Just couple of days back when there were 3 high-sec Incs open; there were T1 fleets and they were pushing their way trough sites. Someone they'd be contested by shinies, sometimes not. Now when everyone is cramming into a single Inc to get as much as they can before someone closes it; they don't stand a remote chance.

How much of EVE is in high-sec? 80%? More? And how many of them are doing incursions? Couple thousand? I'm confident that infinite bounty and mission reward faucets of that vast mass of people outweigh Incursions.

Null has upgraded systems, faction spawns, and there is always someone who knew a guy who heard about a guy who's friend killed an officer spawn.

just go to null and do Angel missions and provide more cheap Cynaballs an Drams for gentlemen whining about evil highsec carebears causing inflation and having too much isk.

Nerfing highsec will not bring people into lowsec.

I hope all you hisecers who decided to help 00 overlords gain power over their members enjoy having your characters burned from running any decent fleets in the future.

It may not happen now but later when you go to run them you will notice you will spend alot of time in space with no invites. And that will never change because YOU decided to side with those who were only using you to further their own ends.

This was NOTHING about channel bans. This was about forcing members into CTAs. And you fell for it.

Skunkworks is highsec, Lead Farmers are wormhole dudes... of the three that did this, only Brick is nullsec. And Darius didn't even want to ask Bricks if they'd like to come because he felt he'd lose cred asking nullsec pvpers to come do highsec grief. He was surprised by the amount of positive response he got.

In short, none of the '00 overlords' were behind this.

As for sitting in space with no invites, I can still get into fleet on this very character. But more importantly, we would be ec-*******-static if nobody had invites, because nobody cared, because those with the motivation were off trading calculated risk for better money.

In short, I don't think you really grasp the tenor of the whole situation.

Edit: Warsmiths, I keep bumping into your guys, both in game and on the forums. Is the universe conspiring to make us fight?

The fact remains - CCP left the door open for this. There is no in-game mechanic preventing players from running the Mothership. They could have (and still can) easily implement a system whereby you had to run a certain amount of incursions to gain access to the Mom, a la mechanics in WoW for running bosses. They chose not to, and thus sanctioned the closing of Incursions if and when people decided to get a fleet together and do it. Just because it doesn't serve your purposes doesn't mean it's not a legitimate way to play the game.

If it wasn't for constant wardecs and negative sec status, I'd totally be headshotting motherships.

I love the incursion runners crying about being introduced to PvP, it's hilarious~

...and prevent anyone from making isk.

To finish. Out of couple hundred thousands highsec characters maybe 5-10k are doing incursions. And in absolutely best cases getting 140-160M/hr (that is with 0 tax). In a equally shiny ship as one needed for that number you'd do L4s for 90-120m/hr.

T1 ship with proper fits can reach and breach those numbers in 00 belts an upgraded anoms. Those are both pure isk faucets. DED plexes can bring insane profits but they don't pump money. But they area there, all from 6/10 and up, available to nullsec players.

Lowsec is junk and serves only to try and get fights and no other purpose. Nerfing highsec will not bring people into lowsec.

Aren't you all kinda forgetting the "tiny" initial investment of 2 or 3 bill to start doing Incursions? And need to know FCs and logis who will not kill you out of malice or incompetence? Its not just "oh I'll go farm Incursions"... "starts getting 3min tics".

Your not supposed to NEED that 'tiny' investment, that is the elitism of the people who control the Incursions currently causing that requirement.

You shouldn't 'NEED' anything more than some friends to run the sites.

edit: I'm dumb, and can't tell NPCs from player representatives to iceland.

Aren't you all kinda forgetting the "tiny" initial investment of 2 or 3 bill to start doing Incursions? And need to know FCs and logis who will not kill you out of malice or incompetence? Its not just "oh I'll go farm Incursions"... "starts getting 3min tics".

You can get a fleet with T1 BS. Did it first day when I started just to try the waters, before buddy got me into shiny fleet. Even if people are not contesting your sites you are still about as much as you'd get in L4 in T1 bs.

In order to have a large edge over L4s and get you the money people are complaining about... yes you need to be shiny. I'd suspect you'd be raging even more if people could get 120-140m/hr in Drakes and Ravens.

If you just want to do Incursions for completely unspectacular incomes; then you don't need investment.

Income denial is PvP.

So, does it require that investment, or does it not? In this pyramid of quotes, I have you on record saying both.

Pick one.

Ah, well, if thats the case, its completely true of every form of income. Sadly, at a given level of investment, incursions pay out more than any other form of income(other than maybe tech moons, which are not a personal form of income)

Lowsec is junk and serves only to try and get fights and no other purpose. Nerfing highsec will not bring people into lowsec.