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FingerThief Gallente	Posted - 2007.08.06 08:11:00 - [61] Thread derailing ftw ... Now .. if I understood everything correctly: A) CCP removes fansites if they have (not only google.com) RMT ads ? - Good B) eve-tanking.com/Nyphur outlined the benefits/problems ? - Well done C) CCP gives love to the thread ? - Finally D) Somebody breaks a lance for google.com in general ? - What's that got to do with OP ? We're talking bout a CCP - fansite - ads in general. That eve-tanking.com used google.com - oh well. Consider it for explanatory purposes only, there's no need to get all fuzzy bout it and start discussing internet history or the 666 ( evilness iow ) of google.com E) Nyphur - paypal donate button ... I will. FT PS. Please don't jump in because I called google.com evil. I have my opinion, you have yours ... forum PvP to convince me otherwise, you'll lose.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.08.06 08:12:00 - [62] Originally by: FingerThief Now .. if I understood everything correctly: [thread] Yup, you did. That's precisely what's happening. _ Complaint vs whine \| Char creation guide \| Stacknerfs explained

hango Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.08.06 08:13:00 - [63] Originally by: Curzon Dax I clicked your ISK buying ads gleefully and repeatedly, hoping to see money pouring into your wallet and emptying from theirs. Be careful what you do there - if Google suspects clickfraud they'll gank his account very fast, and the appeals process consists of an automated "we're sorry, now go away" message. forum rules \| [email protected] \| Our Website

Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2007.08.06 08:15:00 - [64] Originally by: FingerThief PS. Please don't jump in because I called google.com evil. I have my opinion, you have yours ... forum PvP to convince me otherwise, you'll lose. It'd be interesting if people started bringing forum PvP into in-game. Wardec for posting flames? :D Eve-Tanking.com - We're sorry, something happened.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.08.06 08:15:00 - [65] Edited by: Akita T on 06/08/2007 08:17:15 Originally by: hango Originally by: Curzon Dax I clicked your ISK buying ads gleefully and repeatedly, hoping to see money pouring into your wallet and emptying from theirs. Be careful what you do there - if Google suspects clickfraud they'll gank his account very quickly, and the appeals process consists of an automated "we're sorry, now go away" message. Actually, this has already happened, if I remember the excerpts of Nyphur's mail conversations with Google right (from one or two months ago in here, in a different thread approaching the same issue). Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: FingerThief PS. Please don't jump in because I called google.com evil. I have my opinion, you have yours ... forum PvP to convince me otherwise, you'll lose. It'd be interesting if people started bringing forum PvP into in-game. Wardec for posting flames? :D Yeah, I wonder why that seldom happends Goes to show how meaningless forum arguments are for the ones posting them _ Complaint vs whine \| Char creation guide \| Stacknerfs explained
Savvon	Posted - 2007.08.06 08:17:00 - [66] Originally by: hango Be careful what you do there - if Google suspects clickfraud they'll gank his account very quickly, and the appeals process consists of an automated "we're sorry, now go away" message. According to Nyphur's original post, it would be CCP banning his account and saying "we're sorry, now go away" for clicking on Google Ads on a Eve-Online fan site. This is one of the reasons I do not support this move and is the main reason I am getting so much heat on these forums.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.08.06 08:23:00 - [67] Originally by: Savvon According to Nyphur's original post, it would be CCP banning his account and saying "we're sorry, now go away" for clicking on Google Ads on a Eve-Online fan site. This is one of the reasons I do not support this move and is the main reason I am getting so much heat on these forums. Actually, this is yet another one of your reading comprehension failures. Nyphur says he runs a site (namely evetanking.com), and he used to have AdSense on it for revenue. He also says in the OP that other players from EVE that come and visit his site are TEMPTED to click on "buy ISK" links shown by AdSense (because those are the high-paygrade ones, so they display much more often if unfiltered), and THOSE players, the ones that click them and make a purchase there are in danger of being hit with the EULA over the face even if they were unaware of the fact ISK buying is against the EULA. While normally the punishment for ISK buying is a negative ISK balance (GMs take away all ISK obtained this way), sometimes the punishment is harsher than that. So, Nyphur is saying that by KEEPING AdSense on his site, he would be unwillingly/accidentally helping people get self-shafted. _ Complaint vs whine \| Char creation guide \| Stacknerfs explained
Savvon	Posted - 2007.08.06 08:34:00 - [68] Unlike you (a person who thinks his opinion is fact), I actually use the words Nyphur used. Nyphur said, and I quote: Given that people who use them unwittingly (not knowing that it's against the EULA) may be banned, that kind of hard line rule will serve to protect more people than it will annoy. This is not a fact. This is a scare monger tactic plain and simple. You are so hell bent on fighting with me your reasoning is non-existent. So I will tell you what I am going to do. I will let you have the last word (insult probably). I will also let all you think I am the ignorant one and have no clue what I am talking about. Believe whatever mythology you wish to. In the meantime, I suggest you write CCP and ask them to pull their ads from Google Ads for some might think it would be a tad bit hypocrytical not letting others use Google Ads when Eve-Online is advertised through Google Ads. I have tried to get it through your hate. I do not know what else to say to make it anymore clear.
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2007.08.06 08:40:00 - [69] Edited by: Nyphur on 06/08/2007 08:40:22 Stop repeating yourself, I already addressed that point. You took that quotation out of context and misunderstood it. I said that people who use isk-selling websites unwittingly due to not knowing they break the EULA are likely to be banned, where's the problem? Eve-Tanking.com - We're sorry, something happened.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.08.06 08:44:00 - [70] Originally by: Savvon Unlike you (a person who thinks his opinion is fact), I actually use the words Nyphur used. Nyphur said, and I quote: Given that people who use them unwittingly (not knowing that it's against the EULA) may be banned, that kind of hard line rule will serve to protect more people than it will annoy. This is not a fact. This is a scare monger tactic plain and simple. It's only a "scare monger tactic" if you MISREAD it as "the webmasters that use them" as opposed to what everybody else but you understood as "the players that click them and make a purchase". As I was saying N+1 times before... reading comprehension FTL. _ Complaint vs whine \| Char creation guide \| Stacknerfs explained
Savvon	Posted - 2007.08.06 08:45:00 - [71] Originally by: Nyphur where's the problem? The problem is you are constantly telling me I do not understand what you meant. The fact is, I know exactly what you meant. Sorry I can read through all the fluff. I admire that you are promoting your website, but come on! Is this the only way you can raise money from it? By bashing Google Ads with misinformation? If you do not like Google, so be it. However, give the people some facts, not overblown "CNN style" information. I donate to another Eve website because they give me information that is valuable to me and they do not use Google Ads. Tell me, why should I donate to your website? Most of the content is out of date. Not a flame, seriously asking.
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2007.08.06 08:47:00 - [72] Originally by: Savvon Originally by: Nyphur where's the problem? The problem is you are constantly telling me I do not understand what you meant. The fact is, I know exactly what you meant. But you've consistently demonstrated that you don't by bringing up points that only hold water IF you misread something I've written. Eve-Tanking.com - We're sorry, something happened.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.08.06 08:49:00 - [73] Edited by: Akita T on 06/08/2007 08:51:10 Originally by: Savvon The fact is, I know exactly what you meant. Actually, most of your posts so far PROVE you don't understand. Originally by: Savvon I donate to another Eve website because they give me information that is valuable to me and they do not use Google Ads. Tell me, why should I donate to your website? Most of the content is out of date. Not a flame, seriously asking. If you got nothing you could use out of his site, or you don't enjoy the site either, no reason to donate, is there ? That's why people call them "donations"... you do it only if you want to. _ Complaint vs whine \| Char creation guide \| Stacknerfs explained
Savvon	Posted - 2007.08.06 08:53:00 - [74] Quote: So we've covered the 'how' but what about the 'why'? Using the above three systems should definitely replace the cash lost through dilligently filtering your google ads and should replace most of the cash lost from removing them entirely. I reccomend complete removal as being dilligent enough to update the filter as soon as a new site pops up is going to take up far too much of people's time. The primary reason to remove the ads is that they directly support RMT and thus directly support disruptive isk-farmers in-game. The more websites that remove their ads, the less money the isk farmers will make. It's just that simple. Another major reason or two are discussed by CCP PR & Communications Director Pann in this forum thread. Websites that host isk-selling adverts will not be allowed into the official fansite list and hopefully will not be allowed to be linked at all on the forums, in a signature or in public channels in-game. I'd like people to show support for the idea that links to websites containing isk-selling ads should not be allowed in public areas in eve in order to discourage spreading of those websites. Given that people who use them unwittingly (not knowing that it's against the EULA) may be banned, that kind of hard line rule will serve to protect more people than it will annoy. Comprehend the underlined bold. These are the opinions that are wrong, misleading and hurts CCP more then it would help. You will notice everything I underlined and bolded (I didn't correct spelling)are not facts but opinions. I disagree with this and I believe that both sides of the situation should be heard so people can make their own intelligent decision on their own.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.08.06 08:58:00 - [75] Edited by: Akita T on 06/08/2007 08:59:15 What's there misleading about a RECOMMENDATION ? He's speaking from personal experience. ARE YOU running an EVE fansite ? Have you TRIED getting listed as official fansite ? Do you use AdSense on your EVE fansite and try to filter the RMT ads ? If the answer of any of the above questions is "no", then STFU, you have no clue (no clue, no clue... echo... echooooo....). _ Complaint vs whine \| Char creation guide \| Stacknerfs explained
Savvon	Posted - 2007.08.06 09:00:00 - [76] Originally by: Akita T He's speaking from personal experience. ARE YOU ? First of all, talking to you is like talking to an angry wall. So I will start giving you answers that you can comprehend and not twist around. Answer: Yes.
Victor Valka Caldari Archon Industries	Posted - 2007.08.06 09:00:00 - [77] Let this thread die, Akita. Savvon is about as bullheaded as his avatar looks. (No. Personal attacks are not beyond me.)
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.08.06 09:02:00 - [78] Actually, I enjoy the presence of his bullheadedness. It's what's keeping the thread alive, and it deserves to be kept alive and on the first page. His arguments are so laughable at that they don't hurt the OP at all. _ Complaint vs whine \| Char creation guide \| Stacknerfs explained
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.08.06 09:03:00 - [79] Originally by: Savvon So I will start giving you answers that you can comprehend and not twist around. Yes. Read the edit. THEN reply. _ Complaint vs whine \| Char creation guide \| Stacknerfs explained
Savvon	Posted - 2007.08.06 09:05:00 - [80] Originally by: Akita T Read the edit. THEN reply. Answer: Yes.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.08.06 09:06:00 - [81] Edited by: Akita T on 06/08/2007 09:06:33 Originally by: Savvon Answer: Yes. Link to YOUR EVE fansite site then ? Here, shameless plug opportunity. Take it while it lasts. _ Complaint vs whine \| Char creation guide \| Stacknerfs explained
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2007.08.06 09:12:00 - [82] Edited by: Nyphur on 06/08/2007 09:13:24 Bang bang bang! I figure you're just trolling for kicks since you're not even backing up your arguments. It's unfortunate that you've decided to read some kind of anti-google and anti-ccp sentiment into what I've written and I'm frankly baffled by it as that was not the intent at all. Of course I'm advertising my website, it's even linked in my signature so that every post I make is advertising it. That doesn't change anything or automatically invalidate any of my points. This thread was made from my personal experiences with advertising on an eve fansite and from CCP's new policy with regard links on the official fansite list. The only thing I can think of is that you're trying to troll the thread so hard that it will get locked and you may well achieve that. Eve-Tanking.com - We're sorry, something happened.
Victor Valka Caldari Archon Industries	Posted - 2007.08.06 09:14:00 - [83] Oh. Smooth!
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.08.06 09:15:00 - [84] Ah, nevermind. Think I found it. Wouldn't it be http://celestiainc.tripod.com ? Oh, here's a screenshot from a few seconds ago : Linkage I blanked out the "offending" link. Oh, and I don't see your site listed as official EVE fansite. _ Complaint vs whine \| Char creation guide \| Stacknerfs explained
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2007.08.06 09:18:00 - [85] Originally by: Akita T Ah, nevermind. Think I found it. Wouldn't it be http://celestiainc.tripod.com ? Oh, here's a screenshot from a few seconds ago : Linkage I blanked out the "offending" link. Oh, and I don't see your site listed as official EVE fansite. To be fair, neither is mine (though I have applied) and that looks just like a corp website, which they don't currently accept. Eve-Tanking.com - We're sorry, something happened.
Savvon	Posted - 2007.08.06 09:21:00 - [86] Originally by: Nyphur If you're not going to give reasons why the underlined sections are wrong, anti-google or anti-ccp, I'm just going to shoot your post down without addressing those sections. It's unfortunate that you've decided to read some kind of anti-google and anti-ccp sentiment into what I've written and I'm frankly baffled by it as that was not the intent at all. I gave you the reasons why the underlined sections are wrong. From my first post no less. You want me to write an essay to show you what you already know? Waste of time if you ask me. I figured you to be more intelligent then that. I did not decide to turn this thread into an anti-Google campaign. You did by trying to take business away from Google. How can you say it was not your intent to "bash" Google. It is the main reason of this topic. No wonder why you think I do not understand what you wrote. You seem to have trouble grasping your own text. I ask again since you dodged the question with your pretty Photoshop skills: Why should anyone donate to your site? What service do you provide?
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2007.08.06 09:30:00 - [87] Edited by: Nyphur on 06/08/2007 09:30:49 Originally by: Savvon I ask again since you dodged the question with your pretty Photoshop skills: Why should anyone donate to your site? What service do you provide? Paint shop pro, actually. And they shouldn't donate, I'm not asking anyone to donate anything to me, that is in fact not how donations in general work. If someone wants to donate to me, that's fantastic and I've provided a button for those that want to, but I'm not asking for it, I don't need it and I don't expect it. If someone has some spare cash, they should really be donating to an eve community site they like such as eve-files and ICSC jump planner, which I know both cost a lot of money to run. Eve-Tanking.com - We're sorry, something happened.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.08.06 09:38:00 - [88] Originally by: Savvon You did by trying to take business away from Google. OH NO GOOGLE WILL DIE WITHOUT THE 50 USD/MONTH MY LITTLE SITE AND MAYBE 100 OTHERS (tops) LIKE IT GENERATES IN REVENUE FOR THEM !!! Oh, the drama, their stock might fall 0.0001% next quarter ! Please, think of the Google children ! Those imigrants, they're stealing all our jobs ! Oh wait, what were we talking about ? _ Complaint vs whine \| Char creation guide \| Stacknerfs explained
HankMurphy Minmatar Pelennor Swarm R i s e	Posted - 2007.08.06 09:55:00 - [89] Originally by: Nyphur Edited by: Nyphur on 06/08/2007 09:14:50 Bang bang bang! I figure you're just trolling for kicks since you're not even backing up your arguments. If you're not going to give reasons why the underlined sections are wrong, anti-google or anti-ccp, I'm just going to shoot your post down without addressing those sections. It's unfortunate that you've decided to read some kind of anti-google and anti-ccp sentiment into what I've written and I'm frankly baffled by it as that was not the intent at all. Of course I'm advertising my website, it's even linked in my signature so that every post I make is advertising it. That doesn't change anything or automatically invalidate any of my points. This thread was made from my personal experiences with advertising on an eve fansite and from CCP's new policy with regard links on the official fansite list. The only thing I can think of is that you're trying to troll the thread so hard that it will get locked and you may well achieve that. ROFL! I haven't read 3 words what you ppl are talking about. Regardless, that has to be the best reply I've ever seen. (just the picture, i'm seriously not even reading whatever this thread is for. )
KHEN New Horizons	Posted - 2007.08.06 10:52:00 - [90] Originally by: Nyphur Hey guys, #1 Eve Online's official affiliate system. Despite the complete lack of customer service or response to any mails, this system has been awesome because the adverts are really pretty and the pay for an actual signup is pretty good. Even though it pays in us dollars, a particularly weak currency at the moment, it's still nice to see your link has generated a signup or two for eve. Each signup (person who pays for a subscription after the trial) pays you $7. On an eve fansite, you are unlikely to get many clicks. I had to advertise my link elsewhere to get a decent signup rate and have had practically none since I stopped that. You might get the occasional signup from someone googling about eve-online. These ads are really no bother to include on your website, they directly support CCP and Eve Online and they're really pretty. Hey Nyphur, I really like your website. I have a few more accounts to create for friends joining the game these days. After Trial, I'll use GTC bought on forums and from regular suppliers for iskies to register their accounts. If I use the link on your website to get the trial keys, will you be paid $7 per account registered this way ? Otherwise I can ask my supplier to purchase their GTCs via you website. So... let me know what is doable or not, and what's profitable for you Regards and thanks again for your work

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