it also griefs the worst bears in game

I don't really understand why you want to do all of this? I have just come back to the game and have been doing a few incursions for the past few weeks and found it actually quite enjoyable.

It doesn't make sense to do this and potentially lose Eve players because of it? For many of us PVE is more practical than PVP due to time and rl situations. So people get railroaded back to lvl 4 missions and such? Get bored fast and then cancel subs?

I'd expect more from a CSM.

I don't really understand why you want to do all of this? I have just come back to the game and have been doing a few incursions for the past few weeks and found it actually quite enjoyable.

It doesn't make sense to do this and potentially lose Eve players because of it? For many of us PVE is more practical than PVP due to time and rl situations. So people get railroaded back to lvl 4 missions and such? Get bored fast and then cancel subs?

I'd expect more from a CSM.

Goons tried it, they killed some moms and harvested some tears. They got bored after week or so

Incursions will keep spawning and like the goons, you will find it harder and harder to get the numbers to kill moms

i see your point its a bit pointless as all the incursion runners (such as myself) will just move 5 jumps and farm for a few days until you pop the next mom and then do the same etc.

Also could you guys tell me why your so against high sec incursions?

Thanks,
Gaz

PS: mail from an incursion runner and no tears

Well congratulations faggots. Now I'll be back PVPing in T1 and meta 1 fit Rifters and Trashers and you can complain about crap fits and crap loo again.

Why the frak do you think people run Incursions? What do they need that isk for? To sit on it? Hell no. To turn it into killmails.

Go on feed on my tears. But neither I nor anyone else will come to do incs in lowsec or become a 00 drone to be allowed access to your precious anoms (that also pump magatons of raw isk into economy; but never mind them, stop incursions)

How about losing potential Eve players from disallowing this? Isnt that the same? Adapt and overcome. Else go cry in a corner and cancel your sub, bear.

LOOOL if your doing incursions and only affordig t1 rifters and thrashers you either; fail at pvp and need a change in profession or fail at incursions and need a change in profession. Overall, you need a change in profession

I have talked to some of the people organizing the fleets to kill the Sansha motherships and stop the farming. It is my conclusion that these gentlemen are in fact legitimate. We had a few conferences and although I can't be certain, my best information and instincts tell me that this is going to be a real op with high chance of success. That being said, I would advise those participating to leave their officer fitted ships at home and fly conventional BS/T3.


I ask all available pilots to lend a hand and lets see what we can do. Get your armor BS/T3 out and join me in helping kill the moms. I will be rolling logi myself (under an alt OFC). Hit me up in game (Darius iii) and I will try to help out and/or answer any questions. We will be in Amarr space initially and as noted above, in armor ships. No war decced pilots unless you come as a group, no aggroed people will get reps and no nonsense please.

C+P Please come out and help-this is not only a great thing to do, it also griefs the worst bears in game, pays some ISK also it is expected to generate buckets of high quality disease fighting tears. Together we can get this done.

See you at 18:00 ETZ for pre-formup. Get in C+P ingame channel. Best of luck brothers-today we ride together

and after this post there shall be lots of trolling by small children and the non-shiny butthurt pubbies......... I await your responses so I can PMSL at you even more!

I didnt' say anything about 'disallowing' this. I'm just interested in to why said people yourself oviously included want to stop PVE activities in general? Why do you want less Eve players, it makes no sense?

It makes no real massive difference to me, but it just takes away some of the content of eve. You wont stop the hardcore incursion runners, so people who are more casual and just want to try different things won't have the opportunity.

What is your gripe with the Incursion runners? Is it simply they make more isk than you do? Seriously enlighten me.

The problem is not PvE in itself, or Incursions either, it's risk free high sec incursions that generates more isk/hour then 0.0 sanctum running or wormhole site running does.

I'm sorry but that is just no true. At peak efficiency a "shiny" fleet will be doing 120 maybe 140m/hr. Add in occasional breaks and reforming when people leave fleet and you end with 120m actually being close to ceiling of what best fleets can make.

C5s are what? 500M/hr?

Upgraded sanctums should be around 200m/hr? Without counting eventual faction spawns and drops.

...You can see what kind of ppl they are now.... cant you ?

If fleets only make 100m/ph why are they paying 10bn per day to stop Darius and co killing the Mothership? How many fleets run in each system?

I didn't say 100m, I said 120 to 140. Its 20 to 40 % difference then number in your reply . Its quite a difference. System with 100 was crowded (in normal circumstances). So with off gird booster that would be 7-8 fleets.

Second. 10Bn per day is a C&P forum rumor and nothing else. Or its somewhere above my level; I cant be 100% confident.

And sorry but numbers close to 200m in a non cap for fully upgraded -1 anoms is what I've heard from too many sources to just throw away.

I didn't say 100m, I said 120 to 140. Its 20 to 40 % difference then number in your reply . Its quite a difference. System with 100 was crowded (in normal circumstances). So with off gird booster that would be 7-8 fleets.

Second. 10Bn per day is a C&P forum rumor and nothing else. Or its somewhere above my level; I cant be 100% confident.

And sorry but numbers close to 200m in a non cap for fully upgraded -1 anoms is what I've heard from too many sources to just throw away.

I didn't say 100m, I said 120 to 140. Its 20 to 40 % difference then number in your reply . Its quite a difference. System with 100 was crowded (in normal circumstances). So with off gird booster that would be 7-8 fleets.

Second. 10Bn per day is a C&P forum rumor and nothing else. Or its somewhere above my level; I cant be 100% confident.

And sorry but numbers close to 200m in a non cap for fully upgraded -1 anoms is what I've heard from too many sources to just throw away.