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Kyusoath Orillian
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2007.08.09 00:59:00 -
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no. god no. no dots, dots are a balancing nightmare and the origin of many a whine. if there was a module or ship that acted like warlocks from wow, if it was worthless it would be buffed until it was a standard module/ship , then it would be whined about until it was nerfed.
exactly what happened in wow, no one played 'locks until they got buffed then they are considered godly , then counters were put in place to make it useless(stun locks,CloS,Warriors melee damage,nerf after nerf) what happened is the whiners won and yet still whine.
so no dots ever please.
if you go to the wow forums take some cheese.
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Pychian Vanervi
Eternity INC.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.08.09 11:16:00 -
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Easy one to impliment....... Just have some way of getting out your pod with a bag of sugar(maybe a sack for bigger ships) float over to the enemy ship and deposite in the fuel tank..... DoT until it really screws your engine.
Can imagine the game going down hill after this has been implimented due to the influx of digruntled Wives/GF and lovers using it to sabotage partners ships.... Or even as a training ground for the cheated.. Can see it now
'Learn how to f**k up your cheating partners car.. Come practice on Eve!!'
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Jacob Holland
Gallente
19th Star Logistics
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Posted - 2007.08.09 12:19:00 -
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Drones are as close as EVE gets to a DOT weapon.
They share some of the characteristics in that if you jam the person attacking with drones you do not interfere with the drones themselves & they will (or occasionally some will) continue to deal damage even after the person who sent them out is dead.
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Respect to IAC .Your one of the few people who truly deserve to own and live in the space you are in.
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welsh wizard
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.08.09 12:37:00 -
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Fighters kinda do that if you let them roam.
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Jack Molotov
Gallente
Knights Of The New Order
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Posted - 2007.08.09 12:45:00 -
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Edited by: Jack Molotov on 09/08/2007 12:48:11
I think DoT is far out of place in Eve.
The mechanics of combat are MUCH diffrent.(then the earth based-fanatasy games). I played a 'lock in WoW, and once you get fear, you become the cheapest mofo in the game.
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Rialtor
Amarr
TANDBERG Initiative
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Posted - 2007.08.09 13:48:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Molotov
Edited by: Jack Molotov on 09/08/2007 12:48:11
I think DoT is far out of place in Eve.
The mechanics of combat are MUCH diffrent.(then the earth based-fanatasy games). I played a 'lock in WoW, and once you get fear, you become the cheapest mofo in the game.
You guys focus way too much on WoW, there's plenty of reasons I can come up with to justify DoT dmg. I don't know why you associate DoT with a magical context automatically.
It makes perfect sense in a game with ships. If you shoot at ships you usually do dmg, fire etc. Damages to ship usually propagate themselves, that can be DoT.
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Erim Solfara
Amarr
House of Solfara
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Posted - 2007.08.09 14:36:00 -
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Originally by: TII Noob
Originally by: Rialtor
Is there any DoT dmg in this game? I can't think of any off the top of my head, and if not, you think they should introduce it?
For those that don't know what DoT is, it's dmg over time.
DoT is a carebear/WOW word, in eve its called DPS.
Eve;
DPS: damage pumped out whilst everything's running
DoT: damage taking into account reloading times etc
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Rafein
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Posted - 2007.08.09 16:16:00 -
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Honestly, the only think I would like to see get a DoT is Bombs, so they would have a bit of staying power, to offset their high cost. Course, that would be more difficult to balance, as it would be an AoE DoT, but honestly, I don;t see bombs, in their current incarnation, really being worth the cost of using them.
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Rialtor
Amarr
TANDBERG Initiative
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Posted - 2007.08.09 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: Rafein
Honestly, the only think I would like to see get a DoT is Bombs, so they would have a bit of staying power, to offset their high cost. Course, that would be more difficult to balance, as it would be an AoE DoT, but honestly, I don;t see bombs, in their current incarnation, really being worth the cost of using them.
That was the kind of potential opportunities that arise in the design space when you bring DoT to the party. You can't have a High dmg instant dealing weapon for X amount, because that would create imbalance. Can't make a weapon do 10,000 dmg instantly, but you could make a weapon hit for 10,000 over time.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.08.09 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Rialtor
You guys focus way too much on WoW,
YEah, if we wanted to compare DoT to wow, why not compare other aspects aswell.
Drones=pets.
NOS/Neuts=Life drain/mana drain.
Plates/hardeners=armor/resistance buffs.
Remote reps=healers.
Jammers=stun.
And. So. Forth.
So saying "damage over time is such wow thing! waliwaawaa!", is rather silly 
So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have. |
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Selia Rain
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Posted - 2007.08.09 18:32:00 -
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I want heavy missiles with the POISON attribute.
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Borasao
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Posted - 2007.08.09 19:06:00 -
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People like DoTs for the same reason they like to play Hunters or camp/snipe in FPS... the ability to do damage to the enemy while being out of range to receive damage back and/or to solopwn without being in a lot of danger themselves. See also: DomiNOS, Curse, Pilgrim, Vagabond, Crow, etc. 
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Erim Solfara
Amarr
House of Solfara
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Posted - 2007.08.10 08:55:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Originally by: Rialtor
You guys focus way too much on WoW,
YEah, if we wanted to compare DoT to wow, why not compare other aspects aswell.
Drones=pets.
NOS/Neuts=Life drain/mana drain.
Plates/hardeners=armor/resistance buffs.
Remote reps=healers.
Jammers=stun.
And. So. Forth.
So saying "damage over time is such wow thing! waliwaawaa!", is rather silly
Desync=fear?
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.08.10 10:35:00 -
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Originally by: Erim Solfara
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Originally by: Rialtor
You guys focus way too much on WoW,
YEah, if we wanted to compare DoT to wow, why not compare other aspects aswell.
Drones=pets.
NOS/Neuts=Life drain/mana drain.
Plates/hardeners=armor/resistance buffs.
Remote reps=healers.
Jammers=stun.
And. So. Forth.
So saying "damage over time is such wow thing! waliwaawaa!", is rather silly
Desync=fear?
Actually was gonna say "Flying an amarr ship and encountering anyone = insta self fear"
So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have. |
Fager
Thunderstruck.
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Posted - 2007.08.10 13:30:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Actually was gonna say "Flying an amarr ship and encountering anyone = insta self fear"
Playing caldari = SelfSlow, Frozen?
"I can predict the movement of stars, but not the madness of men"
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Cudeiro
Amarr
Princeps Corp
YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.08.10 14:39:00 -
[46]
anyone remember the plasma and chemical ammo of E&B? OMG i miss that game..
It's great being Amarr, aint it?
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Atsuko Ratu
Caldari
VSP Corp.
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Posted - 2007.08.10 20:18:00 -
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Missles are DoTs cause they don't instantly hit you
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
Zzz
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Posted - 2007.08.10 22:22:00 -
[48]
The only things even remotely resembling DoT that I can think of were mines, and they were removed years ago because of the complications they caused.
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SasRipper
DIE WITH HONOUR
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Posted - 2007.08.10 23:49:00 -
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Originally by: LeviUK
if we're talking WoW comparisons, drones are probably more akin to wow pets although pets
And just like wow pets most suck you only ever see the same types 
& they dont do what there told !
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Valixithor
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.08.11 10:16:00 -
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DOT does not originate from WoW as someone has already stated. You guys really need to get off the WoW bandwagon. I personally can't stand the game, but I have a reasonably broader mind than some of what's been written.
DPS usually equates to how much damage you can do while you have your target locked and are constantly using basic attacks.
DOT usually equates to a form of damage that once applied to your target will continue to deal damage until either the 'damage dealer' runs out of time, or gets destroyed/fixed.
Again, drones are the closest equivalent to DOT EVE has. The possible suggestions for further DOT are good ones, albeit without a broader spectrum, I think the work involved in implementing such ideas would reap too little reward.
The only other things I can think of for DOT are,
Attacking a certain 'vulnerable' spot on ship (Should be harder to target and hard to get a hit) = Maybe cause an internal explosion that keeps damaging for a few seconds until either
A - The 'fire/explosion' put's itself out or
B - The pilot initiates some sort of action (i.e turn off all weapons), which stops the 'fire/explosion'
Nanobots - Already been mentioned - Probably countered with EMP
Radioactive weapons - Obviously cause a little radioactive damage over time - can't be bothered to think of a way to counter.
Ok I'm bored of thinking now. Just don't mention WOW.
Originally by: Yoravian
If by 'you guys are pretty nasty' you mean 'you guys are sure good at explaining game mechanics to guys like me', then yes. Yes we are.
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Goonie Alt
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Posted - 2007.08.11 10:24:00 -
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Before you ask for a new feature, ask yourself, does it have a reason to exist? The answer here is no.
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