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Elohe GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:13:00 - [151] im da newby goon in the OP
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:15:00 - [152] Originally by: Zagum Darkfin ~~golf claps~~~ Nice puff piece of nothing. Now how about you get a few kills against us and then write about it. Talk is cheap, actions speak louder than words. See you in space or not. +1 with my fellow BoB compagnion. -=-=-
Zrevak Ashek Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:17:00 - [153] On the OP: The Coalition:'Good post man, insightful and lots of truth!' The Alliance:'What a piece of trash, wall of text, heap of noncense!' They say the truth is a 3 edged sword? No kidding
Ogodai John The Bakhunov Family	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:20:00 - [154] Originally by: Avernus posts in his second piece talking about his relationship with his girlfriend ffs, and he still doesn't manage to put across a straightforward thought after it. It's almost friggin painful. When I said this was a circle jerk, I wasn't kidding. Allies come in here 'Good post man, insightful and lots of truth!'... nuff said tbh. And enemies come in here and smack the OP. So? This guys threads are getting attention equal to those of your masters. That's what really ticks you off, isn't it? Eh, keep on fighting the good fight in this... err... horribly bad propaganda thread.
Laura Baretta Minmatar Excidium.	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:21:00 - [155] Boring! I rate it a 1/10. Mostly because it is lacking facts and is strongly biased. Also, the letters BOB can easily be replaced with pretty much any alliance in this game. Also, the OPs fundamental lack of knowledge about BoB.
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:22:00 - [156] Edited by: Deschenus Maximus on 29/07/2007 20:23:01 Originally by: Ogodai John You're a rare kind. For a Bobbit! Hahahahahahahaahaaaha! No, no, no... you're doing it all wrong... it's "pet" or "slave", generally preceded by "lol", "lawl" or "STFU". Allow me to exemplify: Ex 1: Me: Says something Someone from the other side: lawl pet Ex 2: Me: Says something else Someone from the other side: STFU SLAVE! EDIT: Although, I do believe someone called me a BoB alt once. Originally by: Ogodai John No offense taken, btw. Cool
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:25:00 - [157] Originally by: Ogodai John Originally by: Avernus posts in his second piece talking about his relationship with his girlfriend ffs, and he still doesn't manage to put across a straightforward thought after it. It's almost friggin painful. When I said this was a circle jerk, I wasn't kidding. Allies come in here 'Good post man, insightful and lots of truth!'... nuff said tbh. And enemies come in here and smack the OP. So? This guys threads are getting attention equal to those of your masters. That's what really ticks you off, isn't it? Eh, keep on fighting the good fight in this... err... horribly bad propaganda thread. Bud, it doesn't bother me that any thread gets attention. If I bemoan anything, it's threads that lack quality that get attention. I rarely post in BoB threads, because even if it is a good original post, the following spam and crap that gets thrown on there make it senseless to actually try to participate. I don't dislike James.. I just ran out of patience waiting for a good post, and ended up giving James the shaft when I got here. There are old soliders, and there are bold soliders. But there are very few old, bold soliders.
Lucky 8 Minmatar	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:26:00 - [158] A great read as usual James (much better than part2 and as good as part1). Thanks for the time this series took =) -- Originally by: Nicho Void This thread is like a chum slick for forum alt trolls.
Ogodai John The Bakhunov Family	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:33:00 - [159] Originally by: Avernus Bud, it doesn't bother me that any thread gets attention. If I bemoan anything, it's threads that lack quality that get attention. I rarely post in BoB threads, because even if it is a good original post, the following spam and crap that gets thrown on there make it senseless to actually try to participate. I don't dislike James.. I just ran out of patience waiting for a good post, and ended up giving James the shaft when I got here. Well, you won't get any decent forum war here if you go all reasonable on me. Back to the morale high ground with you, I say!
Kola XXX Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:35:00 - [160] Edited by: Kola XXX on 29/07/2007 20:38:21 Edited by: Kola XXX on 29/07/2007 20:38:00 again wow @ the op .. . you feel compelled to craft up how many hours of typing to get you're speculations across in an attempt to err shatter morale among bob pilots.... what a joke, yes . . .see you in nol and all that....how do you know goons and red aren't in f-t all over again and just don't know it ;)edit : in the time you spent typing that mess you could have mined alot of veld. oh yeah isk and ships don't win wars it's all morale....good luck with that

Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:36:00 - [161] Originally by: Ogodai John Originally by: Avernus Bud, it doesn't bother me that any thread gets attention. If I bemoan anything, it's threads that lack quality that get attention. I rarely post in BoB threads, because even if it is a good original post, the following spam and crap that gets thrown on there make it senseless to actually try to participate. I don't dislike James.. I just ran out of patience waiting for a good post, and ended up giving James the shaft when I got here. Well, you won't get any decent forum war here if you go all reasonable on me. Back to the morale high ground with you, I say! Cheers. Sorry, but I need a good subject to really get into it. There are old soliders, and there are bold soliders. But there are very few old, bold soliders.
Ogodai John The Bakhunov Family	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:41:00 - [162] Could somebody please fluff Avernus?
Kieranda Weyland-Yutani Future Technologies Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:44:00 - [163] Edited by: Kieranda on 29/07/2007 20:44:03 Originally by: cal nereus No offense to those who insult Goons (well, actually...), but ya, Goons embody freedom. Yes, it seems ugly, but that's freedom for you. But maybe you don't want freedom? I'm guessing you probably don't. Oh irony and hypocrisy, strike this thread with all your might! there can only be "freedom" if Bob and Goons eradicate themselves from Eve for good, both are trapped in a never ending circle jerk and it is highly unlikely that they will ever get out of it
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:44:00 - [164] Originally by: Ogodai John Could somebody please fluff Avernus? OMFG Best usage of Wikipedia in the history of the Eve-O forums, by a mile.
Alias11 GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:48:00 - [165] Originally by: Kieranda Edited by: Kieranda on 29/07/2007 20:44:03 Originally by: cal nereus No offense to those who insult Goons (well, actually...), but ya, Goons embody freedom. Yes, it seems ugly, but that's freedom for you. But maybe you don't want freedom? I'm guessing you probably don't. Oh irony and hypocrisy, strike this thread with all your might! there can only be "freedom" if Bob and Goons eradicate themselves from Eve for good, both are trapped in a never ending circle jerk and it is highly unlikely that they will ever get out of it You're in luck. Once we're not fighting for our survival we'll be completely overcome with drama inside of a month and by three months you'll be looking at goonfleet with 70 members and everyone else in splinter corps, none of which are larger than 20 men
TrevorReznik Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:48:00 - [166] The only thing saving BoB right now is cyno jammers slowing down the attacking forces :)
Assata Shakur	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:51:00 - [167] Edited by: Assata Shakur on 29/07/2007 20:51:27 .
Necro EvilZombie North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:52:00 - [168] FIX sound like a bunch of biatches in this thread. --------------------------------------------------------------
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:53:00 - [169] Originally by: TrevorReznik The only thing saving BoB right now is cyno jammers slowing down the attacking forces :) 16 million HP... Have fun
Martin VanBuren GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:57:00 - [170] Originally by: Alias11 Originally by: Kieranda Edited by: Kieranda on 29/07/2007 20:44:03 Originally by: cal nereus No offense to those who insult Goons (well, actually...), but ya, Goons embody freedom. Yes, it seems ugly, but that's freedom for you. But maybe you don't want freedom? I'm guessing you probably don't. Oh irony and hypocrisy, strike this thread with all your might! there can only be "freedom" if Bob and Goons eradicate themselves from Eve for good, both are trapped in a never ending circle jerk and it is highly unlikely that they will ever get out of it You're in luck. Once we're not fighting for our survival we'll be completely overcome with drama inside of a month and by three months you'll be looking at goonfleet with 70 members and everyone else in splinter corps, none of which are larger than 20 men Those who do not think Theta shall carry all before them shall be sorely mistaken.

Ki An Gallente KDM Corp Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:57:00 - [171] Originally by: Necro EvilZombie FIX sound like a bunch of biatches in this thread. Thanks, right back at ya, bud /Ki Remember kids: Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
Psilocin Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:59:00 - [172] Originally by: Alias11 Originally by: Kieranda Edited by: Kieranda on 29/07/2007 20:44:03 Originally by: cal nereus No offense to those who insult Goons (well, actually...), but ya, Goons embody freedom. Yes, it seems ugly, but that's freedom for you. But maybe you don't want freedom? I'm guessing you probably don't. Oh irony and hypocrisy, strike this thread with all your might! there can only be "freedom" if Bob and Goons eradicate themselves from Eve for good, both are trapped in a never ending circle jerk and it is highly unlikely that they will ever get out of it You're in luck. Once we're not fighting for our survival we'll be completely overcome with drama inside of a month and by three months you'll be looking at goonfleet with 70 members and everyone else in splinter corps, none of which are larger than 20 men GoonFleet vs. GoonWaffe, whoever wins - we lose! FOFOFOOOOO!
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.29 21:09:00 - [173] Originally by: Ogodai John Could somebody please fluff Avernus? I approve of this message. There are old soliders, and there are bold soliders. But there are very few old, bold soliders.
Mr Funkadelic Tenacious Danes Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.07.29 21:09:00 - [174] This post is actually very well written, same with the other 2. Very nice.
Joerd Toastius Octavian Vanguard	Posted - 2007.07.29 21:18:00 - [175] The tl;dr, low-fat, girlfriend-free, bias- (can't achieve -- with my current alliance tags) executive summary of these last three threads works out as something like this: Observation For a long time BoB have had, in the eyes of most of the playerbase, a public image that's probably summed up by "BoB don't lose fights". Regardless of the accuracy or otherwise of that statement, that's what most people who had an opinion at all about BoB believed - particularly those not directly involved in 0.0 politics. Immediately prior to the ASCN war, this was a background issue for most people, because BoB were not right out in the limelight and most people were happy to think about other things. You can judge this sort of thing fairly well by just counting the number of variations on "What happens when BoB win Eve" pop up on the forums every week. When BoB started demolishing ASCN, they pushed themselves back into the public eye, everyone remembered that hey, BoB don't lose fights, and the number of BoB-victory-related threads started to rapidly increase. People started to seriously worry what would happen when BoB "won", because nobody thought that they could lose. The eventual destruction of ASCN fuelled this, as did the subsequent collapse of the North (we're moving quickly here to save characters; homework is to write your own analysis of the effects of F-T on the general trend). With D2 and ASCN out of the picture and Goonfleet declaring that they were pulling back to wherever, people were wondering if anyone could stand up to BoB, or whether the whole of 0.0 would effectively be controlled from Delve - nobody seemed to be able to even slow them down noticably, the idea that "BoB don't lose fights" was stronger than ever and they seemed to be able to do no wrong. Then BoB ran into a brick wall in 9-9. The question of why this happened is one I'm not going to bother to try and answer, both for brevity's sake and because I know that I don't know. The fact remains though, as anyone watching the Influence map can see for themselves, that BoB have been unable to make any progress for some time now. There's a lot of information and misinformation floating around on this point, and any claim has an instant counter-claim, but the fact remains that the BoB warmachine has stalled. BoB fail to evict Goons. BoB fail to win a sovereignty battle. BoB lose fights. That's the significant event here. Go back over the forums for the last few weeks and count how many people have posted threads relating to "what will happen when BoB win". Regardless of the facts on the ground, the perception has changed. BoB are no longer seen, by most people, as an unstoppable force, because they've just been very visibly and publicly stopped. This doesn't mean that BoB are going to lose, or even that they're not winning on the ground, or anything like that at all. It has no direct effect on the material condition of the war itself. But that doesn't change the fact that the perception that BoB is unbeatable has taken a blow; how long people remember what's happening here is an open question, but right here and now BoB look vulnerable. And that's something that hasn't been true for a long, long time.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.29 21:21:00 - [176] I wish I had written this trilogy (under an assumed name, ofc). Remember, propoganda is sometimes more effective if you say what people want to believe to be true, rather than what is actually true. So, in that vein, I fully endore the accuracy of these reports, and I am sure that they will not lead to any underestimations or surprises about the BoB war effort. (Oh, and imho, part 3 is the weakest of them all, apart from the bit in part 2 about the op's girlfriend .. for a moment I thought it was going to be revealed that she is a kickboxing supermodel, giving away the op's BoB affiliation.) The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.29 21:26:00 - [177] Originally by: Joerd Toastius The tl;dr, low-fat, girlfriend-free, bias- (can't achieve -- with my current alliance tags) executive summary of these last three threads works out as something like this: My summary was shorter, tbh
TrevorReznik Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.07.29 21:26:00 - [178] Toast, the PA forums miss you :(
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.29 21:26:00 - [179] A nice fairytale GOONIES = OMNIPOTENCE INCARNATE
Joerd Toastius Octavian Vanguard	Posted - 2007.07.29 21:31:00 - [180] Analysis This bit makes no claim to be unbiased, although it attempts it. It should also, hopefully, be shorter. BoB have I think spent a not-inconsiderable amount of effort creating and reinforcing their image of invulnerability. It's been extremely well-crafted, they've been very careful to ensure that everything they do at least fails to undermine it and where possible reinforces it. It's served them very well and delivered them a lot of valuable victories. That's not to take away from the fact that they're extremely skilled and experienced players, but the fact that everyone treats BoB differently gives them a comfortable buffer zone in case of any miscalculations. They've also managed to grow in a very efficient manner as a result of this aura, being able to effectively cherrypick the best PvPers around, swelling their ranks without watering down their skillbase. However, to get a broad idea of what type of recruits they've been getting, you have to ask "why would someone want to join BoB?", not as a derisive question but as an honest and open one. Back in the beginning, from what I gather, joining BoB was something like joining Outbreak today - you're signing up with a small, highly-skilled force who are willing to take anyone on and can deliver challenging fights 24/7 - and as a result, the core of BoB does seem to be made up of people who relish a fight and genuinely just want to keep on picking on the strongest enemy around. However, look at BoB today - or rather, BoB six months ago. They're the de facto big dog of 0.0, they don't lose fights, they have loads of shiny toys to play with and they'll keep you in killmails. What they haven't offered for quite some time is the old BoB experience (what's now probably the Outbreak experience) - non-stop combat with real challenge. People don't expect BoB to lose fights, so most people join BoB expecting to win. This has worked very nicely for them as long as they keep that winning streak - they maintain their stranglehold on the majority of the top PvPers and keep on winning. However, if they start losing, all those people who joined BoB on the basis that "BoB don't lose fights" are going to wonder what the hell is going on. They're not getting what they signed up for, and, looking to a hypothetical future where BoB keeps losing, the more that they feel they're losing, the more will leave. If BoB are pushed back to Delve or wherever, the core BoB membership will be loving it - it's a return to old times, fighting the big man, on the back foot, with real challenge. However, the bulk of the membership will, I suspect up sticks and move elsewhere, possibly to a gentrified Outbreak, possibly to pastures new, who knows. I see no reason to doubt the claims of BoB leadership that they're happy to be beaten, but I don't buy the suggestion that that automatically extends to their entire membership. If RSF keeps pushing them back, I think they will start to bleed players. What effect that will have on them as an alliance I don't know, but if it happens, it'll be interesting to find out.



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