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Vorte X
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Posted - 2007.08.03 19:23:00 -
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Edited by: Vorte X on 03/08/2007 19:25:38
Well for what it is worth, yesterday I was attacked and killed using methods that are similar to that described at URL http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=552962. I consider this an exploit.
Anyway exploit or not.
I was randsomed for a few hundred million isk and after paying I was then killed anyway (shame). Although I have experienced this personally I know this has happened to others.
The names of those that hit me are: Ionhide and Vasili vonHolst
So please be aware of this tactic and note that paying the randsom will not save your ship. Do not pay the randsom, you will just loose more.
Yeah I am stupid for getting into this in the 1st place, it basically just confirms don't trust anyone in game. |
Andruw
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Posted - 2007.08.03 19:32:00 -
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the idea of paying a ransom is kinda absurd imho, in one of the most backstabbing games (apperently) on the net you're supposed to trust this pirate who wants to blow your ship up after giving him a heap of cash, that he wont take more cash?
It defies logic...
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Bryg Philomena
Green Lantern Corps
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Posted - 2007.08.03 19:42:00 -
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so, uh what were you flying and how much did you lose? :P
/me waits for a lofty post
 Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Am I reading this correctly? You claim you have a bug that undresses female avatars???
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Agent Li
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Posted - 2007.08.03 20:04:00 -
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Originally by: Vorte X
Edited by: Vorte X on 03/08/2007 19:25:38
Well for what it is worth, yesterday I was attacked and killed using methods that are similar to that described at URL http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=552962. I consider this an exploit.
Anyway exploit or not.
I was randsomed for a few hundred million isk and after paying I was then killed anyway (shame). Although I have experienced this personally I know this has happened to others.
The names of those that hit me are: Ionhide and Vasili vonHolst
So please be aware of this tactic and note that paying the randsom will not save your ship. Do not pay the randsom, you will just loose more.
Yeah I am stupid for getting into this in the 1st place, it basically just confirms don't trust anyone in game.
Linky no work.
BTW, if this is the gang/war thing, it's not an exploit. If you can't understand the game mechanics, and voluntarily put yourself into a gang and are then podded, there isn't room for you in Eve.
Understand game mechanics.
Fly ONLY with friends you know and trust.
Be ready to shoot back or die whenever you undock.
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dragonssbane
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.08.03 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: Vorte X
Edited by: Vorte X on 03/08/2007 19:25:38
Well for what it is worth, yesterday I was attacked and killed using methods that are similar to that described at URL http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=552962. I consider this an exploit.
Anyway exploit or not.
I was randsomed for a few hundred million isk and after paying I was then killed anyway (shame). Although I have experienced this personally I know this has happened to others.
The names of those that hit me are: Ionhide and Vasili vonHolst
So please be aware of this tactic and note that paying the randsom will not save your ship. Do not pay the randsom, you will just loose more.
Yeah I am stupid for getting into this in the 1st place, it basically just confirms don't trust anyone in game.
Uh...they were not pirates. Pirates will honor ransoms. These guys are just punks. Before you make a bad decision like not paying..check to see if they are truly apart of a well established group like Veto and the like. They will honor ransoms.
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Jarek Neltharek
Caldari
Free Space Development Cartel
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Posted - 2007.08.03 21:21:00 -
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Those aren't pirates, they're just smart ass punks. True pirates will either pod you and not bother with a ransom(Kill mails FTW) or ransom you and once paid, will disengage and move on.
Think I may just add these 2 to my buddy list and go hunting.
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jimmyjam
Divine Heresy
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Posted - 2007.08.04 00:20:00 -
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Originally by: Jarek Neltharek
Those aren't pirates, they're just smart ass punks. True pirates will either pod you and not bother with a ransom(Kill mails FTW) or ransom you and once paid, will disengage and move on.
Think I may just add these 2 to my buddy list and go hunting.
QFT
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Liaya
Vindictive Behavior
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Posted - 2007.08.04 00:38:00 -
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Originally by: Andruw
the idea of paying a ransom is kinda absurd imho, in one of the most backstabbing games (apperently) on the net you're supposed to trust this pirate who wants to blow your ship up after giving him a heap of cash, that he wont take more cash?
It defies logic...
Because it's in the pirates best interest to get the ransom? And your reputation plays a big part in how people see you in Eve, if people know you don't honor then they won't pay. And seeing as how ransoms might be one of the few ways you have of making money, it's a much better way of getting cash than hoping the loot that actually drops is worth a fair bit.
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.08.04 01:32:00 -
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Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 04/08/2007 01:32:00
Originally by: Vorte X
So please be aware of this tactic and note that paying the randsom will not save your ship. Do not pay the randsom, you will just loose more.
The professional pirate corps in EvE WILL honor ransoms.
"Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way"
General George Patton USA
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SXyWhile
Gallente
NYIT Gangstaz
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.04 03:56:00 -
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Edited by: SXyWhile on 04/08/2007 03:57:04
Quote:
The professional pirate corps in EvE WILL honor ransoms.
He's right. Most professional pirate corps will let you fly off with your ship intact if you do in-fact pay the ransom they request. However, be mindful of who the pirates are before you send them isk. If you're curious who these corps are, just ask.
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Bryg Philomena
Green Lantern Corps
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Posted - 2007.08.04 04:32:00 -
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lol he was invited to a warring gang. vasili made an error when ganging.. oops
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Am I reading this correctly? You claim you have a bug that undresses female avatars???
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Vorte X
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Posted - 2007.08.04 05:36:00 -
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Yes after checking my logs i can see that I should not have accepted this gang invite (Dont know why I didn't see this at the time). The gang invite was from Ionhide. Guess I saw that he was in a NPC Corp and thought it was ok.
Quote:
"vasili made an error when ganging.. oops"
Vasili didnt gang me, also it was no error. I have since found out that they used the same tactics earlier and even the ranson was the same.
I feel ripped off in a major way.
To those that replied to this thread thanks for the info and comments etc bad and good. |
Insomnium
Minmatar
the united
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Posted - 2007.08.05 01:03:00 -
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it's hard to tell who're real pirates these days besides those corps that have already established themselves such as Veto. like stated before, there are true pirates and there are punks. unfortunately there are many more punks than pirates and they defile the name.
as for the joining a warring group. /me laughs 
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Terex193
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Posted - 2007.08.05 03:07:00 -
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all the pirates ive encountered,usually trying to gank me,they all left in pods,i never had to pay a ransom,so yea =P
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hUssmann
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.08.05 11:28:00 -
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Originally by: Terex193
all the pirates ive encountered,usually trying to gank me,they all left in pods,i never had to pay a ransom,so yea =P
Oh, the ego.
Ginger Magician > You are merely an effective ganker of haulers who runs at the first sign of combat. |
Cainus
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Posted - 2007.08.05 11:53:00 -
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There are far fewer true pirates now then there were many ages ago. Imo, a true pirate would live on ransoms + ship kills alone, and be able to kill ships on his lonesome. Sadly, there are dozens of circumstances that have hindered pirates and they're far less popular than they were. They're still around and here to stay, but it's nowhere near as easy as it used to be. Check the person who ransoms you, if he's a true pirate then pay him out of honor for continuing to defy the onslaught of nerfs ccp has placed upon him. Or you could just call in your buddies and pop him, that seems to be a more popular choice these days.
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Black Harbinger
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Posted - 2007.08.05 13:32:00 -
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lol im a pirate myself and i know alot of corps that honor ransoms but the thing is if you go down slow against 10 people in cruisers or higher then your worth the pop cos theres a chance you'll have faction/deadspace cos it took a long time to take you down ...same with freighters . corps see it as a dent in there reputation but they are willing to have that dent if they have a good chance of gettin good loot after you pay your ransom
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Freya Selene
Infinitus Odium
The Church.
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Posted - 2007.08.05 13:52:00 -
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Edited by: Freya Selene on 05/08/2007 13:52:02
Originally by: Black Harbinger
lol im a pirate myself and i know alot of corps that honor ransoms but the thing is if you go down slow against 10 people in cruisers or higher then your worth the pop cos theres a chance you'll have faction/deadspace cos it took a long time to take you down ...same with freighters . corps see it as a dent in there reputation but they are willing to have that dent if they have a good chance of gettin good loot after you pay your ransom
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Beastoria
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.08.05 15:21:00 -
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If you encounter anyone from SNIGG then you can be pretty damn sure that we WILL honour a ransom.
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Arvald
Caldari
House of Tempers
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Posted - 2007.08.06 00:40:00 -
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Originally by: Beastoria
If you encounter anyone from SNIGG then you can be pretty damn sure that we WILL honour a ransom.
same with house of tempers baby
forum warrior in training
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Travis050
Legio Mortalitas
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Posted - 2007.08.06 03:07:00 -
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^ and ^^
same with Legio mortis =)
Remember if you want to pay a random NEVER call friends into system...
Pirate will probably see them in local and just bbq you...
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Arrgs
Retribution Corp.
Enelaise
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Posted - 2007.08.06 03:39:00 -
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Same with me personally. If I ever bother to undock.
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xenodia
Gallente
Shadowrun Company
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Posted - 2007.08.06 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: Vorte X
Edited by: Vorte X on 04/08/2007 02:06:41
Well for what it is worth, yesterday I was attacked and killed using methods that are similar to that described at URL http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=552962. I consider this an exploit.
Anyway exploit or not.
I was ransomed for a few hundred million isk and after paying I was then killed anyway (shame). Although I have experienced this personally I know this has happened to others.
The names of those that hit me are: Ionhide and Vasili vonHolst
So please be aware of this tactic and note that paying the ransom will not save your ship. Do not pay the ransom, you will just loose more.
Yeah I am stupid for getting into this in the 1st place, it basically just confirms don't trust anyone in game.
Most large and/or well known pirate corps will honor ransoms. But never trust some small 1 or 2 man outfit will. The large groups have more to lose by not honoring a ransom. A couple of noobs like you ran into have nothing to lose.
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BritishInvader
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Posted - 2007.08.06 17:33:00 -
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I pirate, and I NEVER blow up the guy if he pays me the cash. I have once blown up someone for not giving me enough cash (Tried to trick me by dropping a 0 and claiming he didn't have the cash), but I never blow people up if they pay, if by some chance they pay, and I accidentally blow them (Happened once, lag), I give them back their cash at the very least.
Pirates have a certain amount of honour, and I think everyone who doesn't respect the ransom code is very much frowned upon.
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Mesper
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Posted - 2007.08.06 20:27:00 -
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Originally by: Agent Li
BTW, if this is the gang/war thing, it's not an exploit. If you can't understand the game mechanics, and voluntarily put yourself into a gang and are then podded, there isn't room for you in Eve.
It's only not an exploit in the loosest sense of the term. It's a broken grouping mechanic.
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Zenobite
The Malevolent
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Posted - 2007.08.07 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: Mesper
Originally by: Agent Li
BTW, if this is the gang/war thing, it's not an exploit. If you can't understand the game mechanics, and voluntarily put yourself into a gang and are then podded, there isn't room for you in Eve.
It's only not an exploit in the loosest sense of the term. It's a broken grouping mechanic.
Why do people expect Eve to protect them from the own stupidity?
A warning comes up EVEY time when your invited to gang. If you ignore it, accept invites from random people or can't be bothered to look for war targets in local - you derseve to get ganked.
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Mesper
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Posted - 2007.08.07 13:57:00 -
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Edited by: Mesper on 07/08/2007 13:58:24
Whoops, double post.
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Mesper
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Posted - 2007.08.07 13:58:00 -
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Originally by: Zenobite
A warning comes up EVEY time *snip*
Afraid not.
First broken mechanic: being able to invite people you're at war with to start off with.
Second broken mechanic: not being shown this is the case somehow, even in the overview in the form of blinky red.
Third (potentially) broken mechanic: After the group boss was able to invite an enemy to your group and after they opened fire before you knew you were a valid target, you are attacked for the equivalent of saying 'hi' to someone. Grouping != Corp alliance.
A warning message makes not a fixed mechanic.
My 2c.
edit: But that's neither here nor there for this thread. It's about these pirates who are hurting the ransom market for the rest of ya's. 
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DarkElf
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.08.07 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: Andruw
the idea of paying a ransom is kinda absurd imho, in one of the most backstabbing games (apperently) on the net you're supposed to trust this pirate who wants to blow your ship up after giving him a heap of cash, that he wont take more cash?
It defies logic...
it doesn't defy logic at all. If the pirate you are paying is in a respectable corp that has made a name for itself on honour over a long time by honouring every ransom then it's money well spent. personally i would never pay a ransom to a corp that i haven't heard of.
DE
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Okkie2
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Posted - 2007.08.07 14:42:00 -
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Originally by: DarkElf
Originally by: Mesper
Originally by: Zenobite
A warning comes up EVEY time *snip*
Afraid not.
First broken mechanic: being able to invite people you're at war with to start off with.
Second broken mechanic: not being shown this is the case somehow, even in the overview in the form of blinky red.
Third (potentially) broken mechanic: After the group boss was able to invite an enemy to your group and after they opened fire before you knew you were a valid target, you are attacked for the equivalent of saying 'hi' to someone. Grouping != Corp alliance.
A warning message makes not a fixed mechanic.
My 2c.
edit: But that's neither here nor there for this thread. It's about these pirates who are hurting the ransom market for the rest of ya's.
i'm afraid he is correct. go onto game, ask someone to invite you to a gang and read the message that comes up.
DE
I'm afraid he is not 
You do get a message if you are invited to a gang which has somebody who is at war in it, but not if somebody is invited after you joined the gang.
So after you've accepted the gang let the gangleader invite a war target and notice you don't see any message warning you about being in a gang with a war target....
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