You are a surprisingly ill-informed person to be suggesting that 10Bn a dail is a mere rumor, Sir.

And you are unsurprisingly full of sh** and still making fail attempts at propaganda, perhaps you should be focusing more time on your alliances rather poor attempts at null sec or you may find incursions will be the only thing left for you in-game, failing of course you resulting to going pro and ganking ibis in empire which tbh is probably a bit above your level

And you are unsurprisingly full of sh** and still making fail attempts at propaganda, perhaps you should be focusing more time on your alliances rather poor attempts at null sec or you may find incursions will be the only thing left for you in-game, failing of course you resulting to going pro and ganking ibis in empire which tbh is probably a bit above your level

Yes, it does go somewhere else, but it takes more than 24 hours to do so.
Learn your isk faucet's mechanics before you fail post.

Just a question, PRVTR and brick are currently at war, when it ends sometime mid this week, mind if I join up?

And you are unsurprisingly full of sh** and still making fail attempts at propaganda, perhaps you should be focusing more time on your alliances rather poor attempts at null sec or you may find incursions will be the only thing left for you in-game, failing of course you resulting to going pro and ganking ibis in empire which tbh is probably a bit above your level

Intelligent words

Sure, but could you end it sooner? I got iskies to make at incursion or suicide gankings!

Lots of stuff

The third group is the ones you're really hurting by griefing them. These are the ragtag fleets of newbies in their tech 1 battleships trying to scrape together a living at 40-60m/hr, and maybe get enough isk in their wallet to move out to null or wormholes where the real fun of Eve actually is. These are also the people who bears the most risk out of the 3 groups. Ragtag fleets of tech 1 battleships will get shredded if their logis are incompetent, which happens very frequently in incursion local fleets. These people are also the future of Eve when the bittervets all ragequit because they can no longer field supers with near 0 chance of dying.

From where I'm standing, griefing incursions look really counter-intuitive. It accomplishes less than nothing other than collecting a few tears, and in the long run it might even make nullsec more and more boring as people slowly downgrade their shiny ships to meta 4 rifters because you took away their isk faucet.

There are 3 major groups of people who farm incursions.

1. Weekend warriors who do nothing but incursions. They log on, do incursions, log back off.
2. Nullbears who needs to farm isk to blow up other nullbears.
3. Newbies who are looking for a better source of isk and interaction than lvl 4s

The first group is largely irrelevant. They farm a **** ton of isk yes, but who the hell cares? 99% of their isk is sitting idle in their wallet. They lose maybe one Nightmare every 2 years. And since all they do with the isk they make is to replace their shiny ships which they don't lose very often, their impact on the Eve economy is less than negligible. There's a reason why the axis on the health of the economy charts are labelled "AVERAGE ACTIVE ISK PER WALLET", because that's all that matters.

The second group really needs no explanation. These are the same people who ***** about "hur hur incursionz print isk hurp durp". And the way I see it, farming highsec incursions allows these nullbears to field shinier and shinier ships as their average wallet balance goes up, which should be a good thing for people living in null thirsty for shiny killmails.

The third group is the ones you're really hurting by griefing them. These are the ragtag fleets of newbies in their tech 1 battleships trying to scrape together a living at 40-60m/hr, and maybe get enough isk in their wallet to move out to null or wormholes where the real fun of Eve actually is. These are also the people who bears the most risk out of the 3 groups. Ragtag fleets of tech 1 battleships will get shredded if their logis are incompetent, which happens very frequently in incursion local fleets. These people are also the future of Eve when the bittervets all ragequit because they can no longer field supers with near 0 chance of dying.

From where I'm standing, griefing incursions look really counter-intuitive. It accomplishes less than nothing other than collecting a few tears, and in the long run it might even make nullsec more and more boring as people slowly downgrade their shiny ships to meta 4 rifters because you took away their isk faucet.

The Problem with this is all those newbies don't do Incursions anymore. They have either become group 1 or 2, or have been shooed away by the stuck up Incursion runners who only want the skilled.

More people will come if they think we have punch and pie!

I don't really understand why you want to do all of this? I have just come back to the game and have been doing a few incursions for the past few weeks and found it actually quite enjoyable.

It doesn't make sense to do this and potentially lose Eve players because of it? For many of us PVE is more practical than PVP due to time and rl situations. So people get railroaded back to lvl 4 missions and such? Get bored fast and then cancel subs?

I'd expect more from a CSM.

So only nullbears do Incursions to fund their PVP? Really? Not everyone is a -10 who spends 5 hours a day in HIC or T3 gang on a lowsec entry gate somewhere close to Jita.

Yes you are screwing the new players in cheaper ships and fits. Currently its shiniest fleets bitterly competing (12 man fleets with 2 logis ffs) cutting each others income into what you maybe find acceptable. Everyone else is completely screwed and can only join n-th assault suicide fleet people make for *****, giggles and tears. Even if they live trough a random assault fleet they are better off just doing L4s.

Just couple of days back when there were 3 high-sec Incs open; there were T1 fleets and they were pushing their way trough sites. Someone they'd be contested by shinies, sometimes not. Now when everyone is cramming into a single Inc to get as much as they can before someone closes it; they don't stand a remote chance.

How much of EVE is in high-sec? 80%? More? And how many of them are doing incursions? Couple thousand? I'm confident that infinite bounty and mission reward faucets of that vast mass of people outweigh Incursions.

Null has upgraded systems, faction spawns, and there is always someone who knew a guy who heard about a guy who's friend killed an officer spawn.

Lowsec... lowsec has... 5/10 DEDs. And that's it. 4/10 are in highsec also; 6+ are in 00. Mining in lowsec is... who the hell ever mines anywhere? L4 missions? You need a (nearly) unprobeable Tengu for that; just go to null and do Angel missions and provide more cheap Cynaballs an Drams for gentlemen whining about evil highsec carebears causing inflation and having too much isk.



To finish. Out of couple hundred thousands highsec characters maybe 5-10k are doing incursions. And in absolutely best cases getting 140-160M/hr (that is with 0 tax). In a equally shiny ship as one needed for that number you'd do L4s for 90-120m/hr.

T1 ship with proper fits can reach and breach those numbers in 00 belts an upgraded anoms. Those are both pure isk faucets. DED plexes can bring insane profits but they don't pump money. But they area there, all from 6/10 and up, available to nullsec players.

Lowsec is junk and serves only to try and get fights and no other purpose. Nerfing highsec will not bring people into lowsec.

The Problem with this is all those newbies don't do Incursions anymore. They have either become group 1 or 2, or have been shooed away by the stuck up Incursion runners who only want the skilled.

The fact remains - CCP left the door open for this. There is no in-game mechanic preventing players from running the Mothership. They could have (and still can) easily implement a system whereby you had to run a certain amount of incursions to gain access to the Mom, a la mechanics in WoW for running bosses. They chose not to, and thus sanctioned the closing of Incursions if and when people decided to get a fleet together and do it. Just because it doesn't serve your purposes doesn't mean it's not a legitimate way to play the game.

Everybody always pounds their chest about EVE's 'sandbox' (a term over and misused in relation to the game), but in this case it works. Everybody vs everybody. If you don't like Incursion farming, you go kill the Mom. If you don't like people killing the Mom, kill them. Otherwise suck it up. You'll have a bit of running Vans and Assaults before the Mothership shows, you get your isk and finish it off, or someone else will. How is the competition for that any different than the competition for anoms/scanning sites, or Sov territory, or even the market? It's a fundamental principle that the game is built on - competition for resources.

You say it shuts people out of needed isk? Go do something else. There's more than one corner of the sandbox to play in. No, missions don't pay as much, but people were funding their play with them and other activities long before Incursions came around.

tl;dr - you're not entitled to Incursions any more than anything else in the game. If you want it, go take it. Otherwise find something else to do.

The fact remains - CCP find something else to do.