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Mega Thong
Caldari Innocent Until Proven Guilty
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Posted - 2007.08.19 08:02:00 -
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Tritanium, EvE's most common mineral. Everyone has heard of it, everyone uses something that is made up of it, but not many people have tried moving it.
To make anything in EvE, you need a lot of Tritanium, it's the way of EvE. A Rokh, for example (to satisfy all those Caldari users) takes 14,557,790 (Fourteen Million, Five Hundred Fifty Seven Thousand, Seven Hundred and Ninety) Tritanium to build, before skills. An Iteron Mark V can hold about 3,000,000 (Three Million)Tritanium.
So, to move enough Tritanium with an Iteron Mark V to build a Rokh will take about 4.85 (rounded up to 5) trips. So depending on how many jumps you need to go, this can take a really long time.
With Tritanium being the most common Mineral, you would think that someone would come up with a way to compress the Tritanium so that it takes up less M^3. (Meters Cubed)
So what I suggest is one or two things:
1: Make it so that Tritanium takes up half as much space (from 0.01m^3 to 0.005m^3) so that it is actually time efficient to move Tritanium. Because, lets admit, we all don't have hours on end to move Minerals.
2: Make a module or a station resource that you can use to compress Tritanium and maybe other low end Minerals.
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2007.08.19 08:04:00 -
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Heaven forbid you should find some intelligent way of having others move that trit for you.
That would just be too difficult.
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Arngorf
Minmatar Mah Jongg Factories
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Posted - 2007.08.19 08:05:00 -
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nothing is wrong.. working as intended.. taking time! ________________________________________________ FORMER!!! I said FORMER Pirate...
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Nathomos
Minmatar Crimson Fists
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Posted - 2007.08.19 08:05:00 -
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I know I wish Eve had ships with massive cargo holds designed to carry huge amounts of items...they could call them freighters! OWAIT
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Silas Genovese
The Silent Rage R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.08.19 08:06:00 -
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People already use certain modules to compress trit and other minerals. (passive targeters anyone?)
Plus, the Rorqual will be able to compress ore (though it might only be able to be flown in lowsec/nosec).
Silas
p.s.- the compression modules are getting nerfed or so I hear.
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MISS Omber
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Posted - 2007.08.19 08:06:00 -
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you would think in the space ages and **** they could have a reverse graviton field that makes the trits mass down to 0. By reversing the polarity of the of the SL modified, anti heterosexual beam, and projecting it through a small quartz glass filled with a Greme's saliva, the result should make the trits mass down to 0. But be careful, in turn the heterosexual beam is in FACT A HOMOSEXUAL BEAM :O, the resulting reprecussions will make the trits mass OVER NINE THHHHHHHHHHHHHHOUSSSSSSSSSSSSSSANNNNNNNNNDDDDDDDDD
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Alski
Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.19 08:06:00 -
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You got to the party late The ORE capital ship will do ore (but not mineral) compression, which will reduce hauling in mining ops greatley, while CCP will actuley be nurfing the current player implemented form of mineral compression, of which there is a huge thread here discussing the changes talked about in CCP Chronotis's devblog here, i sugest you have a read. -
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Flaavie
Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.08.19 08:09:00 -
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Specture
Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.08.19 08:10:00 -
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WHAT?!?!?! NINE THOUSAND!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Mega Thong
Caldari Innocent Until Proven Guilty
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Posted - 2007.08.19 08:12:00 -
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Originally by: Nathomos I know I wish Eve had ships with massive cargo holds designed to carry huge amounts of items...they could call them freighters! OWAIT
OWAIT to move it with a Freighter, depending on how many jumps you need to move it, it will take the same or more time. Because the FREIGHTER TAKES SO LONG TO ALIGN AND WARP.
oh, and not everyone has time to train for them when they are busy training industrial skills!!
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Civil Blood
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2007.08.19 08:13:00 -
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aUTOKILL
Gallente Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.08.19 08:17:00 -
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Originally by: Specture WHAT?!?!?! NINE THOUSAND!!!!!!!!!!!!
z0mg it's over nine thooooousand!!
/emote runs and hides ~~~~~~
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Basileus
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Posted - 2007.08.19 08:21:00 -
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Not signed. You have to put in some work before you can collect the cash.
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Fester Addams
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.08.19 08:22:00 -
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Anyone heard of Freighters?
True I would love to see the current freighters bumped upp to become big sister freighters and there be introduced little sister ones with... say 100.000m3 cargo but untill then sadly you have to go for the big one.
Naturally there are betetr ways to ship minerals, oddly enough when you build some items from minerals the finished prodict is alot smaller than the raw materials. I supose EvE manufacturers are using the same technology that allows an item to be bigger on the inside, cant seem to recall what its called now but...
Anyhow, if you have perfect refining skills you can actually build certain items, haul them and crunch them at the other end at a very small loss rate. This has been used for ages by mining and 0.0 corps to haul huge volumes of minerals. I think there is some dev blog out about upping the loss but I have not heard anything indicating this would be an exploit.
Personally Im about to move 118.503.000 units of minerals. At 0.01m3 each that comes to 1.285.030m3 of minerals, I wonder if I can manage that in one go with my freighter (and yes that lot is for one ship).
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MISS Omber
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Posted - 2007.08.19 08:23:00 -
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Originally by: Basileus Not signed. You have to put in some work before you can collect the cash.
but, but, but, think of the antigravtron reverse polarity fields that have no home, you are probably one of the evil doers in eve that want it to go OVER NINE THHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHOUSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
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Nathomos
Minmatar Crimson Fists
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Posted - 2007.08.19 08:23:00 -
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Originally by: Mega Thong
Originally by: Nathomos I know I wish Eve had ships with massive cargo holds designed to carry huge amounts of items...they could call them freighters! OWAIT
OWAIT to move it with a Freighter, depending on how many jumps you need to move it, it will take the same or more time. Because the FREIGHTER TAKES SO LONG TO ALIGN AND WARP.
oh, and not everyone has time to train for them when they are busy training industrial skills!!
Well to fly a freighter at reasonable speeds you have to train the skills to speed it up, but you're right, that isn't a good solution because who wants to train skills and have to wait?? This really needs to be fixed!
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Mega Thong
Caldari Innocent Until Proven Guilty
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Posted - 2007.08.19 08:37:00 -
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Edited by: Mega Thong on 19/08/2007 08:41:39
Originally by: Nathomos
Originally by: Mega Thong
Originally by: Nathomos I know I wish Eve had ships with massive cargo holds designed to carry huge amounts of items...they could call them freighters! OWAIT
OWAIT to move it with a Freighter, depending on how many jumps you need to move it, it will take the same or more time. Because the FREIGHTER TAKES SO LONG TO ALIGN AND WARP.
oh, and not everyone has time to train for them when they are busy training industrial skills!!
Well to fly a freighter at reasonable speeds you have to train the skills to speed it up, but you're right, that isn't a good solution because who wants to train skills and have to wait?? This really needs to be fixed!
Exactly! See, you agree with me, we must fix the Tritanium so that people may spend their time on their Industrial skills so they don't have to waste any time to train for a useless Freighter.
EDIT: and yes, it is OVER 9,000!!! (Nine thousand)
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Jonathos
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Posted - 2007.08.19 08:45:00 -
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Freighters are far from useless
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T Than
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Posted - 2007.08.19 08:56:00 -
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Originally by: Mega Thong Edited by: Mega Thong on 19/08/2007 08:41:39
Originally by: Nathomos
Originally by: Mega Thong
Originally by: Nathomos I know I wish Eve had ships with massive cargo holds designed to carry huge amounts of items...they could call them freighters! OWAIT
OWAIT to move it with a Freighter, depending on how many jumps you need to move it, it will take the same or more time. Because the FREIGHTER TAKES SO LONG TO ALIGN AND WARP.
oh, and not everyone has time to train for them when they are busy training industrial skills!!
Well to fly a freighter at reasonable speeds you have to train the skills to speed it up, but you're right, that isn't a good solution because who wants to train skills and have to wait?? This really needs to be fixed!
Exactly! See, you agree with me, we must fix the Tritanium so that people may spend their time on their Industrial skills so they don't have to waste any time to train for a useless Freighter.
EDIT: and yes, it is OVER 9,000!!! (Nine thousand)
i'd bet he wasn't agreeing with you, he was making fun of you. and i really dont think you noticed lol
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William Walker
Amarr Interplanetary Mechanics
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Posted - 2007.08.19 10:11:00 -
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On a side note: Mega Thong is a silly name for a pilot. ________________________________________________
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2007.08.19 10:17:00 -
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Originally by: Fester Addams Personally Im about to move 118.503.000 units of minerals. At 0.01m3 each that comes to 1.285.030m3 of minerals, I wonder if I can manage that in one go with my freighter (and yes that lot is for one ship).
I am not in-game to check details but I think your math is missing somewhere.
I say that because I know for a fact my Charon moves ~94 million mineral units in one go. a maxed out Charon would be something like 98.6 million units (I forget exatcly but that is the largest cargo hold in the game).
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Hannobaal
Gallente Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.08.19 10:30:00 -
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Edited by: Hannobaal on 19/08/2007 10:30:37 Two words:
Passive targeters
An Iteron III with 3 tech 2 cargo expanders can be made to carry around 28 million units of Tritanium that way. The Iteron V in your example could carry 75 million units. ------------------
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000Hunter000
Gallente Magners Marauders
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Posted - 2007.08.19 10:33:00 -
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Originally by: Hannobaal Edited by: Hannobaal on 19/08/2007 10:30:37 Two words:
Passive targeters
An Iteron III with 3 tech 2 cargo expanders can be made to carry around 28 million units of Tritanium that way. The Iteron V in your example could carry 75 million units.
But arn't mods that have a huge compression ratio to be nerfed?
CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!! Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
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Brutor Shaun
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Posted - 2007.08.19 11:01:00 -
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Mine the ****in' stuff in the system you're building in. No need to move it then!
Or, to save a bit of time in transit try using cargo rigs, expanders, and giant containers.
My Mastodon with skills at lvl 4, 2 x cargo rigs, 5 x T2 expanders, and 9 x giant containers, can carry 37,342.6 m3 or 3,734,260 units of trit. This takes you down to 4 runs per Rokh.
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Hannobaal
Gallente Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.08.19 11:05:00 -
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They were planning to make it so that you only get (with highest refinery skill and the best facilities) only 80% of the minerals back when you reprocess, unlike now when you can get pretty much 100% back. It seems they've changed their mind and pushed the change to the future instead of next patch though. ------------------
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Kylar Renpurs
Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2007.08.19 11:06:00 -
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What about building a capital, cynoing it to wherever you need it, then doing a perfect reprocess on it and all it's components?
Improve Market Competition!
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Thargat
Caldari S-44
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Posted - 2007.08.19 11:07:00 -
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you can always aid the Freighter with a tackler or two and it'll run even faster
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Theo Samaritan
Gallente Galactic Savings and Investments
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Posted - 2007.08.19 11:14:00 -
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My itty 5 can hold 4.8million. thats enough for me.
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Major Stormer
Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.08.19 13:02:00 -
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Rafein
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Posted - 2007.08.19 13:35:00 -
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WHy do people always choose to do things the most difficult way, then complain things are difficult?
To build a Rokh, all you need to do is haul everything else to where the Trit is. Which can be done in 2 runs, one if you really push.
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