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smoogie
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2007.08.24 18:26:00 -
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What is the worst battleship in Eve?
The nominees are:
Apocalypse
Scorpion
Typhoon
Apoc -- Horrible damage, horrible fitting problems, slow, mediocre tank
Scorpion -- Nerfed to near uselessness after the ECM nerf.
Typhoon -- Split weapons system/low damage.
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Xequecal
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Posted - 2007.08.24 18:33:00 -
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Typhoon is the worst. Not enough cpu/grid for decent setups, split weapon systems suck, low armor, no tanking bonus.
Apocalypse has decent niche setups like the neut Apoc. It's not worthless. It also does more damage than Typhoon so it's strictly better than it.
Scorpion is not bad. You're on ***** if you think ECM and the Scorpion are bad.
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Liang Nuren
The Refugees
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Posted - 2007.08.24 18:33:00 -
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Hmmm...
Hype: Awesome tank, decent gank
Mega: Awesome gank, decent tank
Domi: Awesome tank, bad gank, and WTFBBQIMBA Nos.
Rokh: AWESOME tank, ok gank, and excellent sniper
Raven: WTFBBQIMBA PVE. Pretty bad in PVE, but ok as an armor tanker
Scorpion: WTF? Its awesome if you fit it right. I've won numerous engagements with a scorpion by my side (because of the scorpion).
Mael: Excellent tank, pretty good gank
Pest: eeeexccllleeent ship.
Phoon: Its the fastest battleship.. and you say it sucks? O_o
Abbadon: Excellent tank and gank. Has cap issues. =(
Apoc: Uh... overwhelmingly my choice for crappy battleship of the year award
Geddon: Pretty darn good gank, uh, pretty poor tank tho.
Just my personal opinions. I start to get hazy around certain Minnie BS and Amarr BS.
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6Bagheera9
Slacker Industries
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.08.24 18:35:00 -
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Typhoon just needs mad skillz in order to shine. It could use its base armor and shield HPs switched though.
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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr
Delictum 23216
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Posted - 2007.08.24 18:39:00 -
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Edited by: Nomakai Delateriel on 24/08/2007 18:44:26
 Originally by: smoogie
Apoc -- Horrible damage, horrible fitting problems, slow, mediocre tank
Scorpion -- Nerfed to near uselessness after the ECM nerf.
Typhoon -- Split weapons system/low damage.
I can understand the Apoc being on the "bad list" (It is pretty bad).
But the scorpions only problem is that people always primary it since it's annoying as hell and has a pretty poor tank when ECM fitted (it can be tanked well, but then you're just a tank and not anything else).
...and the typhoon? The typhoons only problem is that it requires excellent skills in navigation, projectiles, missiles and drones (and a few other areas).
It has the lowest mass and highest base speed of all battleships. It has a relatively large dronebay. It has one of the fastest locking speeds of any battleship. Those facts alone gives it a lot of potential if you're willing to do something other than standing still and slugging it out.
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Posted - 2007.08.24 18:51:00 -
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The Typhoon does less DPS than the friggin Apocalypse and has a far worse tank. 4 ACs and 4 siege launchers eats up pretty much all of its powergrid, so you have to downgrade to 650mm ACs and cruise missiles just to be able to fit anything else.
It needs grid rigs for a gank fit and therefore it can't passive tank with plates and trimarks. Plus its armor HP is ridiculously low to start out with. It can't active tank at all, no grid for reppers + MWD + injector.
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Liang Nuren
The Refugees
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Posted - 2007.08.24 18:56:00 -
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Originally by: Xequecal
The Typhoon does less DPS than the friggin Apocalypse and has a far worse tank. 4 ACs and 4 siege launchers eats up pretty much all of its powergrid, so you have to downgrade to 650mm ACs and cruise missiles just to be able to fit anything else.
It needs grid rigs for a gank fit and therefore it can't passive tank with plates and trimarks. Plus its armor HP is ridiculously low to start out with. It can't active tank at all, no grid for reppers + MWD + injector.
Its true... I noticed it was really hard to fit a decent setup on a phoon because of powergrid. I wouldn't object if they decided to boost the PG on the Phoon and Domi. ^_^
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Neo Providence
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Posted - 2007.08.24 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: Xequecal
Typhoon is the worst. Not enough cpu/grid for decent setups, split weapon systems suck, low armor, no tanking bonus.
Apocalypse has decent niche setups like the neut Apoc. It's not worthless. It also does more damage than Typhoon so it's strictly better than it.
Scorpion is not bad. You're on ***** if you think ECM and the Scorpion are bad.
Its only bad cuz your a noob. this baby is for the pros.
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Xequecal
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Posted - 2007.08.24 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: Neo Providence
Originally by: Xequecal
Typhoon is the worst. Not enough cpu/grid for decent setups, split weapon systems suck, low armor, no tanking bonus.
Apocalypse has decent niche setups like the neut Apoc. It's not worthless. It also does more damage than Typhoon so it's strictly better than it.
Scorpion is not bad. You're on ***** if you think ECM and the Scorpion are bad.
Its only bad cuz your a noob. this baby is for the pros.
I can make stupid baseless comments with no backup too. Next you'll be telling me the Nightmare is amazing if you "got l337 skillz."
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Testosterone Bomb
Red Ballz
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Posted - 2007.08.24 19:30:00 -
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Xequecal
Cool post to put out there.
But about the Typhoon , its not your normal BS, unlike the normal Turret , Missile and Drone BS you will face , this has it all in one. That plus its ability to dictate range is pretty deadly. Also when you figure your DPS you need to include the T2 Drones that a Typhoon will field in Battle plus the fact that its faster then the other ships so it can not only dictate range but it can also create tracking issues for those BS that are Gun Boats.
But like some others said , Typhoon could use some tweeks , I would give it a 10% boost to power grid and change its bonus from 5% to 7.5% for each of the 2 weapon types (Only effects 4 max slots each so its not out off line with other bonuses) if I had my way.
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Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.24 19:50:00 -
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Phoon is imbawin with good skills :)
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Nyxus
GALAXIAN
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.24 19:56:00 -
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Typhoon is a great battleship. You just need to have:
T2 large ac
T2 Torp
T2 Ogre II
AWU 5 (for fitting)
It can do some really substantial damage in a variety of ways, with a variety of damage types, with a decent tank. No, it won't beat gank setups as far as raw dps but it's a very good ship in the hands of a competent pilot.
Scorp would be good if speed>>>>>>range right now.
Apoc just sucks. It's not even a good mining bs anymore lol.
Nyxus
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Xequecal
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Posted - 2007.08.24 19:57:00 -
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You do realize this ship in a full gank fit does about half the damage of the Armageddon, while simultaneously tanking far less damage and having like half the range? The Tempest is also better than it in every conceivable way.
Seriously, the only decent way to fit the Typhoon was 4 guns + 4 NOS or 4 launchers + 4 NOS, and they just nerfed that.
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mlyp
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Posted - 2007.08.24 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: Nyxus
Apoc just sucks.
Much like your posting.
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Testosterone Bomb
Red Ballz
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Posted - 2007.08.24 20:04:00 -
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Hey there Xequecel formally of Adeptus Gattecus / Presdium Libertatis.
Like Nyxus of Razor said above there are other fits that a player can use then the Typhoon NOS variation. Thing is that Typhoon is a pretty decent small gang boat plus if you want you can use it in level 4 mission area.
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Xequecal
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Posted - 2007.08.24 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: Nyxus
Typhoon is a great battleship. You just need to have:
T2 large ac
T2 Torp
T2 Ogre II
AWU 5 (for fitting)
It can do some really substantial damage in a variety of ways, with a variety of damage types, with a decent tank. No, it won't beat gank setups as far as raw dps but it's a very good ship in the hands of a competent pilot.
Scorp would be good if speed>>>>>>range right now.
Apoc just sucks. It's not even a good mining bs anymore lol.
Nyxus
Fitting 4x 800mm II and 4x Siege II on the Typhoon leaves you with 1088 PG left, and consumes over half your CPU. You CAN'T active tank, as you need 2 grid rigs just to get MWD + Injector on there, leaving you no grid for large reppers.
This FORCES you to passive tank with plates as then you can skip the injector However you don't do that well either because of your very low armor HP, rig slots taken up by grid rigs instead of trimarks, and fitting plates removes your speed advantage. Oh, and you can't even do the standard passive fit of 2 plate, 3 damage mod, EANM, DCU because you run out of CPU. You have to drop down to 0 CPU platings or faction platings just to get it to fit with web + scram.
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Rexy
DarkStar 1
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.24 20:09:00 -
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Edited by: Rexy on 24/08/2007 20:14:50
My gripes with the typhoon are
1 dependance on drones
Whith near max skills a dual 425/cruise or 425/siege setup does 350 to 400 dps according to eft(using faction ammo). T2 ogres nearly double that damage output by adding roughly 300-350 dps depending on how good your skills are. However unlike the dominix, these drones are easier to destroy, and we cant carry a backup set. So the best way to half a typhoon's damage output is to get to it's drones fast.
2 It is forced to tank.
While you can stack damage mods, the increase in damage is pretty low, since each damage mod only affects 50% of the high slots. You can stack 2 sets of damage mods 3 times for a nice damage output, but you still have delayed damage due to drones and missile use. A neutron mega gank setup would provide similar if not better damage and be much more surviveable because it can fit additional plates and hardening mods where the second set of 3 damage mods go on a typhoon.
4. It has no grid to tank
Try to fit the lowest tier 425 and cruise, then fit an mwd and heavy cap booster and realize you need a rig upgrade to cram on 2x large reppers. It gets worse with siege's, but i suppose that is the tradeoff for bigger weapons. Dual 650's and 800's are really not an option unless you fit speed rigs wich require little pg.
5 no space to carry ammo
Many times the low damage output has been cited as the reason for minmatar's ability to vary damage output. While this is nice for pve where you can choose damage types before hand this does not work for pvp.
If you want to carry 16 cap mods using a med can you can carry just about enough for a full reload and maybe half a reload of another damage type.As far as drones go you can choose to fit a set of 5 heavy's and 10 smalls, or 10 meds, or forgo heavy's in general. But given that the damage output from ogre's is vital for the overal dps of the ship that isnt really an option.
what to change
1 First and foremost i'd like to see the shield/armor stats switched. It is not a shield tanker, and the stats should reflect that.
2 I'd like a bigger cargo space to allow for carrying different types of ammo. It has a similar cargo space to other types of bs's which only have to carry ammo for one gun type and cap boosters.Therefore increasing the cargo space to 700 or better doesnt seem to be out of line.
3 What limits this ships damage output is grid, a phoon cant fit 800's and siege's with a proper tank, which i suppose is balanced. however i would like to see the grid changed a little to at least allow us to fit the lower tier weapons along side an mwd/cap booster and a dual repper setup without requiring grid mods. This because it's intended role appears to be to tank and go fast, or tank lightly and go even faster.
4 An alternative to upping the grid is upping the damage modifiers since it only has one damage mod on each of it's highslots.Because of it's ****ty grid it is still impossible to make a true monster out of it by fitting a full on gank, a fit i believe is still outperformed by a gank mega or domi setup.(if people work out the numbers plz posts those too, to my recollection a phoon stops just shy of 1k dps in full gank without any plates bar a damage control, where a mega/domi are well above that).
edit: the best i can get out of typhoon is 720 dps with lvl4 skills and faction ammo while tanking 800 or so dps, this with a current rig and 2x pump rigs, and 2x med cap boosters because of grid issue's, so no webber and scram setup with that,thought it was with a 100mn AB instead of mwd too, need to drop to a large/med repper to fit 100mn mwd
edit2: i'm going off the top of my head here, feel free to correct my numbers if they are too far off
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Cyan Nuevo
Dudes In Crazy Killing Ships
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Posted - 2007.08.24 20:17:00 -
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Typhoon, the worst battleship? 
Scorpion? Maybe the worst solo...
Apoc definitely.
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Dreadpilot Roberts
New Balkan Mafia
Circle 0f Two
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Posted - 2007.08.24 20:26:00 -
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now apoc ... yeah it sux. But phoon is the fastest cheap BS ( macha not included :) It can still reach up to 6km/sec and that speed tank is just awesome if u have nice skills and fit, u need many vagas or ceptors to bring it down, or at least 1 huginn with a couple of 90% webs. And scorp is an invaluable addition to any gang man ... just get electronic skills up a lil bit, throw a couple of rigs onto it and it can still perma jam ships most of the time.
P.S. Apoc really does suck badly tho :(
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Cilppiz
Minmatar
FinFleet
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.08.24 20:32:00 -
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Typhoon is fine ship, it just needs bit more (read as: virtually skills to fly Tempest, Domi and Raven) SP's to fly than normal BS.
And I would not call 700dps without damagemods from AC II's, Cruise II's and Orge II alone low, sure it eint Blasterthron but still.
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ForeverKnight
Caldari
World Order
The Imperial Order
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Posted - 2007.08.24 20:33:00 -
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Typhoon is for the pros. If your skills aren't top notch, or you have no imagination in ship fitting, don't fly it. Its that simple.
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Dreadpilot Roberts
New Balkan Mafia
Circle 0f Two
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Posted - 2007.08.24 20:42:00 -
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actually if I recall a phoon pilot mocked us once cuz he was following us and we were in a 40 man blob, the guy had no trouble whatsoever keeping up with us and splitting ceptors apart from the group and popping them with drones. We lost 2 ceptors that night to him ( we didnt have any minnie recons with us boo-hoo  )
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Riho
Magnificent Beavers
Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.08.24 20:44:00 -
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ppl saying raven is bad for pvp make me laugh my ass off :P
i love raven as pvp ravens :)
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ForeverKnight
Caldari
World Order
The Imperial Order
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Posted - 2007.08.24 20:51:00 -
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Raven is great for PVP if you have a couple of smaller ships with you. That being said, any other battleship is even better usually.
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n0thing
omen.
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Posted - 2007.08.24 20:58:00 -
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My vote goes for Apoc, I really havent seen much of those ever in no-sec.
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smoogie
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2007.08.24 21:11:00 -
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Votes so far:
Apoc - 5
Typhoon - 2
Scorpion - 1
(I vote Scorpion - laughable dps, slow, inferior jammer power than a Rook, and lost a lot of potential with the ECM nerf)
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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr
Delictum 23216
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Posted - 2007.08.24 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: n0thing
My vote goes for Apoc, I really havent seen much of those ever in no-sec.
It used to be a decent platform for a Tachyon sniper (with better grid and more mids than the Armageddon), but it seems that the Abaddon (improved grid, damage, armor and sensor range) replaced it in that role.
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Posted - 2007.08.24 21:23:00 -
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Has to be the Apoc.
Scorpion would be great if it weren't paper thin and had such low sig res... But in the right conditions it can be devastating. Typhoon is an amazing ship, though I agree about its grid being a major pain. Raven, damage is so so but damp setups are fun and effective.
Apoc, it can uh... tank? So can the Don while doing much more.
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ForeverKnight
Caldari
World Order
The Imperial Order
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Posted - 2007.08.24 21:24:00 -
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Edited by: ForeverKnight on 24/08/2007 21:24:20
If you think the Scorpion sucks you have no imagination. One of the best uses I've seen for it is to put an _insane_ shield tank on it, and plate the lowslots. If you're in a gang of 10 people, you will always be called primary and then it'll take them 5 minutes to kill you while the rest of the gang pwns. Also with good-perfect skills the ECM "nerf" becomes an ECM buff for dedicated ECM ships.
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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr
Delictum 23216
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Posted - 2007.08.24 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: ForeverKnight
If you think the Scorpion sucks you have no imagination. One of the best uses I've seen for it is to put an _insane_ shield tank on it, and plate the lowslots. If you're in a gang of 10 people, you will always be called primary and then it'll take them 5 minutes to kill you while the rest of the gang pwns. Also with good-perfect skills the ECM "nerf" becomes an ECM buff for dedicated ECM ships.
SShh! You're giving them ideas to compensate for a lack of imagination 
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The Ankou
The Reckoning.
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Posted - 2007.08.24 21:33:00 -
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Edited by: Nocturnal Avenger on 24/08/2007 21:35:25
Apoc for worst pvp BS
1: I actually came to that conclusion before reading the other posts
2: it's so ugly, you have to avert your eyes from the screen - and that leads to bad pvp :P
Edit: ForeverKnight [post 29] just revealed at least one out-of-the-box idea for the scorpion a corp member of mine has used 
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ForeverKnight
Caldari
World Order
The Imperial Order
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Posted - 2007.08.24 21:42:00 -
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Right now the worst battleship is the Apocalypse. With the prevalence of Cap Boosters and Nos, there is no place for a battleship which can perma-run a double (or triple with rigs) armor repper tank. Also, in a time long ago and far away, it was the only battleship with 8 turret slots for mining.
The problem isn't that its a bad ship, its that it has no role in present day EVE.
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eVeKiSs
United Alliance
Coalition Of Empires
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Posted - 2007.08.24 22:01:00 -
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Yup I have to say Apocalypse sucks in PVP now, I tried to find a good fitting for it to take it for a pvp run instead of taking my Abaddon or Armageddon but I cant since I cant find anything to do with it, Abaddon better tank and Geddon better damage, Apoc better in what?
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Alexander Knott
Ars ex Discordia
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.24 22:03:00 -
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Edited by: Alexander Knott on 24/08/2007 22:03:28
Originally by: ForeverKnight
Edited by: ForeverKnight on 24/08/2007 21:24:20
If you think the Scorpion sucks you have no imagination. One of the best uses I've seen for it is to put an _insane_ shield tank on it, and plate the lowslots. If you're in a gang of 10 people, you will always be called primary and then it'll take them 5 minutes to kill you while the rest of the gang pwns. Also with good-perfect skills the ECM "nerf" becomes an ECM buff for dedicated ECM ships.
That only works if the opposing FC is a moron. Most FCs will see that the ship is tanked and switch primaries. Might buy you some time, but you give up a ship to pull it off. A lot of FCs don't even primary Scorps anymore due to the possibility of this tactic and the downside of a jammer Scorp not being that big a deal in larger fights.
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Gallente
Cheers Restaurant and Bar
Coalition Of Empires
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Posted - 2007.08.24 22:25:00 -
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Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 24/08/2007 22:27:08
Originally by: 6Bagheera9
Typhoon just needs mad skillz in order to shine. It could use its base armor and shield HPs switched though.
Isn't the Typhoon a Boundless Creations ship?
Quote:
Boundless Creation's ships are based on the Brutor tribe's philosophy of warfare: simply fit as much firepower onto your ship as possible. Defense systems and electronics arrays therefore take a back seat to sheer annihilative potential.
That would imply the lows are really for damage and speed mods, the mids are intended for a modest HP buffer passive tank, a MWD and a scram - maybe. You wouldn't want the HP swapped if you fly it like that.
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NoNah
Unseen University
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Posted - 2007.08.24 22:49:00 -
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Apoc
Typhoon is decent, scorpion is great.
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infraX
Caldari
Endgame.
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.08.24 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Hmmm...
Hype: Awesome tank, decent gank
Mega: Awesome gank, decent tank
Domi: Awesome tank, bad gank, and WTFBBQIMBA Nos.
Rokh: AWESOME tank, ok gank, and excellent sniper
Raven: WTFBBQIMBA PVE. Pretty bad in PVE, but ok as an armor tanker
Scorpion: WTF? Its awesome if you fit it right. I've won numerous engagements with a scorpion by my side (because of the scorpion).
Mael: Excellent tank, pretty good gank
Pest: eeeexccllleeent ship.
Phoon: Its the fastest battleship.. and you say it sucks? O_o
Abbadon: Excellent tank and gank. Has cap issues. =(
Apoc: Uh... overwhelmingly my choice for crappy battleship of the year award
Geddon: Pretty darn good gank, uh, pretty poor tank tho.
Just my personal opinions. I start to get hazy around certain Minnie BS and Amarr BS.
Liang
Dominix? Bad gank?
The Dominix can gank better than the megathron, obviously forsaking the rest of the setup, but you did say gank.
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Liang Nuren
The Refugees
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Posted - 2007.08.24 23:04:00 -
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Originally by: infraX
Dominix? Bad gank?
The Dominix can gank better than the megathron, obviously forsaking the rest of the setup, but you did say gank.
Hmm, its true. I was assuming something of a "balanced" setup.
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ForeverKnight
Caldari
World Order
The Imperial Order
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Posted - 2007.08.24 23:35:00 -
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Originally by: Alexander Knott
Edited by: Alexander Knott on 24/08/2007 22:03:28
Originally by: ForeverKnight
Edited by: ForeverKnight on 24/08/2007 21:24:20
If you think the Scorpion sucks you have no imagination. One of the best uses I've seen for it is to put an _insane_ shield tank on it, and plate the lowslots. If you're in a gang of 10 people, you will always be called primary and then it'll take them 5 minutes to kill you while the rest of the gang pwns. Also with good-perfect skills the ECM "nerf" becomes an ECM buff for dedicated ECM ships.
That only works if the opposing FC is a moron. Most FCs will see that the ship is tanked and switch primaries. Might buy you some time, but you give up a ship to pull it off. A lot of FCs don't even primary Scorps anymore due to the possibility of this tactic and the downside of a jammer Scorp not being that big a deal in larger fights.
Exactly the reason I'm posting this tactic. Someone thought out of the box, and others copied. The point being, 8 midslots is a _lot_ of midslots for out-of-the-box thinking. So the Scorpion can't possibly be a bad ship for its role.
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Altarn Ramos
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Posted - 2007.08.25 00:01:00 -
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Out_of_the Box is right... Thats what the Apoc Needs. This idea came to me as noob without large turret Skills a long time ago... The Bonus of the Apoc is cap related, and although it cant match up with a Real logistic Ship... It can be better tanked than one... Set yourself up with some Cap rechargers and maybe an overdrive or 2, Fill the highs with whatever type of logistic you want... and use it as a in combat rally for smaller ships... Keep in mind im 100% newbish and do crazy stupid things with expensive ships, but hey... thats what free will is about... But i have saved many friends with that floating Capacitor Battery everyone calls the Worst BS in the game.... How many other BS have a cap based Bonus? Hows that for out of the box?? (Let um rip... I already know im a newb so lets hear it) Feedback will be appreciated
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Robberts
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.08.25 00:21:00 -
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Originally by: 6Bagheera9
Typhoon just needs mad skillz in order to shine. It could use its base armor and shield HPs switched though.
Mad Skillz? hardly. the Typhoon is amazing with around 6-8+ million, not too bad in the 4-6mill range, and usable (though probably not really worth it) at 3mill. It can PvP with the best of them, and split weapons systems can be quite effective while ratting. its usable drone bay also gives it a bit more Umph that it might otherwise have. 5xOgre IIs make short work of ... well, just about anything, and the ship can mount 4x noss, 4x cruise launchers and sustain a dual LAR tank indefinitely.
The Scorpion has 8 mid slots. EIGHT. Theres a reason they get primary a lot. Nuff said.
Apoc wins.
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ReePeR McAllem
The Carebear Stare
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Posted - 2007.08.25 00:25:00 -
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The 4 seige 4 heavy nos, dual rep phoon is a nasty peice of work, that is until the new nos nerf comes out.
The op was slightly wrong on this one. Ofc the phoon is a lower rated bs without skills. But skills should always be factored into the equasion.
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Mzilikazi
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Posted - 2007.08.25 01:54:00 -
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Scorpion's sole remaining uses are:
a) Stand-off jamming in fleets (very hazardous occupation)
b) Jamming in a camp situation at any range (a Falcon or Rook would be more fun and do the same job)
Scorpion probably gets primaried more than any other BS out there in a fleet situation, for that reason alone it has got to be the worst BS. Its a death trap.
Yeah, I know that if you fit it right it can be very useful, but it does rubbish damage for a "Battleship" and it also cant tank properly - at least not without gimping that primary ECM role. Also you can't solo in it , nor would you want to rat in it when a raven will do that job so much better. That leaves camping and fleets. Ok I'll concede that it can be fun to camp in. Once upon a time before the ECM nerf it was good at its job, now it is no more than adequate - its ECM value can be better provided by a Rook or Falcon which in my opinion would be more fun. Also at considerable risk it can provide very useful stand-off jamming support for camping or sniper fleet situations especially where you have higher numbers and range on your side.
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AnKahn
Caldari
Dark Star LTD
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Posted - 2007.08.25 02:14:00 -
[44]
Scorpion is fun to rat in. Which says more about ratting than it says about the Scorp. With a Raven the head hits the keyboard too much.
8 mids is real fun to play with. You do get primaried a lot, probabaly an old reflex. But DPS sponge works, but really only with dim FCs. Hopefully they don't read the forums.
Don't know any other race well enough yet to have an opinion about the others.
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smoogie
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2007.08.25 17:17:00 -
[45]
Tally now
Apoc - 11
Typhoon - 2
Scorpion - 2
Looks like the Apoc is "winning".
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Vengarioth Skullshanks
Minmatar
Victims of Confusion
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.08.25 17:41:00 -
[46]
Yeah Apoc has not much going on for it tbh. So i would say Apoc is the worst of all BS. There's some specialized setups that work but all in all it's lacking.
Phoon is really cool once you have mastered the ship. Of course if you don't have the skills it's a little bit anemic.
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Gabriel Karade
Nulli-Secundus
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Posted - 2007.08.25 18:08:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Xequecal
The Typhoon does less DPS than the friggin Apocalypse and has a far worse tank. 4 ACs and 4 siege launchers eats up pretty much all of its powergrid, so you have to downgrade to 650mm ACs and cruise missiles just to be able to fit anything else.
It needs grid rigs for a gank fit and therefore it can't passive tank with plates and trimarks. Plus its armor HP is ridiculously low to start out with. It can't active tank at all, no grid for reppers + MWD + injector.
4 dual 425 II
4 siege II
ab II
faint warp prohibitor (20k)
web
medium electrochemical injector
large rep II
internal force field array
explosive hardener II
kinetic hardener II
n-type thermic hardener
energized adaptive nano membrane II
1600mm rolled tungsten
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Shevar
Minmatar
A.W.M
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.08.25 18:14:00 -
[48]
Apoc hands down, in the days of old (back when I quited in 2004) the apoc had the following things going for it:
-Huge cap, not an issue anymore with CCC rigs being the only non stacking nerfed to death rigs.
-8 Turret slots so it could mine good, specialized mining vessels have been released since then as well as the introduction of the rokh and the abbadon.
So basically you end up with a very redundant ship.
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Ay'Not Sivad
Minmatar
D-L
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Posted - 2007.08.25 18:37:00 -
[49]
are you kidding me about the typhoon? the typhoon sucks with low skills, but once you get your gunnery skills, missile skills, etc etc trained up, the typhoon can be amazing.
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madaluap
Gallente
Mercenary Forces
Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.08.25 18:43:00 -
[50]
apoc...Just no role for it, at all.
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Ethaet
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.08.25 19:03:00 -
[51]
Apoc. there is just no need for it. I have only ever seen it used for mining.
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Posted - 2007.08.25 19:08:00 -
[52]
Edited by: Pan Crastus on 25/08/2007 19:10:12
- Typhoon is worst (it should actually cost less to produce than a Domi, much less... Nothing fits easily and you need to have huge SP just to be able to claim that you can do anything at all PVP-wise with it. "look ma, I can *use* a Typhoon, I must be a pro") ... the one thing the Typhoon is good at: not being called primary
- Apoc is second worst, but still much better than the phoon (it has a a perfect slot layout, no fitting issues and will deal OK damage and tank great no matter what race turrets you fit)
- Scorpion is good for its intended role and it actually has one (as opposed to Typhoon/Apoc)
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Naughty Boy
Chronics of ordinary hate
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Posted - 2007.08.25 20:38:00 -
[53]
Edited by: Naughty Boy on 25/08/2007 20:38:41
Originally by: Gabriel Karade
4 dual 425 II
4 siege II
ab II
faint warp prohibitor (20k)
web
medium electrochemical injector
large rep II
internal force field array
explosive hardener II
kinetic hardener II
n-type thermic hardener
energized adaptive nano membrane II
1600mm rolled tungsten
This is Elaine's Typhoon, for posterity. 
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Gypsio III
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.08.25 21:02:00 -
[54]
Quote:
Scorpion probably gets primaried more than any other BS out there in a fleet situation, for that reason alone it has got to be the worst BS. Its a death trap.
Erm... why do you think it gets primaried? Scorpion is probably the best allround BS - formidable and versatile in fleet, gang and even usable solo - if you have an imagination...
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Kindjal
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Posted - 2007.08.25 21:10:00 -
[55]
if you think the apoc sucks you dont have enough skills to fly it, personally ide vote for abbandon as most useless ship. as there is nothing a abbandon can do that the apoc can`t do miles better. |
Liang Nuren
The Refugees
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Posted - 2007.08.25 21:13:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Kindjal
if you think the apoc sucks you dont have enough skills to fly it, personally ide vote for abbandon as most useless ship. as there is nothing a abbandon can do that the apoc can`t do miles better.
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Markus Aurelian
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Posted - 2007.08.25 21:24:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Kindjal
if you think the apoc sucks you dont have enough skills to fly it, personally ide vote for abbandon as most useless ship. as there is nothing a abbandon can do that the apoc can`t do miles better.
DPS
Tank
just not at the same time
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welsh wizard
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.08.25 21:49:00 -
[58]
Edited by: welsh wizard on 25/08/2007 21:50:27
Originally by: NoNah
Apoc
Typhoon is decent, scorpion is great.
In other words you're saying the Scorpion is great because you're Gallente you don't like Caldari. You think someone with the ability to alter these ships will read your post and think "Yeah you know what? The Scorpion is great" despite the fact that its only ever used to its full potential in about 5% of fights and only ever against an incompetent foe.
The Apocalypse is probably the least useful battleship right now but the Scorpion is a close second. It needs 10% per level to ECM strength so it can free up some lows for some kind of tank. It also need its mass reduced.
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Gaius Kador
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.08.25 21:55:00 -
[59]
Navy Apoc personally, its even worse considering the ISK tag.
Typhoon can be formidable, as can the Scorp, referring to comments allready made.
Sadly, our tier 2 BS is the worst in EvE. It was the Domi, in times of yonder...
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madaluap
Gallente
Mercenary Forces
Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.08.25 22:07:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Gamesguy
You guys have no imagination.
Who says you have to fit ecm on scorps? A plated damp scorp works very well. And damp rigs are fairly cheap too.
well, why not use a lachesis if you go for damp? 1 less med, but that countered because you get a dampbonus, very fast and longrange locking + all recons are hard to jam....
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Gamesguy
Amarr
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.08.25 22:10:00 -
[61]
Lachesis has the tank of a wet noodle, you could possibly be popped by one volley from a artypest.
At least with plates and BS lvl hp a scorp can take a few hits, enough to warp out perhaps.
And not everyone can fly gallente recon...
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Gyfrex
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.08.25 22:41:00 -
[62]
Edited by: Gyfrex on 25/08/2007 22:41:05
Apoc... no question about it.
The phoon is my favorite BS by a long shot, ability to dictate range against other BS, its sheer versatility, its potential DPS and the fact that its price tag to me ain't all that bad to be fair (sure all the other Tier 1 BS are cheaper, they can't do as much as the phoon can though). It's fittings can be a bit annoying at times but with AWU VI/V those problems become minimal and with the odd rig here and there they cease to exist.
As for the scorp, the very sight of one still makes me shudder. A plated jammer scorp in a small gang engagement can be the deciding factor. Sure maybe it isn't as "good" as the rook but the fact that it'll last a hell of a lot longer under fire to me means that its better for the minimal loss of jamming potential.
So to conclude...its definitely the Apoc as the worst Battleship in game
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kessah
Blood Corsair's
The Red Skull
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Posted - 2007.08.25 22:53:00 -
[63]
Ive spent along time trying to use the Apoc, justify its use over an abaddon or geddon there is only one setup i would use the Apoc for over any other ship.
Ultimately the worst battleship is the Apoc though.
Geddon isnt a whole lot better either - really needs its grid and cpu increased alot!
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Beastofburden
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Posted - 2007.08.25 23:04:00 -
[64]
The Apoc is a nice ship if you fit it with Remote Armor/Shield/Hull Reppers or Energy Transfers and lots, lots
of cap recharge gear (iirc the best possible recharge time was 26-27s).
For other uses than POS/Station repair it¦s not really a choice.
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Guardians of the Dawn
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.26 00:16:00 -
[65]
Phoon is far from bad. Jsut fit 1 PG rig and have good skilsl. You can easily fit 4 AC 4 Cruise a 7 slot tank that has all ship cap for it, and lots of drones.
The low signature is VERY usefull for example when you fight a Raven etc...
It will always decide the range of engagement against any other BS.
For example its the BS that will defeat a megathron easiest. Very easy for a phoon to keep 20 km range.
APOC simply sux because has no damage bonus, and don 't have enough PG to use Tachyons easily (to compensate the lack of damage bonus)
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Audri Fisher
Caldari
VentureCorp
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.08.26 02:24:00 -
[66]
Scorpion easily. Ever since the Blackbirds bonus got changed, there is no reason to use a scorp. The Blackbird can jam just as effectively, is easier to train to level 5, and is much more agile and faster, enabling it to keep from dying 5 seconds into the fight.
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welsh wizard
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.08.26 02:27:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Audri Fisher
Scorpion easily. Ever since the Blackbirds bonus got changed, there is no reason to use a scorp. The Blackbird can jam just as effectively, is easier to train to level 5, and is much more agile and faster, enabling it to keep from dying 5 seconds into the fight.
Exactly.
The 2 extra midslots don't mean much when you have the slowest lock time in the game either (bar haulers & capitals).
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smoogie
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2007.08.26 02:44:00 -
[68]
Edited by: smoogie on 26/08/2007 02:44:20
Latest tally
Apoc - 18
Typhoon - 3
Scorpion - 4
Apoc winning overwhelmingly, but Scorpion has overtaken Typhoon.
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ChickenOfDoom
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Posted - 2007.08.26 03:13:00 -
[69]
I have to disagree about the 'Phoon. To be honest I've never used it in a pvp capacity myself, but my old corp ambushed one outside of a station (so no range dictating for him) and we almost lost. There were like 5 of us. Our main BSs tank came close to breaking, mostly because of the drones. The fight lasted at least two, three minutes and this guys ability to tank was what made me decide to get one of those ships, though tbh it did suck for missions.
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JonnyWarhawk
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.08.26 04:09:00 -
[70]
I see a lot of typhoons on killboards... not sure what that says but I'm sure it says something. ;D
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Cyan Nuevo
Dudes In Crazy Killing Ships
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Posted - 2007.08.26 04:22:00 -
[71]
For everyone that says that Scorpions are the worst because they are always primaried... think about it.
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burek
Magnificent Beavers
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Posted - 2007.08.26 05:06:00 -
[72]
Typhoon is a pretty good solo ship. It has one great thing going for it, most people will not run away but aggro back coz of the popular opinion that it's crap.
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General Apocalypse
Amarr
The Merchant Marines
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Posted - 2007.08.26 09:48:00 -
[73]
The Apocalypse dosen't excel at Gank or Tank but in the hands of a good pilot it's devastating weapon 
Personaly i can't fing a BS that is bad , I think all BS created legendary videos .
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Karyuudo Tydraad
Caldari
Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services
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Posted - 2007.08.26 10:30:00 -
[74]
Apocalypse. No doubt in my mind. A capacitor bonus just isn't useful in the vast majority PVP situations.
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Ash Bringer
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Posted - 2007.08.26 10:48:00 -
[75]
Scorp is the worst. As plating a ship and tanking it and waiting to be primary to tank the blob can't be the main reason for a good BS.
And ECM sucks. Try fitting Multis and u wont jam a BS. Racials? And u can jam 1 BS or 2 BS for 2-3 cycles at most but then u got primaried right :) . And by jamming a BS for 1 cycle, u wont kill it won't tip the ballance in a fleet war. On any damage dealer u will help better to your cause.
And ECM sucks too bad, it may skip the killmail (AND THIS HURTS A KILLMAIL HOOKIE, mkay )
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Guardians of the Dawn
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.26 11:03:00 -
[76]
Originally by: JonnyWarhawk
I see a lot of typhoons on killboards... not sure what that says but I'm sure it says something. ;D
say that a lot of people use it!
There is no ship that appear more in killboards than stilletos and sabres, do anyone think theya re bad because of that?
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Hayward Cyprus
Caldari
Exiled.
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Posted - 2007.08.26 11:21:00 -
[77]
Scorpion is hands down the worst, because it does next to no damage (any decent cruiser does more). Using ECM mean you have no tank and die in no time, using damps on it is plain stupid, because then you could just use a raven with 6 damps + do some decent damage + have a better armor tank (only difference is the cost of the BS).
Next to that comes Apoc (which can only do some strange setups to be useful, there isn't even a point in puting lasers on, which actually gives some interesting possibilities).
And on a side note to all the people complaining about fitting issues, go and try to fit out any tier 1 or 2 BS in the game and see that you can't just slap on biggest guns, biggest tank and biggest speed mmkay? Works on NO Battleship (tier 1 and 2 mind you). Scorp being an exception, but it's pittiful in any fitting other than ECM.
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Constantine Arcanum
PURE Legion
Pure.
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Posted - 2007.08.26 11:26:00 -
[78]
apocalypse is downright diabolical.
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Lisento Slaven
Amarr
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.08.26 12:56:00 -
[79]
It's been a really long time since I've flown an apoc (like...a year and a half?). Back then there was no Abaddon and the Apoc was better for sniping. Now I see no reason to snipe in the Apoc.
Give the apoc a bonus to smartbomb cap use and I'll put good use to that ship on gates in a low-sec system near you =P
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d'hofren
Applied Eugenics
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.08.26 13:04:00 -
[80]
Originally by: burek
Typhoon is a pretty good solo ship. It has one great thing going for it, most people will not run away but aggro back coz of the popular opinion that it's crap.
It's a skills thing, new BS pilots buy it because it is cheap. In reality to get decent performance from a phoon you need, TII AC's, TII hvy Drones, TII torps or cruise, (maybe you could cope without), + your nav skills, AWU V, rig skills to get the grid and armor tank skills. Probably close to 20mil dedicated sp's really.
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Guardians of the Dawn
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.26 17:36:00 -
[81]
Originally by: d'hofren
Originally by: burek
Typhoon is a pretty good solo ship. It has one great thing going for it, most people will not run away but aggro back coz of the popular opinion that it's crap.
It's a skills thing, new BS pilots buy it because it is cheap. In reality to get decent performance from a phoon you need, TII AC's, TII hvy Drones, TII torps or cruise, (maybe you could cope without), + your nav skills, AWU V, rig skills to get the grid and armor tank skills. Probably close to 20mil dedicated sp's really.
that si why atackign a phoon is a bet, can go very well or horrribly wrong.
Other BS don 't change much from 10 M sp to 20 M sp chars liek maesltroms, Rokh Apocalipse etc...
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Cudeiro
Amarr
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2007.08.26 18:18:00 -
[82]
The CrapocalypseÖ hands down!
It's great being Amarr, aint it?
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aquontium
Gallente
Fourth Circle
Total Comfort
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Posted - 2007.08.26 20:13:00 -
[83]
Quote:
^ courtesy of an old mate long since lost to WoW and the dreaded 'girlfriend' module (Tech2 I think)
It works a treat, and now you can rig it up for xXx lub
So he's definitely progressed past 'best named'?
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Hazimaller
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Posted - 2007.08.26 20:34:00 -
[84]
even mentioning the typhoon in a thread like this demonstrates nothing but ignorance.
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Harrana
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.08.26 21:00:00 -
[85]
Typhoon = Uber DPS loving
Scorp = Uber jamming/tanking
Apoc = ....nossing tank boat? waste of minerals?
Apoc Sucks
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Veryez
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Posted - 2007.08.27 00:59:00 -
[86]
Sadly I find the Scorpion to be the worst BS (sadly, because it is my favorite ship model).
Uber tank - no, shield tanks aren't that great. I've found the max domi tank to be much better.
ECM Beast - hardly, the rook beats it hands down and it is completely negated by 1 ECCM module.
Damp Setup - That's what Gallente recons are for.
It's a second rate ship. Sure there are some tricked up setups that can work, but I wouldn't recommend trying them more than a few times against the same enemies.
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Talthrus
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.08.27 07:55:00 -
[87]
Edited by: Talthrus on 27/08/2007 07:56:49
Apoc is currently the grand mobile of all things useless. Mine has been forever banished to salvage and scoop loot left behind by my geddon.
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Wideen
Resurrection
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.08.27 07:55:00 -
[88]
Dunno what people have against the phoon but that is my favorite BS hands down!
I know CCP clain minmatar to be "versatile" which usually isn't the case at all but the phoon is the epitome of versatility. It has guns, missiles and drones - and a godly tank, at least I think so of course depending how you tank it out but nuff to say I utilize all the 7 lows for the tank.
It can easily kill eveything between frigs and BS, and it can do them all pretty fast. And I'd have to agree with the general notion that is takes lots of skills to fly it properly. Not to say that I am that person, but with good skills you'll get good DPS out of it. Best thing is it's tier 1 so it's cheap too.
Originally by: P'uck
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Trefnis
Minmatar
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.08.27 10:18:00 -
[89]
I honestly dont know what you ppl see in phoon.
Im fly only matari ship, just for the phoon i trained
2t sieges, then t2 cruises and i still can do everything
better in pest.
If i need tank/gank i take mael,
for diversity i take pest
why would i take phoon for ?
pest have more grid, get better dmg with dmg mods and have
more mids for ewar.
As for speed, pest is fast enough (not talking about crazy nano setups).
the only thing that i found phoon to be good at was full
passive tank with plate and trimarks and not a single cap using mod (bar mids for tackle) to kill those nosdomis :)
but as i see i have to be doing something wrong then
i think ill try again, (710 with barrage and normal torps
is not that bad for no dmg mod fit)
as for worst bs i cant tell dont fly scorp nor apoc
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Dristra
Amarr
Shadows of the Dead
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.27 12:35:00 -
[90]
A native laser reduction bonus, and switching the cap reduction on lasers "bonus" for a real bonus would make the apoc happy.
It's great being Amarr isn't it.
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Pirokobo
Caldari
Orion Academy
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Posted - 2007.08.27 12:54:00 -
[91]
Edited by: Pirokobo on 27/08/2007 12:54:18
Apoc, though I'm not happy about it.
As has been pointed out repeatedly, cap bonuses don't work in pvp unless your goal is to walk around holding a sign saying "NOS me".
The Apoc needs to be reworked as a logistics BS. Change the bonuses to favor support work.
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smoogie
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2007.08.28 02:59:00 -
[92]
Edited by: smoogie on 28/08/2007 02:59:22
Latest tally
Apoc - 24
Typhoon - 3
Scorpion - 8
Apoc clear winner, scorpion overtakes phoon as second worst.
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Liang Nuren
The Refugees
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Posted - 2007.08.28 03:16:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Pirokobo
Edited by: Pirokobo on 27/08/2007 12:54:18
Apoc, though I'm not happy about it.
As has been pointed out repeatedly, cap bonuses don't work in pvp unless your goal is to walk around holding a sign saying "NOS me".
The Apoc needs to be reworked as a logistics BS. Change the bonuses to favor support work.
That would actually be really cool... Caldari gets an EW BS, Amarr gets a logistics BS. Pity that everyone would still whine about having a useless battleship. =(
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Yarr? |
Lithalnas
Amarr
Hadean Drive Yards
Archaean Cooperative
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Posted - 2007.08.28 03:23:00 -
[94]
apoc is an excellent ship for mining 0.0 and tanking NPCs, and its good for repping those station component things.
Wait an Apoc can shoot at things?
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Admus
Mobius Construct
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.08.28 03:31:00 -
[95]
It's hard for me to say as I've not flown the Apoc, though I've heard many complaints about it. However I think the Typhoon is quite good considering its speed and versatility, as well as respectable DPS potential when well-skilled.
Concerning the Scorpion:
Many people argue that the reason it is good right now is because it is always called primary - obviously most consider it a threat. However, I'd like to counter this by saying that while it is somewhat threatening in a gang, it is also paper-thin, with almost no tank at all when used to its full ECM capacity.
When fleet commanders make calls for attack, they not only consider the danger of the individual ships, but also what it will take to eliminate it. If the Scorpion could have even a simple tank without seriously hindering its ECM strength, perhaps FCs would decide not to kill it since the time cost of breaking its tank would outweigh the effects of its ECM. But since it's so easy to pop currently, it is immediately called primary for a quick kill and removal of the ECM threat. Although, I imagine there is also some pre-ecm-nerf habits lingering in some FCs.
I hope I've made that somewhat clear. As for the worst, I would probably say the Apoc. I know, I know, I have no experience flying it, but it seems like any job it does could be done better by either of the other two Amarr BS, whereas the Typhoon is a useful ship in many ways, and the Scorp, while difficult to use effectively, does have a very clearly-defined role.
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Rexy
DarkStar 1
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.28 09:14:00 -
[96]
Originally by: smoogie
Edited by: smoogie on 28/08/2007 02:59:22
Latest tally
Apoc - 24
Typhoon - 3
Scorpion - 8
Apoc clear winner, scorpion overtakes phoon as second worst.
Amarrians are clearly the biggest whiners, with caldari second and minmatar third.
I'd compare on reasons instead of postcount tbh,remember that there are many more amarr/caldari pilots and ships then minmatar ones.
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Cookie
Snakeoil Industries Ltd.
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Posted - 2007.08.28 09:39:00 -
[97]
Originally by: smoogie
Edited by: smoogie on 28/08/2007 02:59:22
Latest tally
Apoc - 24
Typhoon - 3
Scorpion - 8
Apoc clear winner, scorpion overtakes phoon as second worst.
Well, when i read this, we know all what will happen....
NERF GALLENTE !!1!1!!one
;p
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ClogMan
Caldari
Unknown-Heroes
KA0S Theory
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Posted - 2007.08.28 10:53:00 -
[98]
For those who think the phoon sucks, try look at the "Matari.mkv" video by Gauss Belloid.
It shows some examples on how it can be used.
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Pan Crastus
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.08.28 11:12:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Rexy
Originally by: smoogie
Edited by: smoogie on 28/08/2007 02:59:22
Latest tally
Apoc - 24
Typhoon - 3
Scorpion - 8
Apoc clear winner, scorpion overtakes phoon as second worst.
Amarrians are clearly the biggest whiners, with caldari second and minmatar third.
QFT ... Noone bothers with whining about useless Minmatar ships anymore. Fortunately we still have 2-3 good ships (Vagabond, Huginn/Rapier) ... And the best T1 frigate. ;-P
EVE Online: a cold, cruel world where (RL-)rich people replace their losses with GTCs sold to poor students who need to farm ISK to afford their play time ...
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lyrenna
Caldari
The Renaissance
The Makhai
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Posted - 2007.08.28 11:34:00 -
[100]
no phoon isnt the worst, its just to much sp intensive.
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Lishan Kamatar
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Posted - 2007.08.28 11:43:00 -
[101]
Originally by: smoogie
Edited by: smoogie on 28/08/2007 02:59:22
Latest tally
Apoc - 24
Typhoon - 3
Scorpion - 8
Apoc clear winner, scorpion overtakes phoon as second worst.
i think you shoul add the votes saying the phoon isnt crappy :)
also imo worst 3 are..
apoc - general crap
abddon - cap use probs
rohk - no real damage for a sniper but v nice tank
best bs imo is the phoon cheep sooo versitile great dammage / tank / cap hindering potential :)
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General Apocalypse
Amarr
The Merchant Marines
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Posted - 2007.08.28 12:57:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Pan Crastus
Originally by: Rexy
Originally by: smoogie
Edited by: smoogie on 28/08/2007 02:59:22
Latest tally
Apoc - 24
Typhoon - 3
Scorpion - 8
Apoc clear winner, scorpion overtakes phoon as second worst.
Amarrians are clearly the biggest whiners, with caldari second and minmatar third.
QFT ... Noone bothers with whining about useless Minmatar ships anymore. Fortunately we still have 2-3 good ships (Vagabond, Huginn/Rapier) ... And the best T1 frigate. ;-P
Don't forget about the Sabre , Stiletto , Jaguar , Slepnir , Tempest and Maelstrom
Originally by: Jita Alt
DOH, you're right, i'm an idiot >_<
Originally by: CCP Morpheus
nerf ccp plz
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