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DMF KingBob
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Posted - 2007.08.05 11:27:00 -
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in last time i see in pvp that everybody is using remote sensor damper to get out of range and need no tank and making his pvp easy to win
i using an sensor booster in my pvp ship but this is not god enough against 2 noobs with Remote Sensor Damper they nosed my out an let her drones do the job
@at devs/cpp please stop this
if you like remote sensor damper fitted on your ships please dont post an reply nobody need this spam
thx
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James Duar
Merch Industrial
We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.08.05 11:29:00 -
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So basically you don't want to hear any contra-opinions? Got ya.
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KingBobs Dawn
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Posted - 2007.08.05 11:36:00 -
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sensor booster is an contra option
it is ok to use this stuff on the right ship
but not on every ship like a vagabond/curse/merlin and more kind of this
this makes pvp too easy (the guy with mo¯t sensor damper and booster wins)
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James Duar
Merch Industrial
We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.08.05 11:39:00 -
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The guys with most <offensive module here> over <defensive module here> will always win, that tends to be how these things go.
The fact of the matter is you're options for effective e-war are ECM and RSDs. Target Painters are laffo and Tracking Disrupters are both very short range and situation dependent - meet a missile user and those slots are worse the useless.
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DMF KingBob
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Posted - 2007.08.05 11:44:00 -
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Edited by: DMF KingBob on 05/08/2007 11:47:16
the RSD works great on missiles user too
and ECM is fixed and no comparison against the every time working RSD
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James Duar
Merch Industrial
We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.08.05 11:51:00 -
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RSDs do not work all the time. They have a fall off with range. They stack. They do absolutely nothing if you're already locked and don't drop their targeting range below yours.
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Methem
The Hand of Mortis
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Posted - 2007.08.05 11:56:00 -
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2 ships fitted with RSD SHOULD be able to kill a BS with a 1 sensor booster.
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Rigsta
Gallente
Raddick Explorations
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.08.05 11:58:00 -
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Any ship fitting EW is giving up valuable mid slots, CPU and significant cap usage, especially for T2 dampeners.
The only complaint I have about sensor dampeners atm is their effectiveness versus carriers - but I view that more as a problem with carriers than with dampeners as a whole.
 Originally by: Jim McGregor
I felt the disturbance... it was like a million voices suddenly stopped whining for a second. Unfortunantly it then continued.
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Azirapheal
Amarr
Ore Mongers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.08.05 17:42:00 -
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(expletive alluding to the doggish qualities of the OP's mother and certain sexual acts) OFF
no i dont use sensor damps myself BUT IM ******* SICK OF THE ******* NERF BRIGADE.
you mission*****s get it all your own ******* way dont you?
nerf nos, wtz, nanonerf etc etc etc
you always tell us pirates to adapt, WE DO
NOW MOTHER******* ADAPT YOURSELF.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for.
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Gorek Loc
Fine Art Manufactury
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Posted - 2007.08.05 17:46:00 -
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Originally by: DMF KingBob
... using an sensor booster in my pvp ship but this is not god enough against 2 noobs with Remote Sensor Damper they nosed my out an let her drones do the job
You lost ? Who's the noob then?
alright, to the point: Sensor Dampeners are a weapon, just like Booster, turrets and launchers. ECM is a weapon too. If they can't lock you, they can't dampen you. It's simply a matter of having a counter-attack.
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Chi Quan
Jade Phoenix Deutschland
Event-Horizon
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Posted - 2007.08.05 18:07:00 -
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you were outnumbered 2:1 and lost? 
how do you know the otheres were noobs?
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Andreya
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Posted - 2007.08.05 18:09:00 -
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i hate dealing with damps as well, but, my only complaint is,
that damps use less cpu and cap than tracking disrupters (i think, maybe not both tho) ... and i think they had better range as well...
sue me if im wrong. but anywho, i think we can agree that damps in general are more usefull and should maybe use more cpu/cap than the TDs
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Feng Schui
Minmatar
The Ninja Coalition
New Eve Order
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Posted - 2007.08.05 20:10:00 -
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sensor damp nerf is coming, trust me.
just like using cap boosters (or your own NOS).. was the solution for the NOS.. it was too powerful.
lets make the game a grungy replica of hello kitty online 
The Beginning <-- crap quality, need to redo, sorry :( |
aaron 619
Gallente
DAB
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.05 22:04:00 -
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OMG, I am so FUKCING tried of these noobs wining about nerff this and overpowered that.
You know what, if he did it to you, you can do the same thing back and thats what makes it a fare fight.
Now if you choose not to do the same to him. then thats your own dam fault and makes you a bad PVPER.
So stop crying and drop you stuff off in my hanger in jita when you quit!
   
Sell your minerals on the market!
Don't settle for what others WANT to pay you!
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DMF KingBob
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Posted - 2007.08.06 01:52:00 -
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to jamm good with ECM is an jamm ship (some caldarie) with distortion amplifier needed
but to jamm effectiv with RSDs it needs no amplifier or bonus-ship to jamm effectiv an its works all the time you can fitt it on an curse and it works great
thats the simple difference
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BlackHorizon
Caldari
Dark Knights of Deneb
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.08.06 05:47:00 -
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Luigi Thirty
Caldari
19th Star Logistics
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Posted - 2007.08.06 05:58:00 -
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Originally by: Azirapheal
(expletive alluding to the doggish qualities of the OP's mother and certain sexual acts) OFF
no i dont use sensor damps myself BUT IM ******* SICK OF THE ******* NERF BRIGADE.
you mission*****s get it all your own ******* way dont you?
nerf nos, wtz, nanonerf etc etc etc
you always tell us pirates to adapt, WE DO
NOW MOTHER******* ADAPT YOURSELF.
You seem angry
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MasterDecoy
Gallente
The Grifters
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Posted - 2007.08.06 06:23:00 -
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Edited by: MasterDecoy on 06/08/2007 06:26:39
nos has been nerfed, now onto the next 'whine du jour'.
shut the **** up you whiny little ***** and play the game.
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if you like remote sensor damper fitted on your ships please dont post an reply nobody need this spam
spam? like the threads after threads of you noobs crying for nerfing of this/that/the other thing? that kind of spam?
the only trend going on atm is the constant carebear cries of 'nerf this pls kthx'.
stay off the ******* boards
nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf
everybody!
*edit*
bitter much?
http://dkod.kukaservers.com/kb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7618
Originally by: Gan Dalf
What's going on? Why is TQ down? Who is "GMT"? What's 'Reality', will it hurt?
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Bongpipe Bum
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Posted - 2007.08.06 08:14:00 -
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Originally by: DMF KingBob
in last time i see in pvp that everybody is using remote sensor damper to get out of range and need no tank and making his pvp easy to win
i using an sensor booster in my pvp ship but this is not god enough against 2 noobs with Remote Sensor Damper they nosed my out an let her drones do the job
@at devs/cpp please stop this
if you like remote sensor damper fitted on your ships please dont post an reply nobody need this spam
thx
Read:
OH NOES I CAN LOSE. FIX IT CCP.
such a whiny thread.
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Dr Paithos
Minmatar
Republic Deep Space Institute
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Posted - 2007.08.06 11:13:00 -
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Originally by: DMF KingBob
in last time i see in pvp that everybody is using remote sensor damper to get out of range and need no tank and making his pvp easy to win
i using an sensor booster in my pvp ship but this is not god enough against 2 noobs with Remote Sensor Damper they nosed my out an let her drones do the job
@at devs/cpp please stop this
if you like remote sensor damper fitted on your ships please dont post an reply nobody need this spam
thx
Is this thread anything to do with your faction fitted apoc dying to a curse and vagabond?
You do realise you could have escaped by having light drones aggroing the curse, or by mwding to the gate and jumping through, right? You wouldn't have been webbed.
If you didn't have a cap booster or mwd fitted you were vulnerable to pretty much anything. An Eos with a couple tracking disrupters would have ate you for breakfast.
Originally by: RedFall
How dare you try to argue my point with your so called "evidence". I don't need any, I have truthiness on my side.
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Azirapheal
Amarr
Ore Mongers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.08.06 11:15:00 -
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yes im livid, checkout the "pvpers unite" thread in cnp
eve is harsh. go the **** back to world of warcraft, we dont want you here.
i dont even want your stuff.
its that worthless
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for.
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R3dSh1ft
Dark Knights of Deneb
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.08.06 11:16:00 -
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its not that sensor dampers are overpowered for what they are, its that:
1. the stacking vs. sensor boosters / remote sensor boosters is badly computed meaning that there is no effective counter (this why ppl are upset i think)
2. ecm sucks really, realllllly bad.
DKOD - an awesome synchronised killing machine |
MasterDecoy
Gallente
The Grifters
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Posted - 2007.08.06 12:05:00 -
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Edited by: MasterDecoy on 06/08/2007 12:05:21
Originally by: R3dSh1ft
its not that sensor dampers are overpowered for what they are, its that:
1. the stacking vs. sensor boosters / remote sensor boosters is badly computed meaning that there is no effective counter (this why ppl are upset i think)
2. ecm sucks really, realllllly bad.
there's plenty of counters available already. sensor booster is one that, granted, is not exactly the best, but it's a counter still. the RSD already have a stacking penalty. and last but not least, the best counter is to get closer to your target or the person dampening you.
if anything, tracking disruptors and painters should be made better.
the op starting yet another whine/nerf thread because he lost a badly faction fitted bs to a recon and a hac, is the epitome of lameness.
Originally by: Gan Dalf
What's going on? Why is TQ down? Who is "GMT"? What's 'Reality', will it hurt?
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Kieran Jarnush
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Posted - 2007.08.06 13:23:00 -
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Originally by: Methem
2 ships fitted with RSD SHOULD be able to kill a BS with a 1 sensor booster.
just curious, who the **** says that?
it would be better to take sensor strength into computation, like done for ecm or have ship sized modules for frigs, cruiser and battleships, like nos. furthermore those are offensive modules (like ecm) and should therefor be highslot modules.
tis all imo....
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batmoth
Amarr
Empirius Enigmus Navy
Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.08.06 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: DMF KingBob
to jamm good with ECM is an jamm ship (some caldarie) with distortion amplifier needed
but to jamm effectiv with RSDs it needs no amplifier or bonus-ship to jamm effectiv an its works all the time you can fitt it on an curse and it works great
thats the simple difference
Yet you still can lock just have to get closer and takes a little longer. So get t the point of your whine
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Pilk
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.08.06 14:51:00 -
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Originally by: Kieran Jarnush
Originally by: Methem
2 ships fitted with RSD SHOULD be able to kill a BS with a 1 sensor booster.
just curious, who the **** says that?
it would be better to take sensor strength into computation, like done for ecm or have ship sized modules for frigs, cruiser and battleships, like nos. furthermore those are offensive modules (like ecm) and should therefor be highslot modules.
tis all imo....
PLEASE move ECM into high slots.
That way my Scorpion can fit 2 sensor boosters, 6 jammers, three signal distortion amps, a damage control, and a six-slot shield tank.
Hell, that might actually make me start flying the Scorpion again. I'm sure it wouldn't be the least bit overpowered.
--P
Kosh: The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote. |
doctorstupid2
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.08.06 15:12:00 -
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I used damps before they were cool. I rule.
Steel Rat > if they only knew we make this **** up as we go |
Methem
The Hand of Mortis
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Posted - 2007.08.06 22:59:00 -
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Originally by: Kieran Jarnush
Originally by: Methem
2 ships fitted with RSD SHOULD be able to kill a BS with a 1 sensor booster.
just curious, who the **** says that?
it would be better to take sensor strength into computation, like done for ecm or have ship sized modules for frigs, cruiser and battleships, like nos. furthermore those are offensive modules (like ecm) and should therefor be highslot modules.
tis all imo....
1 sensor booster vs 4 to 6 damps
Tell me why you think 1 sensor booster shouldnt overcome this?
Also, moving damps to high slots is an aweful idea.. ecm+damp on 1 ship anyone?
meh dont know why i even replied, hope this thread dies along w/ the rest of these pointless RSD threads..
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aldarrin
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Posted - 2007.08.06 23:50:00 -
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Would it make sense to factor in the sensor strength of the target and / or sensor damping ship? It does seem a little silly for a one size fits all module when all of most of the other modules are somewhat sized based.
Not to get too far off of track, but wasn't there a plan to implement propulsion strength based webbers a while back?
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Grismar
Gallente
The Establishment
Establishment
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Posted - 2007.08.07 20:33:00 -
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The fact that everyone using RSDs feels obligated to go on a crying spree does indicate that something is slightly unbalanced though. Fearing the nerfbat for your favourite toy?
Don't get me wrong though, I love the RSD and use it a lot. I don't think it needs a nerf at all. And you're right. A BS with a single countermeasure -should- be killed by two ships focusing on that one weak point.
But I rather think it is the other way around. ECM got too much of a nerf, leaving RSD as the obvious choice for EW. For the life of me, I can't see anyone picking ECM over RSD with the current stats, except if you have the one trained up and the other not at all.
Problem is, I've no clue how to fix it, though I never really liked the randomness of it. Whenever an aspect of the game goes random, it takes away from the skill of playing it. You don't make the knight in chess land on a random square out of eight if you think it's too powerful either.
Maybe something along the lines of "having to guess the enemy's sensor frequency" would be more balanced. Still sort of random on a 1 vs. 1 situation, but a team of EW specialists could cover a broad range of frequencies. Still, that doesn't really match the existing interface and might require nasty dialogs that get in the way... Like I said, no better solution off the top of my head, but I do agree with the OP that RSD are better than ECM right now, even though that's not really his point :)
Greetings,
Grismar.
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