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Lem2J
Black Sea Industries Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.07.29 14:03:00 -
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Originally by: KOTH Fluf
Originally by: tartrus last night was just another load of bull crap.... MM RZR dont sit there and pretend use had lag thats just bs guys u might of had a little. but when everyone our side is like i only see 402 in local and 3 other guys r like im getting shot... then one guys like umm there 500 and something in local it there gang and its sitting next to us. so frac use trying to make it look like use lagged as well and broke through our huge fraccin gate camp.
its almost like ccp want the defenders to loose and the attackers get all the benefits from the lag. CCP make the guys alrdy in system hav first prefs to server load this is bs im sick of these guys "winning" cus we desync and they dont. yes this is a whine but i got 0 repsect for MM rzr now so i dont want em letting peeps think there winning or there better. right now we hav not had a fair fight with MM rzr so both side hav no idea who accully win cus CCP chooses who win and its usally them jumping in. i would say they hav balls for jumping in but they know there gonna lag us out even more so im not gonna say it.
oh well guess im gonna get hammerd now. bring it on
I guess there are a couple of things you didnt learn from UEJ. First dont sit on a gate waiting for the attackers to come in as Cpt Pugwash said. Warp to the gate after or as they are jumping. Everyone in the system suffered from massive lag as multiple fleets jumped in from both the MU gate and the 2-3 gate. Your own forces (Fallen Souls) jumped in from the MU gate and according to your hypothisis should have had the advantage. We warped only our carriers to that gate to defend and RK jumped in behind the Fallen Souls gang. It appears that everyone at that gate was lagged massively as the 60 man gang from 2-3 jumped into you. The MM/Rzr support fleet warped to the 2-3 gate to a cov ops at range from your fleet. I was one of the first on grid and managed to load overview almost 3 to 5 mins later and started calling primaries. More then half the fleet that jumped into the large bubble on the 2-3 gate never loaded for almost 15 mins or more and some logged. Apparently some of you loaded, because you managed to kill me and a few others.
Bottom line is this is going to be a mess for awhile. You learn to deal with the various situations as they happen and try to learn how to play around the lag and plan on it. We all wish the game would play better, and I havent seen this much lag in along time, and I have been in alot of big fleet fights. We just have to adapt while CCP tries to fix this mess.
Dont take this the wrong way, but this proves that you didnt lag as much as we did... My entire gang on the 2-3 gang.. could not see anything.. We had 1 or 2 ppl warp to our position and tell us we we're being rapped.. We didnt see a thing.. Then a few ppl reported random ppl appearing on the overviews.. so about 5 pilots started to fire.. Mod lag was in the +8mins.. i counted..
After the warp order was given another 5+ minutes it took to warp.. When warp msg came up.. It said we were in a bubble... So we had to spam warp again.. Finally some of us had gotten clear..
We then sat at the POS, with nothing loading for up to 30 mins in some cases... Just a blank grid..
I know the attackers had lag... but it was not as bad as what we were experiencing.. props to our enemy for bringing it.. We've been having a blast between the major fights.. The rest is just pathetic though..
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zykerx
Pegasus Mining and Securities R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.07.29 14:36:00 -
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Quote >>I know the attackers had lag... but it was not as bad as what we were experiencing.. props to our enemy for bringing it.. We've been having a blast between the major fights.. The rest is just pathetic though.. <<
dude how you know if you sufered more then the attackers? thats yust bull
i jumpedin from 2-3, took me like 30 min, reloaded, took me 15 min to login (was alrdy looking on alt if i would apear in the cloning station) then another 20 min to load grid, finally saw 1 targed and then i emergency warped out
warped back to gate, saw only the gate and me, when i finally loaded the battle kinda ended alrdy
at the end my ceptor died at pos as couldnt move
but yeah this is poswar, lagghell, ccp thought posses would be cool but they are not they should first have made a server that can hold it before introducing somethingh that needs big numbers .
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Baddias Mongo
Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.29 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: Fabienne Sovicou Why aren't Razor posting their losses?
We try to keep an accurate killboard but there will always be a few in a large alliance that dont post losses. Other alliances killboards are checked reguarly by senior rzr (myself included) and if any losses from us are not on our boards then they are cross-posted and the person who didnt post told off for not posting it.
Doing a quick Comparison between M.Pire boards and ours I notice there are at least 15 M.Pire losses to us for the past 3 days alone not posted on your own boards.
Why aren't M.Pire posting their losses?
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Undeadas2
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.07.29 15:34:00 -
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Regarding uber Lag (15-45 mins.) - it looks like it was created by bubles.
When we destroyed buble on the first gate - the lag simply vanished (well it was like 30 seconds - a very good one). We warped to another gate - the lag went up (3-5 min) (local numbers have droped to ~430) - we killed bubbles and again - lag droped very much (to 1-2 mins.). Latter we still got several fleet fights (with 320-350 in local), some even bigger and more ships on overview than on the "second gate" - but lag was acceptable (1-2 mins.). This week as far as I remember - there was same experience report (by Triumvirate?) - that after killing bubbles lag went down very much.
So it looks like bubles has direct conection to lag - to exponentialy increase lag depending on the numbers in local.
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Wrayeth
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.07.29 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: tartrus right now we hav not had a fair fight with MM rzr
I'm guessing you weren't on a few days ago in whatever that system is next to CZD when MM/Snigg had a gang of frigs/HACs/recons/command ships equivalent in size to your gang of BS and carriers and you guys ran and hid inside a POS shield. We even warped to the POS to see if you would fight us, but you (Sparta) wouldn't.
Fair fight? You had a chance to fight us where the odds favored YOUR side, but instead you wouldn't engage. -Wrayeth n00b Extraordinaire
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SMercer
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.07.29 16:43:00 -
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I was at that pos in a blackbird. All i saw was over 50 spartans cowering in a POS with an entire BS/Carrier gang. We had 0 BS and maybe 4 command ships. Everything else was cruiser and frig size so dont say you didnt have a fair fight. Our gang topped 35-40 at most.
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Wrayeth
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.07.29 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: SMercer Our gang topped 35-40 at most.
Actually, combined with SNIGG we had 30-ish. The enemies also had 30-ish (at its height, local had 64 pilots). -Wrayeth n00b Extraordinaire
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Fozzy TBE
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Posted - 2007.07.29 16:53:00 -
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Killmail was posted this morn!... i was well Peed off about the god damn lag last night..i logged off and hoped that it would improve the lagg issue ..but to no avail!.and to make things worse i logged back on to see a buch of hostiles waiting!... not a welcome sight!...LMAO!!!
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Wrayeth
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.07.29 16:53:00 -
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Edited by: Wrayeth on 29/07/2007 16:53:30
Originally by: Fozzy TBE Killmail was posted this morn!... i was well Peed off about the god damn lag last night..i logged off and hoped that it would improve the lagg issue ..but to no avail!.and to make things worse i logged back on to see a buch of hostiles waiting!... not a welcome sight!...LMAO!!!
Lag is ALWAYS worse on Sunday. -Wrayeth n00b Extraordinaire
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Amuko
Amarr A.W.M Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.07.29 18:34:00 -
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Edited by: Amuko on 29/07/2007 18:34:13 First time I got desynched, cost me my pod. Oh well, probably wouldn't have made it anyway. Thanks for the insurance money guys.
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Tearavygh Quillam
Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.29 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: Jasmina Melt Edited by: Jasmina Melt on 29/07/2007 13:59:36
Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam
Actually, where are the stats vs RZR alliance. It doesn't look good when it drops under 40%, does it? You're disgraceful!
The KB-Admin just put together all attacking alliances into one campaign, you can still see the stats against single alliances (including razor) when clicking on the campaign and scroll down a bit.
However, what's with all the hate? I enjoy the fighting except for the lagwars that they were in the beginning since I play this game for fun, not to smack all my enemies to death, but maybe that's just me.
Ç: And oh hi Ara
No hate involved dude, it's a game and I realy find no place here for egos like Peperami has.
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Peoke
Caldari Unknown Shoe Corp. SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.29 18:50:00 -
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the lag is the same. i jumped caps into jv1v with red and goon. and in tenal we jumped in right after the fallen souls fleet. out of 70+ i think 7 said they loaded. The key thing people dont understand is what to do with the hand full of loaded. as mm and co proved today competent fleet commanders and members makes use of what you have in a 500+ situation. coming to the forums and whining doesnt sound like people used what they had. based on kills cow and co had people not lagged.
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Captain Irregardless
Gallente Octavian Vanguard
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Posted - 2007.07.29 18:57:00 -
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Originally by: Reverend William Not that I'm happy about the situation (I logged out after desyncing a couple of times and getting frustrated that I couldn't even load anything on grids), but what do you all expect? We called in hundreds of allies, RZR/MM/etc bring hundreds of people. Did anyone seriously think it would be lag free?
The problem is us, blobbing one another with every single pilot we have online. Is there an easy solution? Not really, but that's the plain and simple truth. No other game on the market even comes close to these size battles, why should eve be any different? Because people are stupid enough to sit around and amass thousands of players in alliances and then use them all at once?
*shrug* just sayin'
Good post man. No one is all to happy with the way things are going, but that's the nature of the beast right now. Sure you can ***** and moan, but that doesn't much help. The nature of the game has it being borderline intolerable to play for me (POS fighting is always like this), but right now I'm hanging in there.
Originally by: Fabienne Sovicou Why aren't Razor posting their losses?
Razor is pretty strict about this, with a couple of junkies crossposting as well as the syndication. But if there's missing mails, just send a link to the corp bosses.
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Lem2J
Black Sea Industries Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.07.29 19:02:00 -
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moaning helps take the tension away sometime.. hehe..
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Zanarkand
Gallente Enterprise Estonia Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.07.29 20:01:00 -
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Edited by: Zanarkand on 29/07/2007 20:01:58
Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam
Originally by: Jasmina Melt Edited by: Jasmina Melt on 29/07/2007 13:59:36
Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam
Actually, where are the stats vs RZR alliance. It doesn't look good when it drops under 40%, does it? You're disgraceful!
The KB-Admin just put together all attacking alliances into one campaign, you can still see the stats against single alliances (including razor) when clicking on the campaign and scroll down a bit.
However, what's with all the hate? I enjoy the fighting except for the lagwars that they were in the beginning since I play this game for fun, not to smack all my enemies to death, but maybe that's just me.
Ç: And oh hi Ara
No hate involved dude, it's a game and I realy find no place here for egos like Peperami has.
Good thing Razor & co never smacks! Nice and respectful replies in this thread from both sides!
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Torquemanda Corteaz
Gallente Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2007.07.29 20:16:00 -
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there's a black hole where v7-mid used to be
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zykerx
Pegasus Mining and Securities R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.07.29 20:21:00 -
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Edited by: zykerx on 29/07/2007 20:21:32 jumped into v7 40 min ago
atm looking at a black screen with entering game
but loading to station or v7
thought geminate was a laggy region but jeez this beats all .
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Graalum
Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.07.29 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: Undeadas2 Regarding uber Lag (15-45 mins.) - it looks like it was created by bubles.
When we destroyed buble on the first gate - the lag simply vanished (well it was like 30 seconds - a very good one). We warped to another gate - the lag went up (3-5 min) (local numbers have droped to ~430) - we killed bubbles and again - lag droped very much (to 1-2 mins.). Latter we still got several fleet fights (with 320-350 in local), some even bigger and more ships on overview than on the "second gate" - but lag was acceptable (1-2 mins.). This week as far as I remember - there was same experience report (by Triumvirate?) - that after killing bubbles lag went down very much.
So it looks like bubles has direct conection to lag - to exponentialy increase lag depending on the numbers in local.
This makes sense, how many calculations have to go into determining whether someone is in a bubble at any given time? I bet that is multiplied by the number of bubbles as well.
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Inyis
Marquie-X Corp Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.07.29 20:24:00 -
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Im dead. Looking since 20 minutes at my ship still floating in space. Nothing working, never did anything. Saw 1 enemy and 5 allies the whole time. Yay. Local count for me 380. What a joke. .
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Torquemanda Corteaz
Gallente Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2007.07.29 20:27:00 -
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just got in after 20 minutes making 2 jumps to get here... still not loaded yet though....
392 in local
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gordon cain
Minmatar M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.07.29 20:27:00 -
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Edited by: gordon cain on 29/07/2007 20:27:31 Well think I am dead to. Just want to say thx to CCP for bringing all the nice new POS stuff etc into this game.
Much more important than being able to fire your guns.
"Allways remember. Never argue with idiots, they will just drag you down to their level, and beat you with experience" |
Hitman396
Caldari UK Corp FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.29 20:29:00 -
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Moar lag
Pretty damn sure this time around i'm dead though
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Jags
Minmatar M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.07.29 20:29:00 -
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Local peaked at 419 on my client. Taken me 25 mins to move
CCP YOUR GAME IS A ****IN JOKE ATM SORT IT OUT.
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Graalum
Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.07.29 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: gordon cain Edited by: gordon cain on 29/07/2007 20:27:31 Well think I am dead to. Just want to say thx to CCP for bringing all the nice new POS stuff etc into this game.
Much more important than being able to fire your guns.
I thought the new pos stuff was supposed to make large gangs irrelevant. 10 man gangs blowing up the guns on pos and crap, lol, when they have hundreds of thousands of hitpoints.
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gordon cain
Minmatar M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.07.29 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: Graalum
Originally by: gordon cain Edited by: gordon cain on 29/07/2007 20:27:31 Well think I am dead to. Just want to say thx to CCP for bringing all the nice new POS stuff etc into this game.
Much more important than being able to fire your guns.
I thought the new pos stuff was supposed to make large gangs irrelevant. 10 man gangs blowing up the guns on pos and crap, lol, when they have hundreds of thousands of hitpoints.
I would say they pretty much failed big time then wouldnt you.
gordon
"Allways remember. Never argue with idiots, they will just drag you down to their level, and beat you with experience" |
LordHelmchen
Art of War Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.07.29 20:41:00 -
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oi oi oi battlereport
atm is fleetfight in V7- they jumping in :-) we warped to gate ... first guys called targets ... i didnt saw them went to kitchen made food ... came back still no targets me is eating ... after 15 mintues grid loaded got dmg but dont know from which enemy ... must be the other hostile part of the gang i didnt loaded so far ... im drinking beer now ... im listening the target calling me is searching the targets dont have them in overview ... me is thinking hey what im doing here and warp off ... guns never activated btw
THIS IS SO MUCH FUN IM REALY EXCITED
me has enough FIX THIS GAME CCP
battlereport over killed nothing
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NeverL
Enterprise Estonia Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.07.29 20:44:00 -
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i got a killmail =) ----------------- My dream is to become the best forum warrior there is. Even better then Molle Sir. |
Hasan Rachid
Minmatar Madhatters Inc. M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.07.29 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: NeverL i got a killmail =)
Same here, shame it was my own
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EvilPhog
Amarr Art of War Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.07.29 21:04:00 -
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I warped in, could only see my FC and 1 hostile. Locked the hostile and activated guns then watched big brother for the rest of it. :D
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Lem2J
Black Sea Industries Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.07.29 21:06:00 -
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I warp to the gate, nothing loads.. wait a long time.. finally.. i see a % of the enemy.. lock a few.. the count down timer comes up.. Cant see any locks.. FInally after ages get a lock.. guns wont fire.. target it dead.. I start taking shield dmg... bearing in mind the closest hostile is 150+ km away.. i start spamming warp.. my amror and shields slowly go.. hull gone.. dont even try and warp..
Another fun night.
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