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Nocturnal Avenger
The Ankou
The Reckoning.
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Posted - 2007.08.24 21:33:00 -
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Edited by: Nocturnal Avenger on 24/08/2007 21:35:25
Apoc for worst pvp BS
1: I actually came to that conclusion before reading the other posts
2: it's so ugly, you have to avert your eyes from the screen - and that leads to bad pvp :P
Edit: ForeverKnight [post 29] just revealed at least one out-of-the-box idea for the scorpion a corp member of mine has used 
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ForeverKnight
Caldari
World Order
The Imperial Order
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Posted - 2007.08.24 21:42:00 -
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Right now the worst battleship is the Apocalypse. With the prevalence of Cap Boosters and Nos, there is no place for a battleship which can perma-run a double (or triple with rigs) armor repper tank. Also, in a time long ago and far away, it was the only battleship with 8 turret slots for mining.
The problem isn't that its a bad ship, its that it has no role in present day EVE.
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eVeKiSs
United Alliance
Coalition Of Empires
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Posted - 2007.08.24 22:01:00 -
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Yup I have to say Apocalypse sucks in PVP now, I tried to find a good fitting for it to take it for a pvp run instead of taking my Abaddon or Armageddon but I cant since I cant find anything to do with it, Abaddon better tank and Geddon better damage, Apoc better in what?
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Alexander Knott
Ars ex Discordia
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.24 22:03:00 -
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Edited by: Alexander Knott on 24/08/2007 22:03:28
 Originally by: ForeverKnight
Edited by: ForeverKnight on 24/08/2007 21:24:20
If you think the Scorpion sucks you have no imagination. One of the best uses I've seen for it is to put an _insane_ shield tank on it, and plate the lowslots. If you're in a gang of 10 people, you will always be called primary and then it'll take them 5 minutes to kill you while the rest of the gang pwns. Also with good-perfect skills the ECM "nerf" becomes an ECM buff for dedicated ECM ships.
That only works if the opposing FC is a moron. Most FCs will see that the ship is tanked and switch primaries. Might buy you some time, but you give up a ship to pull it off. A lot of FCs don't even primary Scorps anymore due to the possibility of this tactic and the downside of a jammer Scorp not being that big a deal in larger fights.
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente
Cheers Restaurant and Bar
Coalition Of Empires
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Posted - 2007.08.24 22:25:00 -
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Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 24/08/2007 22:27:08
Originally by: 6Bagheera9
Typhoon just needs mad skillz in order to shine. It could use its base armor and shield HPs switched though.
Isn't the Typhoon a Boundless Creations ship?
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Boundless Creation's ships are based on the Brutor tribe's philosophy of warfare: simply fit as much firepower onto your ship as possible. Defense systems and electronics arrays therefore take a back seat to sheer annihilative potential.
That would imply the lows are really for damage and speed mods, the mids are intended for a modest HP buffer passive tank, a MWD and a scram - maybe. You wouldn't want the HP swapped if you fly it like that.
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NoNah
Unseen University
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Posted - 2007.08.24 22:49:00 -
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Apoc
Typhoon is decent, scorpion is great.
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infraX
Caldari
Endgame.
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.08.24 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Hmmm...
Hype: Awesome tank, decent gank
Mega: Awesome gank, decent tank
Domi: Awesome tank, bad gank, and WTFBBQIMBA Nos.
Rokh: AWESOME tank, ok gank, and excellent sniper
Raven: WTFBBQIMBA PVE. Pretty bad in PVE, but ok as an armor tanker
Scorpion: WTF? Its awesome if you fit it right. I've won numerous engagements with a scorpion by my side (because of the scorpion).
Mael: Excellent tank, pretty good gank
Pest: eeeexccllleeent ship.
Phoon: Its the fastest battleship.. and you say it sucks? O_o
Abbadon: Excellent tank and gank. Has cap issues. =(
Apoc: Uh... overwhelmingly my choice for crappy battleship of the year award
Geddon: Pretty darn good gank, uh, pretty poor tank tho.
Just my personal opinions. I start to get hazy around certain Minnie BS and Amarr BS.
Liang
Dominix? Bad gank?
The Dominix can gank better than the megathron, obviously forsaking the rest of the setup, but you did say gank.
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Liang Nuren
The Refugees
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Posted - 2007.08.24 23:04:00 -
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Originally by: infraX
Dominix? Bad gank?
The Dominix can gank better than the megathron, obviously forsaking the rest of the setup, but you did say gank.
 Hmm, its true. I was assuming something of a "balanced" setup.
Liang
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ForeverKnight
Caldari
World Order
The Imperial Order
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Posted - 2007.08.24 23:35:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Alexander Knott
Edited by: Alexander Knott on 24/08/2007 22:03:28
Originally by: ForeverKnight
Edited by: ForeverKnight on 24/08/2007 21:24:20
If you think the Scorpion sucks you have no imagination. One of the best uses I've seen for it is to put an _insane_ shield tank on it, and plate the lowslots. If you're in a gang of 10 people, you will always be called primary and then it'll take them 5 minutes to kill you while the rest of the gang pwns. Also with good-perfect skills the ECM "nerf" becomes an ECM buff for dedicated ECM ships.
That only works if the opposing FC is a moron. Most FCs will see that the ship is tanked and switch primaries. Might buy you some time, but you give up a ship to pull it off. A lot of FCs don't even primary Scorps anymore due to the possibility of this tactic and the downside of a jammer Scorp not being that big a deal in larger fights.
Exactly the reason I'm posting this tactic. Someone thought out of the box, and others copied. The point being, 8 midslots is a _lot_ of midslots for out-of-the-box thinking. So the Scorpion can't possibly be a bad ship for its role.
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Altarn Ramos
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Posted - 2007.08.25 00:01:00 -
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Out_of_the Box is right... Thats what the Apoc Needs. This idea came to me as noob without large turret Skills a long time ago... The Bonus of the Apoc is cap related, and although it cant match up with a Real logistic Ship... It can be better tanked than one... Set yourself up with some Cap rechargers and maybe an overdrive or 2, Fill the highs with whatever type of logistic you want... and use it as a in combat rally for smaller ships... Keep in mind im 100% newbish and do crazy stupid things with expensive ships, but hey... thats what free will is about... But i have saved many friends with that floating Capacitor Battery everyone calls the Worst BS in the game.... How many other BS have a cap based Bonus? Hows that for out of the box?? (Let um rip... I already know im a newb so lets hear it) Feedback will be appreciated
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Robberts
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.08.25 00:21:00 -
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Originally by: 6Bagheera9
Typhoon just needs mad skillz in order to shine. It could use its base armor and shield HPs switched though.
Mad Skillz? hardly. the Typhoon is amazing with around 6-8+ million, not too bad in the 4-6mill range, and usable (though probably not really worth it) at 3mill. It can PvP with the best of them, and split weapons systems can be quite effective while ratting. its usable drone bay also gives it a bit more Umph that it might otherwise have. 5xOgre IIs make short work of ... well, just about anything, and the ship can mount 4x noss, 4x cruise launchers and sustain a dual LAR tank indefinitely.
The Scorpion has 8 mid slots. EIGHT. Theres a reason they get primary a lot. Nuff said.
Apoc wins.
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ReePeR McAllem
The Carebear Stare
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Posted - 2007.08.25 00:25:00 -
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The 4 seige 4 heavy nos, dual rep phoon is a nasty peice of work, that is until the new nos nerf comes out.
The op was slightly wrong on this one. Ofc the phoon is a lower rated bs without skills. But skills should always be factored into the equasion.
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Mzilikazi
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Posted - 2007.08.25 01:54:00 -
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Scorpion's sole remaining uses are:
a) Stand-off jamming in fleets (very hazardous occupation)
b) Jamming in a camp situation at any range (a Falcon or Rook would be more fun and do the same job)
Scorpion probably gets primaried more than any other BS out there in a fleet situation, for that reason alone it has got to be the worst BS. Its a death trap.
Yeah, I know that if you fit it right it can be very useful, but it does rubbish damage for a "Battleship" and it also cant tank properly - at least not without gimping that primary ECM role. Also you can't solo in it , nor would you want to rat in it when a raven will do that job so much better. That leaves camping and fleets. Ok I'll concede that it can be fun to camp in. Once upon a time before the ECM nerf it was good at its job, now it is no more than adequate - its ECM value can be better provided by a Rook or Falcon which in my opinion would be more fun. Also at considerable risk it can provide very useful stand-off jamming support for camping or sniper fleet situations especially where you have higher numbers and range on your side.
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AnKahn
Caldari
Dark Star LTD
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Posted - 2007.08.25 02:14:00 -
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Scorpion is fun to rat in. Which says more about ratting than it says about the Scorp. With a Raven the head hits the keyboard too much.
8 mids is real fun to play with. You do get primaried a lot, probabaly an old reflex. But DPS sponge works, but really only with dim FCs. Hopefully they don't read the forums.
Don't know any other race well enough yet to have an opinion about the others.
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smoogie
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2007.08.25 17:17:00 -
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Tally now
Apoc - 11
Typhoon - 2
Scorpion - 2
Looks like the Apoc is "winning".
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Vengarioth Skullshanks
Minmatar
Victims of Confusion
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.08.25 17:41:00 -
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Yeah Apoc has not much going on for it tbh. So i would say Apoc is the worst of all BS. There's some specialized setups that work but all in all it's lacking.
Phoon is really cool once you have mastered the ship. Of course if you don't have the skills it's a little bit anemic.
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Gabriel Karade
Nulli-Secundus
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Posted - 2007.08.25 18:08:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Xequecal
The Typhoon does less DPS than the friggin Apocalypse and has a far worse tank. 4 ACs and 4 siege launchers eats up pretty much all of its powergrid, so you have to downgrade to 650mm ACs and cruise missiles just to be able to fit anything else.
It needs grid rigs for a gank fit and therefore it can't passive tank with plates and trimarks. Plus its armor HP is ridiculously low to start out with. It can't active tank at all, no grid for reppers + MWD + injector.
4 dual 425 II
4 siege II
ab II
faint warp prohibitor (20k)
web
medium electrochemical injector
large rep II
internal force field array
explosive hardener II
kinetic hardener II
n-type thermic hardener
energized adaptive nano membrane II
1600mm rolled tungsten
^ courtesy of an old mate long since lost to WoW and the dreaded 'girlfriend' module (Tech2 I think) 
It works a treat, and now you can rig it up for xXx lub 
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Shevar
Minmatar
A.W.M
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.08.25 18:14:00 -
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Apoc hands down, in the days of old (back when I quited in 2004) the apoc had the following things going for it:
-Huge cap, not an issue anymore with CCC rigs being the only non stacking nerfed to death rigs.
-8 Turret slots so it could mine good, specialized mining vessels have been released since then as well as the introduction of the rokh and the abbadon.
So basically you end up with a very redundant ship.
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Ay'Not Sivad
Minmatar
D-L
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Posted - 2007.08.25 18:37:00 -
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are you kidding me about the typhoon? the typhoon sucks with low skills, but once you get your gunnery skills, missile skills, etc etc trained up, the typhoon can be amazing.
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madaluap
Gallente
Mercenary Forces
Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.08.25 18:43:00 -
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apoc...Just no role for it, at all.
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Ethaet
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.08.25 19:03:00 -
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Apoc. there is just no need for it. I have only ever seen it used for mining.
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Pan Crastus
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Posted - 2007.08.25 19:08:00 -
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Edited by: Pan Crastus on 25/08/2007 19:10:12
- Typhoon is worst (it should actually cost less to produce than a Domi, much less... Nothing fits easily and you need to have huge SP just to be able to claim that you can do anything at all PVP-wise with it. "look ma, I can *use* a Typhoon, I must be a pro") ... the one thing the Typhoon is good at: not being called primary
- Apoc is second worst, but still much better than the phoon (it has a a perfect slot layout, no fitting issues and will deal OK damage and tank great no matter what race turrets you fit)
- Scorpion is good for its intended role and it actually has one (as opposed to Typhoon/Apoc)
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Naughty Boy
Chronics of ordinary hate
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Posted - 2007.08.25 20:38:00 -
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Edited by: Naughty Boy on 25/08/2007 20:38:41
Originally by: Gabriel Karade
4 dual 425 II
4 siege II
ab II
faint warp prohibitor (20k)
web
medium electrochemical injector
large rep II
internal force field array
explosive hardener II
kinetic hardener II
n-type thermic hardener
energized adaptive nano membrane II
1600mm rolled tungsten
This is Elaine's Typhoon, for posterity. 
NB.
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Gypsio III
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.08.25 21:02:00 -
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Quote:
Scorpion probably gets primaried more than any other BS out there in a fleet situation, for that reason alone it has got to be the worst BS. Its a death trap.
Erm... why do you think it gets primaried? Scorpion is probably the best allround BS - formidable and versatile in fleet, gang and even usable solo - if you have an imagination...
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Kindjal
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Posted - 2007.08.25 21:10:00 -
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if you think the apoc sucks you dont have enough skills to fly it, personally ide vote for abbandon as most useless ship. as there is nothing a abbandon can do that the apoc can`t do miles better. |
Liang Nuren
The Refugees
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Posted - 2007.08.25 21:13:00 -
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Originally by: Kindjal
if you think the apoc sucks you dont have enough skills to fly it, personally ide vote for abbandon as most useless ship. as there is nothing a abbandon can do that the apoc can`t do miles better.
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Markus Aurelian
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Posted - 2007.08.25 21:24:00 -
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Originally by: Kindjal
if you think the apoc sucks you dont have enough skills to fly it, personally ide vote for abbandon as most useless ship. as there is nothing a abbandon can do that the apoc can`t do miles better.
DPS
Tank
just not at the same time
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welsh wizard
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.08.25 21:49:00 -
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Edited by: welsh wizard on 25/08/2007 21:50:27
Originally by: NoNah
Apoc
Typhoon is decent, scorpion is great.
In other words you're saying the Scorpion is great because you're Gallente you don't like Caldari. You think someone with the ability to alter these ships will read your post and think "Yeah you know what? The Scorpion is great" despite the fact that its only ever used to its full potential in about 5% of fights and only ever against an incompetent foe.
The Apocalypse is probably the least useful battleship right now but the Scorpion is a close second. It needs 10% per level to ECM strength so it can free up some lows for some kind of tank. It also need its mass reduced.
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Gaius Kador
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.08.25 21:55:00 -
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Navy Apoc personally, its even worse considering the ISK tag.
Typhoon can be formidable, as can the Scorp, referring to comments allready made.
Sadly, our tier 2 BS is the worst in EvE. It was the Domi, in times of yonder...
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madaluap
Gallente
Mercenary Forces
Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.08.25 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: Gamesguy
You guys have no imagination.
Who says you have to fit ecm on scorps? A plated damp scorp works very well. And damp rigs are fairly cheap too.
well, why not use a lachesis if you go for damp? 1 less med, but that countered because you get a dampbonus, very fast and longrange locking + all recons are hard to jam....
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