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OneSock Silentia Mortalis	Posted - 2007.08.07 11:23:00 - [1] So last night we were doing a bit of hacking in a cosmos site which if you've ever been there is a bit mental and somewhat laggy. The unfortunate mistake my corp mate made was to shoot a yellow wreck. Shortly after, concord arrived.... Well what a mistaka to maka ! But I did start to thinking, isn't it a bit harsh for concord to turn up and pwn you just for shooting a wreck ? Surely a criminal flagging of some sort to the wreck owner would be more appropriate ?
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2007.08.07 11:25:00 - [2] What? Is CONCORD supposed to come and fire a couple shots over your bow and say "HEY! Don't do that!" Yeah it sucks, but fact is, that's not your stuff to shoot. _________________ Burn.
The Snowman Gallente Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.08.07 11:25:00 - [3] agreed.. the most this should do is have the same effect as stealing from a wreck.
Mujihi	Posted - 2007.08.07 11:27:00 - [4] yeah it probably would make more sense to be flagged... but it looks like concord works thusly (in high sec, of course): steal other player's stuff - flagged shoot other player's stuff - CONCORDOKEN at least I think so :)
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.08.07 11:30:00 - [5] I would say its too harsh. Maybe make it a flagging for the first wreck you shoot, and then concord arrives if you shoot more of them. --- Originally by: CCP Wrangler You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for.
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2007.08.07 11:31:00 - [6] Originally by: Jim McGregor I would say its too harsh. Maybe make it a flagging for the first wreck you shoot, and then concord arrives if you shoot more of them. Databases and server load know and understand one thing: If playerX is shoot then CONCORDDOKEN end _________________ Burn.
Ruff Ceyx Amarr Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2007.08.07 11:35:00 - [7] So if i shot my neighbors car, seriously is that bad? -------------------------------------------
OneSock Silentia Mortalis	Posted - 2007.08.07 11:43:00 - [8] Originally by: Ruff Ceyx So if i shot my neighbors car, seriously is that bad? No, obviously the Cops should show up and shoot you in the face.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.08.07 11:45:00 - [9] Originally by: OneSock Originally by: Ruff Ceyx So if i shot my neighbors car, seriously is that bad? No, obviously the Cops should show up and shoot you in the face. Its more like shooting his trashcan or something. --- Originally by: CCP Wrangler You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for.
Shevar Minmatar A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.08.07 11:45:00 - [10] I agree remove concord from empire! --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
OneSock Silentia Mortalis	Posted - 2007.08.07 11:48:00 - [11] Edited by: OneSock on 07/08/2007 11:49:18 Originally by: Siigari Kitawa What? Is CONCORD supposed to come and fire a couple shots over your bow and say "HEY! Don't do that!" I like that idea. They should show up and lock you... "Please put down your weapons and come quietly." They should then warp you off to a sin bin for a while, impound your ship and charge a release fee
Rose Tyler	Posted - 2007.08.07 11:49:00 - [12] So he ignored the warning?
OneSock Silentia Mortalis	Posted - 2007.08.07 11:51:00 - [13] Originally by: Rose Tyler So he ignored the warning? He may have turned it off given that a lot of his time is spent in the business in low sec.
RaTTuS BIG	Posted - 2007.08.07 11:51:00 - [14] I lost a couple of rigged A/F that way - doing cosmos missions collecting stuff , shooting stuff, salvaging stuff.... oops concord comes .. pop. Stuff happens ... -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal, InEve & RaTTuS Home
Maglorre	Posted - 2007.08.07 11:55:00 - [15] Originally by: Ruff Ceyx So if i shot my neighbors car, seriously is that bad? Yeah, but it's ok to open it up, take all his stuff out and dump it in a trash can, then steal the wiring harness the engine computers and a few other bits then vaporise the remaining bits. You can also, if you want your neighbor to be able to shoot you, steal the stuff that you put in the trash can. Just don't SHOOT said trash can or the coppers will pwn you.
Thommy	Posted - 2007.08.07 11:58:00 - [16] Probably no need to explain but i will anyway. You will get shot by concord for shooting any wreck or container not belonging to you so you cant on purpose shoot other players stuff they use or need (mission objectives, general goods, special / expensive loot) without consequences to your own. If this wouldn't happen it be very likely that wherever you see other people you wont be able to loot anything (salvage or otherwise) because they would just keep killing the wrecks / cans. This would be very bad for an multitude of reasons. For example you just found yourself a nice dread gurista which you kill and just can lock up its wreck and have time to perform a nscan what it dropped. It dropped an +3 implant, several dread gurista mods etc worth 1 bil total. Someone saw you getting it and knows he cant get to it first and decides to shoot it because he / she cant get it. End result you would be mayorly ****ed, and cannot do anything against this player because he is in an new player corp. If this happened to often you would find yourself clicking the "cancel account" pretty quick because you could effectively do very little otherwise ingame. Guide to fix eve problems. Patch day recommendations
d026 THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.08.07 11:59:00 - [17] concord is so mean. lets remove em completely!
Vincenzo Delloro Amarr Lux et Veritas	Posted - 2007.08.07 12:13:00 - [18] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: OneSock Originally by: Ruff Ceyx So if i shot my neighbors car, seriously is that bad? No, obviously the Cops should show up and shoot you in the face. Its more like shooting his trashcan or something. You know of any trashcans I can rummage through to find stuff worth a couple of million? Because all the ones I look at only have half eaten cheeseburgers and broken toothbrushes. ...not that I look in trashcans or anything.
Twilight Moon Minmatar Malicious Intentions Cult of War	Posted - 2007.08.07 12:29:00 - [19] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa What? Is CONCORD supposed to come and fire a couple shots over your bow and say "HEY! Don't do that!" Yeah it sucks, but fact is, that's not your stuff to shoot. I thought you quit?
Callthetruth Caldari Drunken Ratbags Inc New Eve Order	Posted - 2007.08.07 12:33:00 - [20] much violence his boat ?
OneSock Silentia Mortalis	Posted - 2007.08.07 12:55:00 - [21] Originally by: Thommy Probably no need to explain but i will anyway. You will get shot by concord for shooting any wreck or container not belonging to you so you cant on purpose shoot other players stuff they use or need (mission objectives, general goods, special / expensive loot) without consequences to your own. Well I suppose there is some validity in there. Although it wouldn't be my solution. I'd rather for example, make mission objectives indestructable (many many hit points) which would solve that problem. Plus if someone wants to steal my mission objective, they can do it and no concord response. Not really fair either, yet no concord response to that. Originally by: Thommy If this wouldn't happen it be very likely that wherever you see other people you wont be able to loot anything (salvage or otherwise) because they would just keep killing the wrecks / cans. This would be very bad for an multitude of reasons. For example you just found yourself a nice dread gurista which you kill and just can lock up its wreck and have time to perform a nscan what it dropped. It dropped an +3 implant, several dread gurista mods etc worth 1 bil total. Someone saw you getting it and knows he cant get to it first and decides to shoot it because he / she cant get it. OK well, firstly I would expect a DG spawn to occur mostly in 0.0 so no concord anyway. Secondly, I understand where your coming from but the point I am making in this thread is the huge disparity in "punnishment" between stealing from a wreck and shooting a wreck.
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.08.07 13:00:00 - [22] If concord did not blow people up who shot cans/wrecks, you would get sniper battleships uncloak, align and do driveby's on miner's cans then instawarp out for a giggle, and people probing out mission runners and blowing up their cans for a laugh. In either of these cases, there is no risk to the attacker. -- Billion Isk Mission
Fifth Horseman	Posted - 2007.08.07 14:08:00 - [23] Edited by: Fifth Horseman on 07/08/2007 14:08:22 So, firing lethal weapons in random directions in public places shouldn't get you concorded? Makes sense to me. I'll speak to my NRA buddies and we'll get the ball rolling.
Riley Craven Caldari Copacetic Corporation	Posted - 2007.08.07 14:24:00 - [24] Originally by: Lord WarATron In either of these cases, there is no risk to the attacker. Yes because we all know how often griefers and ore thieves take risks...
OneSock Silentia Mortalis	Posted - 2007.08.07 14:48:00 - [25] Originally by: Lord WarATron If concord did not blow people up who shot cans/wrecks, you would get sniper battleships uncloak, align and do driveby's on miner's cans then instawarp out for a giggle, and people probing out mission runners and blowing up their cans for a laugh. In either of these cases, there is no risk to the attacker. Nothing stopping me zipping up to the miner's/mission runner's can and flipping it... by the time he's locked me I'm long gone and no risk to myself. Hell I could even flip the can and then pop my own can ! Anyway Can != Wreck so the mechanics could be different.
Akiman Gallente Omega Enterprises Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.08.07 15:32:00 - [26] well then everybody could blow up your can just for fun and warp away. i think concord shouldnt shoot...just ecm web and scramble criminals ship for 15 mins then u can come in ur frigate and umm have fun :D
Sazkyen	Posted - 2007.08.07 15:58:00 - [27] Edited by: Sazkyen on 07/08/2007 15:58:41 If they removed CONCORD shooting you for destroying wrecks people would use it to end in order to grief mission runners.
Ekscalybur	Posted - 2007.08.07 16:32:00 - [28] This doesn't really make sense. He can steal the contents of the wreck (the salvage bits) no problem. And when he does so, a can materializes containing the stuff the wreck used to hold. Why doesn't a can just materialize when the wreck is destoyed? In either scenario, he's made the wreck disappear. The fact that he's not punished or flagged in the scenario that benefits him directly is a bit weird. Either way, the owner of the wreck is out of the salvage bits. CCP should changed it so that when wrecks are either salvaged or destroyed, a can materializes containing the items the wreck used to hold.
Dreeper	Posted - 2007.08.07 16:44:00 - [29] Coolest solution mentioned "Why doesn't a can just materialize when the wreck is destoyed?" Combined with (when the can is being shot at) "i think concord shouldnt shoot...just ecm web and scramble criminals ship for 15 mins" That would actually rock :) ____________________ Dont feed the trolls
BATMorpheous Caldari BAT Empire	Posted - 2007.08.07 16:49:00 - [30] Originally by: Akiman well then everybody could blow up your can just for fun and warp away. i think concord shouldnt shoot...just ecm web and scramble criminals ship for 15 mins then u can come in ur frigate and umm have fun :D i like that idea :D
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2007.08.07 17:01:00 - [31] Originally by: Shevar I agree remove concord from empire! Win. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
KISOGOKU	Posted - 2007.08.07 17:06:00 - [32] You have to be 1500m around of can to steal(and you cant tractor) ,but you can shoot from 250km.A change something like this will used just griefing i think Originally by: Ekscalybur This doesn't really make sense. He can steal the contents of the wreck (the salvage bits) no problem. And when he does so, a can materializes containing the stuff the wreck used to hold. Why doesn't a can just materialize when the wreck is destoyed? .
Barbarellas Daughter Lonely Barbarella	Posted - 2007.08.07 17:10:00 - [33] i lost 4 kestrel to this while i tried to salvage in hisec 1. target wreck 2. click rocket instead of salvager 3. ??? 4. profit! (insurance) ____________________________________________ Originally by: Marduk Felzhen You have an amazing cleavage, except you have no arms :(
SexxxSlave	Posted - 2007.08.07 17:42:00 - [34] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa What? Is CONCORD supposed to come and fire a couple shots over your bow and say "HEY! Don't do that!" Yeah it sucks, but fact is, that's not your stuff to shoot. and neither is stuff in a cargo can thats not yours. Take cargo thats not yours = aggression countdown...shoot cargo thats not yours = CONCORDOKKEN...why? I think that deserves a fair explanation
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.08.07 17:43:00 - [35] uh, because one involves shooting? dur Real men fly Pink. I've been living in your cassette, It's the modern equivalent, singing up to a Capulet, on a balcony in
Wigglytuff Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.08.07 17:44:00 - [36] Originally by: OneSock So last night we were doing a bit of hacking in a cosmos site which if you've ever been there is a bit mental and somewhat laggy. The unfortunate mistake my corp mate made was to shoot a yellow wreck. Shortly after, concord arrived.... Well what a mistaka to maka ! But I did start to thinking, isn't it a bit harsh for concord to turn up and pwn you just for shooting a wreck ? Surely a criminal flagging of some sort to the wreck owner would be more appropriate ? I promise you that you'll change your tune the first time someone pops your wreck/can full of loot in highsec. Belt piracy isnt what it used to be.
FarScape III Journey On Squad	Posted - 2007.08.07 17:45:00 - [37] IMO and from what I have seen, comcord blows up more ships for no good reason then anyone else. *** A Minmater City... Cool!
Wigglytuff Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.08.07 17:48:00 - [38] Originally by: Sazkyen Edited by: Sazkyen on 07/08/2007 15:58:41 If they removed CONCORD shooting you for destroying wrecks people would use it to end in order to ransom mission runners. Fixed, because that's exactly what I'd do. go in, lock their objective item and tell them X mil or it gets popped. Ransom the player without ever locking their ship! Ransom lvl 4 faction fit BSes in a frig. Belt piracy isnt what it used to be.
FarScape III Journey On Squad	Posted - 2007.08.07 17:58:00 - [39] Originally by: Wigglytuff Originally by: Sazkyen Edited by: Sazkyen on 07/08/2007 15:58:41 If they removed CONCORD shooting you for destroying wrecks people would use it to end in order to ransom mission runners. Fixed, because that's exactly what I'd do. go in, lock their objective item and tell them X mil or it gets popped. Ransom the player without ever locking their ship! Ransom lvl 4 faction fit BSes in a frig. Can't you just steel their objective item too? And already? *** A Minmater City... Cool!
Pisi Mopsu	Posted - 2007.08.07 22:49:00 - [40] I have a problem with Concord blowing up my gang members when they shoot my wrecks. If they can salvage and loot a wreck of mine when we're ganged then why the heck shouldn't they be able to blow it up!?!
Varheg Xan The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.08.07 22:52:00 - [41] I agree, it sucks when gang members get popped for shooting wrecks. I mean, it can happen by accident, and did to a guy I was running a mission with once. Newbish to shoot a wreck, yes, but also a bit harsh.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar Sicarri Covenant	Posted - 2007.08.07 23:25:00 - [42] Let us shoot jetcans too! and make salvaging someone else's kill give them killrights... then the balance of Eve shall be restored Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking ~Liz Kali
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.08.07 23:47:00 - [43] Edited by: Dred''Pirate Jesus on 07/08/2007 23:52:03 Originally by: FarScape III Originally by: Wigglytuff Originally by: Sazkyen Edited by: Sazkyen on 07/08/2007 15:58:41 If they removed CONCORD shooting you for destroying wrecks people would use it to end in order to ransom mission runners. Fixed, because that's exactly what I'd do. go in, lock their objective item and tell them X mil or it gets popped. Ransom the player without ever locking their ship! Ransom lvl 4 faction fit BSes in a frig. Can't you just steel their objective item too? And already? Sure you can and as soon as your flashy red they get to pop your little frig like a rotten grape.. Unless of course they were too dumb to not lock you up on your run to the objective can and you warp after taking fom it.. And as far as getting popped by accidentaly shooting your gang mates can I think if you set your personal standings to +10 for your mates then it should allow them to do whatever they want and the same if they set your standings to +10.. Since it would be a personal choice to set standings that high there should be no problems with people griefing that setup.. Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
cal nereus Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.08 00:08:00 - [44] I agree. Remove guns. --- Grismar.net
Emperor D'Hoffryn No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.08.08 00:10:00 - [45] on the surface it does not seem to make sense....but as has been said already, it stops all sorts of nasty griefing scenarios where there is zero risk to the griefer. Right now, you have to fly up to the can, and physically take the stuff. During this time, if the can owner is nearby, he can see what you are doing, and either get the stuff before you, or pop you once you grab stuff. Having you locked already before you get to the can is trivial. At least there is SOME risk currently...popping the can/wreck/mission objective from 200+km while aligned is NOT risk. Also, popping a wreck should not make a can drop.....popping wrecks in 0.0 to prevent the enemy from getting phat lewts is a valid and cherished tactic.....sometimes you cant get the stuff yourself, and you want to deny them the stuff as well. Originally by: Snuggly It's just so great to have an actual reason to not die, incentive is fantastic!
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2007.08.08 00:46:00 - [46] It should lead to a flagging, Concord need to butt out. Also Known As
Ugor Batarr Minmatar Jelly Baby Corporation	Posted - 2007.08.08 02:32:00 - [47] Originally by: OneSock Originally by: Rose Tyler So he ignored the warning? He may have turned it off given that a lot of his time is spent in the business in low sec. No need to discuss the matter at all - you even get a warning before you can shoot a wreck/can. If you turn it off it's your own risk (and fault). IMO anybody being that dumb should be podded by CONCORD as well ______________________________________________
Dodiez Gallente ScaryScaryNoobs	Posted - 2007.08.08 02:39:00 - [48] Originally by: OneSock So last night we were doing a bit of hacking in a cosmos site which if you've ever been there is a bit mental and somewhat laggy. The unfortunate mistake my corp mate made was to shoot a yellow wreck. Shortly after, concord arrived.... Well what a mistaka to maka ! But I did start to thinking, isn't it a bit harsh for concord to turn up and pwn you just for shooting a wreck ? Surely a criminal flagging of some sort to the wreck owner would be more appropriate ? You can't even shoot a gang-mates wreck on accident...trust me.
cal nereus Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.08 02:44:00 - [49] Actually, that warning gets really annoying in combat. One of these days I should turn it off... --- Grismar.net

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