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CCP Fendahl	Posted - 2007.07.29 19:45:00 - [1] It seems that the static data has been ported from our internal server to sisi already. The static update was supposed to have been accompanied by a dev blog, but I guess our overworked QA department forgot to inform me in advance. I'll try and see if we can get it out tomorrow to give a bit of perspective (and juicy details?) on the Khanid mk II changes, but keep in mind that the stats are subject to change as with everything else on sisi, though I hope not (modulo the flavor text of course). I'm happy that you seem to like the changes for the most part and it makes me feel a bit less bummed about being rescued from a mountain side less than 24hrs ago

Dei Amarr Guiders' Of Light	Posted - 2007.07.29 19:53:00 - [2] New dev blog \o/ Why were you on a mountain side, and how did you get stuck? Should've fitted more nanofibers and less plates. --- The true master paralyses his opponent, leaving him vulnerable to attack
Camilo Cienfuegos EP0CH	Posted - 2007.07.29 19:59:00 - [3] Clearly, you weren't stabbed. Looking forward to the Khanid changes. For once, I made a good prediction on where the dev's would go! Signed, A missile ***** spec'd in Amarr ships. -- Don't take the carebears out of empire - take the empire out of carebears!
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:02:00 - [4] Nice to read stuff from the CCP crew Originally by: myself The Amarr templar joke is a joke stupid people can laugh at. Its the joke any dumb person can laugh at.
Tamoko Damage Unlimited Inc	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:07:00 - [5] Originally by: CCP Fendahl It seems that the static data has been ported from our internal server to sisi already. The static update was supposed to have been accompanied by a dev blog, but I guess our overworked QA department forgot to inform me in advance. I'll try and see if we can get it out tomorrow to give a bit of perspective (and juicy details?) on the Khanid mk II changes, but keep in mind that the stats are subject to change as with everything else on sisi, though I hope not (modulo the flavor text of course). I'm happy that you seem to like the changes for the most part and it makes me feel a bit less bummed about being rescued from a mountain side less than 24hrs ago Very, very happy with the changes. Major props, CCP. Hope all is well with you and your... err, mountain, Fendahl. Khanid Mk-II: http://i13.tinypic.com/688zvjk.jpg http://i11.tinypic.com/5ycekb8.jpg
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:09:00 - [6] Definitely looking forward to that Blawg. Originally by: CCP Fendahl I'm happy that you seem to like the changes for the most part and it makes me feel a bit less bummed about being rescued from a mountain side less than 24hrs ago Better than -not- being rescued probably. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
Otheym Suhuy	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:12:00 - [7] You. Are. My. HERO.
Ridjeck Thome The Older Gamers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:13:00 - [8] you should never feel bad about being rescued from a mountainside - Its not being rescued that should cause you the problem. can I add my thanks to the Dev team (and sarmaul) for helping add some flavour to Amarr - does it extend to battleships?
Leandro Salazar The Blackguard Wolves	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:17:00 - [9] Apreciate the changes. But where is the blackening of the Apoc and faction ships for the Khanid LP store? (Yeah yeah I know, getting offered a finger and ripping off the arm... so what? We have been waiting sooooo long! ) There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction There is no 'a' in Scorpion There is no 'e' in Caldari There is no makeup in rogue drones
Vandervecken Smith Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:20:00 - [10] At this point the only other additional thing necessary is to Free Sarmaul!!!111oneone

Kai Lae Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:23:00 - [11] Other than making these ships HAM or rocket only, instead of light/rocket or heavy/HAM like all other ships, this gets a preliminary thumbs up. Raptor and Ares Fix
Tamoko Damage Unlimited Inc	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:29:00 - [12] I can appreciate the reason for making them short range... I don't want to wrestle the one thing the poor Caldari missile sluggers have going for them: long range. Khanid Mk-II: http://i13.tinypic.com/688zvjk.jpg http://i11.tinypic.com/5ycekb8.jpg
inSpirAcy The Solopwnmobiles Derek Knows Us	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:31:00 - [13] I'm quite vocal in my criticism of changes to modules and ships on, ahem, other forums. But you guys rightly deserve praise here for implementing these changes and breathing a new and interesting lease of life into the Khanid line-up. I'm even happy with the restriction to rockets and HAMs and I think it complements the Khanid ship strengths (tanking) well. Well done. Even if it was a year late. (I couldn't resist...)
Myndpyre Ryche Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:42:00 - [14] Very impressed with the changes so far, but please consider making the damage bonuses to "EMP Only"
n0thing omen.	Posted - 2007.07.29 21:07:00 - [15] Originally by: Myndpyre Ryche Very impressed with the changes so far, but please consider making the damage bonuses to "EMP Only" Yep, otherwise, Sacri can be more worth to fly then Cerberus? ---
Kai Lae Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.07.29 21:18:00 - [16] That'll never happen. Caldari are overpriced due to their PvE ability. These ships are not that hot for PvE, though I predict they'll be nice for PvP. Raptor and Ares Fix
Deva Blackfire Citadel of dark arts	Posted - 2007.07.29 21:29:00 - [17] Originally by: n0thing Originally by: Myndpyre Ryche Very impressed with the changes so far, but please consider making the damage bonuses to "EMP Only" Yep, otherwise, Sacri can be more worth to fly then Cerberus? Nah. Cerb still has way better tank for missions while still having better damage (gistii+3x BCU). Sacri that wants to tank needs to forfeit damage and other way round. Ofc you can always shieldtank sacri... but with 10-15km range on missiles you arent going anywhere. And multiple damage types are good bonus (+ lets amarr NPC in guristas/angel space ;p)
EvilPhog Amarr Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.07.29 21:46:00 - [18] I await with much anticipation...
Ash Vincetti Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.07.29 21:58:00 - [19] Edited by: Ash Vincetti on 29/07/2007 21:59:18 About damn time, tbh. No need to make the changes EM only, the fact that the bonuses are to rockets & HAMS make them different from Caldari already. Hybrids (Split between races): Caldari - Rails Gallente - Blasters --- Projecties: Minmatar Lasers: Amarr --- Missiles (split between races): Guided: Caldari (Standards, Heavies, Cruises) Unguided: Amarr (Rockets, HAMs, Does this mean we get Sieges on the Apoc?) --- Minmatar: Gets Missiles as split bonuses, drones auxiliary Amarr: Get drones as auxiliary damage (for either missile-based, or laser based ships) Caldari: Get drones as auxiliary Minmatar: Get drones as primary damage dealer on several ships. === Interestind direction in weapon systems. I wonder if CCP will follow through, and rebalance some things. ----- free bree!
Sylek Amarr Sybrite Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.29 22:13:00 - [20] Yeah, thanks for this. Due to no dev blog being released I had time to rid myself of all my Khanid ships before everyone noticed it. To be quite honest I'd like to see how you see these ships being used. Close range missiles spammers? Rockets and HAMs are very bad missiles and are usually only used by ships that have range bonuses to missiles, something none of the Khanid ships have. These changes look cool and innovative but I don't see them working ingame. Amarrian ships are slow and pulse lasers have to biggest optimal of all the short range guns. This is why I don't really see the reason for giving us the shortest range missiles. I've pretty much lost all faith that Amarr ever be made nice, it does seem that whoever is thinking up these changes is trying more to be innovative and cool rather than actually making the ships good. Also, don't consider making the damage bonuses "EM only". Caldari mostly get a bonus to kinetic, but their bonus applies to all missiles, while our bonus applies to all damage types but only the worst of missiles, the short ranged ones.

Queen Hopy Your Friendly Booster Company	Posted - 2007.07.29 22:17:00 - [21] Originally by: Sylek Yeah, thanks for this. Due to no dev blog being released I had time to rid myself of all my Khanid ships before everyone noticed it. To be quite honest I'd like to see how you see these ships being used. Close range missiles spammers? Rockets and HAMs are very bad missiles and are usually only used by ships that have range bonuses to missiles, something none of the Khanid ships have. These changes look cool and innovative but I don't see them working ingame. Amarrian ships are slow and pulse lasers have to biggest optimal of all the short range guns. This is why I don't really see the reason for giving us the shortest range missiles. I've pretty much lost all faith that Amarr ever be made nice, it does seem that whoever is thinking up these changes is trying more to be innovative and cool rather than actually making the ships good. Also, don't consider making the damage bonuses "EM only". Caldari mostly get a bonus to kinetic, but their bonus applies to all missiles, while our bonus applies to all damage types but only the worst of missiles, the short ranged ones. Cant u just see how insanely good that sacrilege can be? Fit a dual web and camp a gate. U use zero cap to fire missiles, you have a great tanking bonus and on top of that u got a cap recharge bonus. Cant u see that can be uber.
Julius Romanus Free Space Development Cartel	Posted - 2007.07.29 22:19:00 - [22] Originally by: Queen Hopy Originally by: Sylek Yeah, thanks for this. Due to no dev blog being released I had time to rid myself of all my Khanid ships before everyone noticed it. To be quite honest I'd like to see how you see these ships being used. Close range missiles spammers? Rockets and HAMs are very bad missiles and are usually only used by ships that have range bonuses to missiles, something none of the Khanid ships have. These changes look cool and innovative but I don't see them working ingame. Amarrian ships are slow and pulse lasers have to biggest optimal of all the short range guns. This is why I don't really see the reason for giving us the shortest range missiles. I've pretty much lost all faith that Amarr ever be made nice, it does seem that whoever is thinking up these changes is trying more to be innovative and cool rather than actually making the ships good. Also, don't consider making the damage bonuses "EM only". Caldari mostly get a bonus to kinetic, but their bonus applies to all missiles, while our bonus applies to all damage types but only the worst of missiles, the short ranged ones. Cant u just see how insanely good that sacrilege can be? Fit a dual web and camp a gate. U use zero cap to fire missiles, you have a great tanking bonus and on top of that u got a cap recharge bonus. Cant u see that can be uber. Some people not liking good things = cheaper good things for people who do.
Kerdrak 3B Legio IX Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.29 22:24:00 - [23] Very nice changes, Amarr get a new flavour and unguided missiles a place to be useful ________________________________________
ForumPosterAlt HERRO KITTY	Posted - 2007.07.29 22:30:00 - [24] Thats pretty lame. Giving up on lasers... I don't see what the big deal is with simply giving amarr ships a stronger bonus to laser capacitor usage and more mid slots. Meh screw it just have amarr fire missiles... lamo Because posting on the forums is serious business.
Julius Romanus Free Space Development Cartel	Posted - 2007.07.29 22:49:00 - [25] Originally by: ForumPosterAlt Thats pretty lame. Giving up on lasers... I don't see what the big deal is with simply giving amarr ships a stronger bonus to laser capacitor usage and more mid slots. Meh screw it just have amarr fire missiles... lamo If it makes you feel better I may slap a dlpII onto that one turret slot in the diction. Probably going to be a nos, but I'd match or exceed my old dps with even an unbonused pulse in the last slot =P
Kerdrak 3B Legio IX Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.29 23:10:00 - [26] Edited by: Kerdrak on 29/07/2007 23:09:58 Originally by: ForumPosterAlt Thats pretty lame. Giving up on lasers... I don't see what the big deal is with simply giving amarr ships a stronger bonus to laser capacitor usage and more mid slots. Meh screw it just have amarr fire missiles... lamo Amarr still have the best laser ships: Zealot, Absolution, Crusader, Armageddon, Retribution... Now simply the Khanid ships are useful. ________________________________________
lofty29 Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.07.29 23:11:00 - [27] Originally by: Camilo Cienfuegos Clearly, you weren't stabbed. Well he would be in the hospital if he was... Oh, wait --- Project Mayhem
Josh Causto Gallente Fatalix Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.29 23:21:00 - [28] Edited by: Josh Causto on 29/07/2007 23:21:40 I think the real person you need to be thanking is Sarm :p Originally by: Speed Devil Originally by: ReePeR McAllem Everytime you fit anything other than a laser on our ships, babies die. and when ya fit lasers on your ships nothing dies
LUH 3471	Posted - 2007.07.29 23:40:00 - [29] Originally by: CCP Fendahl It seems that the static data has been ported from our internal server to sisi already. The static update was supposed to have been accompanied by a dev blog, but I guess our overworked QA department forgot to inform me in advance. I'll try and see if we can get it out tomorrow to give a bit of perspective (and juicy details?) on the Khanid mk II changes, but keep in mind that the stats are subject to change as with everything else on sisi, though I hope not (modulo the flavor text of course). I'm happy that you seem to like the changes for the most part and it makes me feel a bit less bummed about being rescued from a mountain side less than 24hrs ago <3
Linnth	Posted - 2007.07.29 23:55:00 - [30] Originally by: Kerdrak Amarr still have the best laser ships: Zealot, Absolution, Crusader, Armageddon, Retribution... Now simply the Khanid ships are useful. Well what the heck do you expect? You think Minmatar si going to have the best laser ships??? The point is that lasers needed serious help, and now all they get is another (rather weak) weapon system to mess with.



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