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Divus
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.07.29 17:14:00 -
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Edited by: Divus on 29/07/2007 17:15:17 as i said in your first post this is playing into one sides hands but dude, great work, lots of truth inside -------------------------------------------------
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Levka
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.29 17:16:00 -
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Edited by: Levka on 29/07/2007 17:17:29 Edited by: Levka on 29/07/2007 17:17:04
Originally by: Begall I whole page of BoB/BoB pets calling him biased, who would have thought it! (He is, but honestly, dismissing it out of hand because of it is silly.)
See thats the thing about politics. He is talking about something that effects variety of people on both fronts. You will have posts that totaly agree with every single statement since it fits the role they have in the "trilogy" some will disagree with it till the end.
If you look up in the dictionary what HYPOTHESIS is you'll see thats exactly what we have in here. There is no right or wrong, its a well thought idea by one person and its up to individual to agree or disagree. ------------------------------------------------ If you can't dazzle them with brilliance baffle them with BullSh$t. |
oniplE
NED-Clan R i s e
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Posted - 2007.07.29 17:18:00 -
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Can i get a summary? I wasted enough time on reading the first part of the propaganda trilogy..
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Dominixa
Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.07.29 17:18:00 -
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If you can't dazzle them with brilliance baffle them with BullSh$t, I guess. This thread does not deliver. You offer nothing solid only speculative generalizations. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Kreul Intentions ([email protected]) |
Lizhia
Gallente Macabre Votum INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.07.29 17:21:00 -
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Good, fun read. A suprising amount of people getting riled up by what they claim is makebelive bull**** makes this thread deliver.
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deadtear
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.07.29 17:21:00 -
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Hey guys lets all swarm the topic and call it bull****, that way nobody will read the thread and we can sit and circlejerk about how good it is to be in bob or suck bob***** all day.
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Begall
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.07.29 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Levka Edited by: Levka on 29/07/2007 17:17:29 Edited by: Levka on 29/07/2007 17:17:04
Originally by: Begall I whole page of BoB/BoB pets calling him biased, who would have thought it! (He is, but honestly, dismissing it out of hand because of it is silly.)
See thats the thing about politics. He is talking about something that effects variety of people on both fronts. You will have posts that totaly agree with every single statement since it fits the role they have in the "trilogy" some will disagree with it till the end.
If you look up in the dictionary what HYPOTHESIS is you'll see thats exactly what we have in here. There is no right or wrong, its a well thought idea by one person and its up to individual to agree or disagree.
Agreed, people will choose to believe or disbelieve what they like depending on their experiences or side in the conflict.
Posting "BIASED HA ROLLYEYESHERE" is pretty useless, especially given said poster has probably not even bothered to read the post.
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wdwm Katarr
Amarr 11th Hussars
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Posted - 2007.07.29 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: Ki An 260+?
LV relied on K/D, look how far that got them.
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Dungar Loghoth
Caldari Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.07.29 17:26:00 -
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That was pretty terrible.
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fightnkill
Dark Blade Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.07.29 17:32:00 -
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Can't wait to see BoB's/pet's faces when their Renters gets kicked out by RSF
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Kraynor
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.29 17:32:00 -
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only thing I have to say is LOL, dud stfu no one cares about your bias opinion.
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Onwyn Orbatsuu
International Multi-Player Consortium Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.29 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: Kraynor only thing I have to say is LOL, dud stfu no one cares about your bias opinion.
I care, you seem to care for posting here, chances are others will to. get over yourself.
having trouble doing so?
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to the OP a great read, from what I've seen/heard either in game or on the forums, it does seem fairly accurate.
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Alice Cholmondeley
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Posted - 2007.07.29 17:38:00 -
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You should have stopped posting after part II, now you just appear to be some obsessed guy freaking out over internets spaceships. |
Tetsujin
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.07.29 17:39:00 -
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Edited by: Tetsujin on 29/07/2007 17:40:37 I'm digging part three good buddy. (o'.')b
"And so the Goons fight for freedom of all, the BoB pets fight for their own slavery." is a good sentence.
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Stoffer Ninjapirate
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.07.29 17:41:00 -
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Pretty good read. Agree with the message or not, it's still well thought through, and your "articles" are the only good read on this board.
P.s don't pay attention to the people attacking your writing just because they are on the losing side of the article.
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Indomitus Rex
Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.07.29 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley You should have stopped posting after part II, now you just appear to be some obsessed guy freaking out over internets spaceships.
Of course no one would ever accuse YOU of freaking out over internet spaceships now would they?
Sig removed. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] with a link to your signature. - Elmo Pug |
Deschenus Maximus
Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2007.07.29 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: oniplE Can i get a summary? I wasted enough time on reading the first part of the propaganda trilogy..
Summary of the three threads (my comments in brackets):
-BoB only ever fought in wars it could not possibly lose (except now it does, the reason being, according to James, "Oops"). -The aura of invincibility of BoB was shattered at 9-9, and thus BoB's enemies are no longer fearful of it (So when were RAGoon ever fearful of BoB?). -BoB recruited too many "win at all costs" players, who will not stick around if the going gets tough (because obviously, James 315 knows each and every new BoB pilot and their motivations for joining). -The BoB leadership is lying to the memberbase (I'd really like to know what James' source on this is... or could it possibly be just more conjecture, like everything else he said?). -Time is on RSF's side, as more and more Goons get in caps while the BoB supercap advantage has been nerfed to oblivion (perhaps the sole valid point in all the crap, but then again, having a cap ship and knowing how to use it is two different things... 9-9 cap battle, anyone? Plus, while I agree that the fact that goons now fly T2 is not a sign of weakness, it hasn't improved their tactical success in any reasonable measure, so again, having something and knowing how to actually use it are two different things). -BoB and pets are evil, Goons and co are the Saviours of the Galaxy (there are no good or bad guys in this war; anyone who believes differently is, imho, an idiot). -At the first opportunity, the "pets" will turn on their masters (looking past the childish namecalling on James' part, this would have had happened a long time ago, if it ever was going to happen. In all honesty, Intrepid Crossing DID turn on BoB... but no one else did... isn't that something?).
There you go: 10+ pages of bullsh*t summarised into one.
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Orangir
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.07.29 17:42:00 -
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You really give Goons too much credit. RA and TCF have carried the load in this war just as much as we have, if not more.
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Straith
GALAXIAN RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.29 17:43:00 -
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I think James problem here is that his original thesis was to be on "Why BoB is losing" rather than "Why BoB is going to lose".
It's of course fair to look to the future in it, but in order to remain objective and unbias - or at least appear that way, conclusions should not be drawn.
It's entirely accurate, and I think BoB would agree, to say that BoB aren't winning this war in the manner they may have hoped. But I don't know if it's really possible to say that they are in the process of losing it. That would imply that they will lose, and that is far from clear at this moment. Quite possible, and easy to write the rest of the "book" so to speak and have BoB lose, and have it look convincing. However, I dare say it's possible to write it and have BoB win, and still look convincing... let's see.
The GBC provide the support MC need not just to interdict IAC & co in Querious, but push ahead into IAC and AAA territory. As times get hard for IAC, their membership dwindles, corps leave over time, players leave corps and IAC begins to crumble. Leadership questions are answered, satisfaction isn't given from that.
Goons/RA/TCF lose a few capital engagements, some of their dreadnought pilots are without dreads, others more reluctant to engage/stay on longer/log on. BoB gather momentum and push them back, and back and back.
Eventually the GBC take over AAA and IAC space, while BoB conquer all former LV and RA space.
Once freed up from this they head north, under the sheer weight of numbers the north falls again, this time completely. This leaves the new regions as the last standing anti-BoB faction, they do not stand for long, they become fractured and do not fully commit.
I am not for one second saying that is what is going to happen. But at this point, nobody knows. If we knew what would happen, then why bother? :P
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Maksiim
Doom and Gloom
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Posted - 2007.07.29 17:44:00 -
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Edited by: Maksiim on 29/07/2007 17:44:33 Maybe BoB could sell all there super-caps like RA.....
I hear on the grapevine RSF have plenty work to do defending re-enforced pos's anyways....
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Danno
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.07.29 17:46:00 -
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Originally by: James 315
Goonfleet is a unique entity in Eve. Most alliances follow the "endgame" formula that BoB does, or they aspire to it. The "endgame" alliance seeks to convince everyone that they are a winner, and then suck up all the rich, experienced PvP'ers of the galaxy and dominate the rest. An "endgame" alliance then uses its PvP superiority to create a vast pool of secure space that its many carebears and pets collect from, providing taxes. At last, when everyone with skillpoints and ISK is under their control, the game can come to an end, dying a peaceful death. This is what BoB wants. Control of all 0.0, the collection of all resources, a steady-state death of Eve.
Hi, could any BOB members (especially in light of molles telephone interview when he made the claim of "winning" total 0.0 control as the objective) dispute the above please.
I am interested in knowing why the above is incorrect, and also how achieving the above would impact on EVE gameplay quality.
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Alice Cholmondeley
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Posted - 2007.07.29 17:46:00 -
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Originally by: Indomitus Rex
Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley You should have stopped posting after part II, now you just appear to be some obsessed guy freaking out over internets spaceships.
Of course no one would ever accuse YOU of freaking out over internet spaceships now would they?
I only freak out over people hacking servers in real life over internet spaceships. Even more so when in-game alliances that support the hacking are still smacking. |
Ikma Freizen
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.07.29 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: Maksiim Edited by: Maksiim on 29/07/2007 17:44:33 Maybe BoB could sell all there super-caps like RA.....
I hear on the grapevine RSF have plenty work to do defending re-enforced pos's anyways....
And we defend them successfully...Thanks?
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Telefishopolis
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.07.29 17:51:00 -
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Edited by: Telefishopolis on 29/07/2007 17:51:04
Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley
I only freak out over people hacking servers in real life over internet spaceships. Even more so when in-game alliances that support the hacking are still smacking.
Wait, are you referring to Lallante hiring a certain individual to hack the goonfleet forums, setting off a rather unfortunate chain of events? Because I'm pretty sure he flies with BoB now, you may want to have a word with them about that, since they certainly are still smacking in here.
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Dungar Loghoth
Caldari Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.07.29 17:51:00 -
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Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley
Originally by: Indomitus Rex
Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley You should have stopped posting after part II, now you just appear to be some obsessed guy freaking out over internets spaceships.
Of course no one would ever accuse YOU of freaking out over internet spaceships now would they?
I only freak out over people hacking servers in real life over internet spaceships. Even more so when in-game alliances that support the hacking are still smacking.
Alice Cholmondeley post sighted
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baffy
Atlas Incorporated SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.29 17:52:00 -
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i rarely post on coad but your stories are worth a reply. nice read
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Alice Cholmondeley
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Posted - 2007.07.29 17:52:00 -
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Edited by: Alice Cholmondeley on 29/07/2007 17:52:14
Originally by: Dungar Loghoth
Alice Cholmondeley post sighted
It rhymes doesn't it. take the candle, exit to west around the naked elf. |
Kirex
Gallente Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.07.29 17:55:00 -
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Good read. :)
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Maksiim
Doom and Gloom
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Posted - 2007.07.29 17:56:00 -
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But who really cares, this crap is so far from reality it laughable.
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Stelteck
Minmatar Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.07.29 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: Deschenus Maximus
-BoB and pets are evil, Goons and co are the Saviours of the Galaxy (there are no good or bad guys in this war; anyone who believes differently is, imho, an idiot).
Really ? BOB was very close to be a so massive power that no one could hope to stand against it. It is still very dangerous and the defeat of the last coalition that stand against them may threaten the overall balance and interest of the eve universe and even send it to its end.
There is no such threat coalition side, as the coalition is composed of many medium sized power, who band together only to counter BOB.
An interesting eve universe is not an eve were a major power control all 0.0. It is an eve universe where many medium size power battle each over. It is an eve universe where you can built an alliance from scratch, like TCF one year ago and hope to gain a place in the cold immensity of 0.0 regions. It is not a place where you must ask BOB for doing anything in 0.0, or be crushed by overhelming forces.
That's why BOB is not a common alliance. That's why BOB is dangerous. That's why bob shall be fighted by all people who love eve in this galaxy.
Stelteck.
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