What's this? C&P is organizing a carebearing expedition?

I don't even ...

You want to see people fight, and have melt downs? Kill off the Boss of an incurision so they can't milk and are left twiddling thumbs for 3 days and hey 90m isk for everyone doing it.

I am just amazed that the latest scheme to cause carebear tears is by out-carebearing the carebears. Astonishing!

Darius & Co. are no different than the Occupy hippies...

I have talked to some of the people organizing the fleets to kill the Sansha motherships and stop the farming. It is my conclusion that these gentlemen are in fact legitimate. We had a few conferences and although I can't be certain, my best information and instincts tell me that this is going to be a real op with high chance of success. That being said, I would advise those participating to leave their officer fitted ships at home and fly conventional BS/T3.


I ask all available pilots to lend a hand and lets see what we can do. Get your armor BS/T3 out and join me in helping kill the moms. I will be rolling logi myself (under an alt OFC). Hit me up in game (Darius iii) and I will try to help out and/or answer any questions. We will be in Amarr space initially and as noted above, in armor ships. No war decced pilots unless you come as a group, no aggroed people will get reps and no nonsense please.

C+P Please come out and help-this is not only a great thing to do, it also griefs the worst bears in game, pays some ISK also it is expected to generate buckets of high quality disease fighting tears. Together we can get this done.

See you at 18:00 ETZ for pre-formup. Get in C+P ingame channel. Best of luck brothers-today we ride together

Why so butthurt mister "I only argue against any points made against the incursion bear community"?
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=search&postedby=Pierre%20LaFayette

I'm not butthurt at all. I am just enjoying at all the people raging against incursion runners. If you want to talk about tears, all ya need is a mirror.

I am just amazed that the latest scheme to cause carebear tears is by out-carebearing the carebears. Astonishing!

I have talked to some of the people organizing the fleets to kill the Sansha motherships and stop the farming. It is my conclusion that these gentlemen are in fact legitimate. We had a few conferences and although I can't be certain, my best information and instincts tell me that this is going to be a real op with high chance of success. That being said, I would advise those participating to leave their officer fitted ships at home and fly conventional BS/T3.


I ask all available pilots to lend a hand and lets see what we can do. Get your armor BS/T3 out and join me in helping kill the moms. I will be rolling logi myself (under an alt OFC). Hit me up in game (Darius iii) and I will try to help out and/or answer any questions. We will be in Amarr space initially and as noted above, in armor ships. No war decced pilots unless you come as a group, no aggroed people will get reps and no nonsense please.

C+P Please come out and help-this is not only a great thing to do, it also griefs the worst bears in game, pays some ISK also it is expected to generate buckets of high quality disease fighting tears. Together we can get this done.

See you at 18:00 ETZ for pre-formup. Get in C+P ingame channel. Best of luck brothers-today we ride together

Goons tried it, they killed some moms and harvested some tears. They got bored after week or so

Incursions will keep spawning and like the goons, you will find it harder and harder to get the numbers to kill moms

Dont tell us what you are going to do, show us.

For awhile I was chomping at the bit to assist in these glorious endeavours. However, after weeks of sitting in silent channels and looking into my journal to see 3 active hisec incursions (as there still are today btw) I have come to see it as a bunch of hurfblurf from griefers who cant really get anything done without some weak mechanic to abuse in the process. Please prove me wrong...

Pretty much. Anything else is just considered spin for the anti-bears, griefers or whatever you want to call yourself. Hardly doubt that one successful run against motherships is going to put everyone into meltdown frenzy. You'll have to sustain this for several weeks before any possible dent into the incursion alliances is seen. But please continue with the propaganda :)

It'd make me laugh anyway, and CCP do have a 'quirky' sense of humor.....

it also griefs the worst bears in game

I don't really understand why you want to do all of this? I have just come back to the game and have been doing a few incursions for the past few weeks and found it actually quite enjoyable.

It doesn't make sense to do this and potentially lose Eve players because of it? For many of us PVE is more practical than PVP due to time and rl situations. So people get railroaded back to lvl 4 missions and such? Get bored fast and then cancel subs?

I'd expect more from a CSM.

I don't really understand why you want to do all of this? I have just come back to the game and have been doing a few incursions for the past few weeks and found it actually quite enjoyable.

It doesn't make sense to do this and potentially lose Eve players because of it? For many of us PVE is more practical than PVP due to time and rl situations. So people get railroaded back to lvl 4 missions and such? Get bored fast and then cancel subs?

I'd expect more from a CSM.

Goons tried it, they killed some moms and harvested some tears. They got bored after week or so

Incursions will keep spawning and like the goons, you will find it harder and harder to get the numbers to kill moms

i see your point its a bit pointless as all the incursion runners (such as myself) will just move 5 jumps and farm for a few days until you pop the next mom and then do the same etc.

Also could you guys tell me why your so against high sec incursions?

Thanks,
Gaz

PS: mail from an incursion runner and no tears

Well congratulations faggots. Now I'll be back PVPing in T1 and meta 1 fit Rifters and Trashers and you can complain about crap fits and crap loo again.

Why the frak do you think people run Incursions? What do they need that isk for? To sit on it? Hell no. To turn it into killmails.

Go on feed on my tears. But neither I nor anyone else will come to do incs in lowsec or become a 00 drone to be allowed access to your precious anoms (that also pump magatons of raw isk into economy; but never mind them, stop incursions)

How about losing potential Eve players from disallowing this? Isnt that the same? Adapt and overcome. Else go cry in a corner and cancel your sub, bear.

LOOOL if your doing incursions and only affordig t1 rifters and thrashers you either; fail at pvp and need a change in profession or fail at incursions and need a change in profession. Overall, you need a change in profession

I have talked to some of the people organizing the fleets to kill the Sansha motherships and stop the farming. It is my conclusion that these gentlemen are in fact legitimate. We had a few conferences and although I can't be certain, my best information and instincts tell me that this is going to be a real op with high chance of success. That being said, I would advise those participating to leave their officer fitted ships at home and fly conventional BS/T3.


I ask all available pilots to lend a hand and lets see what we can do. Get your armor BS/T3 out and join me in helping kill the moms. I will be rolling logi myself (under an alt OFC). Hit me up in game (Darius iii) and I will try to help out and/or answer any questions. We will be in Amarr space initially and as noted above, in armor ships. No war decced pilots unless you come as a group, no aggroed people will get reps and no nonsense please.

C+P Please come out and help-this is not only a great thing to do, it also griefs the worst bears in game, pays some ISK also it is expected to generate buckets of high quality disease fighting tears. Together we can get this done.

See you at 18:00 ETZ for pre-formup. Get in C+P ingame channel. Best of luck brothers-today we ride together

and after this post there shall be lots of trolling by small children and the non-shiny butthurt pubbies......... I await your responses so I can PMSL at you even more!

I didnt' say anything about 'disallowing' this. I'm just interested in to why said people yourself oviously included want to stop PVE activities in general? Why do you want less Eve players, it makes no sense?

It makes no real massive difference to me, but it just takes away some of the content of eve. You wont stop the hardcore incursion runners, so people who are more casual and just want to try different things won't have the opportunity.

What is your gripe with the Incursion runners? Is it simply they make more isk than you do? Seriously enlighten me.

The problem is not PvE in itself, or Incursions either, it's risk free high sec incursions that generates more isk/hour then 0.0 sanctum running or wormhole site running does.

I'm sorry but that is just no true. At peak efficiency a "shiny" fleet will be doing 120 maybe 140m/hr. Add in occasional breaks and reforming when people leave fleet and you end with 120m actually being close to ceiling of what best fleets can make.

C5s are what? 500M/hr?

Upgraded sanctums should be around 200m/hr? Without counting eventual faction spawns and drops.

...You can see what kind of ppl they are now.... cant you ?

If fleets only make 100m/ph why are they paying 10bn per day to stop Darius and co killing the Mothership? How many fleets run in each system?

I didn't say 100m, I said 120 to 140. Its 20 to 40 % difference then number in your reply . Its quite a difference. System with 100 was crowded (in normal circumstances). So with off gird booster that would be 7-8 fleets.

Second. 10Bn per day is a C&P forum rumor and nothing else. Or its somewhere above my level; I cant be 100% confident.

And sorry but numbers close to 200m in a non cap for fully upgraded -1 anoms is what I've heard from too many sources to just throw away.

I didn't say 100m, I said 120 to 140. Its 20 to 40 % difference then number in your reply . Its quite a difference. System with 100 was crowded (in normal circumstances). So with off gird booster that would be 7-8 fleets.

Second. 10Bn per day is a C&P forum rumor and nothing else. Or its somewhere above my level; I cant be 100% confident.

And sorry but numbers close to 200m in a non cap for fully upgraded -1 anoms is what I've heard from too many sources to just throw away.

I didn't say 100m, I said 120 to 140. Its 20 to 40 % difference then number in your reply . Its quite a difference. System with 100 was crowded (in normal circumstances). So with off gird booster that would be 7-8 fleets.

Second. 10Bn per day is a C&P forum rumor and nothing else. Or its somewhere above my level; I cant be 100% confident.

And sorry but numbers close to 200m in a non cap for fully upgraded -1 anoms is what I've heard from too many sources to just throw away.

You are a surprisingly ill-informed person to be suggesting that 10Bn a dail is a mere rumor, Sir.

And you are unsurprisingly full of sh** and still making fail attempts at propaganda, perhaps you should be focusing more time on your alliances rather poor attempts at null sec or you may find incursions will be the only thing left for you in-game, failing of course you resulting to going pro and ganking ibis in empire which tbh is probably a bit above your level

And you are unsurprisingly full of sh** and still making fail attempts at propaganda, perhaps you should be focusing more time on your alliances rather poor attempts at null sec or you may find incursions will be the only thing left for you in-game, failing of course you resulting to going pro and ganking ibis in empire which tbh is probably a bit above your level

Yes, it does go somewhere else, but it takes more than 24 hours to do so.
Learn your isk faucet's mechanics before you fail post.

Just a question, PRVTR and brick are currently at war, when it ends sometime mid this week, mind if I join up?

And you are unsurprisingly full of sh** and still making fail attempts at propaganda, perhaps you should be focusing more time on your alliances rather poor attempts at null sec or you may find incursions will be the only thing left for you in-game, failing of course you resulting to going pro and ganking ibis in empire which tbh is probably a bit above your level

Intelligent words

Sure, but could you end it sooner? I got iskies to make at incursion or suicide gankings!

Lots of stuff

The third group is the ones you're really hurting by griefing them. These are the ragtag fleets of newbies in their tech 1 battleships trying to scrape together a living at 40-60m/hr, and maybe get enough isk in their wallet to move out to null or wormholes where the real fun of Eve actually is. These are also the people who bears the most risk out of the 3 groups. Ragtag fleets of tech 1 battleships will get shredded if their logis are incompetent, which happens very frequently in incursion local fleets. These people are also the future of Eve when the bittervets all ragequit because they can no longer field supers with near 0 chance of dying.

From where I'm standing, griefing incursions look really counter-intuitive. It accomplishes less than nothing other than collecting a few tears, and in the long run it might even make nullsec more and more boring as people slowly downgrade their shiny ships to meta 4 rifters because you took away their isk faucet.

There are 3 major groups of people who farm incursions.

1. Weekend warriors who do nothing but incursions. They log on, do incursions, log back off.
2. Nullbears who needs to farm isk to blow up other nullbears.
3. Newbies who are looking for a better source of isk and interaction than lvl 4s

The first group is largely irrelevant. They farm a **** ton of isk yes, but who the hell cares? 99% of their isk is sitting idle in their wallet. They lose maybe one Nightmare every 2 years. And since all they do with the isk they make is to replace their shiny ships which they don't lose very often, their impact on the Eve economy is less than negligible. There's a reason why the axis on the health of the economy charts are labelled "AVERAGE ACTIVE ISK PER WALLET", because that's all that matters.

The second group really needs no explanation. These are the same people who ***** about "hur hur incursionz print isk hurp durp". And the way I see it, farming highsec incursions allows these nullbears to field shinier and shinier ships as their average wallet balance goes up, which should be a good thing for people living in null thirsty for shiny killmails.

The third group is the ones you're really hurting by griefing them. These are the ragtag fleets of newbies in their tech 1 battleships trying to scrape together a living at 40-60m/hr, and maybe get enough isk in their wallet to move out to null or wormholes where the real fun of Eve actually is. These are also the people who bears the most risk out of the 3 groups. Ragtag fleets of tech 1 battleships will get shredded if their logis are incompetent, which happens very frequently in incursion local fleets. These people are also the future of Eve when the bittervets all ragequit because they can no longer field supers with near 0 chance of dying.

From where I'm standing, griefing incursions look really counter-intuitive. It accomplishes less than nothing other than collecting a few tears, and in the long run it might even make nullsec more and more boring as people slowly downgrade their shiny ships to meta 4 rifters because you took away their isk faucet.

The Problem with this is all those newbies don't do Incursions anymore. They have either become group 1 or 2, or have been shooed away by the stuck up Incursion runners who only want the skilled.

More people will come if they think we have punch and pie!

I don't really understand why you want to do all of this? I have just come back to the game and have been doing a few incursions for the past few weeks and found it actually quite enjoyable.

It doesn't make sense to do this and potentially lose Eve players because of it? For many of us PVE is more practical than PVP due to time and rl situations. So people get railroaded back to lvl 4 missions and such? Get bored fast and then cancel subs?

I'd expect more from a CSM.

So only nullbears do Incursions to fund their PVP? Really? Not everyone is a -10 who spends 5 hours a day in HIC or T3 gang on a lowsec entry gate somewhere close to Jita.

Yes you are screwing the new players in cheaper ships and fits. Currently its shiniest fleets bitterly competing (12 man fleets with 2 logis ffs) cutting each others income into what you maybe find acceptable. Everyone else is completely screwed and can only join n-th assault suicide fleet people make for *****, giggles and tears. Even if they live trough a random assault fleet they are better off just doing L4s.

Just couple of days back when there were 3 high-sec Incs open; there were T1 fleets and they were pushing their way trough sites. Someone they'd be contested by shinies, sometimes not. Now when everyone is cramming into a single Inc to get as much as they can before someone closes it; they don't stand a remote chance.

How much of EVE is in high-sec? 80%? More? And how many of them are doing incursions? Couple thousand? I'm confident that infinite bounty and mission reward faucets of that vast mass of people outweigh Incursions.

Null has upgraded systems, faction spawns, and there is always someone who knew a guy who heard about a guy who's friend killed an officer spawn.

Lowsec... lowsec has... 5/10 DEDs. And that's it. 4/10 are in highsec also; 6+ are in 00. Mining in lowsec is... who the hell ever mines anywhere? L4 missions? You need a (nearly) unprobeable Tengu for that; just go to null and do Angel missions and provide more cheap Cynaballs an Drams for gentlemen whining about evil highsec carebears causing inflation and having too much isk.



To finish. Out of couple hundred thousands highsec characters maybe 5-10k are doing incursions. And in absolutely best cases getting 140-160M/hr (that is with 0 tax). In a equally shiny ship as one needed for that number you'd do L4s for 90-120m/hr.

T1 ship with proper fits can reach and breach those numbers in 00 belts an upgraded anoms. Those are both pure isk faucets. DED plexes can bring insane profits but they don't pump money. But they area there, all from 6/10 and up, available to nullsec players.

Lowsec is junk and serves only to try and get fights and no other purpose. Nerfing highsec will not bring people into lowsec.

The Problem with this is all those newbies don't do Incursions anymore. They have either become group 1 or 2, or have been shooed away by the stuck up Incursion runners who only want the skilled.

The fact remains - CCP left the door open for this. There is no in-game mechanic preventing players from running the Mothership. They could have (and still can) easily implement a system whereby you had to run a certain amount of incursions to gain access to the Mom, a la mechanics in WoW for running bosses. They chose not to, and thus sanctioned the closing of Incursions if and when people decided to get a fleet together and do it. Just because it doesn't serve your purposes doesn't mean it's not a legitimate way to play the game.

Everybody always pounds their chest about EVE's 'sandbox' (a term over and misused in relation to the game), but in this case it works. Everybody vs everybody. If you don't like Incursion farming, you go kill the Mom. If you don't like people killing the Mom, kill them. Otherwise suck it up. You'll have a bit of running Vans and Assaults before the Mothership shows, you get your isk and finish it off, or someone else will. How is the competition for that any different than the competition for anoms/scanning sites, or Sov territory, or even the market? It's a fundamental principle that the game is built on - competition for resources.

You say it shuts people out of needed isk? Go do something else. There's more than one corner of the sandbox to play in. No, missions don't pay as much, but people were funding their play with them and other activities long before Incursions came around.

tl;dr - you're not entitled to Incursions any more than anything else in the game. If you want it, go take it. Otherwise find something else to do.

The fact remains - CCP find something else to do.

Just couple of days back when there were 3 high-sec Incs open; there were T1 fleets and they were pushing their way trough sites. Someone they'd be contested by shinies, sometimes not. Now when everyone is cramming into a single Inc to get as much as they can before someone closes it; they don't stand a remote chance.

How much of EVE is in high-sec? 80%? More? And how many of them are doing incursions? Couple thousand? I'm confident that infinite bounty and mission reward faucets of that vast mass of people outweigh Incursions.

Null has upgraded systems, faction spawns, and there is always someone who knew a guy who heard about a guy who's friend killed an officer spawn.

just go to null and do Angel missions and provide more cheap Cynaballs an Drams for gentlemen whining about evil highsec carebears causing inflation and having too much isk.

Nerfing highsec will not bring people into lowsec.

I hope all you hisecers who decided to help 00 overlords gain power over their members enjoy having your characters burned from running any decent fleets in the future.

It may not happen now but later when you go to run them you will notice you will spend alot of time in space with no invites. And that will never change because YOU decided to side with those who were only using you to further their own ends.

This was NOTHING about channel bans. This was about forcing members into CTAs. And you fell for it.

Skunkworks is highsec, Lead Farmers are wormhole dudes... of the three that did this, only Brick is nullsec. And Darius didn't even want to ask Bricks if they'd like to come because he felt he'd lose cred asking nullsec pvpers to come do highsec grief. He was surprised by the amount of positive response he got.

In short, none of the '00 overlords' were behind this.

As for sitting in space with no invites, I can still get into fleet on this very character. But more importantly, we would be ec-*******-static if nobody had invites, because nobody cared, because those with the motivation were off trading calculated risk for better money.

In short, I don't think you really grasp the tenor of the whole situation.

Edit: Warsmiths, I keep bumping into your guys, both in game and on the forums. Is the universe conspiring to make us fight?

The fact remains - CCP left the door open for this. There is no in-game mechanic preventing players from running the Mothership. They could have (and still can) easily implement a system whereby you had to run a certain amount of incursions to gain access to the Mom, a la mechanics in WoW for running bosses. They chose not to, and thus sanctioned the closing of Incursions if and when people decided to get a fleet together and do it. Just because it doesn't serve your purposes doesn't mean it's not a legitimate way to play the game.

If it wasn't for constant wardecs and negative sec status, I'd totally be headshotting motherships.

I love the incursion runners crying about being introduced to PvP, it's hilarious~

...and prevent anyone from making isk.

To finish. Out of couple hundred thousands highsec characters maybe 5-10k are doing incursions. And in absolutely best cases getting 140-160M/hr (that is with 0 tax). In a equally shiny ship as one needed for that number you'd do L4s for 90-120m/hr.

T1 ship with proper fits can reach and breach those numbers in 00 belts an upgraded anoms. Those are both pure isk faucets. DED plexes can bring insane profits but they don't pump money. But they area there, all from 6/10 and up, available to nullsec players.

Lowsec is junk and serves only to try and get fights and no other purpose. Nerfing highsec will not bring people into lowsec.

Aren't you all kinda forgetting the "tiny" initial investment of 2 or 3 bill to start doing Incursions? And need to know FCs and logis who will not kill you out of malice or incompetence? Its not just "oh I'll go farm Incursions"... "starts getting 3min tics".

Your not supposed to NEED that 'tiny' investment, that is the elitism of the people who control the Incursions currently causing that requirement.

You shouldn't 'NEED' anything more than some friends to run the sites.

edit: I'm dumb, and can't tell NPCs from player representatives to iceland.

Aren't you all kinda forgetting the "tiny" initial investment of 2 or 3 bill to start doing Incursions? And need to know FCs and logis who will not kill you out of malice or incompetence? Its not just "oh I'll go farm Incursions"... "starts getting 3min tics".

You can get a fleet with T1 BS. Did it first day when I started just to try the waters, before buddy got me into shiny fleet. Even if people are not contesting your sites you are still about as much as you'd get in L4 in T1 bs.

In order to have a large edge over L4s and get you the money people are complaining about... yes you need to be shiny. I'd suspect you'd be raging even more if people could get 120-140m/hr in Drakes and Ravens.

If you just want to do Incursions for completely unspectacular incomes; then you don't need investment.

Income denial is PvP.

So, does it require that investment, or does it not? In this pyramid of quotes, I have you on record saying both.

Pick one.

Ah, well, if thats the case, its completely true of every form of income. Sadly, at a given level of investment, incursions pay out more than any other form of income(other than maybe tech moons, which are not a personal form of income)

Lowsec is junk and serves only to try and get fights and no other purpose. Nerfing highsec will not bring people into lowsec.

YOU GUYZZZZZZ, YOU ARE BLACKLISTED AND WE ARENT LETTING YOU PLAY WITH US CUZ U WERE MEAN AND HELPED THE 00 OVERLORDS GUYZZZZZ STOP IT YOURE SO MEAAAAAN

FINE GUYS IM JUST NOT INVITING YOU TO MY BIRTHDAY PARTY.

Aren't you all kinda forgetting the "tiny" initial investment of 2 or 3 bill to start doing Incursions? And need to know FCs and logis who will not kill you out of malice or incompetence? Its not just "oh I'll go farm Incursions"... "starts getting 3min tics".

Is it so hard to accept that Incursions pay too well relative to other activities in EVE? No one's saying that they should be removed, just that they should be toned down.

Tell me please, according to you:
How much do highsec incursions pay out?
How much do best comparable activities in highsec pay out?

How much does lowsec and null pay out?
How much should highsec pay (I know I konw... barely enough to afford a shitfit Rifter and off you go to amamake to try your luck against full snake Drams with max skilled T3 link boosters)

There is no long term prosperous job in lowsec other than piracy. There is no fate other than TCU and POS bashing in null.

Aren't you all kinda forgetting the "tiny" initial investment of 2 or 3 bill to start doing Incursions? And need to know FCs and logis who will not kill you out of malice or incompetence? Its not just "oh I'll go farm Incursions"... "starts getting 3min tics".

With each post you make one thing becomes more clear. You have no idea what you are talking about.

Aren't you all kinda forgetting the "tiny" initial investment of 2 or 3 bill to start doing Incursions? And need to know FCs and logis who will not kill you out of malice or incompetence? Its not just "oh I'll go farm Incursions"... "starts getting 3min tics".

With each post you make one thing becomes more clear. You have no idea what you are talking about.

If there are actually mission runners making anywhere near 100mil/hr (still waiting for the pics) they have probably invested 100's of hours into building standings, training SP for maxed effeciency and learning how to best farm/blitz those missions. Conversely any 3 month old character can train up minmatar/gallente BS IV and jump into a machariel with plexed (or lol incursion financed) faction mods and make the same amount of money if not more. The fact that you continue to make these generalizations shows exactly which end of this carebear spectrum you are in.

Someone give this guy a tissue.

Well extra income should be there to promote cooperative and group activity over just soling (or dualboxing) L4s or whatever.

Until Incursions became all the rage there were constant "I make 200 mill/hr blitzing in my Mach/Mare" threads in Missions&Explo forum.

3 month old character with such a pathetic skilled Mach will have terrible tank and terrible DPS and (if he survives any oopsies in sites) would end being a shiny but useless decorations of better T1 BS fleets.

Tell me please, according to you:
How much do highsec incursions pay out?
How much do best comparable activities in highsec pay out?

How much does lowsec and null pay out?
How much should highsec pay (I know I konw... barely enough to afford a shitfit Rifter and off you go to amamake to try your luck against full snake Drams with max skilled T3 link boosters)

There is no long term prosperous job in lowsec other than piracy. There is no fate other than TCU and POS bashing in null.

I just can't get my head round the fact there's a bunch of folks running round in 2-3b isk ships with low or null pvp skills. And on top of that making tons of isk farming risk free in hi sec with these incursions.

Like to see them come down to NPC null in Curse with said ships and do an incursion. Where's the risk in hi sec to generate such rewards ?

You, sir, are a handsome man and your line of questioning tells me that you are the best sort of player. Have a +1

I just can't get my head round the fact there's a bunch of folks running round in 2-3b isk ships with low or null pvp skills. And on top of that making tons of isk farming risk free in hi sec with these incursions.

Like to see them come down to NPC null in Curse with said ships and do an incursion. Where's the risk in hi sec to generate such rewards ?

I bet everyone is glad to have a bit of break.

they are just in belts AFK rating, impass, venal, drone region, Delve any fuking where.
To say that 0.0 is dangerous plz sell you **** to ppl that never steped in 0.0 i never felt more safe that in null.

Didn't want that incursion anyway.

Didn't want that incursion anyway.

Too bad I can only +1 you once sir

they are just in belts AFK rating, impass, venal, drone region, Delve any fuking where.
To say that 0.0 is dangerous plz sell you **** to ppl that never steped in 0.0 i never felt more safe that in null.

Oh aye, Curse is real f#####g safe. Come down through Doril and go Doril to Vol ratting in the belts in a 2b isk ship.
Then come back on here and tell us all how you've never felt so f#####g safe...

oh man i'm glad we don't have to worry about suicide gankers, all we have to deal with in 0.0 are awoxers, hotdrops, bubbles and losing access to our assets for years

Dude.. chill.. its a G A M E !!!!! Clearly you are not happy with what you are doing in game... all that rage... join the carebears in HS. its better for your health. I can help you get into a good BTL fleet

good BTL fleet

Troll spotted.

The problem is not PvE in itself, or Incursions either, it's risk free high sec incursions that generates more isk/hour then 0.0 sanctum running or wormhole site running does.

Too bad I can only +1 you once sir

Is it so hard to accept that Incursions pay too well relative to other activities in EVE? No one's saying that they should be removed, just that they should be toned down.

Income denial is PvP.

NULL SEC TEARZ over Incursions lololololololol NULL SEC tears are the best tears....... look more Incursions spawned lets hear more NULL SEC tears lol! Quick I need a buket to collect the most tastey NULL sec tears

NULL whineing about HI SEC again lol
HI SEC CAREBEARZ WIN

Please don't speak for the rest of high sec. You're embarrassing us.

Actually, don't speak at all.

Is it so hard to accept that other people like to play the game in a different way then you & your tears about HI SEC making any ISK are sooo tastey? I think Tech moons should be nerfed & drones be made to poop moon goo so techtanium isn't sooooo passive... but you don't hear me crying all butt hurt about it in the forums except when I'm being sarcastic.

I have talked to some of the people organizing the fleets to kill the Sansha motherships and stop the farming.

Is it so hard to accept that other people like to play the game in a different way then you & your tears about HI SEC making any ISK are sooo tastey? I think Tech moons should be nerfed & drones be made to poop moon goo so techtanium isn't sooooo passive... but you don't hear me crying all butt hurt about it in the forums except when I'm being sarcastic.

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STILL WAITING FOR THE DISLIKE BUTTON IN FORUMS CCP

Floppie I got a special bucket for all your tears & will sip them with relish

Interesting I read the CSM notes & it sayz CSM's want Incursions to last longer on page 13?!?!?!?! Either CSM speaks with forked tongue or the notes are BS Darius?

Griefer tearz are the best tears now.... Floppie I got a special bucket for all your tears & will sip them with relish while I talk for you & never stop speaking nananananaaahhhhh

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Still waiting for the Dislike button in Forums CCP

remove darth nefarius from premises

-Hey look there are 3 incursions up again.... HI SEC CAREBEARS WIN \o/ Next posts will be more griefer tears I'm sure so I'll get my bucket ready

I get it now.. you guys couldn't get into a decent incursion fleet and always lost when sites were contested.. so now you get a fleet to run the mom, as no one else will be there, so you too can make a few iskies.. shame you poor babies.. ganking miners getting boring for you????

So, instead of running the nearly uncontested Assaults, we would NOT gather 2x 20man fleets, but instead do a 40man fleet to kill a the MOM, just to get the Isk and LPs? Thats Logic for ya.

Dude, your **** is tired.

BLAH.. BALH..

They don't care about the money.

BLAH BLAH
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Haven't seen anyone state griefers are smart. You basically crying cause your ganking carebears is on a down turn. Bet you even copy the fits from the incursion "carebears". Guess they must know something to be able to easily farm incursions... and as said, most of the griefers are or have alts running incursions... you just upset cause you get picked last. Alliances in null pretty much own the eve economy with their moon goo.. why don't you big brave soles do something about that???? Oh wait.. you don't have concord to protect your lame asses... you griefers are the carebears.. any fool can suicide gank someone in HS.

Just a little hint dude, we are wormhole dwellers, not highsec or lowsec pirates.

Wouldn't think so from the loyal support you provide to the HS gankers

Wouldn't think so from the loyal support you provide to the HS gankers

I take no pleasure in this since I like the guys from Skunkworks... Even one of my good EvE buddies is part of Skunkworks.

This was purely business that we were asked to dec a corp that Monk was part off.

For you incursion bears.... I am taking offers for Psychotic Monk Corps Starting at 500mil.

You can now own his corps to do with as you please.

Convo or EVEmail me.

*Hairdryer sold seperately.