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Elmicker
The Phoenix Rising
FreeFall Securities
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Posted - 2007.08.13 23:44:00 -
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 Originally by: Regaul Kinath
u dont know how to counter it
Alright then, tell us how, oh great spelling and grammar master. 
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JeanPierre
Gallente
Gun Metal Priests
The Makhai
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Posted - 2007.08.13 23:45:00 -
[182]
Originally by: Elmicker
Originally by: JeanPierre
You just stated above that they did, that's why they're a threat.
No i didn't  . Complacency around AFK cloakers is the threat, and you seem to not realise this.
Wrong. I state, that you need to keep up an active presence and teamwork at all times. That means, get this, that I do understand it and realize that every waking moment in 0.0 is a threat. I can undock into an empty system and 1 minute later be swarmed with hostiles. It's how life is out here. No guarantees (nor have you shown me where there are guarantees).
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For the safety of all involved in the system, you must always assume and plan around the worst case scenario - that he is in a fully equipped combat ship (chances are, he is, recons are common as much most of the time),
He's not fully equipped, he has a gimped hi slot allocation. Other than that, he's one against many, so even if he were in the God-mobile, big whoop. I think it's grand that you don't feel safe in 0.0. Nobody should.
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and that you must form up a defense gang to combat him. You agree with me thus far - you're always on about working as a team and crap like that.
Ah; the idea of working as a team is "crap" to you. I see.
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However, for some reason, you think it is acceptable for some people to carry on ratting and mining with a hostile in system while others are in a defense gang.
You've never spent much time in 0.1-0.4 have you? That's what you do out there. It's what folks normally do in 0.0, unless they like to be fried and salvaged.
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This is nothing less than freeloading, and will spell death for the alliance through nonparticipation and bad blood between those who do turn up for defense gangs, and those who don't.
Pay your defense teams (which would be, what, 1 or 2 guy if the threat is one cloaked player) from your mining/ratting ops and reimburse PVP losses. You don't do this already?
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Though, of course, being ex-ASCN, you'd know all about that.
Yeah, I do. Left them long before they imploded under the ego of their narcissistic leader and his Must Have At All Cost ship, but that was a great try at some kind of lame ad hominem. Does this indicate that you're running out of reasons to keep this stuff up? Seems so.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.08.13 23:46:00 -
[183]
Originally by: Elmicker
Originally by: Regaul Kinath
u dont know how to counter it
Alright then, tell us how, oh great spelling and grammar master.
it has already been said like 100 times
read this thread or any other anti cloaking thread with over 2 pages
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JeanPierre
Gallente
Gun Metal Priests
The Makhai
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Posted - 2007.08.13 23:48:00 -
[184]
Originally by: SiJira
Originally by: Elmicker
Originally by: Regaul Kinath
u dont know how to counter it
Alright then, tell us how, oh great spelling and grammar master.
it has already been said like 100 times
read this thread or any other anti cloaking thread with over 2 pages
This guy and the other whining "nerf cloak" folks are starting to wear thin. Hopefully CCP sees that they are well countered here and elsewhere.
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Elmicker
The Phoenix Rising
FreeFall Securities
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Posted - 2007.08.13 23:49:00 -
[185]
Edited by: Elmicker on 13/08/2007 23:50:31
Originally by: JeanPierre
(nor have you shown me where there are guarantees).
Having trusted eyes in several systems around is guarantee enough for me
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He's not fully equipped, he has a gimped hi slot
Pilgrim vs. solo BS. Most entertaining to watch.
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You've never spent much time in 0.1-0.4 have you?
Yes, but i don't see what that's got to do with anything? Nullsec and lowsec are different universes. Different combat styles entirely.
You had some suggestion about paying people or something here, so ludicrous i couldn't be bothered to undo deleting it after i highlighted a bit too much.
Originally by: SiJira
it has already been said like 100 times
Assume i only learned to read about 15 minutes ago. Enlighten me as to how you find and kill a hostile sitting multiple AU from any celestial object who cannot be scanned or probed.
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Regaul Kinath
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Posted - 2007.08.13 23:52:00 -
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Just think whats gona happen when u are able to scan cloaking ships, next thing people will use the alts to fly around the system all the time then log the sniper on go kill u and after agro timer is off he logs off again and will keep on coming like this, like alot of people do already. What u gona ask after that? Nerf accounts? Sorz about my spelling im not english...
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Elmicker
The Phoenix Rising
FreeFall Securities
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Posted - 2007.08.13 23:55:00 -
[187]
Originally by: Regaul Kinath
Just think whats gona happen when u are able to scan cloaking ships,
My suggestion was that they're probable, but not scannable. A compromise that allows recons and cov. opses to continue to operate unhindered, assuming their pilot isn't AFK, but also takes care of the cloaking ratting BS problem many people have.
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JeanPierre
Gallente
Gun Metal Priests
The Makhai
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Posted - 2007.08.13 23:58:00 -
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Edited by: JeanPierre on 13/08/2007 23:59:11
Originally by: Elmicker
Edited by: Elmicker on 13/08/2007 23:50:31
Originally by: JeanPierre
(nor have you shown me where there are guarantees).
Having trusted eyes in several systems around is guarantee enough for me
Then you assume something that is never implied. This is the crux of the issue. Your assumptions are being challenged and you're afraid.
Welcome to full PVP.
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He's not fully equipped, he has a gimped hi slot
Pilgrim vs. solo BS. Most entertaining to watch.
You've only one person in your system then? Great. It deserves to go down.
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You've never spent much time in 0.1-0.4 have you?
Yes, but i don't see what that's got to do with anything?
That's why you're afraid of an "afk" cloaked presence then. You assume a Safe 0.0 Playing Experience and are mad that you're not getting what you expect.
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You had some suggestion about paying people or something here, so ludicrous i couldn't be bothered to undo deleting it after i highlighted a bit too much.
Yeah you should never cut in the guys who guard the system while you hold a mining op. What was I thinking? That is ludicrous! Totally!
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Assume i only learned to read about 15 minutes ago.
This would be way too easy...so I'll defer the comment.
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Enlighten me as to how you find and kill a hostile sitting multiple AU from any celestial object who cannot be scanned or probed.
I don't. That's you trying to make my framework into your framework. My view is, you can't be certain where he's at, which is why he's using something labeled "covert" to keep it such that you don't know. Deal with it. Be prepared to defend yourselves at all times should he uncloak and stop whining.
I'm fairly certain that you've run out or are about to run out of any actual arguments at this point, your posts are borderline hinting at an oncoming inslaught of insults. Hope I'm wrong. In any event, my posts, combined with your answers that utilize the word "crap" and "ludicrous", tend to make my case.
Hope EVE gets better for you. Good hunting.
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Regaul Kinath
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Posted - 2007.08.14 00:06:00 -
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Dont matter how much u cry, ccp might fix but people with brains will just find more creative ways to kill u, dont like it? Go play flower pickin WoW people never have to cry in the fairy game...
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Elmicker
The Phoenix Rising
FreeFall Securities
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Posted - 2007.08.14 00:13:00 -
[190]
Edited by: Elmicker on 14/08/2007 00:14:27
Originally by: JeanPierre
You've only one person in your system then? Great. It deserves to go down.
A pilgrim could easily, with the aid of rats, kill a hostile BS and be re-cloaked and safe before any help arrives. The same goes for any number of ships.
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You assume a Safe 0.0 Playing Experience and are mad that you're not getting what you expect.
Wait, wait, because i'm assuming that the neutral i see in local is automatically dangerous, i'm assuming a safe experience? 
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Yeah you should never cut in the guys who guard the system while you hold a mining op. What was I thinking? That is ludicrous! Totally!
There wouldn't be a mining op with an AFK cloaker in system, so the point of payment is moot. The situation is most commonly solo ratting and mining, where paying someone to defend you justy isn't going to happen.
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Be prepared to defend yourselves at all times
Do you have any idea how boring that is? I play this game for enjoyment, not to sit around for 23 hours a day on the off chance he might uncloak. I'd rather just assume he's dangerous and leave the system. Unfortunately, he's just as able to move systems as i am, and he attains his objectives just by being in local, to attain my objectives, i have to put myself at great risk by aggressing rats or sitting still in a belt, this is a large imbalance. Anyone else out to disrupt ratting and mining is at great risk just by being in a hostile system - AFK cloakers are 100% invincible, 100% of the time.
Anyway, do you have any arguments as to why AFK cloakers shouldn't be probable? All you've done so far is argued over their effects.
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JeanPierre
Gallente
Gun Metal Priests
The Makhai
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Posted - 2007.08.14 00:16:00 -
[191]
No, seriously, I was saying "good hunting" as in "good bye". Your concerns have been noted and logged. Thanks for taking the time to register them. We value your input.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.08.14 00:51:00 -
[192]
oh no defense is boring! nerf cloaks
/sarcasm
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.14 00:53:00 -
[193]
nerf sijira! he is far too agreeable lately 
Why there should be a breathalyzer to login to Eve-Forums:
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Smacking my own alt in a nerf-thread while drunk, he was irritating a Hauler full of tech II n00bs, Oops.
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Curzon Dax
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.08.14 00:58:00 -
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You know, I thought Eve was a sandbox, and you could pretty much do anything you wanted to. Among those things you can do:
1. Sit afk in a system for 23 hours a day, cloaked. If you derive pleasure from doing so...so be it. If you're willing to pay an extra subscription fee just to have an alt sitting in a system somewhere to put other people off their guard...good for you. Thanks for supporting Eve. :)
2. Complain about other people and how they influence your gaming style. Adapting seems to be an unpopular thing to do these days. If you're uncomfortable being in the same system as another person...leave. If your answer is, "But I own this system, they should have to leave." Well, remember this is a sandbox.
If you're having trouble with an afk cloaker...remember that they are afk; their presence shouldn't affect your daily activities. If it turns out that they uncloak periodically to wreak havoc on lone ratters or such...that kind of information should be collected, collaborated, and acted upon so that you can plot their times of activity and work to counteract them.
If, at the end of the day, you are so fearful of the possibility of losing your ship that you are reduced to a quavering pile of terror-stricken goo by the idea of an afk cloaker in your system, you should return to Empire space where such things don't matter.
*shrugs* Play the game the way you want to, and respect other peoples' ability to do the same.
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Deadly Anne
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Posted - 2007.08.14 01:08:00 -
[195]
I like curzon!!!
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.08.14 01:09:00 -
[196]
Originally by: Tortun Nahme
nerf SiJira! she is far too agreeable lately
fixed
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Susan Morlok
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Posted - 2007.08.14 01:09:00 -
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No nerfing on the cloaks please u already nerfed everything in the game, the nos the dampeners the jammers the drones the carriers the nanos the overdrives the guns the missiles... u want to nerf the entire game? Jezzz
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Rockbreaker Ann
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Posted - 2007.08.14 01:10:00 -
[198]
Nerf my mother next!! 
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Jaabaa
Minmatar
Dental Drilling Corporation
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Posted - 2007.08.14 01:11:00 -
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OK, so someone is AFK in a cloaked ship, what can he do ?
Report ship movements ? He's AFK ...
Kill stuff ? He's AFK ...
Organize an attack ? He's AFK ...
Come back after being AFK and attack something ? Guess what, that means he isn't AFK any more ...
What a stupid topic.
No one that is AFK in EvE can do anything, regardless if they are cloaked or not. They can just as easily log off and come back a few hours later and have the same effect.
The only difference being, you have a bit of psychological pressure, because you don't know if the cloaker is AFK or not.
Your time would be much better employed asking for a list of characters logged off in space, because then you might be able to stop your gang from springing a logon trap.
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.14 01:26:00 -
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wait, SiJira really IS a she?
Why there should be a breathalyzer to login to Eve-Forums:
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Smacking my own alt in a nerf-thread while drunk, he was irritating a Hauler full of tech II n00bs, Oops.
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Elmicker
The Phoenix Rising
FreeFall Securities
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Posted - 2007.08.14 01:28:00 -
[201]
Originally by: Curzon Dax
remember that they are afk
Except you don't know this.
Let me ask you all this:
Would you rat/mine with a hostile pilot in local?
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.08.14 01:28:00 -
[202]
Originally by: Elmicker
Originally by: Regaul Kinath
u dont know how to counter it
Alright then, tell us how, oh great spelling and grammar master.
Ahhh....the ultimate arguement. When all else fails bring on the internet grammar police  .
Again...based on your AWESOME combat record (and folks...feel free to Google it) of killing an Incursus and a Velator...with an Arazu...a CLOAKED recon mind you...and your 20 other blob kills; well, one has to wonder what your corp and alliance mates think of you blasting those dangerous 0.0 rats while alt mining for your pocket while they attempt to protect you .
And you keep pointing at others and stating "ooo...you must not know about 0.0 blah blah" as your second arguement. This is rather odd given your remarkable and obvious lack of participation in defending "your" space.
I am laughing even more now. And your enemies are no doubt enjoying watching you squirm KNOWING that you are running scared  .
Advice? Quit while you remain behind  .
"Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way"
General George Patton USA
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Elmicker
The Phoenix Rising
FreeFall Securities
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Posted - 2007.08.14 01:31:00 -
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Edited by: Elmicker on 14/08/2007 01:32:36
Originally by: RuleoftheBone
stuff
And? I've already admitted in this thread i haven't been a regular resident of conquerable 0.0 in several months. I've also admitted in other threads that i myself have used the AFK cloaking tactic. Just because i don't score 30+ solo kills a day doesn't mean i'm any less qualified to talk about the subject. I have no stake in the outcome of the debate, but i have extensive experience of the situation (living 5 jumps from a hostile outpost for 4 months does this for you). If anything, that puts me in an excellent position to talk about this.
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.08.14 01:55:00 -
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Originally by: Elmicker
Further rubbish
Its not about the kills. Its about your fear and lack of any effort beyond starting and posting in useless threads crying for game adjustments that affect EVERYONE to suit YOU.
If you have no stake...why do you care?
"Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way"
General George Patton USA
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Pheonix Kanan
Caldari
Murder-Death-Kill
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.08.14 01:57:00 -
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Originally by: Curzon Dax
*shrugs* Play the game the way you want to, and respect other peoples' ability to do the same.
Wow.... so good I'm at a loss for words. I'm actually gonna put that in my comment. It's so simple, yet perfect.
Originally by: Curzon Dax
*shrugs* Play the game the way you want to, and respect other peoples' ability to do the same.
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Elmicker
The Phoenix Rising
FreeFall Securities
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Posted - 2007.08.14 02:02:00 -
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Edited by: Elmicker on 14/08/2007 02:03:41
Originally by: RuleoftheBone
Its not about the kills. Its about your fear and lack of any effort beyond starting and posting
I haven't started any threads on the subject, i post in them, since that's the point of the forum. Again i'd like to ask what effort you suggest i put in against cloakers? You know, since they're cloaked and literally impossible to find...
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in useless threads crying for game adjustments that affect EVERYONE to suit YOU.
You've already pointed out that I'm an Arazu pilot and that i don't live in conquered 0.0, so how is this the case? If anything, my proposed change of making cloakers probable hinders me to suit others. I haven't cried, i've attempted to stay civil throughout, and the only one who has cried and resorted to personal insults and shouting is you (except maybe for my ASCN comment, but the guy agreed with me on that one )
Also, my proposed change does not affect everyone. It affects those who are AFK and cloaked, as it would be ridiculously easy to avoid being probed while cloaked.
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If you have no stake...why do you care?
Because i feel the ability to go AFK and be 100% invincible is overpowered and needs changing to make 0.0 a more competative and fun environment.
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Superbus Maximus
Gallente
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.08.14 02:24:00 -
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I think ccp should just nerf everything that is useful for small gang warfare it makes the game more fun right?
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Elmicker
The Phoenix Rising
FreeFall Securities
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Posted - 2007.08.14 02:30:00 -
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Originally by: Superbus Maximus
I think ccp should just nerf everything that is useful for small gang warfare it makes the game more fun right?
What has small gang warfare got to do with AFK cloaking?
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Superbus Maximus
Gallente
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.08.14 02:33:00 -
[209]
Originally by: Elmicker
Originally by: Superbus Maximus
I think ccp should just nerf everything that is useful for small gang warfare it makes the game more fun right?
What has small gang warfare got to do with AFK cloaking?
Quite a bit actually, considering most people use use the tactic because they are heavily outnumbered and it gives them the ability to pick and choose their fights.
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Elmicker
The Phoenix Rising
FreeFall Securities
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Posted - 2007.08.14 02:39:00 -
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Originally by: Superbus Maximus
Quite a bit actually, considering most people use use the tactic because they are heavily outnumbered and it gives them the ability to pick and choose their fights.
Fair enough. But is it fair that a pilot should be able to go AFK (and become absolutely invulnerable) while doing so? A pilot who is active and warping around, picking and choosing fights is in my mind, a legitimate player, but someone sitting still and unable to be found, is not. Why shouldn't the other side (in this case the one with numbers) be able to use their numbers and time advantage to probe and decloak them?
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