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Lucius Ventrue
Minmatar
Resurrection
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:39:00 -
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Friday night, the start of a weekend... I log in shortly after work to find myself a gang of 20 friendlyÆs looking for some direction early. Situation stood @ 16 Pandemic Legion, mostly recon/hac harassing core most of the day, light goon presence visiting about every 4 hours with the occasional light/fast TCF gang reinforcing when needed. This required a strong presence showing we would not stand for roaming ganks without some work.
I quickly requested on coms for additional people to prod their corpmates, get them in gang and began forming at a POS. While the conventional ship gang started arriving at a RISE POS, a request was made to have all avail capital ship pilots to log in and get to a POS; Scouts were sent out to YY, PO, Gates in RIT (GHZ/5P) and one pilot positioned on the Station, to give clear for pilots to undock. Troops began to mount up and add to our current gang, impressively growing to 40 in a matter of 15min.
Orders were sent over TS and gang to move to optimal on P8 gate, as I launched a Large Warp Disruptor Bubble just under the gate to reinforce our position in RIT. The goal was simple, suppression of current enemy forces in core, leaving them a deadly exit alternative and denial of any forces coming into RIT.
I log in around 21:00 evetime Friday, August 17th... Assume control of the active gang. Direction was given for fleet requirements and forces began mounting at the gate, a friendly gang that would grow to a little over 70 friendly support, 8 capital ships (5 Thantos, 1 Moros, 2 Arcons). All forces pulled into sphere tactic, 20km sphere, which heavy capitals in middle, bs/bc on outsides, close support swarming around waiting to pounce on anything that got near. Our group roughly 84km from the gate, monitoring the large bubble that had been put in place. Over 20min passed with no action short of a friendly that got jumped jumping into RIT at a gate, before fast support could get to him (one up for Pandemic Legion Recon/HAC gang that had been in core most of the day).
More time passed as I received word of Digital Fury Alliance mentioning if we were bored, they had some action up in North Feythabolis. Their situation on secure channels put 70 hostiles poised in their system, pounding on the ZS-Cynojammer. Formal request was sent to see if we could assist and seeing how we did not have much resistance with the fleet we had assembled as Pandemic Legion had gone to the shadows, not so much as even de-cloaking and giving any position on them. I began to update the group on our possible withdraw from the P8 gate and movement to DFC land with possible bridge from RIT area to ZS if it could be negotiated with bob. Few min pass, while gathering intel on what ships I would need to bring to the ZS bash, I receive word that a 25man, mostly light TFC gang was headed down our pipe. DFC is informed and we go back to situation as normal camping with our current fleet. A short time passes and intel reports the 25 TCF gang @ 0 bubble on RIT gate in P8, jumping a scout into RIT. Friendly sniper group calls ready to neutralize the scout threat as orders are sent for light fast (inty) to blaze over to the gate and tackle the inc. The TCF scout de-cloaks and makes a break back to the gate, Inty support closes the gap, tackles and snipers do their thing, scout dead, but more than enough time to get a glimpse of what we got. The TCF gang holds steady on the gate, not showing their intension to move.
RISE Fleet Commander & Resurrection Military Director |
Lucius Ventrue
Minmatar
Resurrection
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:40:00 -
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Minutes pass and an ally request for an update on our situation. We continue to wait for another 15min, with no more jump ins. I decide to inform the gang that we are being summoned to assist an ally. After broadcasting this our gang goes from 74 to 59, losing some of the European contingent that had been on for most of the day and knew that a DFC / CA-Goon tussle would last more than a few hours. The order to move capitals off grid was given and I moved my alt into position to remove the large bubble, to allow our BS fleet to get right to the gate.
The request for all heavy support / support to stay in current position 84km off gate was given as people switched ships and protected the bubble from going down. The bubble drops, gets scoped and the alt aligns/warps for station. What happens next is the start of one of the most deadly battles rise has ever seen as an alliance.
TCF does the unthinkable and jumps in with their simi light (25) gang and begins to engage our defense sphere, as Pandemic Legion (16 pilots) contingent de-cloaks near our position and begins to tear into our defenses. Primaries began to get called, support is called back to the bubble to protect any incoming light ships/tacklers, snipers are given their primary/secondary targets. Capital ship request are asked to get back on grid and start focusing on their primary/secondary targets with sentryÆs/drone/fighter support repping who they could based on broadcast system.
First on scene is Tarentino in his Thantos, dishing out drones and focusing on the hostiles trying to pin him down. By this time the enemy had at least 4 dictors dropping bubbles on our fleet along with trying to pick off the folks stretching out of the bubble (folks were gliding out of the 20km bubble we had established). Shortly into the fight, (which was looking to go very in good to our favor, not by k/d ratio, more with our ability to withstand the fight that was ensuing) a report of 40 goon in YY are making best speed to our core. Figuring this is why the TCF gang jumped in and suppress till help arrived was purely their agenda.
TarentinoÆs tank at this time was starting to fail and request for additional capital ships were given. The request was heard loud and clear as most of our support fleet was starting to get picked off by the goons that made it down the pipe and jumped into RIT, local now near 165, 75 friendly, 90 hostile, lag was still bearable, but starting to get noticeable by all. By this time Tarentino was getting into hull, before several capital ships started repping him back to full armor. RISE support using gridloads began to warp in @ 400, establish contacts, call primaries and destroy the enemy force slowly one by one as the capital ships were keeping each other repaired / balanced. Even though by this time several friendly support had lost ships, most of us in our second or third ship, reports over TS and commands stayed solid. The count in local was dropping, down to 132, lots of enemy wrecks and friendly alike, capitals all good at the time, all full armor, few tanking only shield. Still constant reports flowing in about groups of 3, 5, 2, 5 à slowly adding to the fun we were having in RIT at the p8 gate. Over an hour (which seems like min) pass during this, when the word is broadcasted over gang and coms. YY blowing up, up to 70, 80, 99 goon/RAà TS fall silent for a sec, could we take this group? We were slowly eating away at everything they threw at us so far, loosing more ships then them at the time, but we did have the home field advantage where we could continue to get into ships. Capital ships were not in immediate danger and tanking everything they were dishing out.
RISE Fleet Commander & Resurrection Military Director |
Scavok
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:40:00 -
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welp
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Lucius Ventrue
Minmatar
Resurrection
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:40:00 -
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The word was given to began focusing on the EW that was focused on the capital ships, Dampers, ECM; support began to focus on these as the impending LAGfest of doom drew closer. First target, an arazu, melted under heavy fire by coordinated attack, next a Pilgrim, then another Pilgrim, when all of the sudden local balloons to 220, 250, 307à. TS statement is made, àlocal is over 300, we might want to plan an exit strat. Our only option at the time due to the constant bubbles were to continue and kill the EW that were on the capitals, without them, the capitals could sustain even the nasty behemoth that had dropped on top of them. (8 capitals all remote repping each other can statistically withstand an absolute ***ton of DPS if only coming from conventional sources)
Grid loads were continued to be used, but this time, it was a constant frame by frame situation. TS orders were given to have everyone load recon only overviews, enter grid in map mode, zoomed out, anything to actually load grid and not die before youÆre loaded. This worked somewhat, but now with over 200 hostiles, nearly 100 friendlyÆs the situation started to look questionable. We were not loading grid fast enough before the group would be targeted and die. Lag was killing any and all of our efforts to focus on the EW. We continued, losing several friendly ships in this action of trying to get any sort of advantage through the lag, first in heavy snipers/light support then switching to ECM only ships, by if only jamming the EW that was pointed on the Carriers. All efforts failed, collectively we could not load grid fast enough, sometimes taking more than 5min to load, only to find you dead 1sec later in the station. Ship shields/armor and hull + pod gone in an instant.
Capitals continued to kill and tank nearly an hour longer, support unable to suppress the 200+ pressed on them. Coms through this were very calm, commendable considering the situation. The game had let us down, the plan executed near flawless by our pilots, insured a no doubt victory even given the odds pressed against us, the server unfortunately could not deliver in our request to defend. The tactic was simple; neutralize any threat of ECM on the capitals that would be preventing them from supporting each other. Support while paying a heavy cost with several ships, would suppress their effort to deny the capitals from targeting. They were their purely to be used as a damage soak and dish out the splash damage they could with drones.
One by one, the mighty capital fleet that had put such a strong presence on the battlefield, soaking what would be considered millions of damage started to fall, one after each other. Doing exactly what they were designed to do, control and own the battlefield, through immense dps brought down on them, they stood for nearly 2 hours with nearly no other support besides their own, 8 brave pilots and soldiers placing these alliance assets in the heat of the battle. You have done the eve community justice, even through a defeat through server load/lag, you all proved battle, tactics and teamwork can hold up a capital fleet against heavy odds when this game functions properly.
It was a simple equation, even with enemy numerical superiority if lag was not felt by all, the losses would have been greater for both sides. Who knowÆs who would have one the final outcome, but one thing is for sure there would have been additional hours of fighting that night.
This started as a great fight and had an unfortunate ending for us, would I change anything? Probably not, even though this one story does not solve nor clarify the lag issue we all have problems with, but it does add a new element to even planning with use of capitals on grid.
Good execution from TCF, RA/goon for the rapid follow up to add the numbers needed for continued suppression. I imagine there will be several more epic battles from our sides.
LetÆs make history
RISE Fleet Commander & Resurrection Military Director |
SWAT Kat
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:41:00 -
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Double welp 
Try Mine, It's bigger than his :p |
WT Snacks
Anonymous Legionnaires
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:44:00 -
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I already posted it for you.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=577373&page=15
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Dominixa
Slacker Industries
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:52:00 -
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Geesh sounds like an exciting fight except the superblob. Always remember if Pandemic is around they will do their MWD Range/Support killing games.
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Wesley Baird
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:55:00 -
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Good battle report!
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Shadoo
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:09:00 -
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Edited by: Shadoo on 21/08/2007 15:10:00
While lag was noticable towards the end, take it from a tackling nanohac that kept 2 of the thanatos pinned down from start to finish -- it wasn't as bad as you make it out to be. It seemed mostly client-side due to wrecks + drones -- module activation was ok.
It seemed to me like an effort to throw everything + kitchen sink to the gate in a show of force on Friday. Parading caps around the gate like that gets you what you asked for -- everyone and their brother scrambling for easy pickings.
It was a good fight, but pulling the lag card again shows you either inexperienced in these types of engagements or trying to cover your mistakes. The moment your caps got tackled on the gate by PL/TCF with Goon main force moving in from 7 jumps was the moment you lost them.
Anyway, hats off to the caps that came back to help one left behind.
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Exus
R.U.S.T.
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:11:00 -
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Exellent battle report !
Thanks for the read ! 
Congrats to the Red side.
òò
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Papa Ina
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:15:00 -
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Edited by: Papa Ina on 21/08/2007 15:15:10
Edited by: Papa Ina on 21/08/2007 15:14:53
repost 
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NO BRAKES
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:17:00 -
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 Originally by: Dominixa
Geesh sounds like an exciting fight except the superblob. Always remember if Pandemic is around they will do their MWD Range/Support killing games.
Who had the superblob?
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Local Her0
Minmatar
La Mancha Corp
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:20:00 -
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Edited by: Local Her0 on 21/08/2007 15:22:16
Originally by: NO BRAKES
Originally by: Dominixa
Geesh sounds like an exciting fight except the superblob. Always remember if Pandemic is around they will do their MWD Range/Support killing games.
Who had the superblob?
its me - i am the superblob in the op
edit: very nice battlereport !
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Papa Ina
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:22:00 -
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Then again I guess it's fair enough to repost this if you want to distract from the fact it was leaked onto the forums already. Maybe your pilots will think it was supposed to be posted and won't notice?
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Lucius Ventrue
Minmatar
Resurrection
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: Shadoo
Edited by: Shadoo on 21/08/2007 15:10:00
While lag was noticeable towards the end, take it from a tackling nanohac that kept 2 of the thanatos pinned down from start to finish -- it wasn't as bad as you make it out to be. It seemed mostly client-side due to wrecks + drones -- module activation was ok.
It seemed to me like an effort to throw everything + kitchen sink to the gate in a show of force on Friday. Parading caps around the gate like that gets you what you asked for -- everyone and their brother scrambling for easy pickings.
It was a good fight, but pulling the lag card again shows you either inexperienced in these types of engagements or trying to cover your mistakes. The moment your caps got tackled on the gate by PL/TCF with Goon main force moving in from 7 jumps was the moment you lost them.
Anyway, hats off to the caps that came back to help one left behind.
Its not about pulling a lag card, load times were 5+ min for some when we were coming into grid. I know both sides have had this issue before in other fights. This time it was our side with respects when trying to come on grid. While youÆre already on grid and loaded, you maybe experiencing limited playability, folks warping in are dead in the water. Such is life with this game, lessons learned.
Let me make something clear. The word Desync was not used on TS, nor did I experience it. The game was functioning, lag (clicking actions) was severely diminished, to the point of non-playable for most of us trying to reload grid on several occasions. This is where the separation of playing a game and loosing to an enemy and loosing to the game are different.
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Dominixa
Slacker Industries
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: NO BRAKES
Originally by: Dominixa
Geesh sounds like an exciting fight except the superblob. Always remember if Pandemic is around they will do their MWD Range/Support killing games.
Who had the superblob?
Well at least your troll is wearing the correct ticker... Think about this one.
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Lucius Ventrue
Minmatar
Resurrection
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:28:00 -
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Edited by: Lucius Ventrue on 21/08/2007 15:29:03
Originally by: Papa Ina
Then again I guess it's fair enough to repost this if you want to distract from the fact it was leaked onto the forums already. Maybe your pilots will think it was supposed to be posted and won't notice?
if you look at the time it was posted and the time i posted their nearly exact.
so either I leaked it preemptively in the SOV4 post or the spy in my alliance and I have uncanny timing 
RISE Fleet Commander & Resurrection Military Director |
Local Her0
Minmatar
La Mancha Corp
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: Papa Ina
Then again I guess it's fair enough to repost this if you want to distract from the fact it was leaked onto the forums already. Maybe your pilots will think it was supposed to be posted and won't notice?
rise promised to put a battlereport up on eve-o, so
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Jomin Herdsy
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:34:00 -
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Another note you should add to your battle assessment, RISE: If you had sent not just 7 but maybe 4 or 5 more capitals, you might have scared us away. Something to think about next time... |
ForumPosterAlt
HERRO KITTY
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:34:00 -
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I'd start suing to become paying customers to TCF if I were you.
Because posting on the forums is serious business. |
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Yoshizuki Iori
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:36:00 -
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Lag will always be a factor in any large scale engagement for all parties involved and must be accounted for. The problem wasn't lag per se but more the issue of an incompetent FC who placed multiple cap ships in a situation in which they deserved to die.
Pandemic Legion / TCF / Goons simply performed our role to bring about the inevitable end.
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Kiriz Zule
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: Dominixa
Originally by: NO BRAKES
Originally by: Dominixa
Geesh sounds like an exciting fight except the superblob. Always remember if Pandemic is around they will do their MWD Range/Support killing games.
Who had the superblob?
Well at least your troll is wearing the correct ticker... Think about this one.
Though about it. 70 Rise including 8 caps against 16 -10's... I think Rise brought the superblob.
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WT Snacks
Anonymous Legionnaires
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: Lucius Ventrue
Edited by: Lucius Ventrue on 21/08/2007 15:29:03
Originally by: Papa Ina
Then again I guess it's fair enough to repost this if you want to distract from the fact it was leaked onto the forums already. Maybe your pilots will think it was supposed to be posted and won't notice?
if you look at the time it was posted and the time i posted their nearly exact.
so either I leaked it preemptively in the SOV4 post or the spy in my alliance and I have uncanny timing
If it were not RISE, I'd believe you. But seeing as RISE is known for obscuring facts and lying to it's members, I'll pass.
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Lucius Ventrue
Minmatar
Resurrection
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:45:00 -
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Originally by: WT Snacks
Originally by: Lucius Ventrue
Edited by: Lucius Ventrue on 21/08/2007 15:29:03
Originally by: Papa Ina
Then again I guess it's fair enough to repost this if you want to distract from the fact it was leaked onto the forums already. Maybe your pilots will think it was supposed to be posted and won't notice?
if you look at the time it was posted and the time i posted their nearly exact.
so either I leaked it preemptively in the SOV4 post or the spy in my alliance and I have uncanny timing
If it were not RISE, I'd believe you. But seeing as RISE is known for obscuring facts and lying to it's members, I'll pass.
The irony coming from someone in "Anonymous Legionnaires" ?
RISE Fleet Commander & Resurrection Military Director |
Johnfromshipping
Butcherbirds
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:53:00 -
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Originally by: Lucius Ventrue
if you look at the time it was posted and the time i posted their nearly exact.
so either I leaked it preemptively in the SOV4 post or the spy in my alliance and I have uncanny timing
It was leaked long before either of these posts where made on Eve-O.
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WT Snacks
Anonymous Legionnaires
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:55:00 -
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Originally by: Lucius Ventrue
Originally by: WT Snacks
Originally by: Lucius Ventrue
Edited by: Lucius Ventrue on 21/08/2007 15:29:03
Originally by: Papa Ina
Then again I guess it's fair enough to repost this if you want to distract from the fact it was leaked onto the forums already. Maybe your pilots will think it was supposed to be posted and won't notice?
if you look at the time it was posted and the time i posted their nearly exact.
so either I leaked it preemptively in the SOV4 post or the spy in my alliance and I have uncanny timing
If it were not RISE, I'd believe you. But seeing as RISE is known for obscuring facts and lying to it's members, I'll pass.
The irony coming from someone in "Anonymous Legionnaires" ?
A one man CAOD troll corp? Kind of hard to lie to your members when you don't have any.
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La Vittoria
5punkorp
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:57:00 -
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Nice write up
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Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:06:00 -
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Thanks for a fun fight RISE.
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Vile rat
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:14:00 -
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Welping ITT.
Welp.
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Papa Ina
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Lucius Ventrue
Edited by: Lucius Ventrue on 21/08/2007 15:29:03
Originally by: Papa Ina
Then again I guess it's fair enough to repost this if you want to distract from the fact it was leaked onto the forums already. Maybe your pilots will think it was supposed to be posted and won't notice?
if you look at the time it was posted and the time i posted their nearly exact.
so either I leaked it preemptively in the SOV4 post or the spy in my alliance and I have uncanny timing
Well, since I read it on our forums atleast 10-15 minutes before it appeared in the sov4 thread leaked a goon alt. I think I'll just go ahead and call you on that.
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