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SubTig	Posted - 2007.07.27 23:22:00 - [61] I've read his book, and it's more or less exactly what goes on. There is alot more stuff that doesn't get mentioned about how we really operate. That blue line is very thin and at time damn see through and we struggle to stay out of the stations sometimes and keep going. I have just worked 25 hours in 2 days and still have 4 days of this set left to go, and I really wish I could say that I had arrested a rapist or drug dealer, but I didn't. The last 4 hours of yesterday's 13 hours shift whats dealing with a shop lifter whole attempted to steal an item worth 3.99, and I still have not completed my enquiries. Every time I hear why aren't you arresting real criminals like drug deals, rapists and murderers I want to scream, it's not like they walk around all day with effing big signs above their head. We actually generate alot of work from stop cars, people not wearing seat belts and on their phones etc, this normally leads onto other stuff thats far worse. In those case's I generally reply, I would be if I wasn't dealing with you right now... works a treat. SubTig Originally by: Fink Angel Mate, if it helps at all you would be amazed at how much respect the average law abiding Joe Bloggs has for you guys. I couldn't do it, I'd be sacked for over stepping the mark on the first night I was out and about! As far as I'm concerned you could taser, or use CS spray the second someone doesn't co-operate with you, let alone as a last resort. Have you ever read Coppersblog? A great slice of life for a real PC. This guy and people like yourself are who the government should be consulting on future policy. Oh, and me of course!
Or'Chan Minmatar	Posted - 2007.07.27 23:23:00 - [62] Am I missing something here? Ambulance vs motorbike; it's an emergency, seconds are priceless; why didn't the driver just push past the bike?
Locus Bey Gallente Qalandar	Posted - 2007.07.27 23:53:00 - [63] 1. The police force in all countries is corrupt. In most countries all the way to the top they are tied in with the hard core criminal element of society. (Why do you think ****** has never been eradicated?) Giving the police force extra powers is farcical and draconian. 2. The prison system is overcrowded and disfunctional because society has little care or desire for reform. In countries like the US new prisons open at a staggering rate, and are considered a great source of revenue for struggling towns I urge you to see "Ghosts of the Civil Dead" if you want to know what the prison system is like. 23 hours in lockdown does nothing to rehabilitate an individual. Society wonders why we become more and more disfunctional, and yet ignores the travesty of the prison system. Do you really think a private institution has a vested interest in the wellbeing and reform of an individual, when the bottom dollar is number 1. Surely we are intelligent enough to realise that turning a blind eye to the prison system doesn't work by now. It is a sad indictment on our society that we are to lazy to care about real prisoner reform. 3. It truely amazes me what a bunch of neanderthal kneejerk reactionists you people are. It is obvious the irony of the violence with which you speak, and desire to be implemented is lost on you. Perhaps if you looked at the root of the disfunction and the fact that society prefers to throw away the key and ignore, you might find the answer to reform. It is no wonder that increased draconian measures find welcome arms, when people are to lazy to seek genuine solutions.
Xen Gin The Dragoons X-PACT	Posted - 2007.07.28 01:17:00 - [64] On a side note, Prisons were never meant as a punishment, they were a means of holding a person until they had to start their 'punishment' (That usually meant the gallows).
Captain Hudson Caldari Intergalactic Space Defense Force THE R0CK	Posted - 2007.07.28 01:36:00 - [65] Originally by: Locus Bey 1. The police force in all countries is corrupt. In most countries all the way to the top they are tied in with the hard core criminal element of society. (Why do you think **** has never been eradicated?) Giving the police force extra powers is farcical and draconian. 2. The prison system is overcrowded and disfunctional because society has little care or desire for reform. In countries like the US new prisons open at a staggering rate, and are considered a great source of revenue for struggling towns I urge you to see "Ghosts of the Civil Dead" if you want to know what the prison system is like. 23 hours in lockdown does nothing to rehabilitate an individual. Society wonders why we become more and more disfunctional, and yet ignores the travesty of the prison system. Do you really think a private institution has a vested interest in the wellbeing and reform of an individual, when the bottom dollar is number 1. Surely we are intelligent enough to realise that turning a blind eye to the prison system doesn't work by now. It is a sad indictment on our society that we are to lazy to care about real prisoner reform. 3. It truely amazes me what a bunch of neanderthal kneejerk reactionists you people are. It is obvious the irony of the violence with which you speak, and desire to be implemented is lost on you. Perhaps if you looked at the root of the disfunction and the fact that society prefers to throw away the key and ignore, you might find the answer to reform. It is no wonder that increased draconian measures find welcome arms, when people are to lazy to seek genuine solutions. Its carebears like you that help increase crime. oh noes dont hurt harold shipman who killed 200+ people, let him have a free roof,bed and food for the rest of his life. Should hung the sick tw@t Originally by:** SPQRMocton We would love to have a bunch of teenage pimple boys with no real pvp ability to fil our corpse yards
Locus Bey Gallente Qalandar	Posted - 2007.07.28 02:15:00 - [66] Originally by: Captain Hudson Originally by: Locus Bey 1. The police force in all countries is corrupt. In most countries all the way to the top they are tied in with the hard core criminal element of society. (Why do you think ****** has never been eradicated?) Giving the police force extra powers is farcical and draconian. 2. The prison system is overcrowded and disfunctional because society has little care or desire for reform. In countries like the US new prisons open at a staggering rate, and are considered a great source of revenue for struggling towns I urge you to see "Ghosts of the Civil Dead" if you want to know what the prison system is like. 23 hours in lockdown does nothing to rehabilitate an individual. Society wonders why we become more and more disfunctional, and yet ignores the travesty of the prison system. Do you really think a private institution has a vested interest in the wellbeing and reform of an individual, when the bottom dollar is number 1. Surely we are intelligent enough to realise that turning a blind eye to the prison system doesn't work by now. It is a sad indictment on our society that we are to lazy to care about real prisoner reform. 3. It truely amazes me what a bunch of neanderthal kneejerk reactionists you people are. It is obvious the irony of the violence with which you speak, and desire to be implemented is lost on you. Perhaps if you looked at the root of the disfunction and the fact that society prefers to throw away the key and ignore, you might find the answer to reform. It is no wonder that increased draconian measures find welcome arms, when people are to lazy to seek genuine solutions. Its carebears like you that help increase crime. oh noes dont hurt harold shipman who killed 200+ people, let him have a free roof,bed and food for the rest of his life. Should hung the sick tw@t very intelligent retort there how is harold indicitive of the crime problem or the fact that prisons don't reform prisoners? and to suggest 'people like me' increase crime is beyond idiotic. it's actually lazy people like you who can't be bothered to inform themselves of why society finds itself in it's current predicament, and lazily defer to harsher penalties because they can't be bothered thinking through the solutions, let alone calling for reform of the system. Your mentality is no better than those you seek to punish, in fact it is worse.
Atama Cardel	Posted - 2007.07.28 02:42:00 - [67] Originally by: Captain Hudson No one respects the police anymore as they cant do anything with those little trunchen things they have, give the police guns and more freedom from the killer paperwork they have. 10 years time and london will be as bad as new york was in parts! Wait, the police in London don't have guns?
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.07.28 03:32:00 - [68] Originally by: Atama Cardel Originally by: Captain Hudson No one respects the police anymore as they cant do anything with those little trunchen things they have, give the police guns and more freedom from the killer paperwork they have. 10 years time and london will be as bad as new york was in parts! Wait, the police in London don't have guns? IIRC, your average cop walking a beat in London is not armed. That may have changed post-7/7. Special Operations officers, however, are armed to the freaking teeth with some of the nastiest hardware money can buy. ^_^ Oh, and as to the side discussion about police officers: we don't respect you because too many of your brethren have proven they have no respect for the rule of law. They're more than willing to bend or break laws in order to enforce. The DEA, BATFU, narcotics, vice, they've ruined it for you. Couple it with the officers who are just on the force so they have a shield for their bullying, and there you have it.
Valan	Posted - 2007.07.28 07:24:00 - [69] Throw them in a mincer, turn them into dog food. With resources and space at a premium in todays world the only way to go is recycle the useless. /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game three years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig
Chainsaw Plankton	Posted - 2007.07.28 07:31:00 - [70] Edited by: Chainsaw Plankton on 28/07/2007 07:31:16 give me liberty or give me death personally if i ever get a death penalty i will request a public hanging and if they don't comply i will sue for cruel and unusual punishment mwhahahahahahaahaha a cord of rope a ladder and a tree cost a lot less than life in prison..... slight misread. but public humiliation and pain are also good forms of punishment
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar Sicarri Covenant	Posted - 2007.07.28 10:04:00 - [71] Originally by: Locus Bey 1. The police force in all countries is corrupt. In most countries all the way to the top they are tied in with the hard core criminal element of society. (Why do you think ****** has never been eradicated?) Giving the police force extra powers is farcical and draconian. 2. The prison system is overcrowded and disfunctional because society has little care or desire for reform. In countries like the US new prisons open at a staggering rate, and are considered a great source of revenue for struggling towns I urge you to see "Ghosts of the Civil Dead" if you want to know what the prison system is like. 23 hours in lockdown does nothing to rehabilitate an individual. Society wonders why we become more and more disfunctional, and yet ignores the travesty of the prison system. Do you really think a private institution has a vested interest in the wellbeing and reform of an individual, when the bottom dollar is number 1. Surely we are intelligent enough to realise that turning a blind eye to the prison system doesn't work by now. It is a sad indictment on our society that we are to lazy to care about real prisoner reform. 3. It truely amazes me what a bunch of neanderthal kneejerk reactionists you people are. It is obvious the irony of the violence with which you speak, and desire to be implemented is lost on you. Perhaps if you looked at the root of the disfunction and the fact that society prefers to throw away the key and ignore, you might find the answer to reform. It is no wonder that increased draconian measures find welcome arms, when people are to lazy to seek genuine solutions. #1: Tinfoil hat anyone? #2: reinstate the death penalty, make more crimes capital crimes and take out the appeals system (AKA, put in an express lane) #3: It's because of carebears that want a Hello Kitty system of "reforming" the criminals and putting more restraints on law enforcement... if the police could actually fight, crime rates would go down. Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking ~Liz Kali
Locus Bey Gallente Qalandar	Posted - 2007.07.28 10:30:00 - [72] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Originally by: Locus Bey 1. The police force in all countries is corrupt. In most countries all the way to the top they are tied in with the hard core criminal element of society. (Why do you think ****** has never been eradicated?) Giving the police force extra powers is farcical and draconian. 2. The prison system is overcrowded and disfunctional because society has little care or desire for reform. In countries like the US new prisons open at a staggering rate, and are considered a great source of revenue for struggling towns I urge you to see "Ghosts of the Civil Dead" if you want to know what the prison system is like. 23 hours in lockdown does nothing to rehabilitate an individual. Society wonders why we become more and more disfunctional, and yet ignores the travesty of the prison system. Do you really think a private institution has a vested interest in the wellbeing and reform of an individual, when the bottom dollar is number 1. Surely we are intelligent enough to realise that turning a blind eye to the prison system doesn't work by now. It is a sad indictment on our society that we are to lazy to care about real prisoner reform. 3. It truely amazes me what a bunch of neanderthal kneejerk reactionists you people are. It is obvious the irony of the violence with which you speak, and desire to be implemented is lost on you. Perhaps if you looked at the root of the disfunction and the fact that society prefers to throw away the key and ignore, you might find the answer to reform. It is no wonder that increased draconian measures find welcome arms, when people are to lazy to seek genuine solutions. #1: Tinfoil hat anyone? #2: reinstate the death penalty, make more crimes capital crimes and take out the appeals system (AKA, put in an express lane) #3: It's because of carebears that want a Hello Kitty system of "reforming" the criminals and putting more restraints on law enforcement... if the police could actually fight, crime rates would go down. Your kidding about your answer to no. 1 aren't you? If not I've got a used car I want to sell you. Seriously unless you are vaguely informed I'd advise you not to post, you look like an idiot. As to your response to no. 2 and 3 just read answer to no.1 and add this: You know what's good for feeding mushrooms right? Change your diet.
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.07.28 18:08:00 - [73] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Originally by: Locus Bey 1. The police force in all countries is corrupt. In most countries all the way to the top they are tied in with the hard core criminal element of society. (Why do you think ****** has never been eradicated?) Giving the police force extra powers is farcical and draconian. 2. The prison system is overcrowded and disfunctional because society has little care or desire for reform. In countries like the US new prisons open at a staggering rate, and are considered a great source of revenue for struggling towns I urge you to see "Ghosts of the Civil Dead" if you want to know what the prison system is like. 23 hours in lockdown does nothing to rehabilitate an individual. Society wonders why we become more and more disfunctional, and yet ignores the travesty of the prison system. Do you really think a private institution has a vested interest in the wellbeing and reform of an individual, when the bottom dollar is number 1. Surely we are intelligent enough to realise that turning a blind eye to the prison system doesn't work by now. It is a sad indictment on our society that we are to lazy to care about real prisoner reform. 3. It truely amazes me what a bunch of neanderthal kneejerk reactionists you people are. It is obvious the irony of the violence with which you speak, and desire to be implemented is lost on you. Perhaps if you looked at the root of the disfunction and the fact that society prefers to throw away the key and ignore, you might find the answer to reform. It is no wonder that increased draconian measures find welcome arms, when people are to lazy to seek genuine solutions. #1: Tinfoil hat anyone? #2: reinstate the death penalty, make more crimes capital crimes and take out the appeals system (AKA, put in an express lane) #3: It's because of carebears that want a Hello Kitty system of "reforming" the criminals and putting more restraints on law enforcement... if the police could actually fight, crime rates would go down. The appeals system and death penalty are taken very serious for a reason; A MISTAKE MEANS THE STATE MURDERED SOMEONE. Even the slightest chance of this is unacceptable. From your post I can say two things: You're a teenager who has no concept of death and still consider it to be "cool" and that you've never been face to face with a police officer whose working solely for the pleasure of pushing others around.
Archilies The Wild Hunt FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.31 17:29:00 - [74] This posts reminds me of being back in uni in a lecture. There Was A Time When The World Asked Ordinary Men To Do Extraordinary Things
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.07.31 17:35:00 - [75] Originally by: Archilies This posts reminds me of being back in uni in a lecture. You're lucky, our University profs state very clearly that there is to be no debate in lecture; either listen or get out.
Micheal Dietrich Cynical Cartel	Posted - 2007.07.31 17:53:00 - [76] Originally by: Amarria Black Originally by: Atama Cardel Originally by: Captain Hudson No one respects the police anymore as they cant do anything with those little trunchen things they have, give the police guns and more freedom from the killer paperwork they have. 10 years time and london will be as bad as new york was in parts! Wait, the police in London don't have guns? IIRC, your average cop walking a beat in London is not armed. That may have changed post-7/7. Special Operations officers, however, are armed to the freaking teeth with some of the nastiest hardware money can buy. ^_^ Oh, and as to the side discussion about police officers: we don't respect you because too many of your brethren have proven they have no respect for the rule of law. They're more than willing to bend or break laws in order to enforce. The DEA, BATFU, narcotics, vice, they've ruined it for you. Couple it with the officers who are just on the force so they have a shield for their bullying, and there you have it. US officers are armed to the teeth. You get your standard issue 9mm or .45. Officers are also issued a vest but are not required to wear it. Officers are also given mace. After special training officers can also carry the stun gun. Now your standard patrol car also carries a 12 gauge shotgun that can be fitted with regular shot or bean bags. Some patrol cars also carry a AR-15 with armor piercing rounds (this was brought about after the bank robbery in california in '95 I believe where the robbers where in full metal and firing automatic ak-47's with AP rounds and were just demolishing the cops in the area) Swat team members are generally issued MP-5's along with standard sidearms but they may also carry a tactical shotgun or a shorten down AR-15. They also get outfitted with flashbangs and smoke. They also receive training in explosives. The newest in toys that I just got to witness the other day is pepper spray paintballs. Now those were just sweet. ___________________________ Never Forget, Never Forgive
Fink Angel Caldari The Merry Men	Posted - 2007.07.31 18:02:00 - [77] Don't worry though, we've got our priorities right in the UK, this guy will probablly get life: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/oxfordshire/6924592.stm
Yarrick Amarr Corp 1 Allstars	Posted - 2007.07.31 21:57:00 - [78] http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6923987.stm This country is going to the dogs. _____________________________________________
Spigoe Liberty Rogues Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.31 22:36:00 - [79] Originally by: Derovius Vaden This is why all emergency personel should be issued standard self defense gear; I'd like to see the little punk who can take 100,000 volts across the neck and still play tough, hell, remain standing. No living creature on this planet can survive 100,000 volts, it'll kill any human instantly. Heck, even 100 volts can kill a human. Yes, I'm educated on this matter, the computer program got the same basic classes as the electrician program.
Captain Hudson Caldari Intergalactic Space Defense Force THE R0CK	Posted - 2007.07.31 22:53:00 - [80] Originally by: Yarrick http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6923987.stm This country is going to the dogs. Those accused include two brothers aged 12 and 13, one boy aged 13 and two 14-year-olds. Mr Fisher said "their youth is no defence". To **in straight, they can swing from the gallows. I might run for PM in a few years time and bring back capital punishment Originally by:** SPQRMocton We would love to have a bunch of teenage pimple boys with no real pvp ability to fil our corpse yards
Atama Cardel	Posted - 2007.07.31 23:14:00 - [81] Originally by: Spigoe Originally by: Derovius Vaden This is why all emergency personel should be issued standard self defense gear; I'd like to see the little punk who can take 100,000 volts across the neck and still play tough, hell, remain standing. No living creature on this planet can survive 100,000 volts, it'll kill any human instantly. Heck, even 100 volts can kill a human. Yes, I'm educated on this matter, the computer program got the same basic classes as the electrician program. It also depends on the amount of amps. Of course you would need a very small amount of amps with 100k volts for anything to survive .
Lucian Alucard Caldari Black Vice Industries	Posted - 2007.08.01 09:20:00 - [82] If you arm the public,sure they can get their hands on guns too but its been proven more then once that vagrants tend to run even if they themselves are armed and are met with armed resistance,now thats not to say there aren't nut jobs like previously mentioned who will stick around and shoot it out with you but personally I would rather have a gun by my side if I was being assailed then not having one,sure I may die with one but its almost a sure thing without one. I am white and when I was young and i mean real young I lived close to Compton ((hell it was two blocks over)), people like this only respond to force,put them in jail and they will simply network and make it harder to be caught the next time, prisons simply are the Underworlds form of boot camp and thats it plain and fricken simple, its not pretty or "humane" but its a cold hard fact of reality that you will eventually end up with people who think in the terms of "Kill or be killed" and without a strong a vocal opposition to them they can and WILL run amuck.
Lord MuffloN Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.08.01 09:36:00 - [83] This makes me sad, I hope those kids get some serious thinking done :\
Locus Bey Gallente Qalandar	Posted - 2007.08.01 10:21:00 - [84] Yes increase violence to fight violence, that seems a logical answer Luckily they don't let neanderthals like many of you set policy all that often. You'll just have to wait for the next fascist dictator to make use of your desire to throw away any moral duty or critical thought.
Fink Angel Caldari The Merry Men	Posted - 2007.08.01 10:43:00 - [85] I'm with Judge Death on the matter. All crime is committed by the living, so living itself should be made a capital crime.
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.01 11:02:00 - [86] death penalty? no life-long solitary confinement or corporal punishment? yes even being a guy that doesn't enjoy violence that much, I have to say that some corporal punishments that are carried in by some states in the world (stoning for an extreme example), are even sometimes too soft for some crimes that I see. ....now if only my country (portugal) wasn't so soft in the penal institutions. here you can be a serial killer with a bodycount of 20 and still get at most 25 years in the jail, leaving after 5 years for good behavior. yes, max penalty in portugal is 25 years incarceration. --- truth about EVE: Quote: "Guns are fine, boost players" Quote: "Players are fine, boost guns"
Malcanis High4Life Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.01 15:46:00 - [87] Originally by: SubTig I have a great deal of respect for fire crews and paramedics asI have worked very closely with both on many jobs. But as a police officer you would not believe the amount of grief we get. We get attacked, followed home from work, spat at, abused, assaulted. You get idiots not getting out of the way when you are blue lighting it to a job, you get people who will run or drive in front of you on purpose. You get complaints designed just to get you into trouble or sacked. You've got a command structure that won't support you and a government making each day at your job easier for the criminals to get away with stuff. Oh and crap money, but still we go into work each day expecting the above and worse since death sits on our shoulders or hides behind the mountain of paper work we have to get through. Still it's great, Saturday late shift tomorrow, loads of fun:))) SubTig Originally by: Ja'kar Edited by: Ja''kar on 26/07/2007 22:40:25 As a firefighter, have you come across the gas can in the car trap yet? Its a real nasty thing to do, because the gas canister looks like someone in the car, the firefighter have to go in and check. Is there a lot of crime directed at the fire services while working? What else do they do? I ask as a student of criminology Sorry, I think that is really bad, but no to ur suggestion... Tho I think bacons should be hurt a lot I always make a point of being polite to public service workers. I know for a fact that I couldn't hack being a policeman, and you have my respect and admiration for doing an insanely hard job. But wow, it seems that the guys who give you orders have some... odd priorities. And unfortunately, there is that low percentage of bad apples that give the rest a bad name. It only takes one arrogant, power-tripping bigoted git of a copper to give 99 others a bad name as well. And I've encountered one or two of those as well. They are your worst enemies. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.08.01 16:34:00 - [88] Originally by: Atama Cardel Originally by: Spigoe Originally by: Derovius Vaden This is why all emergency personel should be issued standard self defense gear; I'd like to see the little punk who can take 100,000 volts across the neck and still play tough, hell, remain standing. No living creature on this planet can survive 100,000 volts, it'll kill any human instantly. Heck, even 100 volts can kill a human. Yes, I'm educated on this matter, the computer program got the same basic classes as the electrician program. It also depends on the amount of amps. Of course you would need a very small amount of amps with 100k volts for anything to survive . This is exactly how a tazor works, they up the voltage to increase the stunning effect of it, but to do so they need to completely bury the amps. And seeing as the source of power for these devices is usually one or two 9V batteries, simple v = iR explains the relationship. Where you are the resistance . To quote wikipedia: "Usually, the higher the voltage, the more effective it is. It may take several seconds to subdue a subject with 100 kV, but only about a second with 1 MV (1,000 kV)."
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.08.01 16:48:00 - [89] Edited by: DarkMatter on 01/08/2007 16:49:02 Prison was never meant to reform. It's that way now because of all the clueless liberals who have gotten involved with trying to help scum. You don't help scum, you eradicate it... More & more countries are turning away from executions, big mistake IMO... Humans are too weak these days... My Infinity Ship Designs:T-Y9, Medium Hauler
Drevin Kald	Posted - 2007.08.01 18:07:00 - [90] Originally by: Locus Bey Yes increase violence to fight violence, that seems a logical answer Luckily they don't let neanderthals like many of you set policy all that often. You'll just have to wait for the next fascist dictator to make use of your desire to throw away any moral duty or critical thought. You are blasting them for lack of critical thought when all you do is quote left wing fanatical cult like freak organizations with your "anyone can be reformed" and "All police are corrupt" ignorance?

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