps/alliances out there, its very rare anyone goes after anyone they perceive to be any good. go look at the threads from back then ( can't be assed to search). It wasn't you guys, ascn, saying that. It was all the naysayers and enemies of bob of bob saying we had met our match/ we were doomed/ we stand no chance against ascn industrial might. Which is kinda my point, all the baddies were moanign about saying we go for soft targets/ after mc/ only if isolated etc, but the community on the form said all that stuff about us fighting ascn and how it would be a stalemate, and then backtracked massively that we were picking on a soft target when it became apparent that we were doing alright Everyone moaned that we demonised ascn when in fact, it was they who started the who slagging off thing on there internal forums, and because we brought the lies and bs into the public forum, we were called bad / evil/ traffic wardens etc. I find that the most curious thing to come from all that tbh, it's okay to slag someone off behind there back but if you're called up on it, you are doing wrong? Very strange stuff The current war is a challenge and is dam fun and will not end for a very longtime. Goonies bragging that we are already defeated/ low turnout/ demoralised (lol?) is amusing to watch, doesn't seem to stop bob fleets forming and fighting but i guess the enemy has to do what it can to bolster morale. GOONIES = OMNIPOTENCE INCARNATE
TZeer BURN EDEN	Posted - 2007.07.28 10:20:00 - [200] I think you guys having access to HC forums, TS and the ability to offline POSFs helped a great deal.

LeBelInconnu GoonFleet	Posted - 2007.07.28 10:35:00 - [201] Edited by: LeBelInconnu on 28/07/2007 10:37:52 Admittedly I've not yet done much in terms of pvp yet, but yeah I applied to the GS for the most part cause they seemed to be the most fun and competent enemies of BoB that one could find. I just don't see why any new player would want to apply to BoB unless they were complete suck-ups. And even then you'd never be anything to them SP-wise. It's just too bad that the way EVE is set up there seems to be little way for someone who's new to matter as much as someone with many more SP gained simply over time no matter how much they work at it. At least GS is a way to give the bird to people who want to rest on that fact and claim impotence...I mean omnipotence. And as for who's going to win, if anyone even can completely win, who knows. But there's a lot to be said about the allies you choose and the way you conduct yourself, and what more can you control than that?
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.28 10:45:00 - [202] Edited by: fire 59 on 28/07/2007 10:46:55 Edit - Meh, why am i responding to an obvious goon alt doing the propoganda thing GOONIES = OMNIPOTENCE INCARNATE
Ogodai John The Bakhunov Family	Posted - 2007.07.28 10:49:00 - [203] Originally by: fire 59 Edited by: fire 59 on 28/07/2007 10:46:55 Edit - Meh, why am i responding to an obvious goon alt doing the propoganda thing Which one? The guy from eXceed or the one from GoonFleet?
Charles Case Caldari Duragon Pioneer Group GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.28 10:55:00 - [204] does anyone else think fire59 is loosing it? are you ok buddyo seriously Your signature has been deemed inappropriate. If you have any questions about this please Mail the Mods be sure to include a link to your signature. -Darth Patches
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.28 10:59:00 - [205] Originally by: Charles Case does anyone else think fire59 is loosing it? are you ok buddyo seriously twitch spasm . How can i lose what i never had ( looks over shoulder ) GOONIES = OMNIPOTENCE INCARNATE
Mihailo Great GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.28 11:16:00 - [206] Originally by: fire 59 twitch spasm . How can i lose what i never had ( looks over shoulder ) what?
Stinkywrix GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.28 11:21:00 - [207] Originally by: Charles Case Originally by: fire 59 To my horror my fears had been realised I told my sister that I would be at her place within an hour. I rang the Katoomba Police and spoke with the Police Officer who found my father. He was traumatised. He told me on the phone that he had never witnessed anything quite like what he had found in my father's bed in his entire Police career. As a humanitarian and a nurse, I began to listen to him recount the events of he and his colleagues finding my fathers body. Or rather particular by the smell. The flies. The blood on the walls. He told me that it looked like a possible suicide. As I listened quietly to this Police officer it occurred to me, that my father's death did not only have a final impact on him, but was going to have a powerful rippling effect on many people. I drove to my sister's house. When I walked in the door of my sister's house, the air was tense. My other sister was there. The 14th October, happened to be her birthday. My brother in law was there as well. I again rang the Police. This time the Hornsby Police, who delivered the news of the discovery of my father's body to my sister's. I asked the Sergeant to come back to the house and explain to me the course of action that we now needed to take. The Sergeant, in his duty, was visibly shaken by having to relay such news to the family. My father's family was in disbelief. Numb. Numb of the news. Rational normal people were making irrational decisions. That afternoon, I asked my two sons to drive very carefully to their aunt's place. On telling the news of his grandfather's death to my second son, a physically strong young man in his third year of a Cabinetmaking apprenticeship, he collapsed. My sister and myself broke his fall. In telling my eldest son, the anguish and sadness that he showed was beginning to shake the usual rock solid foundation of my personality. I could not drive home. My eldest son drove me home that night. As we were driving home, I had yet to tell my two youngest daughters of the news of their grandfather's death. Both of my daughters were hysterical and in disbelief. Numb. Not understanding. Incomprehensible. That this larger than life man, their Grandfather, was now no longer with us. As the days passed the real agony of this story began. This thread took an interesting turn. gettin popcorn fo dis. Your signature was inappropriate, email [email protected] to find out why (don't forget to include a link to it) -Sahwoolo
KIATolon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.28 11:22:00 - [208] Originally by: Mihailo Great Originally by: fire 59 twitch spasm . How can i lose what i never had ( looks over shoulder ) what? He's saying he was never together. And he didn't mean it literally. He was being light hearted. Behave.
Mihailo Great GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.28 11:26:00 - [209] Originally by: KIATolon light hearted Oh my, I must apologize to Fire 59, I didn't know he had heart problems.
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.28 11:41:00 - [210] Originally by: Mihailo Great Originally by: KIATolon light hearted Oh my, I must apologize to Fire 59, I didn't know he had heart problems. I know you are trying to find something to get me with but it's okay. I accept your apology and forgive you. Lets hope this is the first step towards a better community, where peace, prosperity and vast fields of veld welcome all. We share a common vision of happiness, where goon and bob kind can frolick and sing in harmony <3 GOONIES = OMNIPOTENCE INCARNATE



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